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Tebow > Campbell
« on: April 24, 2012, 01:30:28 pm »
The NFL Network rates Tim Tebow above Earl Campbell on top 10 list of Heisman winners.

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Re: Tebow > Campbell
« Reply #1 on: April 24, 2012, 01:43:55 pm »
The NFL Network rates Tim Tebow above Earl Campbell on top 10 list of Heisman winners.

Even I know that's bullshit.

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« Reply #2 on: April 24, 2012, 01:48:43 pm »
Whenever I see any media start ranking anything, I turn it off.
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« Reply #3 on: April 24, 2012, 02:14:11 pm »
I like Tebow as a person. I really do.

Why is he even mentioned anywhere near this list?
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« Reply #4 on: April 24, 2012, 02:18:03 pm »
I like Tebow as a person. I really do.

Why is he even mentioned anywhere near this list?


The Heisman Throphy jinx in the NFL is pretty much a given. Most of the guys who are considered the best college player of the year usually flame out in the NFL because what you're asked to do in college and what you're asked to in the NFL are very different.  Andre Ware will tell you so. So why would Tebow be on this list?  I dunno, but he hasn't  exactly flamed out either. Is he a better NFL player than 'Erl? No way. What I am surprised at is how they were able to find 10 good NFL Heisman winners to begin with.

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« Reply #5 on: April 24, 2012, 02:22:57 pm »
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« Reply #6 on: April 24, 2012, 02:25:01 pm »


The Heisman Throphy jinx in the NFL is pretty much a given. Most of the guys who are considered the best college player of the year usually flame out in the NFL because what you're asked to do in college and what you're asked to in the NFL are very different.  Andre Ware will tell you so. So why would Tebow be on this list?  I dunno, but he hasn't  exactly flamed out either. Is he a better NFL player than 'Erl? No way. What I am surprised at is how they were able to find 10 good NFL Heisman winners to begin with.

Bo Jackson
Tim Brown
Eddie George
Ricky Williams
Vinny Testaverde
Doug Flutie

All have done much more, even if they had problems. That is just a few.
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« Reply #7 on: April 24, 2012, 02:39:56 pm »
Bo Jackson
Tim Brown
Eddie George
Ricky Williams
Vinny Testaverde
Doug Flutie

All have done much more, even if they had problems. That is just a few.

At this point, even Vince Young has done more in the NFL than Tebow.
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« Reply #8 on: April 24, 2012, 02:47:52 pm »
Bo Jackson
Tim Brown
Eddie George
Ricky Williams
Vinny Testaverde
Doug Flutie

All have done much more, even if they had problems. That is just a few.

I dunno, those guys were "good" NFL players but not necessarily great. Of course, neither is Tebow or even Cam at this point of their careers as well. Funny you have Flutie on this list. Tebow and Flutie compare well in terms of skill sets... lots of desire and determination, limited pure NFL quarterback skills.

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« Reply #9 on: April 24, 2012, 02:48:29 pm »
At this point, even Vince Young has done more in the NFL than Tebow.

Vince Young should have won a Heisman, but alas, he did not.

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« Reply #10 on: April 24, 2012, 02:56:09 pm »
Vince Young should have won a Heisman, but alas, he did not.

Ah.  I heard that he got it retroactively, but looking it up it seems it was a totally unofficial do-over.
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« Reply #11 on: April 24, 2012, 02:59:36 pm »
I dunno, those guys were "good" NFL players but not necessarily great. Of course, neither is Tebow or even Cam at this point of their careers as well. Funny you have Flutie on this list. Tebow and Flutie compare well in terms of skill sets... lots of desire and determination, limited pure NFL quarterback skills.

I do agree there are different requirements for college vs. NFL, btw. Two exceptions: Tim Brown was very good. Bo Jackson was great, but too short a career.
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« Reply #12 on: April 24, 2012, 03:17:43 pm »
I do agree there are different requirements for college vs. NFL, btw. Two exceptions: Tim Brown was very good. Bo Jackson was great, but too short a career.

I agree on Bo Jackson, but it was indeed too short to quantify. Tim Brown?  Okay, I'll agree. Hershel Walker is missing from your list and had it not been for the USFL, he would have been one of the better Heisman NFLers around, IMHO.

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« Reply #13 on: April 24, 2012, 03:29:15 pm »
I agree on Bo Jackson, but it was indeed too short to quantify. Tim Brown?  Okay, I'll agree. Hershel Walker is missing from your list and had it not been for the USFL, he would have been one of the better Heisman NFLers around, IMHO.

Sorry, didn't make it through the whole list. Walker was very good. I just think any of those guys would be ahead of Tebow on a top 10 list.

Earl was my first football "hero", so I'm trying to not be too "homer" about where he should go. I really do like Tebow. He is a good kid with a ton of determination that never says stop. He does it in a competitive, but gentlemanly? way. That is rare. He has won with that attitude, both on the field and with fans and teammates. I'll even root for him sometimes. I don't think he is a great player.
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« Reply #14 on: April 24, 2012, 03:35:25 pm »
Sorry, didn't make it through the whole list. Walker was very good. I just think any of those guys would be ahead of Tebow on a top 10 list.

Earl was my first football "hero", so I'm trying to not be too "homer" about where he should go. I really do like Tebow. He is a good kid with a ton of determination that never says stop. He does it in a competitive, but gentlemanly? way. That is rare. He has won with that attitude, both on the field and with fans and teammates. I'll even root for him sometimes. I don't think he is a great player.

Just so we're clear, don't think Tebow is great as much as he's inspiring to watch. In a "little engine that could" sorta way. He's not supposed to win in the NFL with his skill set, so we've been told over and over again. And the playoff game with the Patriots sorta exposed that. So time will tell if Tebow becomes yet another Heisman ex who did some good things here and there and even had his "moments", but to say he's top ten in the list with Earl? No way.

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« Reply #15 on: April 24, 2012, 03:48:42 pm »
Just so we're clear, don't think Tebow is great as much as he's inspiring to watch. In a "little engine that could" sorta way. He's not supposed to win in the NFL with his skill set, so we've been told over and over again. And the playoff game with the Patriots sorta exposed that. So time will tell if Tebow becomes yet another Heisman ex who did some good things here and there and even had his "moments", but to say he's top ten in the list with Earl? No way.

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« Reply #16 on: April 24, 2012, 04:38:36 pm »
To me, he's about as inspiring to watch as Vinnie Testeverde was.
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« Reply #17 on: April 24, 2012, 05:16:57 pm »
During my four years at Baylor...five, sir!....five years at Baylor, I saw so many good running backs come through town, it was disturbing.  

However, no one impressed quite as much as the Tyler Rose did my freshman year in terms of awe-inspiring effort, skill, power and determination.  So glad I made the trip that day--great weather, great weekend and a nice introduction to 6th Street, though somewhat subdued.  Part time starting Baylor QB Greg Wood had his neck broken during the game that day.  Good news is that he didn't just recover and get his degre but went on to become of all things an orthopedic (spinal) surgeon in his home town of Jackson, Mississippi.  (Forgive the Matt Foley motivational moment there).  I'll bet more than one of you was at that game.  

That said, just two seasons later, as a freshman Dickerson was turning heads and a year later turning into a world-beater--the most amazing back I'd ever seen, anyway.  Not sure I've seen one better since then, either.  

I guess they're lauding Tebow, why, because he won as an underclassman and was always in the running to repeat after?  Shoot, Earl was Earl.  I suppose it's those bastard Irish's fault.  Was that little prick Rudy there, too?
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« Reply #18 on: April 24, 2012, 06:51:06 pm »
Whenever I see any media start ranking anything, I turn it off.

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« Reply #19 on: April 24, 2012, 08:15:21 pm »
I wont go as far to say Earl in his prime was better than Jim Brown in his prime. Prime Barry Sanders and prime Walter Payton are right there behind Earl. Oh and Tebow couldn't carry Tony Dorsett's jock.
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« Reply #20 on: April 24, 2012, 09:49:25 pm »
I wont go as far to say Earl in his prime was better than Jim Brown in his prime. Prime Barry Sanders and prime Walter Payton are right there behind Earl. Oh and Tebow couldn't carry Tony Dorsett's jock.

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« Reply #21 on: April 24, 2012, 09:52:58 pm »
Gale Sayers could play a little bit too.

I know he didn't win a Heisman, but I was hopin' Coach would opine how a young Jim Thorpe compared to these guys...
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« Reply #22 on: April 24, 2012, 10:28:17 pm »
I know he didn't win a Heisman, but I was hopin' Coach would opine how a young Jim Thorpe compared to these guys...

Now that you've called him out, he probably will.
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« Reply #23 on: April 25, 2012, 05:58:48 am »
I like Tebow as a person. I really do.

Why is he even mentioned anywhere near this list?

Because he's one of the greatest, most accomplished college football players in history?  You know...the point of the list.
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« Reply #24 on: April 25, 2012, 06:47:43 am »
Gale Sayers could play a little bit too.

Billy Sims was pretty good as well.
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« Reply #25 on: April 25, 2012, 08:51:21 am »
Because he's one of the greatest, most accomplished college football players in history?  You know...the point of the list.

Not arguing the point you made regarding Tebow's college career, but the point of the list is to rank the performance of Heisman trophy winners in the NFL.  Inconclusive would be the most generous characterization of Tebow's NFL showing to date.

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« Reply #26 on: April 25, 2012, 11:33:04 am »
Not arguing the point you made regarding Tebow's college career, but the point of the list is to rank the performance of Heisman trophy winners in the NFL.  Inconclusive would be the most generous characterization of Tebow's NFL showing to date.

That's not the list I saw. Must be something different then. If they're ranking greatest NFL players, then having Tebow or Newton on the list of the top 50 is absurd.
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« Reply #27 on: April 25, 2012, 11:49:28 am »
That's not the list I saw. Must be something different then. If they're ranking greatest NFL players, then having Tebow or Newton on the list of the top 50 is absurd.

Here is a link to their story:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8288db51/article/nfl-films-ranks-tim-tebow-above-campbell-allen-on-heisman-list

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