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If Crane can't get the Friedman/Hun
« on: August 14, 2011, 11:19:16 pm »
Here's MLBTR's list of the top 20 GM candidates:

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/08/mlbtrs-gm-candidates.html
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Re: If Crane can't get the Friedman/Hun
« Reply #1 on: August 15, 2011, 01:50:34 pm »
Pinwheel just tweeted that the owners postponed this week's scheduled vote on Crane as "questions linger."
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Re: If Crane can't get the Friedman/Hun
« Reply #2 on: August 15, 2011, 01:51:16 pm »
Quote from: Mr. Happy on August 15, 2011, 01:50:34 pm
Pinwheel just tweeted that the owners postponed this week's scheduled vote on Crane as "questions linger."

WTF?
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Re: If Crane can't get the Friedman/Hun
« Reply #3 on: August 15, 2011, 01:54:11 pm »
Quote from: MusicMan on August 15, 2011, 01:51:16 pm
WTF?


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Re: If Crane can't get the Friedman/Hun
« Reply #4 on: August 15, 2011, 02:05:02 pm »
MLB knew all this shit before the agreement to purchase.  Sounds more like them saying to him:  We let you in if you agree to move.

I don't know what the legal implications are of Crane just saying the deal is off.  I suppose he is liable for something in that case.  More likely, he can continue to wait them out, leaving the decision in their court: take me and the Astros as they presently are (in other words, I will not agree to move) or reject me. 

I also wonder if an MLB statement of "If you won't move, we won't approve" would open them up to a lawsuit from Drayton. 
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Re: If Crane can't get the Friedman/Hun
« Reply #5 on: August 15, 2011, 02:05:52 pm »
Quote from: jbm on August 15, 2011, 02:05:02 pm
I also wonder if an MLB statement of "If you won't move, we won't approve" would open them up to a lawsuit from Drayton. 

Part of the agreement for all MLB owners is that the agree not to sue MLB.
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Re: If Crane can't get the Friedman/Hun
« Reply #6 on: August 15, 2011, 02:10:38 pm »
Quote from: MusicMan on August 15, 2011, 02:05:52 pm
Part of the agreement for all MLB owners is that the agree not to sue MLB.

Thanks for that info.  That question had been on my mind lately. 

It still seems like bad business to me.  Having your little exclusive club where you will fuck over one of your own over piddly shit seems like a bad policy for attracting members.
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Re: If Crane can't get the Friedman/Hun
« Reply #7 on: August 15, 2011, 02:17:10 pm »
Here is the part I still don't get... Crane has willingly agreed to pay $680M for the Astros. Let that sink in for a second.

Six hundred and eighty million dollars.

For the Astros.

Gotta believe that a $680M sale price on the Astros can't do anything but help the value of other franchises.  Makes no sense.

And on that note, does anyone think that Drayton could possibly get someone else to pay $680M for the Astros right now? $580M? $500M?  Drayton may be willing to let Bud run over the Astros here and again (and again, and again), but I can imagine he'll sit back and watch $50M-$100M fly out the window without trying to do something about it...
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Re: If Crane can't get the Friedman/Hun
« Reply #8 on: August 15, 2011, 02:18:39 pm »
Agree with OSF, this doesn't make much sense.  Anyone know what the other group who I think was lead by Friedman's dad was offering up?
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Re: If Crane can't get the Friedman/Hun
« Reply #9 on: August 15, 2011, 02:19:10 pm »
maybe they want him to purchase the mets or dodgers.
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Re: If Crane can't get the Friedman/Hun
« Reply #10 on: August 15, 2011, 02:19:57 pm »
Is there maybe a problem with the financing or the debt load?
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Re: If Crane can't get the Friedman/Hun
« Reply #11 on: August 15, 2011, 02:23:44 pm »
RJ is on 1560 right now, he said the financing isn't the issue, it is more about his background and Eagle Logistics. 
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Re: If Crane can't get the Friedman/Hun
« Reply #12 on: August 15, 2011, 02:32:41 pm »
Quote from: Navin R Johnson on August 15, 2011, 02:23:44 pm
RJ is on 1560 right now, he said the financing isn't the issue, it is more about his background and Eagle Logistics. 

This kind of brings me back to the other thread.  Don't reporters do their jobs anymore.  One obvious question which really should have been asked for months really, and especially now would be:  Well, the lawsuits involving Crane have been around for years, why did MLB not step in earlier, or what new info is there which is causing the holdup? 

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Re: If Crane can't get the Friedman/Hun
« Reply #13 on: August 15, 2011, 02:51:23 pm »
Quote from: jbm on August 15, 2011, 02:05:02 pm
MLB knew all this shit before the agreement to purchase.  Sounds more like them saying to him:  We let you in if you agree to move.

Hell of a leap there
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Re: If Crane can't get the Friedman/Hun
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Re: If Crane can't get the Friedman/Hun
« Reply #15 on: August 15, 2011, 03:03:08 pm »
Somewhere, Donald Sterling is laughing.  And taking a shit on a single mom.
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Re: If Crane can't get the Friedman/Hun
« Reply #16 on: August 15, 2011, 03:05:01 pm »
Quote from: Lurch on August 15, 2011, 02:51:23 pm
Hell of a leap there

Well, MLB has definitely known about this for a long time, probably well before the Rangers were sold.  So why are they bringing up old shit now?  Couple that with the rumors swirling about realignment, Crane's reported desire to stay in the NL, and the fact that it has been reported numerous times in blogs and such. 

However, I agree it is a leap since I have no firsthand knowledge whatsoever.  Maybe if Justice would report why it isn't extremely odd to be rehashing old shit which was presumably settled a long time ago, then I wouldn't have to be conspiratorial.   
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Re: If Crane can't get the Friedman/Hun
« Reply #17 on: August 15, 2011, 03:12:13 pm »
Quote from: GreatBagwellsBeard on August 15, 2011, 03:03:08 pm
Somewhere, Donald Sterling is laughing.  And taking a shit on a single mom.

What a despicable, evil man.
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Re: If Crane can't get the Friedman/Hun
« Reply #18 on: August 15, 2011, 06:40:43 pm »
FYI

Some more from RJ on the delay.  It isn't just Crane they are looking into, it is the 11+ primary investors too.  RJ said that Selig called Drayton Sunday afternoon to tell him that MLB hadn't finished up the reports on each investor that they are delivering to all the MLB owners.

Supposedly Drayton had already planned a "passing of the torch" event on Saturday where he and Crane were going to throw out the first pitch together so this news really caught him off guard.

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Re: If Crane can't get the Friedman/Hun
« Reply #19 on: August 15, 2011, 06:44:14 pm »
From Rosenthal

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/Houston-Astros-Jim-Crane-Bud-Selig-team-sale-issues-091511

One tidbit. "The Astros have been mentioned prominently in baseball’s potential realignment, but that is not currently believed to be a hang-up in the approval of Crane."
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Re: If Crane can't get the Friedman/Hun
« Reply #20 on: August 15, 2011, 06:56:15 pm »
Purpura would have been top 5 ten years ago
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« Reply #21 on: August 18, 2011, 07:41:52 am »
Friedman has no interest. 
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Re: If Crane can't get the Friedman/Hun
« Reply #22 on: August 18, 2011, 08:13:20 am »
Quote from: NeilT on August 18, 2011, 07:41:52 am
Friedman has no interest. 

Where does this info come from?
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« Reply #24 on: August 18, 2011, 08:54:13 am »
I'm going to throw out a theory with the added qualification that this is pure and unquestionable speculation with no basis in reality.

What if this approval process for Crane is being leveraged to allow McLane to rebuild the club and cut payroll without having to take the head directly?  All of the trades and salary dump maneuvers can be blamed on the "new owner's direction".  After all, the new owner was all but approved, the final decision just a rubber-stamp process (only it isn't!). 

It's far fetched... admittedly.
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Re: If Crane can't get the Friedman/Hun
« Reply #25 on: August 18, 2011, 08:56:41 am »
Quote from: S.P. Rodriguez on August 18, 2011, 08:54:13 am
I'm going to throw out a theory with the added qualification that this is pure and unquestionable speculation with no basis in reality.

What if this approval process for Crane is being leveraged to allow McLane to rebuild the club and cut payroll without having to take the head directly?  All of the trades and salary dump maneuvers can be blamed on the "new owner's direction".  After all, the new owner was all but approved, the final decision just a rubber-stamp process (only it isn't!). 

It's far fetched... admittedly.

This is where you say "It's an idea - not something I've thought about enough to support or not support."
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« Reply #26 on: August 18, 2011, 08:59:14 am »
Quote from: Lurch on August 18, 2011, 08:56:41 am
This is where you say "It's an idea - not something I've thought about enough to support or not support."

It's unfortunate that's too unwieldy to promote to acronym status: IAI-NSITAETSONS just isn't going to work.
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« Reply #27 on: August 18, 2011, 09:21:15 am »
Quote from: austro on August 18, 2011, 08:59:14 am
It's unfortunate that's too unwieldy to promote to acronym status: IAI-NSITAETSONS just isn't going to work.

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« Reply #28 on: August 18, 2011, 10:22:20 am »
Hey, if Crane gets shot down, I'm not sure it would hurt my feelings much.  There's certainly the possibility that McLane might change the way he runs the ball club but I'd bet against it.
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« Reply #29 on: August 18, 2011, 10:28:16 am »
Then there's always the theory that Crane is actually trying to back out again but MLB is trying to keep him in.

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« Reply #30 on: August 18, 2011, 10:36:56 am »
Quote from: jaklewein on August 18, 2011, 10:22:20 am
Hey, if Crane gets shot down, I'm not sure it would hurt my feelings much.  There's certainly the possibility that McLane might change the way he runs the ball club but I'd bet against it.

It's not like McLane can just call up the Phils and Braves and be like, "My bad.  I still want to play like a champion today" anyway.  The course is set for the next several years.
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Re: If Crane can't get the Friedman/Hun
« Reply #31 on: August 18, 2011, 12:17:41 pm »
Quote from: GreatBagwellsBeard on August 18, 2011, 10:36:56 am
It's not like McLane can just call up the Phils and Braves and be like, "My bad.  I still want to play like a champion today" anyway.  The course is set for the next several years.

That is the beauty of my proposed conspiracy.  Being the hand-shaking marketer that he is, McLane can now blame this unpopular direction on the failed new ownership group! GEEEEEEEEEEEENIUS!
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« Reply #32 on: August 18, 2011, 12:34:39 pm »
What is Crane's motivation to join this plot?  To waste time, money and reputation? 
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« Reply #33 on: August 18, 2011, 02:38:04 pm »
Quote from: GreatBagwellsBeard on August 18, 2011, 10:36:56 am
It's not like McLane can just call up the Phils and Braves and be like, "My bad.  I still want to play like a champion today" anyway.  The course is set for the next several years.

Right.  Obviously the team is going to be in a tough spot for a few years.  The point I was trying to get accross was that I'd think that McLain would raise the payroll again when the time came around that it again made sense to do so (i.e. adding proven vets to a more developed young nucleaus of players).
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« Reply #34 on: August 18, 2011, 03:02:37 pm »
Quote from: S.P. Rodriguez on August 18, 2011, 08:54:13 am
I'm going to throw out a theory with the added qualification that this is pure and unquestionable speculation with no basis in reality.

What if this approval process for Crane is being leveraged to allow McLane to rebuild the club and cut payroll without having to take the head directly?  All of the trades and salary dump maneuvers can be blamed on the "new owner's direction".  After all, the new owner was all but approved, the final decision just a rubber-stamp process (only it isn't!). 

It's far fetched... admittedly.

You forgot the role of the Stonecutters.
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« Reply #35 on: August 18, 2011, 03:13:19 pm »
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You forgot the role of the Stonecutters.

Thanks, but I find it best to not over-do it.
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Re: If Crane can't get the Friedman/Hun
« Reply #36 on: August 19, 2011, 01:17:10 pm »
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You forgot the role of the Stonecutters.

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« Reply #37 on: August 19, 2011, 02:04:29 pm »
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Thanks, but I find it best to not over-do it.

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« Reply #38 on: August 21, 2011, 05:22:58 pm »
Buster just said that "it looks like" Friedman will be offered the GM job, but that if he wanted a bigger payroll he should talk to the Cubs.

Nothing major, just thought I'd mention it.
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« Reply #39 on: August 22, 2011, 03:56:48 am »
Quote from: cougar on August 21, 2011, 05:22:58 pm
Buster just said that "it looks like" Friedman will be offered the GM job, but that if he wanted a bigger payroll he should talk to the Cubs.

Nothing major, just thought I'd mention it.

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« Reply #40 on: August 22, 2011, 08:16:10 am »
Quote from: MRaup on August 22, 2011, 03:56:48 am
Buster Olney needs a new name. All I can ever think about is Buster from Arrested Development when I see his name. "YOU OLD HORNY SLUT!"

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