Even worse than moving to the American League

[Ron Brand]

Dublin Dr. Pepper is no more.

I can be downright colorful in my language, but I don't have nearly enough expletives available to express how I feel about this.

[Andyzipp]

I like, love the product, but from what Ive read, they violated their territorial agreements and got more and more brazen about it over the past several years.

[Ron Brand]

I like, love the product, but from what Ive read, they violated their territorial agreements and got more and more brazen about it over the past several years.

Let's not argue about 'oo killed 'oo.

[Gizzmonic]

I like, love the product, but from what Ive read, they violated their territorial agreements and got more and more brazen about it over the past several years.

"Violated territorial agreements"=made a lot of people happy with their superior product

Dr Pepper should have told the other territorial bottlers to pound sand instead of this internecine bullshit.  I'm hoping the real reason behind the lawsuit is Dr Pepper coming out with a nationally-distributed cane sugar version.

PS don't forget to call the Dr Pepper consumer hotline and complain!

[HudsonHawk]

"Violated territorial agreements"=made a lot of people happy with their superior product

Dr Pepper should have told the other territorial bottlers to pound sand instead of this internecine bullshit.  I'm hoping the real reason behind the lawsuit is Dr Pepper coming out with a nationally-distributed cane sugar version.

PS don't forget to call the Dr Pepper consumer hotline and complain!

Right, when you have one employee who violates company policy and the terms of their employment, then tells the boss to stick it up his ass, the proper thing to do is to fire everyone *else* on the staff.  Always.

[HudsonHawk]

I like, love the product, but from what Ive read, they violated their territorial agreements and got more and more brazen about it over the past several years.

The parent company even offered some pretty appeasing settlement ideas long before it got to this point.  The tail basically said "I'm more important than the dog".

[MusicMan]

I like, love the product, but from what Ive read, they violated their territorial agreements and got more and more brazen about it over the past several years.

This.

Right, when you have one employee who violates company policy and the terms of their employment, then tells the boss to stick it up his ass, the proper thing to do is to fire everyone *else* on the staff.  Always.

And this.

[Gizzmonic]

Right, when you have one employee who violates company policy and the terms of their employment, then tells the boss to stick it up his ass, the proper thing to do is to fire everyone *else* on the staff.  Always.

Dublin Dr Pepper showed Dr Pepper that cane sugar Dr Pepper was a very marketable product.  Corporate should be happy for the free market research and extra profit   Instead, they're protecting themselves from getting sued by bottlers that sat around with their thumbs up their asses for years, offering nothing innovative.  An understandable move, but I don't understand how anyone except the bottlers would be happy about it.

[BizidyDizidy]

I don't drink anything sugared so don't have a personal opinion, but thought this was interesting (albeit coke, not dublin dr. pepper):

http://drinks.seriouseats.com/2011/09/the-food-lab-drinks-edition-is-mexican-coke-better-than-regular-coke-coke-taste-test-coke-vs-mexican-coke.html

[HudsonHawk]

Dublin Dr Pepper showed Dr Pepper that cane sugar Dr Pepper was a very marketable product.  Corporate should be happy for the free market research and extra profit   Instead, they're protecting themselves from getting sued by bottlers that sat around with their thumbs up their asses for years, offering nothing innovative.  An understandable move, but I don't understand how anyone except the bottlers would be happy about it.

So you don't see how anyone except the employees who *do* behave themselves would be upset with the renegade who refuses to play by the rules?  Why am I not surprised.

Oh, and you do realize that those bottlers who "sat around on their asses", as you put it, did so because they were contractually obliged to so do?  Not that staying true to your word, let alone a legal contract, means anything to you...

[HudsonHawk]

I don't drink anything sugared so don't have a personal opinion, but thought this was interesting (albeit coke, not dublin dr. pepper):

http://drinks.seriouseats.com/2011/09/the-food-lab-drinks-edition-is-mexican-coke-better-than-regular-coke-coke-taste-test-coke-vs-mexican-coke.html

Out there somewhere are taste test after taste test that clearly demonstrate that people cannot distinguish drinks flavored with cane sugar from those flavored with corn syrup.  But that shouldn't stop the rants.

[Limey]

I don't drink anything sugared so don't have a personal opinion, but thought this was interesting (albeit coke, not dublin dr. pepper):

http://drinks.seriouseats.com/2011/09/the-food-lab-drinks-edition-is-mexican-coke-better-than-regular-coke-coke-taste-test-coke-vs-mexican-coke.html

Kudos for the Lebowski reference:

You want Mexican Coke? I can get you a Mexican Coke. There are ways, believe me. Hell, I could get you a Mexican Coke by 3 o'clock this afternoon, with bottle opener.

[Gizzmonic]

Out there somewhere are taste test after taste test that clearly demonstrate that people cannot distinguish drinks flavored with cane sugar from those flavored with corn syrup.  But that shouldn't stop the rants.

It's stupidly easy to tell the difference if you know what you're looking for.  Corn syrup leaves a sticky residue and aftertaste that sugar does not.  But by all means,  let's rely on unscientific taste tests.  That's what the geniuses at Coca-Cola used to justify New Coke.

[BizidyDizidy]

It's stupidly easy to tell the difference if you know what you're looking for.  Corn syrup leaves a sticky residue and aftertaste that sugar does not.  But by all means,  let's rely on unscientific taste tests.  That's what the geniuses at Coca-Cola used to justify New Coke.

Try a double blind triangle taste test between them - you might be surprised.

[subnuclear]

It's stupidly easy to tell the difference if you know what you're looking for.  Corn syrup leaves a sticky residue and aftertaste that sugar does not.  But by all means,  let's rely on unscientific taste tests.  That's what the geniuses at Coca-Cola used to justify New Coke.

They aren't unscientific, they are testing different things.

In any case, Dr. Pepper makes my hands shake even after one bottle/can.

[Gizzmonic]

So you don't see how anyone except the employees who *do* behave themselves would be upset with the renegade who refuses to play by the rules?  Why am I not surprised.

Oh, and you do realize that those bottlers who "sat around on their asses", as you put it, did so because they were contractually obliged to so do?  Not that staying true to your word, let alone a legal contract, means anything to you...

What sort of corporate toady do you have to be to put franchise agreements ahead of the desire for tastier products?

HH in 1776: "How dare those renegade colonists stop buying our tea!  It's unfair to His Majesty to act like they have the right to set their own taxes!"

And now you're claiming to have read the franchise agreements.  IHBT, I guess.

[Ron Brand]

Corporate wanted Dublin Dr. Pepper to go away and has been working on that for many years. Dublin's success fueled the hubris that ultimately was their downfall. It's a harsh blow for everyone involved.

[BUWebguy]

Worth noting:

A representative for Dr Pepper Snapple Group emphasized that Dr Pepper made with cane sugar will continue to be available.
It just won't be made in Dublin anymore.

http://www.wfaa.com/news/business/Dublins-tearful-farewell-to-DrnbspPepper-137154398.html

[MusicMan]

What sort of corporate toady do you have to be to put franchise agreements ahead of the desire for tastier products?

A "corporate toady" has this strange obligation to maximize his shareholder's profits and protect their legal interests.  It's something grown ups understand, but we seem to be sorely lacking in those these days.

[Ron Brand]

Worth noting:
http://www.wfaa.com/news/business/Dublins-tearful-farewell-to-DrnbspPepper-137154398.html

They're under no obligation to continue to do so, and I've seen conflicting reports about whether or not they'll use the 'original recipe.' They've used the inferior beet sugar as well as licensing others to bottle with Imperial sugar to put pressure on Dublin through the years, so now that they've won, who knows?

[Gizzmonic]

A "corporate toady" has this strange obligation to maximize his shareholder's profits and protect their legal interests.  It's something grown ups understand, but we seem to be sorely lacking in those these days.

HH said he read the franchise agreements, so I'm guessing he's more than a shareholder-perhaps he owns a controlling interest in the Plano Dr Pepper bottler.  Thanks for trotting out that shopworn old chestnut, though.   Cliches are a sure sign of maturity.

Anyway, based on the comments in that article, the Temple/Belton bottler is going to keep making cane sugar Dr Pepper for the foreseeable future, so it's really much ado about nothing at this point.

[Ron Brand]

Anyway, based on the comments in that article, the Temple/Belton bottler is going to keep making cane sugar Dr Pepper for the foreseeable future, so it's really much ado about nothing at this point.

Except for the city of Dublin, which just lost its tourist revenue and a chunk of its identity.

[homer]

What sort of corporate toady do you have to be to put franchise agreements ahead of the desire for tastier products?

HH in 1776: "How dare those renegade colonists stop buying our tea!  It's unfair to His Majesty to act like they have the right to set their own taxes!"

And now you're claiming to have read the franchise agreements.  IHBT, I guess.

violating contracts entered into willingly != denial of basic liberty and freedom

[Gizzmonic]

Except for the city of Dublin, which just lost its tourist revenue and a chunk of its identity.

We'll see if the tourist revenue dries up.  According to the article, the museum stuff is gonna stay.  Anyway, tasty products are my main concern!

[HudsonHawk]

It's stupidly easy to tell the difference if you know what you're looking for.  Corn syrup leaves a sticky residue and aftertaste that sugar does not.  But by all means,  let's rely on unscientific taste tests.  That's what the geniuses at Coca-Cola used to justify New Coke.

Right, rather than relying on objective testing on whether or not people can actually taste the difference, let's just rely on you.

[HudsonHawk]

Corporate wanted Dublin Dr. Pepper to go away and has been working on that for many years. Dublin's success fueled the hubris that ultimately was their downfall. It's a harsh blow for everyone involved.

Completely false.  Corporate wanted Dublin Dr. Pepper to follow the rules. 

[HudsonHawk]

What sort of corporate toady do you have to be to put franchise agreements ahead of the desire for tastier products?

Besides the kind that honors their contractual obligations?  You have to be the kind that wants to make the most money for the company and its investors. 

[Ron Brand]

Completely false.  Corporate wanted Dublin Dr. Pepper to follow the rules. 

That might have been the case sorta recently, when Dublin was shipping outside their territory, but before there was a marked campaign to pressure them by adding similar products to market to reduce demand and bring them to heel for embarrassing corporate by flaunting their product. That turned into this uneasy detente that got kicked up again with new ownership and even more liberties taken by Dublin.

[HudsonHawk]

That might have been the case sorta recently, when Dublin was shipping outside their territory, but before there was a marked campaign to pressure them by adding similar products to market to reduce demand and bring them to heel for embarrassing corporate by flaunting their product. That turned into this uneasy detente that got kicked up again with new ownership and even more liberties taken by Dublin.

First, it isn't "their" product.  It's Dr Pepper's product.  The Dublin bottling plant simply bought the product from the manufacturer in Temple and rebranded with an unapproved logo.  Secondly, all Dr Pepper wanted was Dublin to use approved logos in their bottling and sell it only within their agreed to territory.  Dublin was attempting to distinguish their branded product as something different than and that was not available anywhere else, thereby damaging the sales of other distributors, when in fact that is not the case.  Dublin had no leg to stand on, not legally nor ethically. 

[Gizzmonic]

Right, rather than relying on objective testing on whether or not people can actually taste the difference, let's just rely on you.

Finally we can agree on something!

Besides the kind that honors their contractual obligations?  You have to be the kind that wants to make the most money for the company and its investors.  

So Apple Computer should have never started selling music in contravention of their agreement with Apple Corps?  There's another law that's more important than any contract: the law of supply and demand!  

First, it isn't "their" product.  It's Dr Pepper's product.  The Dublin bottling plant simply bought the product from the manufacturer in Temple and rebranded with an unapproved logo.  Secondly, all Dr Pepper wanted was Dublin to use approved logos in their bottling and sell it only within their agreed to territory.  Dublin was attempting to distinguish their branded product as something different than and that was not available anywhere else, thereby damaging the sales of other distributors, when in fact that is not the case.  Dublin had no leg to stand on, not legally nor ethically.  

I agree except for your statements that their product was available somewhere else.  Except for the Temple/Belton plant, cane sugar Dr P is not available anywhere near Texas (I think there are maybe 3 out of hundreds of bottlers that use sugar).  It's pretty weak to say they were hurting other distributors.  Anyway, so long as they keep making the sugar Dr Pepper I care not!

[HudsonHawk]

I agree except for your statements that their product was available somewhere else.  Except for the Temple/Belton plant, cane sugar Dr P is not available anywhere near Texas (I think there are maybe 3 out of hundreds of bottlers that use sugar).  It's pretty weak to say they were hurting other distributors.  Anyway, so long as they keep making the sugar Dr Pepper I care not!

Dr Pepper made with cane sugar is available all over Texas.  I can go down to HEB and buy as much as I want.  It's the EXACT same stuff sold in Dublin.  Secondly, that's irrelevant.  Dublin violated their contract in making false claims using unauthorized logos with the specific intent of financial gain at the expense of those who are abiding by the contract.  This is a no-brainer, shame on Dublin, they got what they deserved, case.

[Bench]

Dr Pepper made with cane sugar is available all over Texas.  I can go down to HEB and buy as much as I want.  It's the EXACT same stuff sold in Dublin.  Secondly, that's irrelevant.  Dublin violated their contract in making false claims using unauthorized logos with the specific intent of financial gain at the expense of those who are abiding by the contract.  This is a no-brainer, shame on Dublin, they got what they deserved, case.

I thought the fact that it was available at your HEB was the problem. 

[HudsonHawk]

I thought the fact that it was available at your HEB was the problem.  

No, the problem is that there is a renegade distributor in Dublin who is re-branding the stuff as their own then selling it outside of their agreed upon distribution territory.  The issue has never been about the formula.  It's about the logo and the distribution territory.

[Ron Brand]

I can't get into a bunch of semantic clarifications when I'm using my phone to post. It just pisses me off. Suffice it to say that I think we're essentially in agreement with some minor quibbles. Dublin shouldn't have pushed the envelope the way they did, and this messy outcome wasn't at all necessary.

[Bench]

No, the problem is that there is a renegade distributor in Dublin who is re-branding the stuff as their own then selling it outside of their agreed upon distribution territory.  The issue has never been about the formula.  It's about the logo and the distribution territory.

Oh.  Well, as long as imperial cane sugar Dr. Pepper is still widely available throughout Texas, I really don't care

[HudsonHawk]

Oh.  Well, as long as imperial cane sugar Dr. Pepper is still widely available throughout Texas, I really don't care

What if it's made by cane sugar not of the Imperial brand?

[Ron Brand]

What if it's made by cane sugar not of the Imperial brand?

Don't be sneaking that damn beet sugar in there.

[HudsonHawk]

Don't be sneaking that damn beet sugar in there.

I meant cane sugar that's not Imperial brand.  Or can some people claim to be able to tell whether their Dr Pepper was sweetened with Imperial brand cane sugar or Dixie Crystal brand?  

As for beet sugar...most folks can't tell the difference between cane sugar and HFCS, which are different compounds.  Sugar from cane and beets actually ARE the same thing, so I'm betting there's even less of a difference.  

[BizidyDizidy]

I meant cane sugar that's not Imperial brand.  Or can some people claim to be able to tell whether their Dr Pepper was sweetened with Imperial brand cane sugar or Dixie Crystal brand?  

As for beet sugar...most folks can't tell the difference between cane sugar and HFCS, which are different compounds.  Sugar from cane and beets actually ARE the same thing, so I'm betting there's even less of a difference.  

Sucrose is pretty much sucrose (equal parts glucose and fructose in solution). HFCS is just 55-45 fructose and glucose, so it's not that different. Also, in at least some experiments it's not just that people can't tell, it's they they actively choose HFCS (fructose tastes a bit sweeter than glucose).

[BizidyDizidy]

All you cane sugar evangelists - try this tonight.

1) Buy HFCS Dr. Peppers and Cane Sugar Dr. Pepper.
2) Have someone label 3 cups, A-B-C
3) Same person fills two cups with one of the sodas, and 1 with the other
4) A different person (who didn't see them being filled), brings you the three cups.
5) Taste all three. State which two are the same, and then which you prefer.

Repeat total of 5 times.

If you pick the right odd one out and prefer the cane sugar 4 out of 5 times, I will eat a bug.

[HudsonHawk]

All you cane sugar evangelists - try this tonight.

1) Buy HFCS Dr. Peppers and Cane Sugar Dr. Pepper.
2) Have someone label 3 cups, A-B-C
3) Same person fills two cups with one of the sodas, and 1 with the other
4) A different person (who didn't see them being filled), brings you the three cups.
5) Taste all three. State which two are the same, and then which you prefer.

Repeat total of 5 times.

If you pick the right odd one out and prefer the cane sugar 4 out of 5 times, I will eat a bug.

Do I get to pick the bug?

[BizidyDizidy]

Do I get to pick the bug?

It has to be smaller than a quarter.

[Gizzmonic]

All you cane sugar evangelists - try this tonight.

1) Buy HFCS Dr. Peppers and Cane Sugar Dr. Pepper.
2) Have someone label 3 cups, A-B-C
3) Same person fills two cups with one of the sodas, and 1 with the other
4) A different person (who didn't see them being filled), brings you the three cups.
5) Taste all three. State which two are the same, and then which you prefer.

Repeat total of 5 times.

If you pick the right odd one out and prefer the cane sugar 4 out of 5 times, I will eat a bug.

I could win that bet.  With Dr Pepper and/or Pepsi it's very easy.  I'm not so sure I could do it with Coke.

[Waldo]

It has to be smaller than a quarter.

Better make it a spider.  There's TZ precedent for that.

[strosrays]

All you cane sugar evangelists - try this tonight.

1) Buy HFCS Dr. Peppers and Cane Sugar Dr. Pepper.
2) Have someone label 3 cups, A-B-C
3) Same person fills two cups with one of the sodas, and 1 with the other
4) A different person (who didn't see them being filled), brings you the three cups.
5) Taste all three. State which two are the same, and then which you prefer.

Repeat total of 5 times.

If you pick the right odd one out and prefer the cane sugar 4 out of 5 times, I will eat a bug.

I remember when Jolt Cola tried to switch from cane sugar to corn syrup and not tell anyone.  The difference was pretty much immediately obvious.  The corn syrup version literally tasted like crap.

[BizidyDizidy]

I remember when Jolt Cola tried to switch from cane sugar to corn syrup and not tell anyone.  The difference was pretty much immediately obvious.  The corn syrup version literally tasted like crap.

Maybe I like bugs

[Trey]

I remember when Jolt Cola tried to switch from cane sugar to corn syrup and not tell anyone.  The difference was pretty much immediately obvious.  The corn syrup version literally tasted like crap.

{old joke}How do you know what crap tastes like?{/old joke}

[EasTexAstro]

I don't drink too many sweetened drinks, but I do get headaches after drinking the HFCS drinks. I have no idea why. I do buy the Imperial sugar Dr Peppers (Dublin or not), and St Arnolds root beer. It makes a difference to me. It may be because I rarely (once every month or two) drink a sweetened drink.

[strosrays]

I've seen Mexican cokes sold individually in bottles in the local grocery stores for years.  I guess the local Coca-Cola bottler doesn't mind it so much.

I recently noticed Cokes branded as "Mexican Coca-Cola" being sold in shrink-wrapped cases of 20 or 24 tewlve oz-ish bottles now at Sams Club.  This may not be new, but I haven't noticed it before.  

[HudsonHawk]

I've seen Mexican cokes sold individually in bottles in the local grocery stores for years.  I guess the local Coca-Cola bottler doesn't mind it so much.

Probably because the product is still branded as "Coca Cola" and uses the agreed upon logo. This is the central issue with Dr Pepper v. Dublin.  From what I've heard, Dr Pepper even told Dublin "look, just use the agreed upon logo, and we'll look the other way on the distribution thing".  Dublin said "fuck you, boss".

[chuck]

Oh.  Well, as long as imperial cane sugar Dr. Pepper is still widely available throughout Texas, I really don't care

If you're mixing Ron Abuelo with Dr Pepper I certainly hope it is the cane sugar variety.

[Bench]

If you're mixing Ron Abuelo with Dr Pepper I certainly hope it is the cane sugar variety.

Imperial cane sugar, at that.

[austro]

Imperialist cane sugar, at that.

FIFY.

[Ron Brand]

If you're mixing Ron Abuelo with Dr Pepper I certainly hope it is the cane sugar variety.

Worst hangover, by far that I ever had was mixing most of a fifth of El Presidente brandy with HFCS Dr. Pepper. Ow.

[chuck]

Worst hangover, by far that I ever had was mixing most of a fifth of El Presidente brandy with HFCS Dr. Pepper. Ow.

Brandy and Dr Pepper? Fuck me, you deserved every bit of that.

[MusicMan]

So Apple Computer should have never started selling music in contravention of their agreement with Apple Corps?  There's another law that's more important than any contract: the law of supply and demand! 

Seldom has so much fail been so encapsulated in two sentences.

[Ron Brand]

Brandy and Dr Pepper? Fuck me, you deserved every bit of that.

Oh, I did. I definitely did. We were jamming, trying out a new drummer and I just got more and more hammered as we went along, to the point where I couldn't even play any more and we just sat around and listened to Maggot Brain over and over. I learned a few lessons that night.

[chuck]

Oh, I did. I definitely did. We were jamming, trying out a new drummer and I just got more and more hammered as we went along, to the point where I couldn't even play any more and we just sat around and listened to Maggot Brain over and over. I learned a few lessons that night.

I've endured enough drummer auditions to know that sometimes getting hammered is the most attractive palliative.

[Duke]

palliative.

See this right here.  If nothing else I can point to the expansion of my vocabulary as an advantage to hanging around this site all day.

[HudsonHawk]

See this right here.  If nothing else I can point to the expansion of my vocabulary as an advantage to hanging around this site all day.

Chuck uses his tongue purtier than a twenty dollar whore.

[Limey]

I don't drink too many sweetened drinks, but I do get headaches after drinking the HFCS drinks. I have no idea why. I do buy the Imperial sugar Dr Peppers (Dublin or not), and St Arnolds root beer. It makes a difference to me. It may be because I rarely (once every month or two) drink a sweetened drink.

i presume you usually drink unsweet tea...

[Limey]

See this right here.  If nothing else I can point to the expansion of my vocabulary as an advantage to hanging around this site all day.

Today's word is Triskaidekaphobia.

[HudsonHawk]

i presume you usually drink unsweet tea...

You sir, are a rabble rouser.

[S.P. Rodriguez]

I don't drink too many sweetened drinks, but I do get headaches after drinking the HFCS drinks. I have no idea why. I do buy the Imperial sugar Dr Peppers (Dublin or not), and St Arnolds root beer. It makes a difference to me. It may be because I rarely (once every month or two) drink a sweetened drink.

Runs in my family, due to food alergies.

[BizidyDizidy]

Runs in my family, due to food alergies.

It is nonsensical to have a food allergy to HFCS, but not cane sugar.

[HudsonHawk]

It is nonsensical to have a food allergy to HFCS, but not cane sugar.

Shhhhhh...

[Andyzipp]

i presume you usually drink unsweet tea...

There's no such th...nevermind.

[Duke]

Today's word is Triskaidekaphobia.

Timely and informative.  SnS has it all!

[Ron Brand]

There's no such th...nevermind.

I'd post, but I crushed my phone in some kind of nervous twitch...

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

I'm looking for a place that sells a good cup of undecaffinated joe.

[HudsonHawk]

I'm looking for a place that sells a good cup of undecaffinated joe.

I wonder if Ron objects to "black" coffee with the same enthusiasm...

[Ron Brand]

I wonder if Ron objects to "black" coffee with the same enthusiasm...

If they'd just ask if I wanted 'unsweetened' I wouldn't mind nearly so much...

[S.P. Rodriguez]

It is nonsensical to have a food allergy to HFCS, but not cane sugar.

I'll pass that on to my brother who gets a migraine from regular soft drinks, corn chips, etc... but doesn't from diet soft drinks or regular sugar. 

[HudsonHawk]

I'll pass that on to my brother who gets a migraine from regular soft drinks, corn chips, etc... but doesn't from diet soft drinks or regular sugar. 

When are people going to realize that seeing a doctor is just a scam.  The medical advice you get from untrained posters on baseball message boards is far more reliable.  And cheaper.

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

I think I'm allergic to raking cottonwood leaves because it gives me exercise induced asthma and I always feel tired and have sore muscles afterward.

[austro]

I think I'm allergic to raking cottonwood leaves because it gives me exercise induced asthma and I always feel tired and have sore muscles afterward.

Life at the Slack Shack is very taxing.

[BizidyDizidy]

I'll pass that on to my brother who gets a migraine from regular soft drinks, corn chips, etc... but doesn't from diet soft drinks or regular sugar. 

He should be relieved to know that it's all in his head.

[Limey]

If they'd just ask if I wanted 'unsweetened' I wouldn't mind nearly so much...

I chuckle to myself every time I hit our in-building deli.  Their tea is billed as "unsweetend".

[NeilT]

I chuckle to myself every time I hit our in-building deli.  Their tea is billed as "unsweetend".

I think I'd roll it over.