Author Topic: Astros @ Pirates 9/6/11 (Read 3010 times)

Mr. Happy · « **on:** September 06, 2011, 07:01:46 pm »

Astros up 2-1 top 4 under a miserable rain.

Mr. Happy · « **Reply #1 on:** September 06, 2011, 07:05:50 pm »

Astros get nothing in the top 4. 2-1 Astros Bottom 4

Jacksonian · « **Reply #2 on:** September 06, 2011, 07:10:57 pm »

Who was questioning Bogusevic's arm?

Mr. Happy · « **Reply #3 on:** September 06, 2011, 07:24:20 pm »

Quote from: Jacksonian on September 06, 2011, 07:10:57 pm

Who was questioning Bogusevic's arm?

Not me. I saw his cannon at Tulane firsthand.

Mr. Happy · « **Reply #4 on:** September 06, 2011, 07:43:39 pm »

2-1 Astros Top 7

austro · « **Reply #5 on:** September 06, 2011, 07:46:52 pm »

Looks like the rain has let up, but it still looks like a pretty miserable night to be at the ballpark.

chuck · « **Reply #6 on:** September 06, 2011, 07:52:24 pm »

I'm beginning to think that Paredes has the highest upside of any of the new generation of players the Astros have.

Lurch · « **Reply #7 on:** September 06, 2011, 07:54:23 pm »

Hell of a play by Pitts catcher

austro · « **Reply #8 on:** September 06, 2011, 07:54:28 pm »

Well, that sucks. How did Doumit make that catch?

chuck · « **Reply #9 on:** September 06, 2011, 07:59:02 pm »

I'm not sure I understand Schafer's approach at the plate with two on and two out.

Mr. Happy · « **Reply #10 on:** September 06, 2011, 08:12:42 pm »

Paredes is a player with a very high ceiling in my opinion. He needs to work on the mental aspects of the game, but that should come in time.

Ron Brand · « **Reply #11 on:** September 06, 2011, 08:18:55 pm »

Quote from: chuck on September 06, 2011, 07:52:24 pm

I'm beginning to think that Paredes has the highest upside of any of the new generation of players the Astros have.

Makes sense. He was a Yankee, after all.

Mr. Happy · « **Reply #12 on:** September 06, 2011, 08:24:36 pm »

Millsie fucked up by bringing in WW. The easy call was to leave Myers out there. After his error, he would have bore down on the next hitter.

Mr. Happy · « **Reply #13 on:** September 06, 2011, 08:28:24 pm »

Wellsir, the Piroots did us a huge favor by swinging at a 2-0 pitch after six consecutive balls. Conventional wisdom says you take a pitch there.

Navin R Johnson · « **Reply #14 on:** September 06, 2011, 08:28:30 pm »

Hopefully Myers has a couple more strong outings before the year is up and they can move him in the offseason.

Mr. Happy · « **Reply #15 on:** September 06, 2011, 08:30:56 pm »

Quote from: Navin R Johnson on September 06, 2011, 08:28:30 pm

Hopefully Myers has a couple more strong outings before the year is up and they can move him in the offseason.

Why? Who do you propose will take his place?

Matt · « **Reply #16 on:** September 06, 2011, 08:34:21 pm »

The PooHoles off-season circus should be entertaining.

Mr. Happy · « **Reply #17 on:** September 06, 2011, 08:36:40 pm »

Quote from: Matt on September 06, 2011, 08:34:21 pm

The PooHoles off-season circus should be entertaining.

Someone is going to give that fucker too long of a contract. I'd give him top money for three or four years tops. Otherwise, I'd take a pass and sign someone else.

Navin R Johnson · « **Reply #18 on:** September 06, 2011, 08:38:35 pm »

I'd be fine with any combo of Wandy, Bud, Lyles, Happ, and another youngster. They aren't going to contend next year nor extend him the season after next. I'd rather the Astros get more youngsters then keep Myers around.

Matt · « **Reply #19 on:** September 06, 2011, 08:38:38 pm »

Quote from: Mr. Happy on September 06, 2011, 08:36:40 pm

Someone is going to give that fucker too long of a contract. I'd give him top money for three or four years tops. Otherwise, I'd take a pass and sign someone else.

Well yeah, the dude is already like 40. I hope its the Jakes that overpay because fuck them.

austro · « **Reply #20 on:** September 06, 2011, 08:39:28 pm »

Quote from: Mr. Happy on September 06, 2011, 08:36:40 pm

Someone is going to give that fucker too long of a contract. I'd give him top money for three or four years tops. Otherwise, I'd take a pass and sign someone else.

But he's going to insist on something like 8 years, because he knows that somebody will pay it.

Matt · « **Reply #21 on:** September 06, 2011, 08:40:19 pm »

Quote from: austro on September 06, 2011, 08:39:28 pm

But he's going to insist on something like 8 years, because he knows that somebody will pay it.

I believe they're already talking about a 9 year contract.

Mr. Happy · « **Reply #22 on:** September 06, 2011, 08:44:26 pm »

Quote from: Matt on September 06, 2011, 08:40:19 pm

I believe they're already talking about a 9 year contract.

That's insane. Unless the fucker stays in awesome shape like Julio Franco, and he doesn't look like that, he'll likely be horseshit by the time that he's 35 if he's not that already.

Mr. Happy · « **Reply #23 on:** September 06, 2011, 08:46:19 pm »

Altuve has got to learn to stop automatically swinging at the first pitch.

Matt · « **Reply #24 on:** September 06, 2011, 08:46:46 pm »

Quote from: Mr. Happy on September 06, 2011, 08:44:26 pm

That's insane. Unless the fucker stays in awesome shape like Julio Franco, and he doesn't look like that, he'll likely be horseshit by the time that he's 35 if he's not that already.

Completely insane. But if they don't try and sign him then the BFiB will all die from heart attacks right in their motorized scooters.

Matt · « **Reply #25 on:** September 06, 2011, 08:47:15 pm »

Quote from: Mr. Happy on September 06, 2011, 08:46:19 pm

Altuve has got to learn to stop automatically swinging at the first pitch.

Didn't Alou do that too?

austro · « **Reply #26 on:** September 06, 2011, 08:47:54 pm »

Quote from: Mr. Happy on September 06, 2011, 08:44:26 pm

That's insane. Unless the fucker stays in awesome shape like Julio Franco, and he doesn't look like that, he'll likely be horseshit by the time that he's 35 if he's not that already.

Yeah, somebody's going to get fucked on that contract. He's 31 right now (wink, wink). It's hard to say if this year's performance is the result of injury or the start of a decline, but I have a sneaking suspicion that his decline will be rapid. Anything over four years is going to expose the winning bidder to a lot of risk.

Mr. Happy · « **Reply #27 on:** September 06, 2011, 08:49:48 pm »

Altuve has a lot to prove before we start comparing him to Alou, who was a fastball hitting machine. There is a difference between being a badball hitter and expanding your strikezone. Altuve is doing the latter.

Mr. Happy · « **Reply #28 on:** September 06, 2011, 08:56:00 pm »

Pitch Doumit very carefully.

Mr. Happy · « **Reply #29 on:** September 06, 2011, 08:58:56 pm »

Ball game. 4-1 Myers goes to 4-13.

jbm · « **Reply #30 on:** September 06, 2011, 09:08:59 pm »

Quote from: chuck on September 06, 2011, 07:52:24 pm

I'm beginning to think that Paredes has the highest upside of any of the new generation of players the Astros have.

He does look awfully promising at the plate. Much better than I expected. No dog with the glove either

That is looking like one he'll of a trade.

Mr. Happy · « **Reply #31 on:** September 06, 2011, 09:10:36 pm »

Quote from: jbm on September 06, 2011, 09:08:59 pm

He does look awfully promising at the plate. Much better than I expected. No dog with the glove either

That is looking like one he'll of a trade.

The best thing is that he's still raw. I like his glove. He's much better than CJ, and he's younger.

Lurch · « **Reply #32 on:** September 06, 2011, 09:24:45 pm »

Mills still thinks we need a play by play rundown in the post game presser. Maybe we can recruit him for recaps next season.

BudGirl · « **Reply #33 on:** September 06, 2011, 09:30:07 pm »

Quote from: Lurch on September 06, 2011, 09:24:45 pm

Mills still thinks we need a play by play rundown in the post game presser. Maybe we can recruit him for recaps next season.

You want to write any?

Lurch · « **Reply #34 on:** September 06, 2011, 09:32:32 pm »

Quote from: BudGirl on September 06, 2011, 09:30:07 pm

You want to write any?

This user is currently ignored.

Mr. Happy · « **Reply #35 on:** September 06, 2011, 09:56:39 pm »

I must have pissed off someone recently because I noticed that one soul is ignoring me now. Oh well.

Jacksonian · « **Reply #36 on:** September 06, 2011, 10:06:13 pm »

Quote from: chuck on September 06, 2011, 07:52:24 pm

I'm beginning to think that Paredes has the highest upside of any of the new generation of players the Astros have.

He was considered a great athlete with piss poor plate discipline. It looks like his glove is better than some scouts indicated. Bastards.

Mr. Happy · « **Reply #37 on:** September 06, 2011, 10:10:57 pm »

Quote from: Jacksonian on September 06, 2011, 10:06:13 pm

He was considered a great athlete with piss poor plate discipline. It looks like his glove is better than some scouts indicated. Bastards.

He appears to have much better plate discipline than Altuve.

Jacksonian · « **Reply #38 on:** September 06, 2011, 10:22:05 pm »

Quote from: Mr. Happy on September 06, 2011, 10:10:57 pm

He appears to have much better plate discipline than Altuve.

Maybe. But the results so far fairly well mirror their work in the minors. Altuve hitting around .300 while striking out at a 13% of at-bats rate. Paredes hitting around .280 while striking out a way too high 30% of at-bats rate. Neither appear happy to take a walk.

Mr. Happy · « **Reply #39 on:** September 06, 2011, 11:38:22 pm »

Quote from: Jacksonian on September 06, 2011, 10:22:05 pm

Maybe. But the results so far fairly well mirror their work in the minors. Altuve hitting around .300 while striking out at a 13% of at-bats rate. Paredes hitting around .280 while striking out a way too high 30% of at-bats rate. Neither appear happy to take a walk.

As I can see it, Altuve is a top of the order hitter in the big leagues, so his OBP will be important. Unless he develops some power, Altuve better start walking and having some plate discipline. Paredes, on the other hand, has some power and will hit toward the middle of the order, so walking won't be as important as long as he drives in runs. Strike outs will be forgiven too if he drives in runs.