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« on: June 13, 2012, 01:33:03 pm »
I've refrained from starting a thread on this, but can no longer stop myself.  Germany vs. Holland is about to start.  Take the most heated sports rivalry you can think of, and then multiply it by centuries of actual war, occupation and death.

Fitting then, that this is Group B: the Group of Death (as opposed to Group A, known as the Group of Dearth).  Comically, if Holland win 1-0, all 4 teams will have 3 points and a goal difference of 0.  But that's irrelevant for now, because these two team hate each other with a passion that cannot be put into words.

Holland are fighting to stay in the tournament in this game.  Watch this one if you can, folks (ESPN 1), or follow the always pithy Guardian minute-by-minute report to read of the shenanigans.
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« Reply #1 on: June 13, 2012, 01:36:13 pm »
I've refrained from starting a thread on this, but can no longer stop myself.  Germany vs. Holland is about to start.  Take the most heated sports rivalry you can think of, and then multiply it by centuries of actual war, occupation and death.

Fitting then, that this is Group B: the Group of Death (as opposed to Group A, known as the Group of Dearth).  Comically, if Holland win 1-0, all 4 teams will have 3 points and a goal difference of 0.  But that's irrelevant for now, because these two team hate each other with a passion that cannot be put into words.

Holland are fighting to stay in the tournament in this game.  Watch this one if you can, folks (ESPN 1), or follow the always pithy Guardian minute-by-minute report to read of the shenanigans.

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« Reply #2 on: June 13, 2012, 01:49:47 pm »
Please don't refrain. Plenty of people on the board are following it.
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« Reply #3 on: June 13, 2012, 02:02:42 pm »
Please don't refrain. Plenty of people on the board are following it.

Second, except for it makes it exceedingly challenging not to pack up for the day and head to the nearest pub.

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« Reply #4 on: June 13, 2012, 02:47:57 pm »
Watched the 1st half.  Holland as dismal at finishing as they were against Denmark.  They've also added abysmal defending to their resume, and trail 2-0 to two of the neatest, simplest, yet well taken goals you could ask to see.  Muller to Sweinsteiger to Gomez* x 2.

* Yes, apparently he's German.


Holland aren't mathematically done, but they look done just watching them.  If this result holds, Germany and Denmark can play to a bore-draw in the last group game and both go through.
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« Reply #5 on: June 13, 2012, 02:52:18 pm »
One additional note:  if the Dutch mount a miraculous comeback and win 3-2, every team goes into the final round of matches with 3 points, 3 goals scored and 3 goals conceded.  If the two last games end in ties, Germany and Holland go through by virtue of having a higher UEFA ranking, because all the other tie-breakers are ... umm ... tied.
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« Reply #6 on: June 13, 2012, 03:18:11 pm »
The Dutch are starting to show a bit of life, but it's likely too little too late.
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« Reply #7 on: June 13, 2012, 03:21:41 pm »
The Dutch are starting to show a bit of life, but it's likely too little too late.

RvP (finally) puts one away.  2-1, but Germany had just taken off Gomez, so they might not be too well equipped to counter a full-on Dutch fightback...
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« Reply #8 on: June 13, 2012, 03:27:20 pm »
Germany take off playmaker Ozil for the last 10+ minutes.  Sitting back and defending a 1-goal lead is never a good idea...
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« Reply #9 on: June 13, 2012, 03:31:49 pm »
Germany take off playmaker Ozil for the last 10+ minutes.  Sitting back and defending a 1-goal lead is never a good idea...

Ozil is one of the most impressive players I've seen since the World Cup (when he impressed even then).

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« Reply #10 on: June 13, 2012, 03:40:13 pm »
Ozil is one of the most impressive players I've seen since the World Cup (when he impressed even then).

I exchanged him for Schweinsteiger in my fantasy team, and pissed away 4 points for the latter's 2 assists.  However, I did bring in Bendtnar (2 goals today) and kept faith with RvP (1 goal) plus 2 points for Lahm despit Germany shipping one.  Good haul on the day.
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« Reply #11 on: June 13, 2012, 03:41:54 pm »
Ozil is one of the most impressive players I've seen since the World Cup (when he impressed even then).

He's wildly ugly.  Looks like an eel.
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« Reply #12 on: June 13, 2012, 04:51:06 pm »
Denmark-Portugal was the best game of the tourney, and I'd say this has been the best day overall.

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« Reply #13 on: June 13, 2012, 05:11:15 pm »
He's wildly ugly.  Looks like an eel.

Yup, he has a unique look about him, but his game is beautiful... NTTAWWT!

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« Reply #14 on: June 13, 2012, 05:12:13 pm »
Gomez = "Must be an Argentine!" - me

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« Reply #15 on: June 13, 2012, 05:12:14 pm »
The Dutch should have started Van Der Vaart. Might have given them a slightly better chance.  Van Bommel was awful.

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« Reply #17 on: June 13, 2012, 05:24:00 pm »
The Dutch should have started Van Der Vaart. Might have given them a slightly better chance.  Van Bommel was awful.

They sent out the same team - designed not to lose - against Denmark too.  However, RvP had a gadgillion chances vs. the Danes and failed miserably to put any away.  They will have to go for it on Sunday vs. Portugal.  Oh, and van Bommel's sell by date expired some time ago.

Many teams in this tournament, including the Germans, are using the Inter/Chelsea counter* to the Spain/Barca tika-taka style of possession domination.  Of course, they're deploying it against not-Spain, and even Spain are not as good at tika-taka as Barca, so it has made for some strange games IMHO (like England-France where both sides spent most of the game waiting for the other side to attack so they could counter).  The Ruskies and Poles went at it like ferrets in a sack yesterday, and I would love to see more of that as things come down to the knockout stage.

* Basically, it's rope-a-dope.

Although there's still one last round of group games to go, starting with the Group of Dearth** on Saturday, for the most part these are effectively sudden death matches for the teams playing catch-up, and so will have a knockout feel to them.

** Group C, encompassing Spain, Italy, Ireland and Croatia, has been dubbed the Group of Debt.
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« Reply #18 on: June 13, 2012, 05:30:17 pm »
Gomez = "Must be an Argentine!" - me

Spanish father (from Granada) and German mother.  Born in Germany, could've played for either country.
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« Reply #19 on: June 13, 2012, 05:54:59 pm »
They sent out the same team - designed not to lose - against Denmark too.  However, RvP had a gadgillion chances vs. the Danes and failed miserably to put any away.  They will have to go for it on Sunday vs. Portugal.  Oh, and van Bommel's sell by date expired some time ago.

Many teams in this tournament, including the Germans, are using the Inter/Chelsea counter* to the Spain/Barca tika-taka style of possession domination.  Of course, they're deploying it against not-Spain, and even Spain are not as good at tika-taka as Barca, so it has made for some strange games IMHO (like England-France where both sides spent most of the game waiting for the other side to attack so they could counter).  The Ruskies and Poles went at it like ferrets in a sack yesterday, and I would love to see more of that as things come down to the knockout stage.

* Basically, it's rope-a-dope.

Although there's still one last round of group games to go, starting with the Group of Dearth** on Saturday, for the most part these are effectively sudden death matches for the teams playing catch-up, and so will have a knockout feel to them.

** Group C, encompassing Spain, Italy, Ireland and Croatia, has been dubbed the Group of Debt.

Glad I wasn't the only one that thought the England/France match seemed weird.  I would be surprised if Van Bommel starts the next game.  More ferrets in a sack! I'm taking a long lunch tomorrow to watch Ireland/Spain at the pub because I'm a masochist.

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« Reply #20 on: June 14, 2012, 10:28:12 am »
Spanish father (from Granada) and German mother.  Born in Germany, could've played for either country.

So, I can scratch off "One of the Boys from Brazil" from my list of possible answers?

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« Reply #21 on: June 14, 2012, 12:04:26 pm »
So, I can scratch off "One of the Boys from Brazil" from my list of possible answers?

I used to work with a lady who was born in Paraguay of German parents who had a very German name.  I was hard to resist snapping to attention and clicking my heels together any time she walked in the room.  I never asked what her father did during the war.
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« Reply #22 on: June 14, 2012, 12:05:57 pm »
Glad I wasn't the only one that thought the England/France match seemed weird.  I would be surprised if Van Bommel starts the next game.  More ferrets in a sack! I'm taking a long lunch tomorrow to watch Ireland/Spain at the pub because I'm a masochist.

I don't think Ireland will get their hands feet on the ball very much.  Plus I don't think they're talented enough or organised enough to pull off the rope-a-dope defense.  If Given has another 'mare, it could be very bad.
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« Reply #23 on: June 14, 2012, 12:15:33 pm »
I don't think Ireland will get their hands feet on the ball very much.  Plus I don't think they're talented enough or organised enough to pull off the rope-a-dope defense.  If Given has another 'mare, it could be very bad.

I don't expect much either but I gotta support them while they're still in the tournament.

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« Reply #24 on: June 14, 2012, 12:28:46 pm »
I don't expect much either but I gotta support them while they're still in the tournament.

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« Reply #25 on: June 14, 2012, 01:53:38 pm »
If Given has another 'mare, it could be very bad.

Spain 1-up after 4 minutes after a defensive blunder resulted in Torres having a shot that Given should've saved.

If you're interested, the record defeat at the Euros is a 6-1 tonking of Yugoslavia by Holland in 2000.
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« Reply #26 on: June 14, 2012, 02:10:15 pm »
From The Guardian's MBM:

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21 min: Pique waltzes past McGeady down the left wing and then tries to cut the ball back from the by-line,. but Dnnne intercepts. "Watching Ireland out-manned at literally every position really doesn't make you look forward to a 24 team Euros now does it?" jibbers N O'Hearn, who has a point.

Yep.  Only 16 teams this time; 24 teams next time, so an extra round of games involving no-hopers.
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« Reply #27 on: June 14, 2012, 03:20:27 pm »
Not wanting to derail the conversation, but what do spurs supporters think of the redknapp sacking? Seems harsh.
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« Reply #28 on: June 14, 2012, 03:52:23 pm »
Not wanting to derail the conversation, but what do spurs supporters think of the redknapp sacking? Seems harsh.

If Matt hadn't seen that news yet, he may have just passed out.
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« Reply #29 on: June 14, 2012, 09:17:14 pm »
Not wanting to derail the conversation, but what do spurs supporters think of the redknapp sacking? Seems harsh.

I think he lost the team when he assumed he would be taking over the England coaching role. The loss of form suddenly during that whole debacle makes me think that. Granted Spurs aren't the deepest team compared to the big four so that probably came into play as well. Spurs had second most injuries next to Man U. for the season and not nearly the bench they have. I'm also not a fan of how 'Arry handled some of the players like Dos Santos and Defoe.  We'll see what happens but I'm not doom and gloom yet.

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« Reply #30 on: June 14, 2012, 09:20:07 pm »
Irish fans serenade the team off the field.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVcFOvUhhT8

Pretty awesome considering the team got its teeth kicked in.
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« Reply #31 on: June 14, 2012, 09:27:22 pm »
Irish fans serenade the team off the field.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVcFOvUhhT8

Pretty awesome considering the team got its teeth kicked in.

Yeah that was good. I was watching it with a friend actually from Ireland at the local pub. Shitty match but good stuff from the fans.

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« Reply #32 on: June 15, 2012, 09:03:26 am »
Curious, how/why did that song get adopted by the Irish supporters?  Seems like it is a song about a guy going to jail for stealing some corn to feed his family.
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« Reply #33 on: June 15, 2012, 09:04:51 am »
Curious, how/why did that song get adopted by the Irish supporters?  Seems like it is a song about a guy going to jail for stealing some corn to feed his family.

Switch it from corn to potatoes and that's about as Irish as it gets.
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« Reply #34 on: June 15, 2012, 09:19:09 am »
Switch it from corn to potatoes and that's about as Irish as it gets.

But the song was about the potato famine, so there wouldn't be potatoes to steal.

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« Reply #35 on: June 15, 2012, 09:33:30 am »
But the song was about the potato famine, so there wouldn't be potatoes to steal.

Right.  I looked it up on wikipedia and it's about a man who "stole Trevelyan's corn"; which is a reference to Charles Edward Trevelyan, a senior British civil servant in the administration of the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland in Dublin Castle. Trevelyan believed that the starving Irish could subsist on maize, a grain that they had no knowledge of or experience in preparing.  So yeah, it's about as Irish as can be. 
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« Reply #36 on: June 15, 2012, 10:45:49 am »
Right.  I looked it up on wikipedia and it's about a man who "stole Trevelyan's corn"; which is a reference to Charles Edward Trevelyan, a senior British civil servant in the administration of the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland in Dublin Castle. Trevelyan believed that the starving Irish could subsist on maize, a grain that they had no knowledge of or experience in preparing.  So yeah, it's about as Irish as can be. 

Yep its pretty much a big middle finger to the English in song form.  Not to mention its a pretty cool song to sing.

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« Reply #37 on: June 15, 2012, 10:49:29 am »
Thanks, that makes sense now.
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« Reply #38 on: June 15, 2012, 11:15:37 am »
Yep its pretty much a big middle finger to the English in song form.  Not to mention its a pretty cool song to sing.

My son went to see Prometheus the other day and when he came home, he said "Dad, I was the only one who laughed when two of the characters gave each other the two finger salute".  He was waiting to see my reaction in case I said "You mean the one finger salute... right?". All I replied was "Agincourt!"
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« Reply #39 on: June 15, 2012, 11:19:33 am »
My son went to see Prometheus the other day and when he came home, he said "Dad, I was the only one who laughed when two of the characters gave each other the two finger salute".  He was waiting to see my reaction in case I said "I mean the one finger salute... right?". All I replied was "Agincourt!"

haha yeah but do they use the two finger salute in Ireland? I've never been to Ireland but I've seen it in action in England.

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« Reply #40 on: June 15, 2012, 11:34:27 am »
haha yeah but do they use the two finger salute in Ireland? I've never been to Ireland but I've seen it in action in England.

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« Reply #41 on: June 15, 2012, 03:22:58 pm »
Wow, this is a great match b/w England and the Swedes.
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« Reply #42 on: June 15, 2012, 03:33:16 pm »
Wow, this is a great match b/w England and the Swedes.

+1 (Although England looks indecisive some times)

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« Reply #43 on: June 15, 2012, 03:37:19 pm »
WOW! Just as I typed that, England mounts a beautiful attack and seals it with a great goal. That was impressive!

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« Reply #44 on: June 15, 2012, 03:37:50 pm »
that was unreal.
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« Reply #45 on: June 15, 2012, 03:43:36 pm »
The big guy for Sweden, the one that looks like Furio from the Sopranos is quite the force.  He and the English keeper don't seem to be pals.
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« Reply #46 on: June 15, 2012, 04:39:44 pm »
The big guy for Sweden, the one that looks like Furio from the Sopranos is quite the force.  He and the English keeper don't seem to be pals.

He's kind of a douche but is pretty impressive at times. He was just throwing defenders off of him like gnats.

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« Reply #47 on: June 16, 2012, 09:20:28 am »
The big guy for Sweden, the one that looks like Furio from the Sopranos is quite the force.  He and the English keeper don't seem to be pals.

Zlotan Ibrahimovic.  And he's a giant douche.  Fuck him, he's eliminated.
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« Reply #48 on: June 16, 2012, 09:56:59 am »
Zlotan Ibrahimovic.  And he's a giant douche.  Fuck him, he's eliminated.

Probably wears a hat, skinny jeans, loafers, suit jackets with thin lapels, crew neck undershirts, and garter belts for his socks. What a major douche!

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« Reply #49 on: June 16, 2012, 12:13:42 pm »
Probably wears a hat, skinny jeans, loafers, suit jackets with thin lapels, crew neck undershirts, and garter belts for his socks. What a major douche!

Well he is Swedish.

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« Reply #50 on: June 16, 2012, 01:21:44 pm »
So I take it none of you are sporting a Zlotan Ibrahimovic FatHead on your living room wall.
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« Reply #51 on: June 16, 2012, 03:39:36 pm »
Love to see the Greeks dump the Russians.  That was a fun game.
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« Reply #52 on: June 16, 2012, 06:20:24 pm »
Love to see the Greeks dump the Russians.  That was a fun game.

I think its curious that of the top 10 most populous countries in the world, only Brazil puts together a world class national team.

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« Reply #53 on: June 16, 2012, 06:25:44 pm »
I think its curious that of the top 10 most populous countries in the world, only Brazil puts together a world class national team.

And countries like Uruguay with a total population that's less than Harris County can be global forces.
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« Reply #54 on: June 16, 2012, 07:36:28 pm »
I think its curious that of the top 10 most populous countries in the world, only Brazil puts together a world class national team.

It's soccer - how do the world powers rank in tiddleywinks?
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« Reply #55 on: June 16, 2012, 10:20:59 pm »
Love to see the Greeks dump the Russians.  That was a fun game.

+1....thanks to the cold war days, liking russia will not likely ever be in the cards.  Happy for Greece given their financial troubles.  Not saying the troubles aren't their own doing, but happy for them to have something to celebrate.  Group B tomorrow will be interesting.
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« Reply #56 on: June 18, 2012, 08:07:47 am »
Probably wears a hat, skinny jeans, loafers, suit jackets with thin lapels

Just back from 3 weeks in Italy.  This is completely accurate for the average tool in Rome except no loafers.  Tennis shoes instead.  And I don't mean Jeepers.  They wear pink, green or yellow All-Stars.  Pretty wierd

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« Reply #57 on: June 18, 2012, 10:41:47 am »
Love to see the Greeks dump the Russians.  That was a fun game.

...setting up Germany vs. Greece, which has some very nice euro-political undertones.
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« Reply #58 on: June 18, 2012, 10:56:08 am »
...setting up Germany vs. Greece, which has some very nice euro-political undertones.

If Greece wins they get all the money they need.
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« Reply #59 on: June 18, 2012, 11:02:26 am »
If Greece wins they get all the money they need.

Surely nobody would ever fix a match for financial gain.
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« Reply #60 on: June 18, 2012, 11:06:20 am »
So I take it none of you are sporting a Zlotan Ibrahimovic FatHead on your living room wall.

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« Reply #61 on: June 18, 2012, 11:08:26 am »
Irony is a motherfucker.  Italy, its domestic leagues mired in a match-fixing scandal of record-breaking proportions, will be eliminated regardless of their own result if Spain and Croatia play to a tie of 2 or more goals each.  Of course, the Italians are already bleating about a fix being in, which many suspect is more projection than perception, and I tend to agree with that.  Their league has been plagued by teams - playing end of season fixtures - sharing the points with ties that help both of them and hurt someone else.  The current Italian goalie got a lot of flack for defending this practice by saying "it's better that 2 are wounded than 1 killed".

Personally, as cynical as I am, I do not think the fix will be in today.  However, as the match develops, if both teams find themselves with 2 goals apiece, I thoroughly expect both teams to shut the game down and let the clock run out.

But...

1)  The Bookie fraternity doesn't miss many wrinkles, and they have slashed the odds of Spain and Croatia playing to a 2-2 tie to 4-1.  By comparison, the odds for a France - Sweden 2-2 tie on Tuesday is 16-1.

2)  It's not like teams haven't collaborated on a mutually-beneficial result before.  Most famously between Germany and Austria in the 1982 World Cup, which prompted a rule change so that the final round of group games have simultaneous kick-offs.  More recently, in Euro 2004, Denmark and Sweden played to a 2-2 tie, which confirmed both teams progressed to the knockout round, and causing the elimination of...Italy!

In this case, it would be 2 teams wounded and 1 (other) team killed.
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« Reply #62 on: June 18, 2012, 11:22:02 am »
Irony is a motherfucker.  Italy, its domestic leagues mired in a match-fixing scandal of record-breaking proportions, will be eliminated regardless of their own result if Spain and Croatia play to a tie of 2 or more goals each.  Of course, the Italians are already bleating about a fix being in, which many suspect is more projection than perception, and I tend to agree with that.  Their league has been plagued by teams - playing end of season fixtures - sharing the points with ties that help both of them and hurt someone else.  The current Italian goalie got a lot of flack for defending this practice by saying "it's better that 2 are wounded than 1 killed".

Personally, as cynical as I am, I do not think the fix will be in today.  However, as the match develops, if both teams find themselves with 2 goals apiece, I thoroughly expect both teams to shut the game down and let the clock run out.

But...

1)  The Bookie fraternity doesn't miss many wrinkles, and they have slashed the odds of Spain and Croatia playing to a 2-2 tie to 4-1.  By comparison, the odds for a France - Sweden 2-2 tie on Tuesday is 16-1.

2)  It's not like teams haven't collaborated on a mutually-beneficial result before.  Most famously between Germany and Austria in the 1982 World Cup, which prompted a rule change so that the final round of group games have simultaneous kick-offs.  More recently, in Euro 2004, Denmark and Sweden played to a 2-2 tie, which confirmed both teams progressed to the knockout round, and causing the elimination of...Italy!

In this case, it would be 2 teams wounded and 1 (other) team killed.

I know it won't happen but it was interesting to see the calls for Italy to suspend the Serie A season next year due to the rampant game fixing and corruption.  Can you imagine the exodus of players if that happened?

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« Reply #63 on: June 18, 2012, 11:44:10 am »
I know it won't happen but it was interesting to see the calls for Italy to suspend the Serie A season next year due to the rampant game fixing and corruption.  Can you imagine the exodus of players if that happened?

They has a bad scandal a few years ago, and it resulted in some teams being demoted from Serie A, including big names like Juventus (IIRC).  Yet they come back even worse after that.  I'm not sure there's a solution - maybe expulsion from international club / country competitions (like they did to the English over hooliganism) - but shutting down the A league makes little sense as the other divisions will still be playing.
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« Reply #64 on: June 18, 2012, 12:07:00 pm »
They has a bad scandal a few years ago, and it resulted in some teams being demoted from Serie A, including big names like Juventus (IIRC).  Yet they come back even worse after that.  I'm not sure there's a solution - maybe expulsion from international club / country competitions (like they did to the English over hooliganism) - but shutting down the A league makes little sense as the other divisions will still be playing.

I'm not real familiar with Italian football but do watch some of the Serie A games they show on Fox Soccer during hangover Sundays.  I had no idea they had so many problems there but I guess I'm not that surprised.

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« Reply #65 on: June 18, 2012, 12:18:08 pm »
I'm not real familiar with Italian football but do watch some of the Serie A games they show on Fox Soccer during hangover Sundays.  I had no idea they had so many problems there but I guess I'm not that surprised.

Every country with a major domestic league has had a match-fixing scandal.  The Italians have had more and bigger scandals than anyone else.
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« Reply #66 on: June 18, 2012, 12:22:10 pm »
Every country with a major domestic league has had a match-fixing scandal.  The Italians have had more and bigger scandals than anyone else.

But what about Major League Soc... oh, ISWYDT.
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« Reply #67 on: June 18, 2012, 01:11:56 pm »
But what about Major League Soc... oh, ISWYDT.

haha I know MLS is a joke to a lot of people around the world but it looks world class compared to the Chinese Super League.  I was watching that a bit in Beijing and it was ugly, ugly football.

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« Reply #68 on: June 18, 2012, 02:25:17 pm »
They has a bad scandal a few years ago, and it resulted in some teams being demoted from Serie A, including big names like Juventus (IIRC). 

Fiorentina also, right?
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Re: Euro 2012
« Reply #69 on: June 18, 2012, 03:49:46 pm »
Meanwhile, Spain leave it late but beat Croatia 1-0, while Italy beat Ireland 2-0.  Even at the death, a Croat goal would've saved them and dumped the Italians.  For a long time, a Croat goal would've sunk the Spanish.  Intriguing stuff.
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« Reply #70 on: June 18, 2012, 03:50:13 pm »
Meanwhile, Spain leave it late but beat Croatia 1-0, while Italy beat Ireland 2-0.  Even at the death, a Croat goal would've saved them and dumped the Italians.  For a long time, a Croat goal would've sunk the Spanish.  Intriguing stuff.

Balotelli's goal... wow.
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« Reply #71 on: June 18, 2012, 04:50:21 pm »
Balotelli's goal... wow.

Balotelli is generally entertaining in every capacity.

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Re: Euro 2012
« Reply #72 on: June 19, 2012, 09:07:34 am »
So, today it's a little more simple:  Sweden are out already; if Ukraine doesn't win, they go out putting France and England through; if Ukraine wins, England (most likely) will go out, but it could be France if they get beaten by Sweden (highly unlikely) worse than England lose to Ukraine.

Basically, the game to watch is England-Ukraine.  The latter is a host nation and should not be underestimated.  They lost badly to France and only just beat Sweden (like England).  However, the punch against Sweden was provided by Shevchenko, who is not available today. Meanwhile, England welcome back Wayne Rooney from his bullshit suspension.

The trick for England is to get an early goal to silence the home crowd (they went AWOL as soon as France scored its first against them), and then play solidly.  A draw is enough for England, but that's a risky target to play for.  Also, if France take their foot off the gas against Sweden and England play well, they may be able to overturn the 1 goal deficit to France and avoid Spain in the quarter final.

Personally, I just want them to get past Ukraine.  Anything else is jam.
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Re: Euro 2012
« Reply #73 on: June 19, 2012, 09:54:32 am »
Is the first tie breaker goal differential?  Does head to head factor in?
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« Reply #74 on: June 19, 2012, 10:27:11 am »
Is the first tie breaker goal differential?  Does head to head factor in?

Head-to-head first, then goal difference, then goals scored.  If still tied, it gets complicated and ends up at UEFA's coefficients which, for Group D, are England > France > Ukraine.

Currently France and England are tied on points with France's goal difference being +2 with 3 goals scored and England's GD being +1 with 4 goals scored.  Assuming France beat Sweden, they will top the group if England fail to beat Ukraine by more than France beat Sweden.  To top France, England have to win while surpassing or matching France's GD (in the latter case the coefficient tie-breaker will put England over France).

If France fails to beat Sweden, it's a clusterfuck.  Here's a handy cheat sheet.
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« Reply #75 on: June 19, 2012, 12:06:30 pm »
Fiorentina also, right?

I believe Fiorentina was demoted for going bankrupt. Similar to Napoli.
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« Reply #76 on: June 19, 2012, 12:19:58 pm »
I believe Fiorentina was demoted for going bankrupt. Similar to Napoli.

I'm pretty sure Napoli was demoted for using the Netscape logo.

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« Reply #77 on: June 19, 2012, 02:46:12 pm »
Wayne Rooney looks way more than just a little rusty.

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« Reply #78 on: June 19, 2012, 02:48:53 pm »
Wayne Rooney looks way more than just a little rusty.

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« Reply #79 on: June 19, 2012, 02:50:28 pm »
From the Guardian:

They always have good quips during matches.

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« Reply #80 on: June 19, 2012, 02:50:57 pm »
Goal Rooney!
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« Reply #81 on: June 19, 2012, 02:51:57 pm »
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« Reply #82 on: June 19, 2012, 02:53:05 pm »
Announcers just said Police have warned English fans to stay out of City Center if they defeat UKR as they are worried that the Ukraine fans might start trouble.  Kramer thinks there is nothing to worry about.  The Ukraine is weak...
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« Reply #83 on: June 19, 2012, 03:06:36 pm »
Ukraine just got completely screwed.
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« Reply #84 on: June 19, 2012, 03:09:23 pm »
Ukraine just got completely screwed.

What happened?


21:09 BST

64 min: Replays show that ball was over the line when Terry hooked it clear. The goal-line official couldn't advise the referee to give it, however, because the goal-post was blocking his view.
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« Reply #85 on: June 19, 2012, 03:13:35 pm »
What happened?


21:09 BST

64 min: Replays show that ball was over the line when Terry hooked it clear. The goal-line official couldn't advise the referee to give it, however, because the goal-post was blocking his view.

UEFA and FIFA haven't found assistants with x-ray vision yet.
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« Reply #86 on: June 19, 2012, 03:38:11 pm »
What happened?


21:09 BST

64 min: Replays show that ball was over the line when Terry hooked it clear. The goal-line official couldn't advise the referee to give it, however, because the goal-post was blocking his view.

I could tell during the live play that it was over the line. England are more lucky than they are good.

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« Reply #87 on: June 19, 2012, 04:31:34 pm »
I could tell during the live play that it was over the line. England are more lucky than they are good.

England have had way more than their fair share of bad luck.  I'll take all the luck over goodness I can get.
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« Reply #88 on: June 20, 2012, 11:22:36 am »
Michel Platini was a supremely gifted player, but as head of UEFA (the European governing body) he cannot help being French a dick.  He has steadfastly refused to support the idea of any goal line technology, and the additional goal line officials is his counter-proposal.  Well, that blew up in his face yesterday, when John Terry hooked clear a ball that was clearly in the goal, with the goal line official perfectly positioned and engaged but unable to see the play because...drumroll please...the goalpost blocked his view.

I don't know what those extra officials are doing or from what opticians waiting room they were plucked, but they are worse than useless.  In England's first game, an errant back pass was misplayed by Joe Hart and the ball rolled a clear two feet over the end line for a French corner.  The goal line official was standing maybe 6 feet away and unobstructed by a goalpost, and still failed to signal the ball out of play.  I think the linesman gave it in the end, mostly because Hart was so flabbergasted that play was continuing that he unintentionally highlighted the issue.

I agree with Sepp Blatter - a situation that makes me want to murder puppies.  But the technology has existed for years, and it's implementation is long overdue.
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« Reply #89 on: June 20, 2012, 11:30:02 am »
I agree with Sepp Blatter - a situation that makes me want to murder puppies.

What next, throwing your support behind Bud Selig?
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« Reply #90 on: June 20, 2012, 11:33:20 am »
What next, throwing your support behind Bud Selig?

Exactly.

But, Platini's objection to goal line technology is exactly the same fallacious objection that Rick Santorum has against gay marriage:

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Goalline technology isn't a problem.  The problem is the arrival of technology because, after, you'll need technology for deciding handballs and then for offside decisions and so on. It'll be like that forever and ever. It'll never stop. That's the problem I have.

Yep.  Soon there will be man on dog games.
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« Reply #91 on: June 20, 2012, 11:36:59 am »

Yep.  Soon there will be man on dog games.

They've been playing those for years over at Chelsea FC

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« Reply #92 on: June 20, 2012, 11:38:52 am »
I agree with Sepp Blatter - a situation that makes me want to murder puppies.  But the technology has existed for years, and it's implementation is long overdue.

They use it pretty smoothly in the NHL in what is a similar situation so I don't understand the uproar.  Also what's wrong with posting up an official right behind the goal?

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« Reply #93 on: June 20, 2012, 11:40:56 am »
They use it pretty smoothly in the NHL in what is a similar situation so I don't understand the uproar.  Also what's wrong with posting up an official right behind the goal?

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« Reply #94 on: June 20, 2012, 11:46:56 am »
They've been playing those for years over at Chelsea FC

Ashley Cole is definitely not playing man on dog (SFW), unless he's "playing on the road" which he has unfathomably done.
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« Reply #95 on: June 20, 2012, 12:04:55 pm »
Ashley Cole is definitely not playing man on dog (SFW), unless he's "playing on the road" which he has unfathomably done.

I was thinking along the lines of John Terry and Drogba.

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« Reply #96 on: June 20, 2012, 12:30:16 pm »
I was thinking along the lines of John Terry and Drogba.

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« Reply #97 on: June 20, 2012, 08:54:29 pm »
The problem with Arsenal is that they always try to walk it in.
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« Reply #98 on: June 21, 2012, 09:20:20 am »
The problem with Arsenal is that they always try to walk it in.

See also Pana, Es.

Actually, to beat Croatia, Spain literally walked it in.
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« Reply #99 on: June 21, 2012, 12:20:22 pm »
The problem with Arsenal is that they always try to walk it in.

There are more problems with Arsenal than that.

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Everyone's talking, few of them know
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« Reply #101 on: June 22, 2012, 11:04:10 am »
This seems appropriate for today.
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« Reply #102 on: June 22, 2012, 11:12:44 am »
This seems appropriate for today.

That's just too easy. There's a ferry service between Colon and Cartagena that is supposed to begin at some vague point in the future. (It will be great if it ever happens. $99 round trip prices versus $500-600 flights for what's the equivalent of Houston to Dallas.) It was originally advertised to initiate service in May. That didn't happen. Next they said July. That surely won't happen. Anyway the vessel is Greek and the joke here is that the delay is down to the fact that they're awaiting German permission for the vessel to leave.

I guess the comic is pithier.
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« Reply #103 on: June 22, 2012, 11:20:52 am »
If this guy is right, sounds like it will be more fun than flying too.

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« Reply #104 on: June 22, 2012, 11:31:36 am »
If this guy is right, sounds like it will be more fun than flying too.

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That guy has blocked me from his site over some transgression real or perceived, I can't remember anymore, but from what I've seen there will be bars, restaurants, casinos, all sorts of entertainment. So, yes. And in my experience collecting hundreds of Colombian women in a confined space is an outSTANding idea.
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« Reply #105 on: June 22, 2012, 11:44:33 am »
And in my experience collecting hundreds of Colombian women in a confined space is an outSTANding idea.

You will have to fight through the Secret Service agents to get to them.
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« Reply #106 on: June 22, 2012, 11:55:28 am »
You will have to fight through the Secret Service agents to get to them.

Every now and then I'll entertain myself of an evening by going to the casino here that attracts the most hookers. It is hilarious to watch the fat gringos with their floral shirts, sandals and tube socks panting after the roving masses of silicone.
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« Reply #107 on: June 22, 2012, 12:13:52 pm »
Every now and then I'll entertain myself of an evening by going to the casino here that attracts the most hookers. It is hilarious to watch the fat gringos with their floral shirts, sandals and tube socks panting after the roving masses of siliconeSTDs.

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« Reply #108 on: June 22, 2012, 03:07:13 pm »
The Greek's are a bit more plucky than expected.
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« Reply #109 on: June 22, 2012, 03:15:19 pm »
The Greek's are a bit more plucky than expected.

Or not.  The floodgates have opened. 
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« Reply #110 on: June 22, 2012, 03:35:38 pm »
Or not.  The floodgates have opened. 

Yeah that'll happen more often than not in a soccer match. I always keep my mouth shut even when things are going well.

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« Reply #111 on: June 22, 2012, 03:37:16 pm »
Or not.  The floodgates have opened. 

Just too much of a deficit to overcome.
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« Reply #112 on: June 22, 2012, 04:02:12 pm »
Just too much of a deficit to overcome.

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« Reply #113 on: June 22, 2012, 04:02:33 pm »
Just too much of a deficit to overcome.

Score or talent?

Just think; Greece made the quarter finals this year but, next time there will be 8 teams worse than Greece (and Ireland) in the tournament.

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« Reply #114 on: June 22, 2012, 04:07:33 pm »
Score or talent?

Just think; Greece made the quarter finals this year but, next time there will be 8 teams worse than Greece (and Ireland) in the tournament.

Yay pointless extra matches!

Not pointless when you have a cut of the gate and tv rights...!

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« Reply #115 on: June 22, 2012, 04:22:01 pm »
Not pointless when you have a cut of the gate and tv rights...!

...until your star player picks up a hammy playing Liechtenstein.
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« Reply #116 on: June 22, 2012, 05:26:02 pm »
...until your star player picks up a hammy playing Liechtenstein.

You aren't excited for the epic match ups like Spain vs Estonia?

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« Reply #117 on: June 23, 2012, 04:09:50 pm »
If I was French, after watching them "chase" the game, I'd be off to Best Buy to get a new TV.  Fuck that was sad.
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« Reply #118 on: June 23, 2012, 05:00:29 pm »
"Spain has 8 straight shutouts in major-tournament knockout games. Last goal allowed was to France in 2006 WC."
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« Reply #119 on: June 24, 2012, 02:04:45 pm »
20 minutes in and this has been a really entertaining match b/w ENG and ITA
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« Reply #120 on: June 24, 2012, 04:09:29 pm »
20 minutes in and this has been a really entertaining match b/w ENG and ITA

If I was an Englishwomen, I would have broken my television several times over this game. 

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« Reply #121 on: June 24, 2012, 04:19:36 pm »
If England win in PKs, it will be a bit of a travesty.
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« Reply #122 on: June 24, 2012, 04:23:15 pm »
Young has been a goat all day.

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« Reply #123 on: June 24, 2012, 04:30:16 pm »
That chip-shot PK took some incredible guts.
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« Reply #124 on: June 24, 2012, 05:01:23 pm »
That chip-shot PK took some incredible guts.

My husband has declared a ban on "men" named Ashley taking PKs in the future.

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« Reply #125 on: June 25, 2012, 10:08:16 am »
My husband has declared a ban on "men" named Ashley taking PKs in the future.

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« Reply #126 on: June 25, 2012, 10:22:09 am »
Tell that to Margaret Mitchell.

Why?  Even she knew that Ashley was a wishy-washy pathetic little man.
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« Reply #127 on: June 25, 2012, 10:56:54 am »
If England win in PKs, it will be a bit of a travesty.

Why I hate PKs. They should at least do more of a one on one, breakaway thing like an actual scenario from the sport.

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« Reply #128 on: June 25, 2012, 11:04:38 am »
Why I hate PKs. They should at least do more of a one on one, breakaway thing like an actual scenario from the sport.

Or, at the very least, your fourth man should try kicking the ball hard.
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« Reply #129 on: June 28, 2012, 09:21:43 am »
If I was an Englishwomen, I would have broken my television several times over this game. 

I only got to watch the 2nd half of normal time and the shootout.  What I saw was so dismal that it wasn't worth getting so upset about.  The Italians have spared England a (nother) thrashing at the hands of Germany.
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« Reply #130 on: June 28, 2012, 09:24:16 am »
Young has been a goat all day.

He's been - at best - disappointing this whole tournament.  Also, Rooney has still yet to score a goal in a knockout game.  Basically, the talent in England is not up to the job currently and there really isn't much up and coming in the leagues that fills one with hope for a renaissance in the near future.
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« Reply #131 on: June 28, 2012, 11:27:50 am »
He's been - at best - disappointing this whole tournament.  Also, Rooney has still yet to score a goal in a knockout game.  Basically, the talent in England is not up to the job currently and there really isn't much up and coming in the leagues that fills one with hope for a renaissance in the near future.

Sadly this is correct. I was happy to see Scotty Parker have some good matches for the international team though so good for him!

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« Reply #132 on: June 28, 2012, 03:46:53 pm »
Wow two awesome goals from Balotelli and Germany is going home! I didn't see that coming at all.

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« Reply #133 on: June 28, 2012, 03:54:23 pm »
Wow two awesome goals from Balotelli and Germany is going home! I didn't see that coming at all.

Me neither.  Yet strangely, I have jumped in my fantasy standings from 57 out of 1600 to 12th.  I have an outside chance of winning, but need some strange goals / assist combos to get it to happen.
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« Reply #134 on: July 01, 2012, 03:50:18 pm »
That was a thumping. 
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« Reply #135 on: July 01, 2012, 03:56:29 pm »
That was a thumping. 

Spain's ability to control the ball (especially Iniesta) is astounding. I can't imagine how frustrating it must be to try to defend against that.
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« Reply #136 on: July 02, 2012, 09:21:19 am »
That was a thumping. 

The Italians tried to do what most teams don't: attack Spain.  Everyone loses to Spain but, if you try to win, you get thumped.

This squad is already the finest national team ever assembled, and is rewriting the history books every time they play.  And the majority are in their late-20s, so will still be playing in at least the 2014 World Cup and maybe the 2016 Euros.
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« Reply #137 on: July 02, 2012, 09:35:51 am »
The Italians tried to do what most teams don't: attack Spain.  Everyone loses to Spain but, if you try to win, you get thumped.

This squad is already the finest national team ever assembled, and is rewriting the history books every time they play.  And the majority are in their late-20s, so will still be playing in at least the 2014 World Cup and maybe the 2016 Euros.

Amazingly, the only team to beat both Spain and Italy in the last 3 years is the US.
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« Reply #138 on: July 02, 2012, 10:57:31 am »
The Italians tried to do what most teams don't: attack Spain.  Everyone loses to Spain but, if you try to win, you get thumped.

This squad is already the finest national team ever assembled, and is rewriting the history books every time they play.  And the majority are in their late-20s, so will still be playing in at least the 2014 World Cup and maybe the 2016 Euros.

I feel like Germany would have had a better chance in the final but too bad they shit the bed against Italy. Spain still probably would have won.

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« Reply #139 on: July 02, 2012, 11:24:48 am »
I feel like Germany would have had a better chance in the final but too bad they shit the bed against Italy. Spain still probably would have won.

The best thing about Germany getting their pants pulled down by Italy was that it took Philip Lahm's double insult and jammed it sideways up his arse.  Before the game, he said that Germany would have dispatched England a lot sooner/easier than Italy, deftly managing to shit on both teams simultaneously.  Oh yeah, Philip, how do you like those mela?
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« Reply #140 on: July 02, 2012, 11:27:51 am »
The best thing about Germany getting their pants pulled down by Italy was that it took Philip Lahm's double insult and jammed it sideways up his arse.  Before the game, he said that Germany would have dispatched England a lot sooner/easier than Italy, deftly managing to shit on both teams simultaneously.  Oh yeah, Philip, how do you like those mela?

Yep and they lost because they let Balotelli wander around by himself. Spain had 3 guys around him at almost all times. Sometimes 4.

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« Reply #141 on: July 02, 2012, 11:33:29 am »
Yep and they lost because they let Balotelli wander around by himself. Spain had 3 guys around him at almost all times. Sometimes 4.

Agreed.  They did a great job of disconnecting him from the rest of the team.
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« Reply #142 on: July 02, 2012, 11:45:38 am »
Agreed.  They did a great job of disconnecting him from the rest of the team.

Exact same thing they did to Ronaldo.

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« Reply #143 on: July 02, 2012, 12:31:26 pm »
Exact same thing they did to Ronaldo.

Because they swarm the ball in possession (in a good way, not like 5 year olds), they're already all over the opposition if they lose it.  Other teams aren't as technically sound as Spain, so they cannot tiki-taka out of the pressure with the same panache.  It's such an effective and oppressive style of play.
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« Reply #144 on: July 05, 2012, 01:01:45 pm »
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