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« on: February 15, 2012, 10:25:26 pm »
All over the news up here. 18 students arrested today after a 4-month undercover sting. 4 of the 18 are football players, and 2 of those are claiming that anywhere from 60 to 82 players on the squad failed their random drug tests administered on Feb. 1. Story is obviously still developing, but... Wow.
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« Reply #1 on: February 16, 2012, 12:17:29 pm »
and those directly caught in the sting where immediately expelled..even the athletes, imagine that...
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« Reply #2 on: February 16, 2012, 12:52:34 pm »
and those directly caught in the sting where immediately expelled..even the athletes, imagine that...

That is amazing. A bunch of kids got cheating on an exam here, in Business Ethics of all things, and the penalty was just a zero on the test rather than expulsion. Cheating on an exam is a hell of lot bigger deal to a university than pot usage.

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« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2012, 01:04:31 pm »
That is amazing. A bunch of kids got cheating on an exam here, in Business Ethics of all things, and the penalty was just a zero on the test rather than expulsion. Cheating on an exam is a hell of lot bigger deal to a university than pot usage.

they were fucking drug dealers. do not get me started on this.
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« Reply #4 on: February 16, 2012, 01:07:36 pm »
Cheating on an exam is a hell of lot bigger deal to a university than pot usage.

They weren't using, they were dealing.  Major difference.
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« Reply #5 on: February 16, 2012, 01:17:12 pm »
They weren't using, they were dealing.  Major difference.

I thought they all failed a drug test?
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« Reply #6 on: February 16, 2012, 01:18:48 pm »
I thought they all failed a drug test?

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« Reply #7 on: February 16, 2012, 01:20:16 pm »
I thought they all failed a drug test?

Supposedly.  Reports today are that only 5 failed the test.  But the ones off the team are the four arrested for distribution.
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« Reply #8 on: February 16, 2012, 01:22:39 pm »
Do college athletes get random drug tests periodically?
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« Reply #9 on: February 16, 2012, 01:23:34 pm »
That is amazing. A bunch of kids got cheating on an exam here, in Business Ethics of all things, and the penalty was just a zero on the test rather than expulsion. Cheating on an exam is a hell of lot bigger deal to a university than pot usage.

I'm not interested in the relative severity of various transgressions but I agree completely that anyone caught cheating in a university setting should be expelled immediately.
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« Reply #10 on: February 16, 2012, 01:27:45 pm »
Do college athletes get random drug tests periodically?

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« Reply #11 on: February 16, 2012, 01:28:50 pm »
I'm not interested in the relative severity of various transgressions but I agree completely that anyone caught cheating in a university setting should be expelled immediately.

If only it were that simple in a public institution.
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« Reply #12 on: February 16, 2012, 01:30:42 pm »
separate issue.

I haven't really been following beyond the headlines.  What's the separation?
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« Reply #13 on: February 16, 2012, 01:37:45 pm »
If only it were that simple in a public institution.

it is that simple. administrators who do not pursue it are gutless. that issue is my 32-year practice.
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« Reply #14 on: February 16, 2012, 01:41:51 pm »
it is that simple. administrators who do not pursue it are gutless. that issue is my 32-year practice.

UH pursues it, it is the "No, I didn't's" that aren't simple.  Sometimes due process sucks.
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« Reply #15 on: February 16, 2012, 01:45:28 pm »
UH pursues it, it is the "No, I didn't's" that aren't simple.  Sometimes due process sucks.

no, due process requires only notice and an OPPORTUNITY to be heard. it does not include the right to be believed.
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« Reply #16 on: February 16, 2012, 01:45:30 pm »
I haven't really been following beyond the headlines.  What's the separation?

I think it's just  that college kids smoking pot is one thing.  An organized drug distribution ring is something else entirely.
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« Reply #17 on: February 16, 2012, 01:48:54 pm »
I think it's just  that college kids smoking pot is one thing.  An organized drug distribution ring is something else entirely.

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« Reply #18 on: February 16, 2012, 01:51:20 pm »
I think it's just  that college kids smoking pot is one thing.  An organized drug distribution ring is something else entirely.

Unless it's to provide for treatment of medical conditions.
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« Reply #19 on: February 16, 2012, 01:52:17 pm »
no, due process requires only notice and an OPPORTUNITY to be heard. it does not include the right to be believed.

"All" are given the opportunity to be heard, but none like the result.  What follows?  That is my not simple.  Due Process was violated, discrimination charge.  Rarely is it their "fault."
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« Reply #20 on: February 16, 2012, 01:58:04 pm »
"All" are given the opportunity to be heard, but none like the result.  What follows?  That is my not simple.  Due Process was violated, discrimination charge.  Rarely is it their "fault."

like i said, gutless. afraid to be challenged or sued. gutless.
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« Reply #21 on: February 16, 2012, 01:58:07 pm »
it is that simple. administrators who do not pursue it are gutless. that issue is my 32-year practice.

College admins with guts get weeded out long before they get to the level of dean or president. In this case, the university wanted to avoid a bunch of lawsuits and the bad publicity they would bring. Cheating is rampant at universities these days.

I agree that dealing and using are separate issues. I commend TCU for taking this seriously.

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« Reply #22 on: February 16, 2012, 02:37:28 pm »
like i said, gutless. afraid to be challenged or sued. gutless.

All I said was that it is not as simple as some would think in regard to academic dishonesty. 
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« Reply #23 on: February 16, 2012, 04:04:00 pm »
One of the four player/dealers is from my little town. Sure makes us proud.
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« Reply #24 on: February 16, 2012, 04:21:00 pm »
All over the news up here. 18 students arrested today after a 4-month undercover sting. 4 of the 18 are football players, and 2 of those are claiming that anywhere from 60 to 82 players on the squad failed their random drug tests administered on Feb. 1. Story is obviously still developing, but... Wow.

A colleague of mine is a recent graduate of TCU.  He has heard that the "random" drug test was actually at the behest of Sheryl Swoops, whose son Jordan is a sought after high school QB, but expressed concerns over drug use to which he was exposed during a recruiting visit.  A photo of him on the rivals.com page wearing a TCU shirt was taken down a few days ago.

From other sources, I have heard that drugs are often distributed by football players because (a) they are on steroids and have access to a supply line; and (b) they are on steroids and need to pay for them.
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« Reply #25 on: February 17, 2012, 08:51:10 am »
"All" are given the opportunity to be heard, but none like the result.  What follows?  That is my not simple.  Due Process was violated, discrimination charge.  Rarely is it their "fault."

Also add that there are student groups who work very hard to maintain comprehensive test banks of past tests.  This test bank often becomes the basis of study, rather than the course material provided by the professor.  Is this anything less than cheating?  What about those outside "tutor services" that bring in countless students for pre-exam cram sessions where, simply put, the test is taught? 

Getting up on my soap-box, I can't help but view these actions as a pure by-product of focusing on the result rather than the process.  That is the world we live in.  You either accept that you are handicapping yourself when you play by the rules (focusing on the process and discipline) or embrace "the game". 

I'm not claiming to be perfect but I've done well enough playing by the rules.  I cannot say that it does not bother me watching others pass me in the career advancement line when I know, often first hand, they have used less than honorable means to get ahead.  Twelve years in Corporate America has taught me this and more.  I left to avoid the gravitational pull of such tactics.  I also recognize not many people can find a better work place.  As a result I try not judge those who give in to the cheating or accept it as "the way things work".  It's unfortunate for them, but I have not "walked in their shoes" and cannot know what lead to their decisions. 
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« Reply #26 on: February 17, 2012, 09:45:41 am »
Do college athletes get random drug tests periodically?

from past experience I believe the random part is BS

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« Reply #27 on: February 17, 2012, 10:25:18 am »
I guess the real question is: To what end are college athletes drug tested - randomly or otherwise? If the week before the big game, half the team (or one star player) fails, what happens? Has any college athlete missed a game for failing a drug test?
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« Reply #28 on: February 17, 2012, 10:57:35 am »
I guess the real question is: To what end are college athletes drug tested - randomly or otherwise? If the week before the big game, half the team (or one star player) fails, what happens? Has any college athlete missed a game for failing a drug test?

I never got tested at Sam Houston (or at the JUCO I attended for that matter), only at USL.  I think there was some steroid issues there a couple of years before I arrived on campus, IIRC.  I guess in effort to clean up the program they decided to have all the golfers tested at least once a semester.  No idea the repercussions of a failed test as I did not have any idea what anyone else's results were.

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« Reply #29 on: February 17, 2012, 12:33:42 pm »
Also add that there are student groups who work very hard to maintain comprehensive test banks of past tests.  This test bank often becomes the basis of study, rather than the course material provided by the professor.  Is this anything less than cheating?  What about those outside "tutor services" that bring in countless students for pre-exam cram sessions where, simply put, the test is taught? 

That's rather easily dealt with if the professor isn't so lazy as to use the exact same test each semester. What's more common now is hiring people to take tests and hiring people to write term papers. Lots and lots of foreigners can get a student visa and a masters or PhD and then not be able to get a H11B to work here. They are back in India or where ever, making a few $100 a month with a PhD from a US University. The student gets an assignment to write a term paper with very specific requirements (so he can't get it from a bank of term papers), so he hires this other person to write the paper for him for a few $100. Cheap for the student compared to tuition, a good deal for the person normally making $300/month, and very hard to detect since it is an originally written paper completing detailed specifications.

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« Reply #30 on: February 17, 2012, 12:42:45 pm »
That's rather easily dealt with if the professor isn't so lazy as to use the exact same test each semester. What's more common now is hiring people to take tests and hiring people to write term papers. Lots and lots of foreigners can get a student visa and a masters or PhD and then not be able to get a H11B to work here. They are back in India or where ever, making a few $100 a month with a PhD from a US University. The student gets an assignment to write a term paper with very specific requirements (so he can't get it from a bank of term papers), so he hires this other person to write the paper for him for a few $100. Cheap for the student compared to tuition, a good deal for the person normally making $300/month, and very hard to detect since it is an originally written paper completing detailed specifications.


Test banks are fair game.  Hiring someone else to do the work for you is a whole different story.
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« Reply #31 on: February 17, 2012, 01:12:31 pm »
I guess the real question is: To what end are college athletes drug tested - randomly or otherwise? If the week before the big game, half the team (or one star player) fails, what happens? Has any college athlete missed a game for failing a drug test?

That is up to the coach.  Tech RB Ronnie Daniels missed a game for a failed test last year and then was removed from the team and lost his scholarship when he failed another.  Fairly surprising considering the injuries at that position last season.

On a positive note, he's gotten his act together and has been able to rejoin the team this spring as a walk-on with a chance re-earn his scholarship.

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« Reply #32 on: February 17, 2012, 01:29:41 pm »
Test banks are fair game.  Hiring someone else to do the work for you is a whole different story.

What if you are not among the fortunate that has access to the test bank?  What if you have to have some financial means to join the group which has access to the test bank? 
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« Reply #33 on: February 17, 2012, 01:30:51 pm »
What if you are not among the fortunate that has access to the test bank?  What if you have to have some financial means to join the group which has access to the test bank?  


How is this different than tutoring, buying review guides, not having to work two jobs to go to school so you have more time to study, etc.? Life ain't fair.
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« Reply #34 on: February 17, 2012, 01:34:13 pm »
How is this different than tutoring, buying review guides, not having to work two jobs to go to school so you have more time to study, etc.? Life ain't fair.

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« Reply #35 on: February 17, 2012, 01:43:53 pm »
How is this different than tutoring, buying review guides, not having to work two jobs to go to school so you have more time to study, etc.? Life ain't fair.

I'm not talking about straight up tutoring to understand the material.  I'm not talking about "review guides".  I'm talking about collective efforts to retain past test questions for the sole purpose of passing a test in the future.  This happens in the University and in professional life. 

Life isn't fair, no one said otherwise.  But if you ask me who I want to hire, the guy who studied his ass off and only got a B, or even a C, or the douchebag who bought the answers?  I will give you the same answer every time.  

I spent the last 5 yrs of my career doing the interviewing for my group.  During that time, my boss asked me repeatedly why I would never recommend the perfect resume or the beauty contest winner? If you can't see the difference I am describing then my explanation would be wasted on you.   But in short, anyone can buy the answers to a test or certification exam.  At some point, life becomes about how you got where you are, not just where you are in life. 
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« Reply #36 on: February 17, 2012, 01:48:57 pm »
I'm not talking about straight up tutoring to understand the material.  I'm not talking about "review guides".  I'm talking about collective efforts to retain past test questions for the sole purpose of passing a test in the future.  This happens in the University and in professional life. 

Life isn't fair, no one said otherwise.  But if you ask me who I want to hire, the guy who studied his ass off and only got a B, or even a C, or the douchebag who bought the answers?  I will give you the same answer every time.  

I spent the last 5 yrs of my career doing the interviewing for my group.  During that time, my boss asked me repeatedly why I would never recommend the perfect resume or the beauty contest winner? If you can't see the difference I am describing then my explanation would be wasted on you.   But in short, anyone can buy the answers to a test or certification exam.  At some point, life becomes about how you got where you are, not just where you are in life. 


will you please tell me what a teacher who is even halfass would give the same test year after year? i sure did not. past test questions are nothing more than study guides.
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« Reply #37 on: February 17, 2012, 02:14:45 pm »
The department supplied 20 years of past tests when I took my qualifiers and lots of people still failed that.

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« Reply #38 on: February 17, 2012, 02:21:57 pm »

Life isn't fair, no one said otherwise.  But if you ask me who I want to hire, the guy who studied his ass off and only got a B, or even a C, or the douchebag who bought the answers?  I will give you the same answer every time.  


Reviewing old tests is an effective part of studying one's ass off.  When I was in law school tests from the past few years were generally available, often from the professors themselves.  One would be crazy not review them.
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« Reply #39 on: February 17, 2012, 02:23:17 pm »
I spent the last 5 yrs of my career doing the interviewing for my group.  During that time, my boss asked me repeatedly why I would never recommend the perfect resume or the beauty contest winner? If you can't see the difference I am describing then my explanation would be wasted on you.   But in short, anyone can buy the answers to a test or certification exam.  At some point, life becomes about how you got where you are, not just where you are in life. 

I can see the difference you are describing, but I can't see why you weren't removed from your role as candidate screener.  

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« Reply #40 on: February 17, 2012, 02:32:53 pm »
I can see the difference you are describing, but I can't see why you weren't removed from your role as candidate screener. 

Perhaps he(?) had a good/great ratio of successful hires?
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« Reply #41 on: February 17, 2012, 02:53:10 pm »
Perhaps he(?) had a good/great ratio of successful hires?

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« Reply #42 on: February 17, 2012, 02:55:42 pm »

will you please tell me what a teacher who is even halfass would give the same test year after year? i sure did not. past test questions are nothing more than study guides.

Sadly, A&M - Undergrad Chem 101, 102 & Acct 104/105.  Both were taught this way.  And agreed, half-ass at best.  That said, there were booming businesses across from campus ready to teach you from past tests, which had a pretty strong probability of presenting the same questions that showed up on the exam. 
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« Reply #43 on: February 17, 2012, 03:03:37 pm »
Reviewing old tests is an effective part of studying one's ass off.  When I was in law school tests from the past few years were generally available, often from the professors themselves.  One would be crazy not review them.

This is not the same as what I am describing.  I'm talking about copying questions when the multiple versions were used for large course enrollment (i.e. thousands of students in the same course, same semester) all questions pulled from the same test bank, and re-used semester after semester (which obviously contributes to the problem).  So, say there were 24 class options.  There was exam question overlap class to class, but no two exams were exactly the same. 

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« Reply #44 on: February 17, 2012, 03:09:35 pm »
I spent the last 5 yrs of my career doing the interviewing for my group.  During that time, my boss asked me repeatedly why I would never recommend the perfect resume or the beauty contest winner? If you can't see the difference I am describing then my explanation would be wasted on you.   But in short, anyone can buy the answers to a test or certification exam.  At some point, life becomes about how you got where you are, not just where you are in life. 

I want to make sure I understand. You would 'never recommend' a 'perfect resume' because you assume that the person cheated? Or didn't work hard enough?

Or is it that you assume a person with a 'perfect resume' doesn't fit on your team?

If the particular person story about how they got where they are does match your hiring qualifications, but they also have a 'perfect resume', would that disqualify them? Or would they even get the opportunity to interview?
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« Reply #45 on: February 17, 2012, 03:11:10 pm »
Back to the "life isn't fair" comment with regard to the student who worked part time versus the student who didn't.  I will take that student who worked their way through college, and did reasonably well, versus the one that didn't work and did reasonably well.  

You're right, life isn't fair.  And you rarely get to focus on just one thing.  That person who worked their way through school usually has a far better grasp on their priorities and what they will and will not sacrifice of their personal time.  In short, there tends to be a whole lot less bullshit about their work ethic.  
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Re: TCU Stoned Frogs
« Reply #46 on: February 17, 2012, 03:23:29 pm »
I want to make sure I understand. You would 'never recommend' a 'perfect resume' because you assume that the person cheated? Or didn't work hard enough?

Or is it that you assume a person with a 'perfect resume' doesn't fit on your team?

If the particular person story about how they got where they are does match your hiring qualifications, but they also have a 'perfect resume', would that disqualify them? Or would they even get the opportunity to interview?

I see the confusion, due to my poor choice of words.  Let me try again, to assure you there was no prejudice involved.   First, everyone gets a chance.  I am not THAT kind of asshole, although admit to being AN asshole.  

After the interviews, my boss would ask why I did not choose candidate X, with the perfect resume.  My response was always simple.   A perfect resume (full of clearly stated, off the chart accomplishments accompanied by all the hottest certifications) and a known University degree did not answer all my questions.  It was no coincidence that these were usually the same who were nicely groomed, fit, and pass just about any professional work place stereotype.  Inevitably, the interview would unfold with them really not measuring up to their resume.  

When you get down to it, a job is about what you can do either immediately or eventually.  My selections usually had military or tech school background (UNIX engineer work).  They were competent in their area of work but were self-motivated and professional.  They just didn't look the part or have the perfect resume.  
 
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« Reply #47 on: February 17, 2012, 03:54:43 pm »
When you get down to it, a job is about what you can do either immediately or eventually.  My selections usually had military or tech school background (UNIX engineer work).  They were competent in their area of work but were self-motivated and professional.  They just didn't look the part or have the perfect resume.  

In my experience hiring people, I wasn't worried about the perfect resume, I was just impressed by the guy who showed up to the interview on time, had his shirt tucked in and remembered to shave.
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« Reply #48 on: February 17, 2012, 04:00:33 pm »
Isn't that how you prepare for a bar exam - write answers to questions from past exams?
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« Reply #49 on: February 17, 2012, 04:11:39 pm »
In my experience hiring people, I wasn't worried about the perfect resume, I was just impressed by the guy who showed up to the interview on time, had his shirt tucked in and remembered to shave.

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« Reply #50 on: February 17, 2012, 04:20:16 pm »
I see the confusion, due to my poor choice of words.  Let me try again, to assure you there was no prejudice involved.   First, everyone gets a chance.  I am not THAT kind of asshole, although admit to being AN asshole.  

After the interviews, my boss would ask why I did not choose candidate X, with the perfect resume.  My response was always simple.   A perfect resume (full of clearly stated, off the chart accomplishments accompanied by all the hottest certifications) and a known University degree did not answer all my questions.  It was no coincidence that these were usually the same who were nicely groomed, fit, and pass just about any professional work place stereotype.  Inevitably, the interview would unfold with them really not measuring up to their resume.  

When you get down to it, a job is about what you can do either immediately or eventually.  My selections usually had military or tech school background (UNIX engineer work).  They were competent in their area of work but were self-motivated and professional.  They just didn't look the part or have the perfect resume.  
 

Did 'perfect candidate X' and the eventual hires each have the requisite experience for your job? Or were the jobs entry level?

I am still struggling to understand how you can take a leap from people that are cheating (in every definition of the word), to those that use 'test banks' or other aids, to the people you didn't hire because you felt like they had coasted through life to that point and subsequently wouldn't be properly 'self-motivated'.

It seems like I would want the guy on my team that wasn't too overly self righteous, stubborn, or obtuse to use the test banks- but most likely not the guy who was actually cheating. I would think I would also want the person that was well written and could present their thoughts clearly and concisely- which would be knowledge I could gain from reviewing their resume.

Additionally, finding 'no coincidence' that someone's looks equated to their performance makes your comment that there was no prejudice involved highly suspect.
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« Reply #51 on: February 17, 2012, 08:17:29 pm »
Additionally, finding 'no coincidence' that someone's looks equated to their performance makes your comment that there was no prejudice involved highly suspect.

This is something that just doesn't seem to sink in with the younger folks these days.  Looks ARE important.  I'm sure you think you can do the job just fine by showing up to work at 10:00 in your pajamas or dirty jeans and flip flops.  You may even think it you look cool doing it.  But what you fail to understand is that this is a place of business, and as such, how we present ourselves is important and affects the business.  Yes there are core business hours.  Yes there is a dress code.  No you can't telecommute, no matter how much you think it's "saving the company".  Don't expect a promotion every year, how many CEO's do you think this company has? And no, we don't have a "spring break".
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« Reply #52 on: February 17, 2012, 08:18:23 pm »
This is something that just doesn't seem to sink in with the younger folks these days.  Looks ARE important.  I'm sure you think you can do the job just fine by showing up to work at 10:00 in your pajamas or dirty jeans and flip flops.  You may even think it you look cool doing it.  But what you fail to understand is that this is a place of business, and as such, how we present ourselves is important and affects the business.  Yes there are core business hours.  Yes there is a dress code.  No you can't telecommute, no matter how much you think it's "saving the company".  Don't expect a promotion every year, how many CEO's do you think this company has? And no, we don't have a "spring break".

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« Reply #53 on: February 17, 2012, 08:22:43 pm »
Fuck. This. Shit.

Right.  You're more "creative" when sitting around in your underwear.
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« Reply #54 on: February 17, 2012, 08:35:46 pm »
Right.  You're more "creative" when sitting around in your underwear.

I wrote that post in my underwear as a matter of fact.

I am absolutely terrible at working from home.
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« Reply #55 on: February 17, 2012, 08:39:36 pm »
I wrote that post in my underwear as a matter of fact.

I am absolutely terrible at working from home.

Because you're distracted by all the gay porn?
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« Reply #56 on: February 17, 2012, 08:43:31 pm »
Because you're distracted by all the gay porn?

No, how would that be different from the office?
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« Reply #57 on: February 17, 2012, 08:53:16 pm »
i have never seen gay porn and dont understand
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« Reply #58 on: February 17, 2012, 09:29:50 pm »
i have never seen gay porn and dont understand

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« Reply #59 on: February 17, 2012, 09:32:20 pm »
i have never seen gay porn and dont understand

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« Reply #60 on: February 17, 2012, 09:38:34 pm »
Do yourself a favor and don't start off with Hudson and Bizidy.

You got a problem with BBM?
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