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« on: October 04, 2011, 10:22:26 am »
Dog 'n' pony show kicks off at noon CDT.  Opinion is still split as to whether we'll see an iPhone 5 or an iPhone 4S, with the difference being a redesigned form or simply upgraded internals.  The A5 chip from the iPad 2 is almost a certainty, which will make the iPhone blazingly fast by comparison with the 4 and older models - particularly for graphics.  The first 64GB model is also expected.

The new operating system, iOS5 has been extensively showcased by Apple already - especially the iCloud service.  The "one more thing" expected is an "Assistant", which is the long-awaited integration of the technology acquired by Apple when they swallowed up Siri - whose current assistant app remains on the App Store for now.  Basically, it is supposedly going to allow you to converse with your phone a la Star Trek (FTR, this is not an official Apple demo, but a guess as to functionality by an Apple geek).  I say this is long-awaited, because the Siri app had certain conversational ability, and Apple snaffled up the company in 2010.  Here's hoping that, from the inside of the beast, the Siri guys have got this technology right.

Apple are expected to continue to offer the iPhone 4 at discounted prices, and some even expect that an 8GB 3GS will be available as a free unit from some carriers.  My 3GS is getting very long in the bluetooth.  I'm hoping that they have, at least, cured the death grip problem with the 4, so that I can get a new one when they come out on the expected release date of the 14th.
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« Reply #1 on: October 04, 2011, 10:31:05 am »
Announce a 5.0 64GB on Sprint and I'm buying.
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« Reply #2 on: October 04, 2011, 10:46:13 am »
 I'm hoping that they have, at least, cured the death grip problem with the 4, so that I can get a new one when they come out on the expected release date of the 14th.

Death grip problem?
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« Reply #3 on: October 04, 2011, 10:59:52 am »
Death grip problem?

If you hold the phone a certain way, the integrated antenna around the edges loses its effectiveness.
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« Reply #4 on: October 04, 2011, 11:13:46 am »
If you hold the phone a certain way, the integrated antenna around the edges loses its effectiveness.

Never heard of that.  Mine's never been a problem.
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« Reply #5 on: October 04, 2011, 11:14:36 am »
If you hold the phone a certain way, the integrated antenna around the edges loses its effectiveness.

Bingo!  It was "cured" by dressing the phone in one of Apple's butt-ugly rubber bumpers, but could have been cured at the manufacturing stage by applying a clear plastic coating over the antennae.
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« Reply #6 on: October 04, 2011, 11:16:15 am »
Never heard of that.  Mine's never been a problem.

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« Reply #7 on: October 04, 2011, 11:20:02 am »
Never heard of that.  Mine's never been a problem.

It was widespread, but not all-pervasive.  Steve Jobs' initial response was "You're holding it wrong."

The band around the phone is actually two individual antennae - one for GSM and one for WiFi - separated by the little black notches.  If your manner of holding the phone means that your skin is touching both antennae at the same time, you may lose signal due to the grounding across your hand.
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« Reply #8 on: October 04, 2011, 11:21:11 am »
It was widespread, but not all-pervasive.  Steve Jobs' initial response was "You're holding it wrong."

The band around the phone is actually two individual antennae - one for GSM and one for WiFi - separated by the little black notches.  If your manner of holding the phone means that your skin is touching both antennae at the same time, you may lose signal due to the grounding across your hand.

So since I never use mine outside of its Otterbox, it's not been an issue?
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« Reply #9 on: October 04, 2011, 11:27:27 am »
So since I never use mine outside of its Otterbox, it's not been an issue?

WTF's an otterbox?

There's a British euphemism: wetter than an otter's pocket.  Similar?
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« Reply #10 on: October 04, 2011, 11:29:09 am »
Announce a 5.0 64GB on Sprint and I'm buying.

WSJ has confirmed that Sprint is a new carrier.  Agreed to buy over 3M iPhones (of whatever type) through 2014.
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« Reply #11 on: October 04, 2011, 11:33:44 am »
Announce a 5.0 64GB on Sprint and I'm buying.

There are rumours that Sprint is guaranteeing $20bn in iPhone sales in return for getting the device on its network.  This, in conjunction with expectations that the new model will have a universal cell phone chip capable of operating on any type of network, means that there will be no hardware impediment to Sprint carrying the iPhone...
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« Reply #12 on: October 04, 2011, 11:34:32 am »
WSJ has confirmed that Sprint is a new carrier.  Agreed to buy over 3M iPhones (of whatever type) through 2014.

I'm claiming the Cabrera on this one, as mine included a link.
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« Reply #13 on: October 04, 2011, 11:40:47 am »
I'm claiming the Cabrera on this one, as mine included a link.

I don't need no stinking links.
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« Reply #14 on: October 04, 2011, 11:42:35 am »
I don't need no stinking links.

Really?  You missed the number of phones Sprint promised to buy by a factor of 10.
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« Reply #15 on: October 04, 2011, 11:45:07 am »
Really?  You missed the number of phones Sprint promised to buy by a factor of 10.

I'm auditioning for Fox.
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« Reply #16 on: October 04, 2011, 11:46:20 am »
I'm auditioning for Fox.

You are nowhere near pretty enough to be a Fox NewsModel.
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« Reply #17 on: October 04, 2011, 11:47:37 am »
I'm auditioning for Fox.

You aren't blond and cute....or drooling...
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« Reply #18 on: October 04, 2011, 11:48:13 am »
You are nowhere near pretty enough to be a Fox NewsModel.

Crap....less than a second.
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« Reply #19 on: October 04, 2011, 11:53:25 am »
You aren't blond and cute....or drooling...

Yes, no, yes.
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« Reply #20 on: October 04, 2011, 12:11:11 pm »
There are rumours that Sprint is guaranteeing $20bn in iPhone sales in return for getting the device on its network.  This, in conjunction with expectations that the new model will have a universal cell phone chip capable of operating on any type of network, means that there will be no hardware impediment to Sprint carrying the iPhone...

What hardware impediment would that be?  There is already a CDMA iPhone (Verizon) and dual-band "world phones" are not new, if not exactly common.

If Sprint gets the iPhone it will be interesting to see if it will support WiMAX.

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« Reply #21 on: October 04, 2011, 12:20:14 pm »
WTF's an otterbox?

There's a British euphemism: wetter than an otter's pocket.  Similar?

http://www.otterbox.com/on/demandware.store/Sites-otterbox_us-Site?cid=GOOTT11&gclid=CPjS_eTEz6sCFRFR7AodTEc_VA

Best.  iPhone.  Case.  Ever.
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« Reply #22 on: October 04, 2011, 12:38:05 pm »
30+ minutes in, and the first new news of the day:  iOS5 drops on October 12th.
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« Reply #23 on: October 04, 2011, 12:44:46 pm »
30+ minutes in, and the first new news of the day:  iOS5 drops on October 12th.

That, and for some reason Apple is trying to prop up the US Postal Service
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« Reply #24 on: October 04, 2011, 12:49:42 pm »
30+ minutes in, and the first new news of the day:  iOS5 drops on October 12th.

iCloud goes live the same day.  iTunes Match by the end of the month.
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« Reply #25 on: October 04, 2011, 12:54:16 pm »
What hardware impediment would that be?  There is already a CDMA iPhone (Verizon) and dual-band "world phones" are not new, if not exactly common.

If Sprint gets the iPhone it will be interesting to see if it will support WiMAX.

My understanding is that the new iPhone will have a cell phone chip that works on any network - instead of the split GSM/CDMA models currently.  That way, iPhones can migrate across networks at will, instead of Verizon iPhones only working on Verizon etc.
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« Reply #26 on: October 04, 2011, 12:56:10 pm »
iPod Nano to have "Nike+" abilities built in.

Also, available as a watch.  Apple designers love their vintage sci-fi!!
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« Reply #27 on: October 04, 2011, 12:57:01 pm »
30+ minutes in, and the first new news of the day:  iOS5 drops on October 12th.

As does Limey's balls. Again, I am assuming.
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« Reply #28 on: October 04, 2011, 12:58:46 pm »
iPhone 4S confirmed.  A5 chip confirmed, claiming 2x faster than the old chip.  Wow!

ETA:  2x faster chip, but dual core makes it 7x faster overall.  Double-Wow!
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« Reply #29 on: October 04, 2011, 01:00:13 pm »
iPhone 4S confirmed.  A5 chip confirmed, claiming 2x faster than the old chip.  Wow!

As a shareholder, shouldn't your primary concern be that whatever is being announced today should be obsolete a year from now?  You don't want them to outpace their growth.
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« Reply #30 on: October 04, 2011, 01:00:58 pm »
December 1 release date.
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« Reply #31 on: October 04, 2011, 01:02:15 pm »
December 1 release date.

...for the game they just demoed.

And to correct, the A5 has a 2x faster CPU, but dual core graphics make graphics 7x faster - better for gaming (hence the game demo).
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« Reply #32 on: October 04, 2011, 01:03:52 pm »
iPhone 4S confirmed.  A5 chip confirmed, claiming 2x faster than the old chip.  Wow!

ETA:  2x faster chip, but dual core makes it 7x faster overall.  Double-Wow!

No 5?
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« Reply #33 on: October 04, 2011, 01:04:07 pm »
2x HSDPA download speed (14.4 Mbps up from 7.2).
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« Reply #34 on: October 04, 2011, 01:04:10 pm »
Doesnt sound like there is a 5
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« Reply #35 on: October 04, 2011, 01:04:49 pm »
No 5?

Nope.  Same case, but all new internals.
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« Reply #36 on: October 04, 2011, 01:05:12 pm »
Doesnt sound like there is a 5

No, it goes to 11.
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« Reply #37 on: October 04, 2011, 01:05:41 pm »
Confirmed: same phone will work on GSM and CDMA networks.
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« Reply #38 on: October 04, 2011, 01:06:04 pm »
Nope.  Same case, but all new internals.

At least give me 64GB
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« Reply #39 on: October 04, 2011, 01:08:06 pm »
At least give me 64GB

Not there yet...

New camera, 8MP with backlit something or other.  Gadgillions better than the old one.


ETA:  Also way faster to the 1st shot, and shot to shot, than android competitors.

...and 1080p video, with image stabilization.
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« Reply #40 on: October 04, 2011, 01:18:46 pm »
MSNBC's technology page has crashed under this traffic.
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« Reply #41 on: October 04, 2011, 01:20:11 pm »
Now talking Siri - which appears to be the name of the voice assistant app.  Examples:

"Wake me up tomorrow at 6am." Siri responds "Okay, I set it for 6am."

"What time is it in Paris?" Siri responds: "The time in Paris, France is 8:16pm." Siri also brings up a live clock.

 "Do I need a raincoat today?" Siri responds "It sure looks like rain today."
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« Reply #42 on: October 04, 2011, 01:21:24 pm »
MSNBC's technology page has crashed under this traffic.

I'm following along with the acerbically-witted geeks at Engadget.  Mostly stable, with the occasional crap-out.
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« Reply #43 on: October 04, 2011, 01:23:25 pm »
MSNBC's technology page has crashed under this traffic.

Why am I not surprised:

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« Reply #44 on: October 04, 2011, 01:25:51 pm »
Siri demo includes the app reading an email (about lunch on Friday), dude has Siri check his diary - it's clear - then he dictates a reply and creates a calendar appointment all with spoken "real English" instructions.  Apparently, there's no need for app-specific syntax.

This looks pretty sweet.  If they integrate this into a BMW, I may never leave the house my car.
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« Reply #45 on: October 04, 2011, 01:27:26 pm »
Dude just told Siri "Remind me to call my wife when I leave work", and it set up a reminder with a geofence around work, so that when he steps outside the boundary it will ping him.
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« Reply #46 on: October 04, 2011, 01:30:12 pm »
Dude just told Siri "Remind me to call my wife when I leave work", and it set up a reminder with a geofence around work, so that when he steps outside the boundary it will ping him.

As long as it does not ping her when he steps outside the boundary it'll probably be okay...
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« Reply #47 on: October 04, 2011, 01:31:47 pm »
It's about time.  Apple bought Siri in April 2010.  Although I think it's a nice touch to keep the Siri name, rather than changing it to "Assistant".

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« Reply #48 on: October 04, 2011, 01:31:49 pm »
As long as it does not ping her when he steps outside the boundary it'll probably be okay...

New iPhone has location sharing, allowing you to share your location with certain people at certain times.  I recommend that no one ever let anyone track their location.  They gave examples of when it might be useful, but still...
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« Reply #49 on: October 04, 2011, 01:33:14 pm »
It's about time.  Apple bought Siri in April 2010.  Although I think it's a nice touch to keep the Siri name, rather than changing it to "Assistant".

iPhone can now be dictated to straight out of the box, but it gets better as it learns your voice.  Bidibidibidi.
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« Reply #50 on: October 04, 2011, 01:33:56 pm »
New iPhone has location sharing, allowing you to share your location with certain people at certain times.  I recommend that no one ever let anyone track their location.  They gave examples of when it might be useful, but still...

I'm guessing we'll have at least one divorce citing that feature before Christmas.
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« Reply #51 on: October 04, 2011, 01:34:18 pm »
New iPhone has location sharing, allowing you to share your location with certain people at certain times.  I recommend that no one ever let anyone track their location.  They gave examples of when it might be useful, but still...

Hackers everywhere are exulting. What's the over/under on how long it takes somebody to crack this and command your phone to share your location?
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« Reply #52 on: October 04, 2011, 01:35:10 pm »
Antenna design appears to be that of the Verizon model 4, which I believe had no death grip problem.
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« Reply #53 on: October 04, 2011, 01:35:13 pm »
It's about time.  Apple bought Siri in April 2010.  Although I think it's a nice touch to keep the Siri name, rather than changing it to "Assistant".

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« Reply #55 on: October 04, 2011, 01:37:21 pm »
And there's the 64GB.  Just don't release a 5 in three months, damnit.
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« Reply #56 on: October 04, 2011, 01:37:43 pm »
HERE WE GO!!!!

Pre-orders start Friday.  Release date the 14th.

16GB = $200
32GB = $300
64GB = $400

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« Reply #57 on: October 04, 2011, 01:39:04 pm »
And there's the 64GB.  Just don't release a 5 in three months, damnit.

...and it's on Sprint.  Welcome aboard, brother.
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« Reply #58 on: October 04, 2011, 01:41:17 pm »
iPod Nano to have "Nike+" abilities built in.

Ok...riddle me this...just what the hell is "Nike+"?  I've seen it on my iPhone and have tried to get rid of it, as I have a personal thing against all things Nike.  But I don't know what it is or what it does.
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« Reply #59 on: October 04, 2011, 01:41:46 pm »
Ok...riddle me this...just what the hell is "Nike+"?  I've seen it on my iPhone and have tried to get rid of it, as I have a personal thing against all things Nike.  But I don't know what it is or what it does.

Applies to exercising, doesn't pertain to you.
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« Reply #60 on: October 04, 2011, 01:42:22 pm »
Ok...riddle me this...just what the hell is "Nike+"?  I've seen it on my iPhone and have tried to get rid of it, as I have a personal thing against all things Nike.  But I don't know what it is or what it does.

Wife loves it.  Put it in your shoe and it reports to your touch/nano how fast you're running, coordinates pace, etc.
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« Reply #61 on: October 04, 2011, 01:43:03 pm »
Ok...riddle me this...just what the hell is "Nike+"?  I've seen it on my iPhone and have tried to get rid of it, as I have a personal thing against all things Nike.  But I don't know what it is or what it does.

Facny-ish pedometer.  Tracks duration and distance of activity.  Purports to calculate exertion, by way of calories burnt, but it's an estimate based on age/height/weight.

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« Reply #62 on: October 04, 2011, 01:43:03 pm »
Wife loves it.  Put it in your shoe and it reports to your touch/nano how fast you're running, coordinates pace, etc.

You're shittin' me, right?
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« Reply #63 on: October 04, 2011, 01:43:13 pm »
Ok...riddle me this...just what the hell is "Nike+"?  I've seen it on my iPhone and have tried to get rid of it, as I have a personal thing against all things Nike.  But I don't know what it is or what it does.

It's an app to track how far you run, how fast, and record it in a personal log.

O r so I would understand, if I ever exercised.
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« Reply #64 on: October 04, 2011, 01:44:08 pm »
Wife loves it.  Put it in your shoe and it reports to your touch/nano how fast you're running, coordinates pace, etc.

Built into the Nano now, no need for a shoe dongle.
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« Reply #65 on: October 04, 2011, 01:44:12 pm »
It's an app to track how far you run, how fast, and record it in a personal log.

O r so I would understand, if I ever exercised.

Why in God's name would I put my iPhone in my shoe when I run?
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« Reply #66 on: October 04, 2011, 01:45:38 pm »
Why in God's name would I put my iPhone in my shoe when I run?

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« Reply #67 on: October 04, 2011, 01:45:46 pm »
Why in God's name would I put my iPhone in my shoe when I run?

Nano did not have gyros in it, so you needed a dongle on your shoe to tell it what was going on. now that's built in (like it is with the iPhone and iPod Touch), so the only change is that there's no shoe dongle.
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« Reply #68 on: October 04, 2011, 01:48:08 pm »
Two words: Maxwell Smart.

They have now caught up to Star Trek; TNG, with the iPad and a CPU you can have conversations with.  A Nano with a wristband is one step away - a phone chip - from Dick Tracy's talking watch.
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« Reply #69 on: October 04, 2011, 01:51:34 pm »
I've hated every voice-computer interaction I've ever had. Ditto for natural language interactions. Though I wouldn't put it pass Apple to make it work.

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« Reply #70 on: October 04, 2011, 01:53:03 pm »
Nano did not have gyros in it, so you needed a dongle on your shoe to tell it what was going on. now that's built in (like it is with the iPhone and iPod Touch), so the only change is that there's no shoe dongle.

So again...why would I want to put my iPhone in my shoe when I run?
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« Reply #71 on: October 04, 2011, 01:53:21 pm »
I've hated every voice-computer interaction I've ever had. Ditto for natural language interactions. Though I wouldn't put it pass Apple to make it work.

Engadget guys seemed very impressed.  And they're Android users.  BMW's voice system is decent - especially for getting real names - but you need to know the appropriate command syntax for what you want.  Siri supposedly allows you to talk naturally to it, and it will figure it out or ask a question.  My BMW just does the wrong thing when confused.
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« Reply #72 on: October 04, 2011, 01:53:29 pm »
They have now caught up to Star Trek; TNG, with the iPad and a CPU you can have conversations with.  A Nano with a wristband is one step away - a phone chip - from Dick Tracy's talking watch.

We live in the future.  Mrs Pete and I have talked about how so many things we thought of as the future back in the day are real:  doors that open when you walk up to them, personal communicators, etc.
The one thing that I find interesting is the video phone.  I remember being a wee lad in the early 70s and there was some Exhibit of the Future thing and they had these terminals that simulated video phones.  I find it funny that it was a big deal to those of us of a certain age (in the same realm as flying cars, really), but now that we have phones with video cameras, video chat on computers, folks don't really care.  That's so cool.  The future happened, and everyone is "meh" about some of it.

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« Reply #73 on: October 04, 2011, 01:54:58 pm »
We live in the future.  Mrs Pete and I have talked about how so many things we thought of as the future back in the day are real:  doors that open when you walk up to them, personal communicators, etc.
The one thing that I find interesting is the video phone.  I remember being a wee lad in the early 70s and there was some Exhibit of the Future thing and they had these terminals that simulated video phones.  I find it funny that it was a big deal to those of us of a certain age (in the same realm as flying cars, really), but now that we have phones with video cameras, video chat on computers, folks don't really care.  That's so cool.  The future happened, and everyone is "meh" about some of it.

Let me know when they perfect the holodeck.  You'll have a hard time convincing me that I should be anywhere other than getting a rubdown from Scarlett Johannson and her simulated twin sister.
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« Reply #74 on: October 04, 2011, 01:55:29 pm »
So again...why would I want to put my iPhone in my shoe when I run?

You only need to bring your iPhone with you, not put it in your shoe.
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« Reply #75 on: October 04, 2011, 01:56:07 pm »
Let me know when they perfect the holodeck.  You'll have a hard time convincing me that I should be anywhere other than getting a rubdown from Scarlett Johannson and her simulated twin sister.

I hate to burst your bubble, but they're both simulated.
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« Reply #76 on: October 04, 2011, 02:01:51 pm »
I've hated every voice-computer interaction I've ever had. Ditto for natural language interactions. Though I wouldn't put it pass Apple to make it work.

Several years ago a bunch of us were standing in the aisle waiting to deplane when the guy in front of me lifted his arm, and spoke into his watch, "Time", and it told him the time.  The watch, that he lifted up to his face (and he wasn't blind that I could tell) to talk into.
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« Reply #77 on: October 04, 2011, 02:06:48 pm »
I hate to burst your bubble, but they're both simulated.

Like I'd care.  It's like breast implants...someone will always say "they're fake, you know".  My response is always "what's your point?"
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« Reply #78 on: October 04, 2011, 02:08:56 pm »
You only need to bring your iPhone with you, not put it in your shoe.

In Nike's, there is a spot under the insert that fits a small sensor that communicates with the iphone or a wristband if you prefer not to carry the iphone.  It's not incredibly accurate, but it's better than nothing for people that want to log their mileage and times. 

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Apple.com updated, including a Siri demo.
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« Reply #80 on: October 04, 2011, 02:24:50 pm »
Like I'd care.  It's like breast implants...someone will always say "they're fake, you know".  My response is always "what's your point?"

There are few things more unfortunate than fake tits.

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There are few things more unfortunate than fake tits.

Wrong.
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« Reply #82 on: October 04, 2011, 02:29:14 pm »
There are few things more unfortunate than fake tits.

Small real ones?
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« Reply #83 on: October 04, 2011, 02:35:31 pm »
In Nike's, there is a spot under the insert that fits a small sensor that communicates with the iphone or a wristband if you prefer not to carry the iphone. 
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« Reply #85 on: October 04, 2011, 02:43:56 pm »
Small real ones?

Better than fake globes of saline.  Negative body image shouldn't be encouraged.  And I should say, medical conditions notwithstanding.

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Negative body image shouldn't be encouraged

Agreed!
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« Reply #87 on: October 04, 2011, 02:48:12 pm »
Late to the party, but this is my iphone case of choice

http://ibottleopener.myshopify.com/

That's awesome.  I might have to get an iPhone again just so I can have that case...
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Negative body image shouldn't be encouraged.

And yet I still have mirrors in my house... FML!
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Negative body image shouldn't be encouraged. 

No, but big titties should be.
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« Reply #90 on: October 04, 2011, 03:23:54 pm »
Apple's prescience twenty four years later.

In 1987, Apple released this concept video for Knowledge Navigator, a voice-based assistant combined with a touchscreen tablet computer.

Based on the dates mentioned in the Knowledge Navigator video, it takes place on September 16, 2011. The date on the professor's calendar is September 16, and he's looking for a 2006 paper written "about five years ago," setting the year as 2011.

And this morning, at the iPhone keynote, Apple announced Siri, a natural language-based voice assistant, would be built into iOS 5 and a core part of the new iPhone 4S.
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Engadget have posted their hands on review of the 4S.

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« Reply #92 on: October 05, 2011, 09:28:42 am »
Looks like my pattern of passing over the S models will continue.
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« Reply #93 on: October 05, 2011, 09:55:32 am »
Looks like my pattern of passing over the S models will continue.

I bought the 1, skipped the 3G, bought the 3GS, skipped the 4, so the 4S is my new phone.

Waiting for the 5 is, of course, anyone's prerogative.  By the same token, once the 5 comes out, everyone knows that a 6 is probably only 12 months away.  And if you bought a 2011 car a few months back, the 2012s are already here.  And your flat screen TV that you love, isn't 3D, or doesn't have google built-in or any other number of technological improvements since you bought it.  And your laptop is now cheaper, with more memory, a faster processor and a built-in Blu Ray drive.

The issue with Apple isn't that it upgrades its products over time.  Everyone does.  The issue is that they do not discount older products prior to the release of the new one.  At least with the iPhone, the hoopla surrounding it is such that, if you buy an old one not knowing that there's a new one coming down the pike, then that's more your fault than theirs.  If you bought one less than 30 days ago, you can get your money back and buy the new one.  But, like every other cell phone contract, if you got a subsidised price for the phone, you're locked in until you've made up the subsidy.

Meanwhile, the 4S is twice as fast as the 4, which makes it much faster than my 3GS.  From what I can tell, only the 4S will have Siri (presumably it needs the fast processor to work efficiently), so there's that too.  The 5, as and when it comes out, may have a more tapered body and I'm sure will have upgrades in processor speed and/or the camera and/or the memory but, for me, the 4S is a big enough jump for me to...erm...jump on it.  I have satisfied my contract with AT&T, however, so now may be the time to review options.

One thing, which went mostly unremarked, is that the dual-network capability of the new cell chip means that you can use it on a CDMA service here, and roam internationally on GSM networks (which is everywhere else except here and South Korea).  I moved from Verizon to AT&T specifically to get a GSM phone for international roaming, so now I can consider all carriers* who carry the iPhone.


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« Reply #94 on: October 05, 2011, 11:21:34 am »
Oh, and about the previously rumoured iPhone 5, it is likely that it was all the work of case manufacturers trying to get a jump on sales by releasing cases based on a design that may not even exist.  Don't expect the 5 to show up anytime before Apple's customary 3rd/4th qtr release next year.
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« Reply #95 on: October 05, 2011, 12:56:20 pm »
From what I can tell, only the 4S will have Siri (presumably it needs the fast processor to work efficiently

Probably not the case.  Apparently the Siri app had been available for awhile and was just recently pulled.  Unless they're doing something remarkably different than they were just a few weeks ago in the app, if its NOT available on the older models thats a business/marketing decision rather than a technical one.
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« Reply #96 on: October 05, 2011, 03:55:58 pm »
Probably not the case.  Apparently the Siri app had been available for awhile and was just recently pulled.  Unless they're doing something remarkably different than they were just a few weeks ago in the app, if its NOT available on the older models thats a business/marketing decision rather than a technical one.

What makes me wonder is that it was demoed as a feature of the iPhone 4S, not iOS5.  That's what leads me to believe that it's on the 4S only, but I really don't know for sure.

I used to have the old Siri app, but it was clumsy to use so I gave up.  The new integration seems much slicker, which makes sense since Apple bought Siri.

In the meantime, here's an extensive list of things you can ask Siri, although "What are you wearing?" and "Open the pod bay doors please" aren't on there.
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In the meantime, here's an extensive list of things you can ask Siri, although "What are you wearing?" and "Open the pod bay doors please" aren't on there.

If "What the fuck is this shit?!?!" is on there, this season would have killed your phone.
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« Reply #98 on: October 05, 2011, 04:32:09 pm »
If "What the fuck is this shit?!?!" is on there, this season would have killed your phone.

Siri learns you over time.  I expect that it will figure out quickly to whip up a soothing photo of Scarlett Johannson.
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« Reply #99 on: October 05, 2011, 04:45:18 pm »
Siri learns you over time.  I expect that it will figure out quickly to whip up a soothing photo of Scarlett Johannson. "I guarantee it won't happen again!"
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« Reply #100 on: October 05, 2011, 05:34:46 pm »
Oh, and about the previously rumoured iPhone 5, it is likely that it was all the work of case manufacturers trying to get a jump on sales by releasing cases based on a design that may not even exist.  Don't expect the 5 to show up anytime before Apple's customary 3rd/4th qtr release next year.

Nice, that means that the 5 would have the kinks worked out by the time I'm eligible for an upgrade in Dec 2012.

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Nice, that means that the 5 would have the kinks worked out by the time I'm eligible for an upgrade in Dec 2012.

Yep.  And the 5 is expected to be proper LTE, not just 'roided 3G*.


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A great innovator and business leader. Guys like him are what keeps the world moving in spite of all the political bullshit.

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« Reply #106 on: October 05, 2011, 07:29:01 pm »
I think I'm going to find me a copy of Pirates of Silicon Valley and watch it on my iphone.

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« Reply #107 on: October 05, 2011, 10:36:02 pm »
Good Bob Boilen article on how Jobs changed the way we listen to music.  Written at the time of his retirement, but applicable today.
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I am oddly weirded out by this.  I know you all think I had mad man-love for Jobs, but it was his toys I loved.  Still, I am a little more upset about this news than I really should be.

The guy was the perfect entrepreneur / inventor*:  genius, blended with just the right amount of dickishness to see his ideas through into reality.  He wrested the power of the microchip away from geeks in darkened rooms, and put it in the hands of everyone.  He made stuff that no one knew they needed, until he made it, then everyone needed it.  The rest of the world is trying to catch up to the iPad, yet they haven't even caught up to the iPod.

* He has over 300 patents in his name.


He accelerated the evolution of the world with his vision.  There are a but handful of people about whom that statement can be made.

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« Reply #109 on: October 06, 2011, 09:06:47 am »
I am oddly weirded out by this.  I know you guys all think I had mad man-love for Jobs, but it was his toys I loved.  I am a little more upset about this news than I really should be.

The guy was the perfect entrepreneur / inventor*:  genius, blended with just the right amount of dickishness to see his ideas through into reality.  He wrested the power of the microchip away from geeks in darkened rooms, and put it in the hands of everyone.  He made stuff that no one knew they needed, until he made it, then everyone needed it.  The rest of the world is trying to catch up to the iPad, yet they haven't even caught up to the iPod.

He accelerated the evolution of the world with his vision.  There are a handful of people about who that statement can be made.

RiPod, Steve.

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« Reply #110 on: October 06, 2011, 09:14:53 am »
I think many are more disturbed than they think they should be because they have a fear (justified?) that Apple will now slowly go downhill.

I fear this too.  Much was made, upon his stepping down as CEO, of the significant role of Jonathan Ive in the development of the iPhone/iPad/iOS.  Time will tell whether that was smoke or mirrors or true.  Regardless, without Jobs, I worry that there is no longer anyone with the force of personality to drive a huge corporation to take on risky innovations and make them reality.
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« Reply #111 on: October 06, 2011, 09:20:03 am »
I think many are more disturbed than they think they should be because they have a fear (justified?) that Apple will now slowly go downhill.

I think you have to also realize that the guy was only 56 years old with all the money that good healthcare could purchase, and there was nothing anyone could do for him.  It is a very visible display of all of our helplessness if the face of disease and our own mortality, apple love notwithstanding. 

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The guy was the perfect entrepreneur / inventor*:  genius, blended with just the right amount of dickishness to see his ideas through into reality.  He wrested the power of the microchip away from geeks in darkened rooms, and put it in the hands of everyone.  

Apple has always been a premium product. It works better on a digital music devices where the core price is cheaper than the base price of a PC, but still there is a brand mark-up.

Also, I think its also better to say Jobs found ways to monetize things the geeks in darkened rooms were giving away for free. UNIX, GUIs, digital music, computer typography were things that were around in the computer world that he manged to stick the Apple brand on.

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« Reply #113 on: October 06, 2011, 10:36:11 am »
Apple has always been a premium product. It works better on a digital music devices where the core price is cheaper than the base price of a PC, but still there is a brand mark-up.

Also, I think its also better to say Jobs found ways to monetize things the geeks in darkened rooms were giving away for free. UNIX, GUIs, digital music, computer typography were things that were around in the computer world that he manged to stick the Apple brand on.

I don't disagree with what you're saying, except the monetize part.  "Market" may be a better word for it.  Jobs was shameless in his theft of ideas and concepts from elsewhere - most notably GUI from Xerox* - but what he did was deploy these ideas in a way that was useful to people, rather than be technology for technology's sake.

* Itself then re-stolen by Gates.

Portable hard drives had been around for a while, but Jobs added a small LCD screen and the Jobs' patented click wheel, and voila!  You've got a music player that stole a march on the world.

Music, email and apps had been on phones for a while, but add a touch screen, and voila!  You've got the smart phone to which all comers compare themselves, yet none have yet to better.

Tablets had been tried for a while and had always failed to catch on, but make the iPhone bigger, and voila!  You've got a new niche in the market that no one knew existed, and may never have existed, until Jobs put his big iPhone out there.

That's a little better than "monetising", IMHO.
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« Reply #114 on: October 06, 2011, 11:06:12 am »
... but what he did was deploy these ideas in a way that was useful to people, rather than be technology for technology's sake.

//snip//

That's a little better than "monetising", IMHO.
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« Reply #115 on: October 06, 2011, 12:23:47 pm »
I don't disagree with what you're saying, except the monetize part.  "Market" may be a better word for it.  Jobs was shameless in his theft of ideas and concepts from elsewhere - most notably GUI from Xerox* - but what he did was deploy these ideas in a way that was useful to people, rather than be technology for technology's sake.

* Itself then re-stolen by Gates.

Portable hard drives had been around for a while, but Jobs added a small LCD screen and the Jobs' patented click wheel, and voila!  You've got a music player that stole a march on the world.

Music, email and apps had been on phones for a while, but add a touch screen, and voila!  You've got the smart phone to which all comers compare themselves, yet none have yet to better.

Tablets had been tried for a while and had always failed to catch on, but make the iPhone bigger, and voila!  You've got a new niche in the market that no one knew existed, and may never have existed, until Jobs put his big iPhone out there.

That's a little better than "monetising", IMHO.

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« Reply #116 on: October 06, 2011, 12:40:07 pm »
Steve Jobs = simplicity.  That's what he brought to the table.

Except for that infernal iTunes.
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« Reply #117 on: October 06, 2011, 01:21:58 pm »
Except for that infernal iTunes.

That large pain-in-the-ass between me and my iPhone/iPod.
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That large pain-in-the-ass between me and my iPhone/iPod.

What's better?  Honest question.
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What's better?  Honest question.

For getting my music from my hard drive to my iPod/iPhone? Nothing, because I can only use iTunes. How about drag and drop?
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What's better?  Honest question.

Sticking your hand in a wood chipper.

Honestly, I am completely confounded by iTunes. So much so that I sold my iPod because I hated fighting it every time I wanted to do anything. I don't use a mobile music player - my phone will do it, but I don't walk around with ear buds in my ears. If I'm in the car I listed to CDs or Sirius. If I'm at home I have CDs, Spotify, and hard drives accessible from all my devices. For a player on those machines, I use Winamp.
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« Reply #121 on: October 06, 2011, 01:36:50 pm »
For getting my music from my hard drive to my iPod/iPhone? Nothing, because I can only use iTunes. How about drag and drop?

In the early days of iPods I used Red Chair's whateverthehellitwas that turned my iPod into a hard drive. Worked fine.
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« Reply #122 on: October 06, 2011, 01:37:36 pm »
Sticking your hand in a wood chipper.

Honestly, I am completely confounded by iTunes. So much so that I sold my iPod because I hated fighting it every time I wanted to do anything. I don't use a mobile music player - my phone will do it, but I don't walk around with ear buds in my ears. If I'm in the car I listed to CDs or Sirius. If I'm at home I have CDs, Spotify, and hard drives accessible from all my devices. For a player on those machines, I use Winamp.

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« Reply #123 on: October 06, 2011, 01:38:23 pm »
In the early days of iPods I used Red Chair's whateverthehellitwas that turned my iPod into a hard drive. Worked fine.

I used it for a while, until it broke my iPod library.
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« Reply #124 on: October 06, 2011, 01:41:09 pm »
Sticking your hand in a wood chipper.

Honestly, I am completely confounded by iTunes. So much so that I sold my iPod because I hated fighting it every time I wanted to do anything. I don't use a mobile music player - my phone will do it, but I don't walk around with ear buds in my ears. If I'm in the car I listed to CDs or Sirius. If I'm at home I have CDs, Spotify, and hard drives accessible from all my devices. For a player on those machines, I use Winamp.

Fear not brother!  Steve Jobs has reached down from the iCloud to ease your suffering.

Seriously, iCloud now allows you to manage all your content directly on your iPhone/iPod Touch/iPad, without need to resort to iTunes.  You don't even need iTunes to set up your iDevices any more - they are completely PC-free.  You can buy and download content directly on your device, and the iCloud will automatically sync that content to all your other iDevices.  The iCloud does the same with photos and contacts, plus it will back up all manner of data.  All of this happens automatically and without need for user intervention, all free with an iOS5-enabled device.

Apple didn't bother trying to improve iTunes; they simply made it obsolete.
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« Reply #125 on: October 06, 2011, 02:12:37 pm »
Fear not brother!  Steve Jobs has reached down from the iCloud to ease your suffering.

Seriously, iCloud now allows you to manage all your content directly on your iPhone/iPod Touch/iPad, without need to resort to iTunes.  You don't even need iTunes to set up your iDevices any more - they are completely PC-free.  You can buy and download content directly on your device, and the iCloud will automatically sync that content to all your other iDevices.  The iCloud does the same with photos and contacts, plus it will back up all manner of data.  All of this happens automatically and without need for user intervention, all free with an iOS5-enabled device.

Apple didn't bother trying to improve iTunes; they simply made it obsolete.

I will monitor this. Not a big fan of the cloud and I don't want to add costs for storage and transmission above what I already have, but if we get completely shut out of being able to watch the Astros in Austin I may be living your workaround Apple solutions in due time. Erk.

ETA: I write this as a heat-related instability on one of my hard drives is making me back up 900GB of music files right now...
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A great innovator and business leader. Guys like him are what keeps the world moving in spite of all the political bullshit.

The better of all the Tech Pirates combined (including Bill Gates).  But innovator?  No freaking way.

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He wrested the power of the microchip away from geeks in darkened rooms, and put it in the hands of everyone.

* He has over 300 patents in his name.

Not coming to praise Cesar....

But that is an odd combination of statements there. and anyone who worked to get a patent in the years past will tell you that before the recent reform by Congress (that Obama signed and claim credit for), patents were a joke in America.  True innovators and genius technology folks were out-dueled, out-classed, out-manuever not by smarter and better people.... but by a unfair playing ground that lead to an immense amount of piracy and deceit.  Living in the tech world that I have for a while, I can tell you who the true innovators and genius are and not many of them have profiles like Steven Jobs.

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I will monitor this. Not a big fan of the cloud and I don't want to add costs for storage and transmission above what I already have, but if we get completely shut out of being able to watch the Astros in Austin I may be living your workaround Apple solutions in due time. Erk.

ETA: I write this as a heat-related instability on one of my hard drives is making me back up 900GB of music files right now...

iCloud is free.  Music is unlimited*, photos have a size limit and (IIRC) one month time limitation - the intention being that you get them stored on your PC/Mac, via the iCloud, within that time and thus synced onto all your devices' internal drives before the time expires, and there's a 5GB limitation for everything else (upgradeable at a fee).

* iCloud doesn't back up your music in the traditional sense, it simply remembers which songs you have bought from iTunes, and will let you re-download them on any of your authorised iDevices at no charge (i.e. anything activated using your unique Apple ID).  If you pay the $25 annual fee for iTunes Match, it will extend that service to all songs in your library including all those you downloaded illegally from Napster did not buy from the iTunes store. It will match your library with songs in the store, and let you re-download those too if lost.  If there is no match, it will compress your unmatched songs to iTunes Store specs and upload them to the iCloud for future downloading as necessary.
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iCloud is free.  Music is unlimited*, photos have a size limit and (IIRC) one month time limitation - the intention being that you get them stored on your PC/Mac, via the iCloud, within that time and thus synced onto all your devices' internal drives before the time expires, and there's a 5GB limitation for everything else (upgradeable at a fee).

* iCloud doesn't back up your music in the traditional sense, it simply remembers which songs you have bought from iTunes, and will let you re-download them on any of your authorised iDevices at no charge (i.e. anything activated using your unique Apple ID).  If you pay the $25 annual fee for iTunes Match, it will extend that service to all songs in your library including all those you downloaded illegally from Napster did not buy from the iTunes store. It will match your library with songs in the store, and let you re-download those too if lost.  If there is no match, it will compress your unmatched songs to iTunes Store specs and upload them to the iCloud for future downloading as necessary.

So, iCloud will launder my music collection?
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iCloud is free.  Music is unlimited*, photos have a size limit and (IIRC) one month time limitation - the intention being that you get them stored on your PC/Mac, via the iCloud, within that time and thus synced onto all your devices' internal drives before the time expires, and there's a 5GB limitation for everything else (upgradeable at a fee).

* iCloud doesn't back up your music in the traditional sense, it simply remembers which songs you have bought from iTunes, and will let you re-download them on any of your authorised iDevices at no charge (i.e. anything activated using your unique Apple ID).  If you pay the $25 annual fee for iTunes Match, it will extend that service to all songs in your library including all those you downloaded illegally from Napster did not buy from the iTunes store. It will match your library with songs in the store, and let you re-download those too if lost.  If there is no match, it will compress your unmatched songs to iTunes Store specs and upload them to the iCloud for future downloading as necessary.

Hey, I might have backed up some of my legit CDs too, you know.

Wait a minute. It's going to turn my FLACs into AAC? Gaaaaaah.

As if I'm going to be able to hear above 12K again...
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Hey, I might have backed up some of my legit CDs too, you know.

Wait a minute. It's going to turn my FLACs into AAC? Gaaaaaah.

As if I'm going to be able to hear above 12K again...

It won't fuck with your source files.  It would create an AAC copy of it in the cloud.

However, if you have a shit-ton of uber-high quality music files, iCloud is not the solution.  If you have a shit-ton of "regular" quality music files from questionable sources ripped CDs that you can't get now that Napster's gone don't want to bother re-ripping, then it's a neat solution.

I keep all my media on a 2TB hard drive, and back that fucker up to a 4TB hard drive.    It's so choice - if you have the means, I highly recommend picking one up.
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« Reply #132 on: October 06, 2011, 02:37:54 pm »
So, iCloud will launder my music collection?

That is one of the understood, perhaps intended, side-effects of iTunes Match.  Also, if your copies are of a lower quality than iTunes offers, you get an automatic quality boost too.
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« Reply #133 on: October 06, 2011, 02:47:41 pm »
It won't fuck with your source files.  It would create an AAC copy of it in the cloud.

However, if you have a shit-ton of uber-high quality music files, iCloud is not the solution.  If you have a shit-ton of "regular" quality music files from questionable sources ripped CDs that you can't get now that Napster's gone don't want to bother re-ripping, then it's a neat solution.

I keep all my media on a 2TB hard drive, and back that fucker up to a 4TB hard drive.    It's so choice - if you have the means, I highly recommend picking one up.

I have a couple of 1TBs, a couple of 1.5s and at least one 2TB, plus a few .5TB drives. And a ridiculous shit-ton of DVDs as physical storage.
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« Reply #134 on: October 06, 2011, 02:55:52 pm »
I have a couple of 1TBs, a couple of 1.5s and at least one 2TB, plus a few .5TB drives. And a ridiculous shit-ton of DVDs as physical storage.

I believe NASA may have some stuff for sale that you could use.
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« Reply #135 on: October 06, 2011, 02:58:14 pm »
I believe NASA may have some stuff for sale that you could use.

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« Reply #136 on: October 06, 2011, 03:00:59 pm »
If you aren't worried about access rate, tape is the best-way to back stuff up. That's what we use on my computer-farm stuff.

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« Reply #137 on: October 06, 2011, 03:05:53 pm »
Yeah, if I could just band together a half-dozen mag tape drives I'd be set.

I believe that this is called "daisy chaining", but I urge caution when Googling that phrase*.


* Also, when looking for a windstorm update, be careful what links you click are searching for "TS Maria".
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« Reply #138 on: October 06, 2011, 03:21:19 pm »
So, iCloud will launder my music collection?

From the Apple website, regarding iTunes Match:

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« Reply #139 on: October 06, 2011, 04:08:30 pm »
I think I'm going to find me a copy of Pirates of Silicon Valley and watch it on my iphone.

Airing tonight on TNT at 8pm and 10pm EDT/PDT.
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« Reply #140 on: October 06, 2011, 04:11:45 pm »
Airing tonight on TNT at 8pm and 10pm EDT/PDT.

Still good by the way. Hall and Wyle are perfect, but of course, it ends in 1999 which leaves a lot of good stuff out.

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« Reply #141 on: October 06, 2011, 04:23:37 pm »
Still good by the way. Hall and Wyle are perfect, but of course, it ends in 1999 which leaves a lot of good stuff out.

Time for a sequel.
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« Reply #142 on: October 11, 2011, 02:29:09 pm »
It's an app (Nike+) to track how far you run, how fast, and record it in a personal log.

O r so I would understand, if I ever exercised.

One other benefit is that as the app logs your pace, it will serve up music with a beat that matches your pace for repetitive sports like running or biking or, if you have prescribed a target pace, slowly ramp up the beat to get you back on pace if you are falling behind.  This is a serious benefit for athletes in training.
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« Reply #143 on: October 11, 2011, 02:38:29 pm »
One other benefit is that as the app logs your pace, it will serve up music with a beat that matches your pace for repetitive sports like running or biking or, if you have prescribed a target pace, slowly ramp up the beat to get you back on pace if you are falling behind.  This is a serious benefit for athletes in training.

With your own music, or theirs?
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« Reply #144 on: October 11, 2011, 02:42:51 pm »
With your own music, or theirs?
Your own.
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« Reply #145 on: October 11, 2011, 02:45:21 pm »
That is cool.  I need something like that to run to.
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« Reply #146 on: October 11, 2011, 02:46:51 pm »
One other benefit is that as the app logs your pace, it will serve up music with a beat that matches your pace for repetitive sports like running or biking or, if you have prescribed a target pace, slowly ramp up the beat to get you back on pace if you are falling behind.  This is a serious benefit for athletes in training.

Can it serve up music with a beat that matches your avatar?  That'd be a workout!
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« Reply #147 on: October 11, 2011, 02:49:35 pm »
One other benefit is that as the app logs your pace, it will serve up music with a beat that matches your pace for repetitive sports like running or biking.

So, Melvins, Napalm Death or Jandek for me. Great.
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« Reply #148 on: October 11, 2011, 02:50:29 pm »
So, Melvins, Napalm Death or Jandek Coldplay for me. Great.

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« Reply #149 on: October 11, 2011, 02:53:41 pm »
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« Reply #150 on: October 11, 2011, 02:55:45 pm »
Coldplay makes me run faster. I'm constantly trying to get as far away from it as I can.
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« Reply #151 on: October 11, 2011, 03:01:03 pm »
Your own.

Sweet!  Pretty sure I'd be tripping all over myself, paying more attention to the messing with the music than running, though.  When I work out on the elliptical, I have to cover the readout or I find myself getting lost in the speed/calories per minute/heart rate/etc.
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« Reply #152 on: October 11, 2011, 03:03:46 pm »
Coldplay makes me run faster. I'm constantly trying to get as far away from it as I can.

Maybe Schaub needs that before he starts the play.

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« Reply #153 on: October 11, 2011, 07:46:37 pm »
So, Melvins, Napalm Death or Jandek for me. Great.

Exercising to Jandek. I'd never thought of that.
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« Reply #154 on: October 11, 2011, 09:35:35 pm »
Exercising to Jandek. I'd never thought of that.

I saw his first US show. Wild.
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« Reply #155 on: October 12, 2011, 12:31:19 am »
I saw his first US show. Wild.

I know that he plays shows from time to time. He played a couple in Houston within the last few years. I would have thought that it would be damn near impossible to strum a guitar in a straightjacket.
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« Reply #156 on: October 12, 2011, 05:55:38 am »
I pre-ordered my new iPhone and it's to be delivered on Friday the 14th. My current phone is a 3G and i dropped it about a month ago--since then I haven't been able to play Words W/Friends or transmit my voice without the earbuds plugged in. Can't wait to get my new phone, the first thing I'm gonna do is download the entire Jobriath catalog and start jogging!
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« Reply #157 on: October 12, 2011, 01:45:47 pm »
ios5 out today.  Just started my iPad update, and it is showing 2-3 hours remaining.
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« Reply #158 on: October 12, 2011, 01:58:02 pm »
ios5 out today.  Just started my iPad update, and it is showing 2-3 hours remaining.

There's a new version of iTunes (released yesterday) plus a new version of Lion for those who are on Macs, all related to iCloud.

I have some updatin' to do tonight.
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« Reply #159 on: October 12, 2011, 02:13:47 pm »
ios5 out today.  Just started my iPad update, and it is showing 2-3 hours remaining.

Fogive my ignorance, but is this update what allows the cloud services to start.

Side cloud question:  Will deleting email from the phone delete them from the ipad, or vice versa? 

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« Reply #160 on: October 12, 2011, 02:22:30 pm »
Fogive my ignorance, but is this update what allows the cloud services to start.

Yes.  But you need all related devices on the latest software: Macs need the Lion update, PCs need the iCloud support update* and all need the iTunes update.  iDevices need to be on iOS5.

* Just run the Apple software update on your PC and it should find it.


Side cloud question:  Will deleting email from the phone delete them from the ipad, or vice versa? 

Dunno.  I hope not, because I like to archive certain emails on my Mac.
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« Reply #161 on: October 12, 2011, 02:23:35 pm »
Fogive my ignorance, but is this update what allows the cloud services to start.
Yes, among "200" other updates included

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Depends on your mail server/type, I believe.  My POP accounts all leave a copy on the server when they pull down an email to the iPad.  You then have options on how you want to handle email you've deleted from the iPad.  They can remove the copy from the server immediatly, later, or never.

My Exchange account (work) keeps in sync.  Any deleted from iPad are deleted from Outlook, phone, etc next time I use those to look at the account.
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« Reply #162 on: October 12, 2011, 02:29:50 pm »
My Exchange account (work) keeps in sync.  Any deleted from iPad are deleted from Outlook, phone, etc next time I use those to look at the account.

This is how I hope it works.  I have the same setup for work email, so I leave them on my phone and, once I've archived them onto the network, I delete them from my inbox and they disappear off my phone.  It's quite cool deleting something on one, and watching it disappear from the other a few moments later.
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« Reply #163 on: October 12, 2011, 02:31:48 pm »
This is how I hope it works.  I have the same setup for work email, so I leave them on my phone and, once I've archived them onto the network, I delete them from my inbox and they disappear off my phone.  It's quite cool deleting something on one, and watching it disappear from the other a few moments later.

What I miss from my Blackberry is having the choice to delete it from the server rather than it being just a setting, one or the other.
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« Reply #164 on: October 12, 2011, 02:37:05 pm »
What I miss from my Blackberry is having the choice to delete it from the server rather than it being just a setting, one or the other crash, taking out BB service for an entire hemisphere.

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« Reply #165 on: October 12, 2011, 02:44:56 pm »
What I miss from my Blackberry is having the choice to delete it from the server rather than it being just a setting, one or the other crash, taking out BB service for an entire hemisphere.

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FIFY

OK, sure. I'm not touting BB, just wondering why I can't have a choice on my iPhone.
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« Reply #167 on: October 12, 2011, 02:51:59 pm »
Somebody needs to do a better job of testing their DR plans, methinks.

Dunno what "DR plans" means, but the whole BB concept - while revolutionary and wonderful in the 20th century - doesn't hold up in the 21st century (and we're already a decade into it).

All other (I believe) mobile email clients run off your regular email server.  If it crashes, it's just you and whoever else is on your server.  BB requires your home server to run through a single, separate BB server (based in Canada for North America) in addition for the BB to work.  If  the BB server goes down, BB service across whole continents goes black.
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« Reply #168 on: October 12, 2011, 02:54:16 pm »
If  the BB server goes down, BB service across whole continents goes black.

Like now.
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« Reply #169 on: October 12, 2011, 03:00:16 pm »
iOS5 update is freakin huge.

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« Reply #170 on: October 12, 2011, 03:01:24 pm »
Dunno what "DR plans" means

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« Reply #171 on: October 12, 2011, 03:03:04 pm »
iOS5 update is freakin huge.

Good news is that I'm at "49 minutes remaining".  Bad news is that I've been at 49 minutes for at least 10.
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« Reply #172 on: October 12, 2011, 03:09:22 pm »
iOS5 update is freakin huge.

The last of its kind.  All future updates will be "Delta" updates, i.e. changing only what needs to be changed rather than installing a comple OS from scratch.  Also, future updates will be available wirelessly (presumably wifi only as cell data updates are restricted to <20MB) and, with the backup features of iCloud, you'll never again have to plug your iPhone into your Mac/PC.

iPhone 4Ses can be setup wirelessly as long as you have a valid Apple ID.  This is to help break into emerging markets, where people want an iPhone but don't own a PC.
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« Reply #173 on: October 12, 2011, 03:10:38 pm »
Good news is that I'm at "49 minutes remaining".  Bad news is that I've been at 49 minutes for at least 10.

The London Underground uses the exact same system.  A train can be 2 minutes away for 15 minutes.
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« Reply #174 on: October 12, 2011, 03:14:47 pm »
For those of you sporting a v2 Apple TV, there's an update for you, too:

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- Photo Stream: View photos recently taken on your iOS device and pushed to your Photo Stream in iCloud.

- Trailers: A whole new way to browse and view hundreds of the latest theatrical trailers.

- National Hockey League: Watch live games. View highlights, scores, and more.

- Wall Street Journal Live: Watch up-to-date news, business commentary, and financial analysis from leading experts.

Be careful with the WSJ app, though.  You might end up in one of Rupert's schemes to defraud advertisers by faking a larger circulation than actually exists.
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« Reply #175 on: October 12, 2011, 03:31:40 pm »
NHL ranks fourth in priority behind trailers.  Awesome.
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« Reply #176 on: October 12, 2011, 03:33:08 pm »
For those of you sporting a v2 Apple TV, there's schemes to defraud advertisers by faking a larger circulation than actually exists.

40% of their European circulation was essentially handouts? Nice.
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« Reply #178 on: October 12, 2011, 03:40:18 pm »
40% of their European circulation was essentially handouts? Nice.

A lackey took the fall, but I suspect that there will be a long line of advertisers with one hand out for a refund and the other holding a phone with a lawyer on speed dial.

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« Reply #179 on: October 12, 2011, 03:56:11 pm »
All future updates will be "Delta" updates, i.e. changing only what needs to be changed rather than installing a comple OS from scratch.  Also, future updates will be available wirelessly (presumably wifi only as cell data updates are restricted to <20MB) and, with the backup features of iCloud, you'll never again have to plug your iPhone into your Mac/PC.

iPhone 4Ses can be setup wirelessly as long as you have a valid Apple ID.

Honest question - what took Apple so long?  All of the above functionality has been a part of, or possible with (via apps), Android for a good while.  Anchoring the iPhone/iPad to iTunes has been nothing short of problematic for several people I know, due in no small part to iTunes' ability to be very PMSey.

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« Reply #180 on: October 12, 2011, 03:58:33 pm »
The London Underground uses the exact same system.  A train can be 2 minutes away for 15 minutes.
Yeah.  But if you get tired of waiting for it you can't just tell it to go back and start over from the previous station.
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« Reply #181 on: October 12, 2011, 03:59:45 pm »
Honest question - what took Apple so long?  All of the above functionality has been a part of, or possible with (via apps), Android for a good while.  Anchoring the iPhone/iPad to iTunes has been nothing short of problematic for several people I know, due in no small part to iTunes' ability to be very PMSey.

My guess is that they just kept finding it easier to leverage an existing infrastructure and focus on new product.  But, yeah, it's past due.
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« Reply #182 on: October 12, 2011, 04:05:07 pm »
Honest question - what took Apple so long?  All of the above functionality has been a part of, or possible with (via apps), Android for a good while.  Anchoring the iPhone/iPad to iTunes has been nothing short of problematic for several people I know, due in no small part to iTunes' ability to be very PMSey.

Apple have always been notoriously slow to bring "cutting edge" technology to their stuff*.  The defense is that they paw over new functionality to make sure it works, as opposed to the Win/PC model which is to slap it in there for sales and let the users figure it out.  If nothing else, the elegance and pure Apple-ness of the implementation makes people forget how long it took to arrive in the first place (see paste, cut 'n').

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« Reply #183 on: October 12, 2011, 04:15:12 pm »
And, 2.5 hours later... it didnt work.

Seems I and everyone else will only be getting an ever-helpful error message "3200" today.
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« Reply #184 on: October 12, 2011, 04:29:41 pm »
And, 2.5 hours later... it didnt work.

Seems I and everyone else will only be getting an ever-helpful error message "3200" today.


See Limey's quote from above...


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« Reply #185 on: October 12, 2011, 04:29:55 pm »
and, when they do, tout it as if it's revolutionary and innovative.

I've given some thought to Apple's marketing hype lately, and I find it funny that they throw around words like "magic" or "revolutionary" to pimp relatively standard equipment (laptops, keyboards, mice), yet one of their more innovative and cost-effective devices seems to fly under their marketing radar the most: the Mac Mini.  I'm surprised and disappointed that none of the PC brands have tried to imitate that form factor because it is brilliant, especially for use as a HTPC.  I'm about to buy one for that very purpose.

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« Reply #186 on: October 12, 2011, 04:40:29 pm »
And, 2.5 hours later... it didnt work.

Seems I and everyone else will only be getting an ever-helpful error message "3200" today.


I got this after installing 10.5 and then trying the 5.0 install.  REbooting let the 5.0 install go clean.
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« Reply #187 on: October 12, 2011, 04:40:37 pm »
I've given some thought to Apple's marketing hype lately, and I find it funny that they throw around words like "magic" or "revolutionary" to pimp relatively standard equipment (laptops, keyboards, mice), yet one of their more innovative and cost-effective devices seems to fly under their marketing radar the most: the Mac Mini.  I'm surprised and disappointed that none of the PC brands have tried to imitate that form factor because it is brilliant, especially for use as a HTPC.  I'm about to buy one for that very purpose.

The Mini another product that supposedly had no niche, then it made one for itself.  IIRC, you intend or have cut your cable/satellite subscription, and the Mini is perfect for this because it allows you to throw Hulu etc. up onto your big TV.  It also plays full 1080p content, which is greater than the current Apple TV*.  It's also much easier to navigate with a wireless keyboard and mouse, than with a TV remote!

* Rumours abound that 1080p can be unlocked on the ATV by a simple firmware update.  I think Jailbreakers are already playing 1080p but, as usual, Apple is slow to implement an apparently simple upgrade.


Giving Apple the benefit of the doubt regarding their hype, it can be passed off as advertising sound bites (bytes?) in which they tout the elegance of the new technology in a Mac environment, as opposed to, for example, wireless syncing being revolutionary.
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« Reply #188 on: October 12, 2011, 04:42:32 pm »
See Limey's quote from above...



I would argue that this "failure" is due to success of the platform, not the shoddiness of the software itself.  BB are having trouble sending emails today, Apple is trying to push out a 200+MB software update to tens of millions of users at once.
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« Reply #189 on: October 12, 2011, 04:46:28 pm »
I got this after installing 10.5 and then trying the 5.0 install.  REbooting let the 5.0 install go clean.

Are you on Mac or PC?  I have already installed iTunes 10.5, but I need to install OS X 10.7.2, which will likely force a restart.

As an aside, it's an irritation that iTunes won't check for a software update until you plug in your phone.  It would be better for it to download these things automatically.  Well, rumour has it that a new version of their Time Capsule backup device will have the capability to download and store updates for all your devices, and then offer them to you once you come into contact with it.  This will be nice for future OTA updates to iOS - but it means buying a Time Capsule to get it.
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« Reply #190 on: October 12, 2011, 04:49:59 pm »
I would argue that this "failure" is due to success of the platform, not the shoddiness of the software itself. 

Even you must see the gag-inducing, fanboy statement that this is, right?
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« Reply #191 on: October 12, 2011, 04:55:31 pm »
I would argue that this "failure" is due to success of the platform, not the shoddiness of the software itself.  BB are having trouble sending emails today, Apple is trying to push out a 200+MB software update to tens of millions of users at once.

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« Reply #192 on: October 12, 2011, 07:51:24 pm »
Won't install for me, either. A message about being unable to backup the existing setup.

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« Reply #193 on: October 12, 2011, 08:44:24 pm »
Won't install for me, either. A message about being unable to backup the existing setup.

Reboot.
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« Reply #194 on: October 12, 2011, 08:51:40 pm »
My Blackberry worked fine all day today.
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« Reply #195 on: October 12, 2011, 09:37:52 pm »
Won't install for me, either. A message about being unable to backup the existing setup.

I got message 3004, that said it needed to restore then update.  Did that, and it's on the vinegar strikes as I type.
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« Reply #196 on: October 12, 2011, 10:09:27 pm »
My Blackberry worked fine all day today.

Mine too.  Must have been a hell of an issue to interrupt service on 6 continents.

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« Reply #197 on: October 12, 2011, 10:53:43 pm »
The Mini another product that supposedly had no niche, then it made one for itself.

I wasn't just talking about the Mini's niche, but the design of the computer itself.  No one else has come close to packing that much computer into such a small, quiet, attractive case.  Even the smallest custom build HTPC cases are excessively bulky and usually look ridiculous.

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« Reply #198 on: October 13, 2011, 07:35:48 am »
iPad now upgraded.  Had to buy the newer version of iPhoto for the PhotoStream iCloud feature to work ($15), so now that's set up too!

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« Reply #199 on: October 13, 2011, 07:58:49 am »
...and got iOS5 installed last night, only to have my work PC tell me that I both need to update iTunes, and am unable to update iTunes due to an installer error.

I have been programming PC's for 25 years, and have never touched an Apple product until work got us all iPhones. I'd been assured for years that problems like this were solely a result of Microsoft deviltry. Since I am using PC's at work and home, I'm sure this is all Bill Gates personal fault somehow.

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« Reply #200 on: October 13, 2011, 08:56:51 am »
...and got iOS5 installed last night, only to have my work PC tell me that I both need to update iTunes, and am unable to update iTunes due to an installer error.

Was the installer error something related to "can't find the required files" and it asked you to locate a .msi file?

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everything is fine @ home. Work PC just won't load itunes. The installer runs through to what it thinks is the end, and then says it can't run a required file. No option to locate an MSI.

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« Reply #202 on: October 13, 2011, 12:05:28 pm »
everything is fine @ home. Work PC just won't load itunes. The installer runs through to what it thinks is the end, and then says it can't run a required file. No option to locate an MSI.

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I've found that iTunes install problems are usually fixed by installing the Windows Installer Cleanup Utility.  Usually iTunes Setup complains about being unable to locate some .msi file that's in plain sight, but I've run into other problems similar to what you described.  Install and run it, then choose iTunes from the list and click "Remove".  This doesn't actually remove the existing iTunes software or any of your data, it just deletes the data specific to its installation process.  Then close the utility and try the iTunes update again.  I'd be willing to bet that it works.

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« Reply #203 on: October 13, 2011, 12:13:17 pm »
Mine too.  Must have been a hell of an issue to interrupt service on 6 continents.

All the BB users at my office (myself included) had a service interruption for about 3 hours yesterday.

As of today, everything seems to be back up and running perfectly.
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« Reply #204 on: October 13, 2011, 07:16:56 pm »
4 finger swipe is awkward.  Cant imagine how it is on the phone
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« Reply #205 on: October 14, 2011, 10:26:24 am »
4 finger swipe is awkward.  Cant imagine how it is on the phone

Are you one-handed surfing right now?  Yuk.
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« Reply #206 on: October 14, 2011, 10:28:32 am »
I've found that iTunes install problems are usually fixed by installing the Windows Installer Cleanup Utility.  Usually iTunes Setup complains about being unable to locate some .msi file that's in plain sight, but I've run into other problems similar to what you described.  Install and run it, then choose iTunes from the list and click "Remove".  This doesn't actually remove the existing iTunes software or any of your data, it just deletes the data specific to its installation process.  Then close the utility and try the iTunes update again.  I'd be willing to bet that it works.

iTunes was already gone, so I blasted Apple's setup and mobile device manager and that did the trick. Interestingly, despite blasting all that my play lists and library were still there. I wasn't concerned about music since I use my own MP3 and haven't bought any from Apple.

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« Reply #207 on: October 14, 2011, 01:51:06 pm »
I just found out today that Dennis Ritchie, the co-creator of UNIX and C computer language (both of which Steve Jobs "borrowed" for Apple products), died last week.

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« Reply #208 on: October 14, 2011, 02:01:50 pm »
I just found out today that Dennis Ritchie, the co-creator of UNIX and C computer language (both of which Steve Jobs "borrowed" for Apple products), died last week.

I received a copy of K&R's "The C Programming Language" for either my 15th or 16th birthday and I still have it (and use it). Greatest computer reference ever written.
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« Reply #209 on: October 14, 2011, 02:10:56 pm »
The true story behind "C"

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« Reply #210 on: October 14, 2011, 02:14:08 pm »
I love C and UNIX. Fuck the guys who wrote that.
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« Reply #211 on: October 14, 2011, 02:36:17 pm »
I do too, of course, but the piece is cute.  Laugh at yourself now and then.

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« Reply #212 on: October 15, 2011, 07:44:27 am »
I'm very impressed with the new iPhone. Siri is very cool and understands my garbled and slurred speech patterns, as long as there's not too much ambient noise. I asked it to play Red Right Hand with the TV volume up and it ask me if I meant, Wed White Hand... I had had a few beers. But, after turning down the volume on the TV, and perhaps enunciating clearer, Siri understood me just fine.

The device is so much faster than my old 3G series. Also far better resolution, the video is real high def, the pictures I took on my old phone look so much better on the new phone. For some reason some of the aps I had on the old phone didn't transfer over to the new phone, but some did. I'm still working on how that happed.

I did have to call AT&T to get my billing straightened out. I use auto-pay and it's set up to transfer the funds the last day before late fees are assessed. However, the bill is actually due, a couple of weeks before the late fees incur, I was essentially past due, even though I have been paying my bills the same way for 11 or 12 years. My phone would not activate. I had to whine to some poor employee about how shitty it was that because of a billing technicality, even though the records indicate I pay over $140 a month every month, and I'm being penalized like some deadbeat customer. Then, I had to pull the, "I'm an employee with AT&T with 29 years of service," card, and the, "I want to speak to your manager," card, and the "I want your name, so I'll have it when I take this matter 'upstairs,' card, and the "I bet Verizon would like part or all of that $140 a month," card, and finally the, "you answered the phone asking me, 'what can you do to satisfy me,' well, there is no way I can evaluate this call as anything but very unsatisfied," card. Soon thereafter someone had the sense to release the lock on my account, or whatever they did to get my phone activated. I guess they knew I meant business.

Overall, I'm please with the product, it rocks.
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« Reply #213 on: October 15, 2011, 12:37:08 pm »
I'm very impressed with the new iPhone. Siri is very cool and understands my garbled and slurred speech patterns, as long as there's not too much ambient noise. I asked it to play Red Right Hand with the TV volume up and it ask me if I meant, Wed White Hand... I had had a few beers. But, after turning down the volume on the TV, and perhaps enunciating clearer, Siri understood me just fine.

The device is so much faster than my old 3G series. Also far better resolution, the video is real high def, the pictures I took on my old phone look so much better on the new phone. For some reason some of the aps I had on the old phone didn't transfer over to the new phone, but some did. I'm still working on how that happed.

I did have to call AT&T to get my billing straightened out. I use auto-pay and it's set up to transfer the funds the last day before late fees are assessed. However, the bill is actually due, a couple of weeks before the late fees incur, I was essentially past due, even though I have been paying my bills the same way for 11 or 12 years. My phone would not activate. I had to whine to some poor employee about how shitty it was that because of a billing technicality, even though the records indicate I pay over $140 a month every month, and I'm being penalized like some deadbeat customer. Then, I had to pull the, "I'm an employee with AT&T with 29 years of service," card, and the, "I want to speak to your manager," card, and the "I want your name, so I'll have it when I take this matter 'upstairs,' card, and the "I bet Verizon would like part or all of that $140 a month," card, and finally the, "you answered the phone asking me, 'what can you do to satisfy me,' well, there is no way I can evaluate this call as anything but very unsatisfied," card. Soon thereafter someone had the sense to release the lock on my account, or whatever they did to get my phone activated. I guess they knew I meant business.

Overall, I'm please with the product, it rocks.

So iPhone = good, AT&T = bad.

That is consistent with my experience.
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« Reply #214 on: October 17, 2011, 09:57:30 am »
So iPhone = good, AT&T = bad.

That is consistent with my experience.


It took me two days to get my new phone set up with AT&T.  They are incredibly bad at their job.
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« Reply #215 on: October 17, 2011, 10:09:53 am »

It took me two days to get my new phone set up with AT&T.  They are incredibly bad at their job.

AT&T = Greatest.  Wireless Co.  Ever.

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« Reply #216 on: October 17, 2011, 10:29:46 am »
I cannot understand why they hate you guys so much.

You've met both of us on many occasions. Perhaps you have some insight.
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« Reply #217 on: October 17, 2011, 11:06:35 am »
You've met both of us on many occasions. Perhaps you have some insight.

That's just it...your both real peaches.  Of course, Limey talks funny...
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« Reply #218 on: October 17, 2011, 12:25:45 pm »
That's just it...your both real peaches.  Of course, Limey talks funny...

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« Reply #219 on: October 17, 2011, 03:24:23 pm »
Finally some good news for BB owners:  RIM will give you some free shit for your troubles last week.
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« Reply #220 on: October 17, 2011, 10:00:40 pm »
Like some others on this thread, I love my IPhone 4S but don't like AT&T's service.    Siri is really cool.
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« Reply #221 on: October 18, 2011, 07:58:38 am »
Like some others on this thread, I love my IPhone 4S but don't like AT&T's service.    Siri is really cool.

A friend at work demonstrated it for me yesterday - cool indeed.  I doubt Apple will license the technology to others, but I hope they do... would like to see voice commands/recognition become more pervasive in a lot of different areas.

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« Reply #222 on: October 18, 2011, 09:09:51 am »
A friend at work demonstrated it for me yesterday - cool indeed.  I doubt Apple will license the technology to others, but I hope they do... would like to see voice commands/recognition become more pervasive in a lot of different areas.

BMW are already talking about getting it into their cars.  They already have very tight integration with Apple devices, so I'm presuming that any Siri integration is going to be for Apple stuff only.  I have been playing around with it, but not really used it for real yet.  The dictation feature is nicely integrated.

FYI, while Siri will ask you to identify "mother" "father" etc., and remember who that is, it will not ask for clarification for non-family relationships or nicknames.  BUT, you can add a nickname to any contact, and Siri will recognise that.  So, I can go to, say, gleach's contact details, add "gleach" as the nickname, and Siri now will know who I mean.
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« Reply #223 on: October 18, 2011, 10:37:08 am »
So, I can go to, say, gleach's contact details, add "gleach" as the nickname, and Siri now will know who I mean.

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« Reply #224 on: October 18, 2011, 10:46:57 am »
Do you actually call me that? I gotta get a better nickname.

It was just a hypothetical.  If I'd used "Waldo" as an example, it wouldn't have worked...
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« Reply #225 on: October 18, 2011, 10:55:11 am »
Do you actually call me that? I gotta get a better nickname.

Actually, he uses "TicketDaddy" as your nickname, but he was too polite to mention it.
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« Reply #226 on: October 18, 2011, 10:58:14 am »
Actually, he uses "TicketDaddy" as your nickname, but he was too polite to mention it.

gleach calls me "TicketBitch".  It's only fair.
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« Reply #227 on: October 18, 2011, 11:42:58 am »
Do you actually call me that? I gotta get a better nickname.

Is "the most awesomeest person ever who never complains when I try to glom tickets off of him" too long of a nickname?

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« Reply #228 on: October 18, 2011, 11:47:07 am »
Is "the most awesomeest person ever who never complains when I try to glom tickets off of him" too long of a nickname?

That's very close to what my wife calls me.
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« Reply #229 on: October 18, 2011, 11:54:01 am »
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Finally some good news for BB owners:  RIM will give you some free shit for your troubles last week.

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I use a blackberry all the time.  I've never found a single app worth using.

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« Reply #234 on: October 18, 2011, 01:32:22 pm »
Apparently Sprint doesn't want it's customers to use the iPhone.

Yikes!  A full half of the speed of the competitors, on average.  Son of a bitch.
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The screen is too small and I'm too blind to read the map.

How do you find your way around the world? Still carrying the key map book?
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How do you find your way around the world? Still carrying the key map book?

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How do you find your way around the world? Still carrying the key map book?

There's a kid for that....

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How do you find your way around the world? Still carrying the key map book?

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« Reply #241 on: October 18, 2011, 08:05:18 pm »
Yikes!  A full half of the speed of the competitors, on average.  Son of a bitch.
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« Reply #242 on: October 18, 2011, 08:32:17 pm »
This is a true story. I was in Houston recently for a couple of days. I find it's helpful to return every now and then to make sure the ceiling hasn't caved in again and that no one is suing me. Every call I made or received on my cell dropped. Every single one. I have a VOIP phone that I can use for normal purposes which is good because my cell is useless in downtown Houston. Anyway, I get a call from an unfamiliar toll-free number. I answer, hear something faintly and then... nothing. I look down at the phone and where the bars are supposed to be I see Searching... The fucking phone is searching for signal in the center of the energy capital of the known universe. Wondering who it was who'd called me I phoned the number back. It was AT&T.
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« Reply #243 on: October 18, 2011, 08:38:01 pm »
Yikes!  A full half of the speed of the competitors, on average.  Son of a bitch.

Those numbers are about on par with what I get on my EVO 4G, so it's not exactly news.  It's also usually fast enough for web browsing.  If I want faster, I can use 4G if not near a hotspot, but I guess iPhone users don't have the 4G option.

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It's also usually fast enough for web browsing.  

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« Reply #245 on: October 19, 2011, 10:09:17 am »
The fucking phone is searching for signal in the center of the energy capital of the known universe. Wondering who it was who'd called me I phoned the number back. It was AT&T.

AT&T customer service is pretty awesome, really.  They'll make anything work for you billing-wise, even if your bill is huge because you called internationally all last month;  they'll put you on an international plan and credit what you used previously, so that instead of a $500 phone bill you have your normal $150 one.
That being said, our service is so bad at home and downtown (where I work) that we cancelled our data plans (my iphone is now an ipod touch) and are using our work cell phones until the contract runs out and we can change providers. 

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« Reply #246 on: October 19, 2011, 10:14:28 am »
Yikes.

700kbps is plenty for web browsing.  I wouldn't exactly fire up Skype or Youtube on that, but I don't use those often.

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« Reply #247 on: October 19, 2011, 10:18:42 am »
AT&T customer service is pretty awesome, really.  They'll make anything work for you billing-wise, even if your bill is huge because you called internationally all last month;  they'll put you on an international plan and credit what you used previously, so that instead of a $500 phone bill you have your normal $150 one.
That being said, our service is so bad at home and downtown (where I work) that we cancelled our data plans (my iphone is now an ipod touch) and are using our work cell phones until the contract runs out and we can change providers. 

BS. they screwed me royally during our last trip. supervisors did not keep the promises on billing that the customer service reps made.
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« Reply #248 on: October 19, 2011, 10:25:02 am »
BS. they screwed me royally during our last trip. supervisors did not keep the promises on billing that the customer service reps made.

Call them back and be persistent.  You might have to change plans to get the rates/messaging that you want, but you can always cancel after a month.  Recently I had to call the UK multiple times during a month to deal with a financial issue and our bill was Large.  Capital L large.  We called them and signed up for an international plan, they pro-rated the previous bill and all is good.  You might have to spend a couple of hours on the phone, tho, talking to supervisors.
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« Reply #249 on: October 19, 2011, 10:32:02 am »
My wife and I got cell phones 15 years ago with Cingular.  Their signal strength was great.  Then AT&T bought them.  It wasn't long after that merger we noticed our phones' signal strength declined just about everywhere we went.  In places where we had modest but uninterrupted strength suddenly we had none.  In some places where we had no problems our strength diminished.  I agree that their customer service has been very good (they've worked with us on billing and equipment problems).  We have occasionally gotten a better deal than we expected.  But their signal is crap.

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Call them back and be persistent.  You might have to change plans to get the rates/messaging that you want, but you can always cancel after a month.  Recently I had to call the UK multiple times during a month to deal with a financial issue and our bill was Large.  Capital L large.  We called them and signed up for an international plan, they pro-rated the previous bill and all is good.  You might have to spend a couple of hours on the phone, tho, talking to supervisors.
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oh, gosh. i never thought of that.

 i had an international plan before i left.
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« Reply #251 on: October 19, 2011, 10:39:10 am »
Call them and demand the Longhorn Network.

Well, that may not work, but at least my bill got cut.
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oh, gosh. i never thought of that.

 i had an international plan before i left.

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I worked for AT&T Wireless 15 years ago.  Then at least, their support training was extensive and high quality, and the hiring process was difficult to get through.  I felt like we really had a strong team, rather than just warm bodies to fill seats.  As a result of that (I think) they gave us fairly broad authority to help customers with billing issues: eat unreasonable roaming charges, back-date to better rate plans, credit for dropped calls, etc.  More often than not, it was easier to just take care of the issue rather than try to defend a charge the customer wasn't happy with, and I know more than once we were told to consider the cost of us being on the phone versus the fee we were being asked to remove.  Obviously, a lot can and probably has changed since then, but it may still pay off to simply call them again and continue the conversation.
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« Reply #254 on: October 19, 2011, 12:05:03 pm »
My wife and I got cell phones 15 years ago with Cingular.  Their signal strength was great.  Then AT&T bought them.  It wasn't long after that merger we noticed our phones' signal strength declined just about everywhere we went.  In places where we had modest but uninterrupted strength suddenly we had none.  In some places where we had no problems our strength diminished.  I agree that their customer service has been very good (they've worked with us on billing and equipment problems).  We have occasionally gotten a better deal than we expected.  But their signal is crap.

A coworker of mine had just bought a new Cingular phone and renewed his contract when, a couple months later, his phone abruptly stopped working.  After calling AT&T he was informed that the Cingular towers in our area had been shut down and he needed to get a new AT&T phone.  AT&T didn't work with him at all about replacing his Cingular phone even though he was never informed about that when he bought it.

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A coworker of mine had just bought a new Cingular phone and renewed his contract when, a couple months later, his phone abruptly stopped working.  After calling AT&T he was informed that the Cingular towers in our area had been shut down and he needed to get a new AT&T phone.  AT&T didn't work with him at all about replacing his Cingular phone even though he was never informed about that when he bought it.

We never got a notice that any phone would not work when the transition happened.  Our change was seamless.  We woke up one day and found that AT&T was popping up on the main screen rather than Cingular.
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We never got a notice that any phone would not work when the transition happened.  Our change was seamless.  We woke up one day and found that AT&T was popping up on the main screen rather than Cingular.

I've had the same service for like 15 years, going back to the old Houston Cellular.  One day I noticed that my bill said Cingular.  Several years later I noticed it said AT&T.  I've always had service almost everywhere.  I get perfect reception everywhere in downtown Houston. I even get service in Reliant Stadium.  I've never, in 15 years, had a dropped call, anywhere.  AT&T service is fantastic...always courteous and helpful, likely kind to puppies and small children as well.
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« Reply #257 on: October 19, 2011, 06:21:16 pm »
  I've never, in 15 years, had a dropped call, anywhere. 

There is absolutely no way that this is true.  I don't care if your cell phone patches a direct line to God herself, there's simply no way this is true.
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« Reply #258 on: October 19, 2011, 06:27:05 pm »
There is absolutely no way that this is true.  I don't care if your cell phone patches a direct line to God herself, there's simply no way this is true.

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« Reply #259 on: October 19, 2011, 07:21:53 pm »
There is absolutely no way that this is true.  I don't care if your cell phone patches a direct line to God herself, there's simply no way this is true.

Nor do I believe he gets signal in Reliant.

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« Reply #260 on: October 19, 2011, 10:32:34 pm »
Nor do I believe he gets signal in Reliant.

Go back and check some of the Texans threads if you don't believe me.

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« Reply #261 on: October 20, 2011, 01:15:57 am »
Go back and check some of the Texans threads if you don't believe me.

Oh, I'm well aware that you have claimed this for years. The rest of us are in there searching in vain for the barest signal while you're merrily watching Andy Griffith shows on hulu during timeouts.
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« Reply #262 on: October 20, 2011, 09:51:44 am »
Oh, I'm well aware that you have claimed this for years. The rest of us are in there searching in vain for the barest signal while you're merrily watching Andy Griffith shows on hulu during timeouts.

The simple explanation is he's hogging all the bandwidth.

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« Reply #263 on: October 20, 2011, 11:42:08 am »
While not as fortunate as Mr. Hawk, I have had something like 2-3 calls drop since I got my iPhone 3 years ago.  Once was in Times Squae, once was at Kyle Field and once was in downtown Houston.

I think it's customer-specific hatred.

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« Reply #264 on: October 20, 2011, 12:34:48 pm »
While not as fortunate as Mr. Hawk, I have had something like 2-3 calls drop since I got my iPhone 3 years ago.  Once was in Times Squae, once was at Kyle Field and once was in downtown Houston.

I think it's customer-specific hatred.

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« Reply #265 on: October 20, 2011, 12:36:39 pm »
While not as fortunate as Mr. Hawk, I have had something like 2-3 calls drop since I got my iPhone 3 years ago.  Once was in Times Squae, once was at Kyle Field and once was in downtown Houston.

Must have been in the second half.
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I hope you didn't bend down to pick up your dropped call in Kyle Field. Someone might've mistaken you for a sheep.

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« Reply #267 on: October 20, 2011, 02:41:53 pm »
I think it's customer-specific hatred.

I don't discount this at all. As Limey points out they hate me so much that they'll fuck up calls of innocent civilians who happen to be within my magic aura.

Because I use the same phone down here that I do in the US. Different chip, different network, totally different result. I am in the middle of nowhere and I just checked and I have 3G signal at full strength. My service in the US costs, what, $150 per month? Here I pay $15 for a pre-paid card, get 4x the credit due to an ongoing promotion, buy a month's worth of unlimited data for $15 and have $45 of phone and messaging left over for the month. Basically, vastly superior service here costs one tenth of what I pay in the US.
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« Reply #268 on: October 20, 2011, 02:57:31 pm »
I don't discount this at all. As Limey points out they hate me so much that they'll fuck up calls of innocent civilians who happen to be within my magic aura.

Because I use the same phone down here that I do in the US. Different chip, different network, totally different result. I am in the middle of nowhere and I just checked and I have 3G signal at full strength. My service in the US costs, what, $150 per month? Here I pay $15 for a pre-paid card, get 4x the credit due to an ongoing promotion, buy a month's worth of unlimited data for $15 and have $45 of phone and messaging left over for the month. Basically, vastly superior service here costs one tenth of what I pay in the US.

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« Reply #269 on: October 20, 2011, 03:04:11 pm »
My service in the US costs, what, $150 per month?

If you're paying $150/month, they REALLY hate you. I have two iPhones with unlimited data, I forget how many texts, plus a regular old person phone (for my Mom). We all share something like 900 minutes, unlimited to each other, with rollover minutes (of which I have about 6,000), and it's not $150/month.
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If you're paying $150/month, they REALLY hate you. I have two iPhones with unlimited data, I forget how many texts, plus a regular old person phone (for my Mom). We all share something like 900 minutes, unlimited to each other, with rollover minutes (of which I have about 6,000), and it's not $150/month.
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« Reply #271 on: October 20, 2011, 03:12:56 pm »
He pays extra to have his service drop randomly.

"Oh, you mean you *didn't* want the $100/month 'HATE' package?"
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« Reply #273 on: October 27, 2011, 12:43:39 pm »
Got one (Defender series).  It is clearly a very sturdy and safe case for an iPhone.  It also makes the phone difficult to use, impossible to fit into any docking station and too bulky to put in a pocket.  Gone naked again after just one week.

I've indeed noticed that you go commando with your iPhone.
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Got one (Defender series).  It is clearly a very sturdy and safe case for an iPhone.  It also makes the phone difficult to use, impossible to fit into any docking station and too bulky to put in a pocket.  Gone naked again after just one week.

For you iPhone 4?  With the 3, the case was too bulky for those things, but with my 4, it fits into everything very nicely.  I can't go commando with mine, I drop it WAY too often.  I have one for my Blackberry too.
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« Reply #275 on: October 27, 2011, 04:16:59 pm »
For you iPhone 4?  With the 3, the case was too bulky for those things, but with my 4, it fits into everything very nicely.  I can't go commando with mine, I drop it WAY too often.  I have one for my Blackberry too.

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« Reply #276 on: October 27, 2011, 05:00:22 pm »
Got one (Defender series).  It is clearly a very sturdy and safe case for an iPhone.  It also makes the phone difficult to use, impossible to fit into any docking station and too bulky to put in a pocket.  Gone naked again after just one week.

Damn.  Just ordered one a few days ago
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Re: New iPhone Today
« Reply #277 on: October 28, 2011, 06:18:06 am »
I too drop my phone way too often, I like my otterbox defender.
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Re: New iPhone Today
« Reply #278 on: October 28, 2011, 10:17:59 am »
I too drop my phone way too often, I like my otterbox defender.

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Re: New iPhone Today
« Reply #279 on: October 30, 2011, 03:48:03 am »
Damn.  Just ordered one a few days ago

I bought an otter box defender case when I went to my local AT&T store to activate my IPhone 4S.   It's worth every penny.    The only nuisance is that it has to be taken off to fit on my docking station.   However, since there are multiple IPhone chargers in my house, I just use them instead.   
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Re: New iPhone Today
« Reply #280 on: October 31, 2011, 09:10:44 am »
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So, it's true.  We get to see Katy Perry naked in heaven.

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Re: New iPhone Today
« Reply #281 on: October 31, 2011, 09:15:12 am »
I bought an otter box defender case when I went to my local AT&T store to activate my IPhone 4S.   It's worth every penny.    The only nuisance is that it has to be taken off to fit on my docking station.   However, since there are multiple IPhone chargers in my house, I just use them instead.   

Yeah, I had that problem with my last phone/cover, so I went with the Otterbox Reflex which was designed with that in mind.  The bottom half snaps off for docking
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Re: New iPhone Today
« Reply #282 on: October 31, 2011, 09:36:23 am »
The bottom half snaps off for docking

Are we still talking about Katy Perry?
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« Reply #283 on: October 31, 2011, 09:43:28 am »
Are we still talking about Katy Perry?

Katy Perry's... bottom half?
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Re: New iPhone Today
« Reply #284 on: October 31, 2011, 09:48:05 am »
So, it's true.  We get to see Katy Perry naked in heaven.

She's less than ten years away from that appearance in Playboy, I'm sure.
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« Reply #285 on: October 31, 2011, 10:09:10 am »
She's less than ten years away from that appearance in Playboy, I'm sure.

Not unless she develops Lindsey Lohan's meth habit.
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Re: New iPhone Today
« Reply #286 on: October 31, 2011, 02:22:05 pm »
She's less than ten years away from that appearance in Playboy, I'm sure.

Bill Maher on Playboy paying Lohan $1mm to pose nude:  "all they had to do was buy her a drink."
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