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« on: May 01, 2011, 09:57:34 pm »
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« Reply #1 on: May 01, 2011, 10:02:18 pm »
Burn in Hell, motherfucker.

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« Reply #2 on: May 01, 2011, 10:28:12 pm »
I'd pay good money for the opportunity to piss on his corpse!!!
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« Reply #3 on: May 01, 2011, 10:37:00 pm »
All I have to say is they better be fuckin' sure...
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« Reply #4 on: May 01, 2011, 10:46:40 pm »
All I have to say is they better be fuckin' sure...

Or....?

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« Reply #5 on: May 01, 2011, 10:48:18 pm »
Or....?

I do not want America to be embarrassed on a global stage.......again......
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« Reply #6 on: May 01, 2011, 10:48:27 pm »
Mission Accomplished!

In all seriousness,

Burn in Hell, motherfucker.

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« Reply #7 on: May 01, 2011, 10:53:51 pm »
I do not want America to be embarrassed on a global stage.......again......

They went in, shot him and then dragged his corpse out of Pakistan. I'd say they're sure this time.

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« Reply #8 on: May 01, 2011, 11:06:19 pm »
God bless our special ops forces. I sure as hell would love to by a beer for the guy that pulled the trigger.
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« Reply #9 on: May 01, 2011, 11:19:39 pm »
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« Reply #10 on: May 02, 2011, 05:16:51 am »
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The U.S. team took custody of bin Laden's remains. A U.S. official later said bin Laden had been buried at sea and the remains were handled in accordance with Islamic practice, which calls for speedy burial.

I would have preferred to have his corpse stuck on a post and left to rot next to ground zero. He deserved no better treatment, who gives a flying fuck about some Islamic practice when it comes to burying a murdering terrorist. I honor those that killed him as I honor those he had killed.
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« Reply #11 on: May 02, 2011, 06:55:38 am »
I do not want America to be embarrassed on a global stage.......again......

Ah.

I think you can rest assured that will happen at some point.

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« Reply #12 on: May 02, 2011, 06:57:10 am »
I would have preferred to have his corpse stuck on a post and left to rot next to ground zero. He deserved no better treatment, who gives a flying fuck about some Islamic practice when it comes to burying a murdering terrorist. I honor those that killed him as I honor those he had killed.

Yes, by all means, let's give people more reasons to retaliate.   

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« Reply #13 on: May 02, 2011, 06:57:35 am »
Local news here just said that "speedy burial at sea" = "we didn't want to bury him on land and give him a place where terrorism can celebrate him as a martyr."
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« Reply #14 on: May 02, 2011, 06:59:05 am »
so, any idea what does this means for our troops in afghanistan?
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« Reply #15 on: May 02, 2011, 07:57:16 am »
so, any idea what does this means for our troops in afghanistan?

Probably not much. They will still need to improve the security situation and have to sit there long enough for it to stick. I don't believe OBL was essential to the Pakistanis (and whoever) funding the Taliban, so they aren't likely to give up.

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« Reply #16 on: May 02, 2011, 09:06:25 am »
Yes, by all means, let's give people more reasons to retaliate.  

These people retaliate over fucking cartoons.
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« Reply #17 on: May 02, 2011, 09:09:55 am »
Yes, by all means, let's give people more reasons to retaliate.   

like they need a reason. fuck them.
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« Reply #18 on: May 02, 2011, 09:41:46 am »
Albeit that it leaves a sort of "meh" feeling, after thinking about it, I'm all in favour of the burial at sea.

"What do we do with the body?"

"Throw that piece of shit over the side."

"Done!"


I also like the fact that he was shot in the head "resisting".  I'm guessing he got a friendly double-tap to the back of the head.  Swift and efficient, and avoiding the horrendous circus that would certainly ensue his live capture.
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« Reply #19 on: May 02, 2011, 09:51:08 am »
No funeral, no gravesite, no martyrdom, no place to commemorate for his followers. Burial at sea was genius.
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« Reply #20 on: May 02, 2011, 09:52:42 am »
No funeral, no gravesite, no martyrdom, no place to commemorate for his followers. Burial at sea was genius.

And probably decided upon many years ago.
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« Reply #22 on: May 02, 2011, 09:54:16 am »
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« Reply #23 on: May 02, 2011, 10:17:11 am »
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« Reply #24 on: May 02, 2011, 10:19:10 am »
Here's the google map of dick Waden's compound.
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« Reply #25 on: May 02, 2011, 10:20:29 am »
Philly fans react to the news of bin Laden's death.

I love the doofus "chesting up" with his Team USA WBC baseball jersey.  Way to go, guy. 
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« Reply #26 on: May 02, 2011, 10:22:40 am »
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« Reply #28 on: May 02, 2011, 10:24:11 am »
No funeral, no gravesite, no martyrdom, no place to commemorate for his followers. Burial at sea was genius.

Like the guilty at Nuremberg.  I always thought that was genius as well.

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« Reply #29 on: May 02, 2011, 10:26:19 am »
Here's the google map of dick Waden's compound.

A lot of question if that is it.  Described as having multiple internal walls separating parts of the compound and having two security gate entries which doesn't seem to fit the image.

Also, the sat imagery is supposedly from 2005, and the compound was built 5 years ago, so it is possible the compound isn't viewable via Google
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« Reply #30 on: May 02, 2011, 10:29:37 am »
Here's a good write up of the operation and the seals team that took him out.

...they replicated the one-acre compound. Trial runs were held in early April.
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« Reply #31 on: May 02, 2011, 10:43:51 am »
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« Reply #32 on: May 02, 2011, 10:46:19 am »
No funeral, no gravesite, no martyrdom, no place to commemorate for his followers. Burial at sea was genius.
That's way too sensible to appeal to my inner savage, but my brain says yes. Except some will still call him a martyr.
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« Reply #33 on: May 02, 2011, 10:52:20 am »
President Obama?  Fox "News" says he is.

That's pretty hilarious.  I'm amazed he resisted throwing in the "Hussein."
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« Reply #34 on: May 02, 2011, 10:56:25 am »
Here's a good write up of the operation and the seals team that took him out.

...they replicated the one-acre compound. Trial runs were held in early April.


Ahh...double-tap to the side of the head.  I was just a little off.
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« Reply #35 on: May 02, 2011, 11:54:47 am »
President Obama?  Fox "News" says he is.
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« Reply #36 on: May 02, 2011, 12:12:04 pm »
I don't say this very often, but congratulations to President Obama for pulling neither a Jimmah Cartah screwup nor a Billy Jeff "not enough actionable intelligence" out and getting the job done without alerting other world leaders in advance. I think that the whole ordeal was handled masterfully, including the strict adherence to Islamic burial ritual to the burial at sea: our fight is not with Islam. Kudos to our men and women in the military, and specifically to the bad ass Navy SEALs who pulled this off.
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« Reply #37 on: May 02, 2011, 12:13:10 pm »
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« Reply #38 on: May 02, 2011, 12:18:42 pm »
http://tinyurl.com/3bnf7zd

You would think after all of those little chryon "accidents" Fox has had for the past...well, ever, somebody would pay better attention.  It's not like that shit's intentional, right?

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« Reply #39 on: May 02, 2011, 12:21:24 pm »
Actually, last night I received an e-mail news update from WWL AM in New Orleans with the subject line "Obama Bin Laden Dead." This was followed shortly by a mea culpa mea culpa mea maxima culpa e-mail from the station. I didn't even notice it until I got the retraction.
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« Reply #40 on: May 02, 2011, 12:23:49 pm »
You would think after all of those little chryon "accidents" Fox has had for the past...well, ever, somebody would pay better attention.  It's not like that shit's intentional, right?

That's the only reason I can see to watch that channel.

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« Reply #41 on: May 02, 2011, 01:09:03 pm »
A lot of question if that is it.  Described as having multiple internal walls separating parts of the compound and having two security gate entries which doesn't seem to fit the image.

Also, the sat imagery is supposedly from 2005, and the compound was built 5 years ago, so it is possible the compound isn't viewable via Google

And here it is

per MSNBC
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« Reply #42 on: May 02, 2011, 01:22:28 pm »
Here's a good write up of the operation and the seals team that took him out.

...they replicated the one-acre compound. Trial runs were held in early April.

Great read.  If anyone sees other good ones, please link 'em!
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« Reply #43 on: May 02, 2011, 01:25:38 pm »
Great read.  If anyone sees other good ones, please link 'em!

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« Reply #44 on: May 02, 2011, 01:26:15 pm »
You would think after all of those little chryon "accidents" Fox has had for the past...well, ever, somebody would pay better attention.  It's not like that shit's intentional, right?

two guys on here make this great day an opportunity for partisan politics. guess which two.
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« Reply #45 on: May 02, 2011, 01:35:11 pm »
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« Reply #46 on: May 02, 2011, 01:36:13 pm »
two guys on here make this great day an opportunity for partisan politics. guess which two.

It's not politics to shit on Fox News.  They're just terrible at what they're supposed to be doing.  The Hunter Pence of cable news, if you will.
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« Reply #47 on: May 02, 2011, 01:38:48 pm »
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« Reply #48 on: May 02, 2011, 01:39:38 pm »
It's not politics to shit on Fox News. 

It's ethics.
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« Reply #49 on: May 02, 2011, 01:45:11 pm »
The Hunter Pence of cable news, if you will.

That's a little unfair to Pence, who may very well be unaware that he's screwing up.
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« Reply #51 on: May 02, 2011, 04:02:52 pm »
What a great day for the USA.  That evil SOB had caused so much pain, not only here but with his network's senseless bombings and killings worldwide.

I was watching CNN this morning, and they had the father of a 9-11 victim on. They were undoubtedly hoping for a feel-good interview, but the guy immediately started blasting the Clinton administration for creating a wall protecting the terrorists by treating them as regular civilian criminals instead of war criminals. Then when the anchor tried to redirect him, and asked if he thought Obama was doing a better job and if he was happy just for this one day, he went on to blast Obama as well, and said he was disappointed to see the circus atmosphere of last night and today.

My first instinct was to think "man, this guy is bananas and just a bitter dude." But the more I thought about it, you gotta feel for the guy - he lost his son, and you gotta think its torn him up every day of his life since then. That's really the only reason he's angry about things not moving quickly enough. It actually served to remind me how much and how long it has directly impacted folks who had family at the Towers. For this guy, its something he's thought about every day of his life, not just on anniversaries and during memorial services.
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« Reply #52 on: May 02, 2011, 04:13:02 pm »
It's not politics to shit on Fox News.  They're just terrible at what they're supposed to be doing.  The Hunter Pence of cable news, if you will.

and MSNBC (or CNN for that matter) is good at what they do??  Each lean heavily in opposite directions, the fact that your tilt is on line with one is the reason you hate the other so much.  I am conservative and I find "fair and balanced" comical, but I cannot watch two minutes of MSNBC without wanting to throw up.  I try not to watch any of them.  If Fox is Hunter Pence then MSNBC is Manny Ramirez.

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« Reply #53 on: May 02, 2011, 04:17:03 pm »
and MSNBC (or CNN for that matter) is good at what they do??  Each lean heavily in opposite directions, the fact that your tilt is on line with one is the reason you hate the other so much.  I am conservative and I find "fair and balanced" comical, but I cannot watch two minutes of MSNBC without wanting to throw up.  I try not to watch any of them.  If Fox is Hunter Pence then MSNBC is Manny Ramirez.

this is my position too. they are ALL unfair and unbalanced, and i do not watch any of them. CNN is every bit as bad, and i am a Dem.
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« Reply #54 on: May 02, 2011, 04:27:12 pm »
Hey... it's a FNC v. MSNBC v. CNN shitfest... again. It seems that every thread devoted to something important devolves into this discussion at some point.

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« Reply #55 on: May 02, 2011, 04:27:24 pm »
this is my position too. they are ALL unfair and unbalanced, and i do not watch any of them. CNN is every bit as bad, and i am a Dem.

good to know that there are people on the other side of the aisle that can see through the bullshit as well.

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« Reply #56 on: May 02, 2011, 04:32:00 pm »
Hey... it's a FNC v. MSNBC v. CNN shitfest... again. It seems that every thread devoted to something important devolves into this discussion at some point.

agreed. i never should have taken the bait. mea culpa.
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« Reply #57 on: May 02, 2011, 04:38:35 pm »
agreed. i never should have taken the bait. mea culpa.

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« Reply #58 on: May 02, 2011, 04:48:55 pm »
and MSNBC (or CNN for that matter) is good at what they do??  Each lean heavily in opposite directions, the fact that your tilt is on line with one is the reason you hate the other so much.  I am conservative and I find "fair and balanced" comical, but I cannot watch two minutes of MSNBC without wanting to throw up.  I try not to watch any of them.  If Fox is Hunter Pence then MSNBC is Manny Ramirez.

Who's talking about MSNBC?  Who even watches MSNBC?

Also, MSNBC has never done anything even a fraction as good as Manny Ramirez can hit a baseball.  That's insulting. 
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« Reply #59 on: May 02, 2011, 04:49:59 pm »
this is my position too. they are ALL unfair and unbalanced, and i do not watch any of them. CNN is every bit as bad, and i am a Dem.

Which way does CNN lean?
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« Reply #60 on: May 02, 2011, 04:55:27 pm »
Which way does CNN lean?

Towards the "N". Not enough "C".

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« Reply #61 on: May 02, 2011, 05:01:15 pm »
C'mon y'all, I'm asking REALLY NICELY HERE, but with all sincerity please stop the Democrat/Republican/CNN/Fox/MSNBC, etc. stuff here and now (y'all DO know what I'm talking about).  If you want to start the typical diarrhea of the mouth again regarding those 'issues,' please create a new thread and talk about it there so the rest of us that are sick of this BS can avoid it.  

I actually am interested in this thread, but couldn't give a shit about your political opinions, snarks, digs, etc.

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« Reply #62 on: May 02, 2011, 05:17:09 pm »
OK,

I will state that I have a hard time celebrating the death of anyone. I believe what OBL did was terrible beyond imagination. I am not sorry that he is no longer there, for many reasons. I have seen too many people celebrate terrible things that have happened in the US, Europe, Australia, the Middle East, Asia, and elsewhere, and I always wondered how they could.

I am not sorry he is gone.

I am happy for those who needed him to be gone.

I am hopeful for those who resisted his influence.

I honor those who fought to eliminate him and people like him.

I cannot celebrate that it was necessary.

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« Reply #63 on: May 02, 2011, 05:28:29 pm »
OK,

I will state that I have a hard time celebrating the death of anyone. I believe what OBL did was terrible beyond imagination. I am not sorry that he is no longer there, for many reasons. I have seen too many people celebrate terrible things that have happened in the US, Europe, Australia, the Middle East, Asia, and elsewhere, and I always wondered how they could.

I am not sorry he is gone.

I am happy for those who needed him to be gone.

I am hopeful for those who resisted his influence.

I honor those who fought to eliminate him and people like him.

I cannot celebrate that it was necessary.



Agreed, but like a lot of folks I feel some closure with the death.  Same time, though, I figure it's largely illusory.  Shit will start back up soon enough.
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« Reply #64 on: May 02, 2011, 05:29:14 pm »
C'mon y'all, I'm asking REALLY NICELY HERE, but with all sincerity please stop the Democrat/Republican/CNN/Fox/MSNBC, etc. stuff here and now (y'all DO know what I'm talking about).  If you want to start the typical diarrhea of the mouth again regarding those 'issues,' please create a new thread and talk about it there so the rest of us that are sick of this BS can avoid it.  

I actually am interested in this thread, but couldn't give a shit about your political opinions, snarks, digs, etc.

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« Reply #65 on: May 02, 2011, 05:31:50 pm »
Agreed, but like a lot of folks I feel some closure with the death.  Same time, though, I figure it's largely illusory.  Shit will start back up soon enough.

It doesn't really feel like VE day, but I think it's certainly an important advancement in the war on terror (however you choose to define it).  There will always be bad guys but it's always good to get them when you can.
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« Reply #66 on: May 02, 2011, 05:47:28 pm »
I am very conservative and don't watch FoxNews. Obviously, I can't take MSNBC or CNN either. I get my news from various internet sources,especially Twitter, which phenomenally covered last night.
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« Reply #67 on: May 02, 2011, 06:43:07 pm »
OK,

I will state that I have a hard time celebrating the death of anyone. I believe what OBL did was terrible beyond imagination. I am not sorry that he is no longer there, for many reasons. I have seen too many people celebrate terrible things that have happened in the US, Europe, Australia, the Middle East, Asia, and elsewhere, and I always wondered how they could.

I am not sorry he is gone.

I am happy for those who needed him to be gone.

I am hopeful for those who resisted his influence.

I honor those who fought to eliminate him and people like him.

I cannot celebrate that it was necessary.



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« Reply #68 on: May 02, 2011, 06:53:08 pm »
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« Reply #69 on: May 02, 2011, 06:56:06 pm »
Rashard Mendenhall volunteers for this week's SNL "Really?" skit.
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« Reply #70 on: May 02, 2011, 07:52:41 pm »
This is even better:

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I almost feel bad for the Rooneys. 

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« Reply #71 on: May 02, 2011, 07:59:15 pm »
This is even better:

I almost feel bad for the Rooneys. 

Nah.


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« Reply #72 on: May 02, 2011, 07:59:39 pm »
Alex Jones just liked Rashard Mendenhall on facebook.
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« Reply #73 on: May 02, 2011, 08:35:13 pm »
Rashard Mendenhall volunteers for this week's SNL "Really?" skit.

Someone's had a few concussions too many.

Or, he just started out stupid.
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« Reply #75 on: May 02, 2011, 10:00:51 pm »
and MSNBC (or CNN for that matter) is good at what they do??  Each lean heavily in opposite directions, the fact that your tilt is on line with one is the reason you hate the other so much.  I am conservative and I find "fair and balanced" comical, but I cannot watch two minutes of MSNBC without wanting to throw up.  I try not to watch any of them.  If Fox is Hunter Pence then MSNBC is Manny Ramirez.

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« Reply #76 on: May 02, 2011, 11:25:45 pm »
OK,

I will state that I have a hard time celebrating the death of anyone. I believe what OBL did was terrible beyond imagination. I am not sorry that he is no longer there, for many reasons. I have seen too many people celebrate terrible things that have happened in the US, Europe, Australia, the Middle East, Asia, and elsewhere, and I always wondered how they could.

I am not sorry he is gone.

I am happy for those who needed him to be gone.

I am hopeful for those who resisted his influence.

I honor those who fought to eliminate him and people like him.

I cannot celebrate that it was necessary.



I agree with most of that, but I have zero problem celebrating his death. I keep seeing this quote everywhere (apparently falsely) attributed to MLK, and while the sentiment is nice, OBL wasn't an "enemy," he was pure evil. I am ecstatic that he is dead.

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I agree with most of that, but I have zero problem celebrating his death. I keep seeing this quote everywhere (apparently falsely) attributed to MLK, and while the sentiment is nice, OBL wasn't an "enemy," he was pure evil. I am ecstatic that he is dead.

i totally agree. was it ok to celebrate Hitler's death? of course, it was. i am thrilled and cannot believe how much political correctness has taken over this country. if was a great day for the US and freedom-loving people everywhere.
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« Reply #78 on: May 03, 2011, 10:07:15 am »
i totally agree. was it ok to celebrate Hitler's death? of course, it was. i am thrilled and cannot believe how much political correctness has taken over this country. if was a great day for the US and freedom-loving people everywhere.

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« Reply #79 on: May 03, 2011, 10:14:18 am »
...and Seal Team Six, who are now going to get "boy band" ass.
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They already get whatever they want, whenever they want.  As it should be.

And they don't pay taxes again.  Ever.
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« Reply #81 on: May 03, 2011, 11:12:09 am »
And they don't pay taxes again.  Ever.

They'd like you to bring back 8-track tapes.  I don't know if you can do that.
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« Reply #82 on: May 03, 2011, 11:30:55 am »
They'd like you to bring back 8-track tapes.  I don't know if you can do that.

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We're the United States Government.  We don't do that sort of thing!

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« Reply #83 on: May 03, 2011, 11:34:38 am »
They'd like you to bring back 8-track tapes.  I don't know if you can do that.

I still love that movie. /ducks

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I still love that movie. /ducks

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i am thrilled and cannot believe how much political correctness has taken over this country.

Agreed.  Political correctness is exactly the reason it's so hard to have a good rampaging political discussion anymore.
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Agreed.  Political correctness is exactly the reason it's so hard to have a good rampaging political discussion anymore.

maybe. i see the loss of collegiality as the culprit.
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« Reply #87 on: May 03, 2011, 12:37:00 pm »
Classic Michael Bay: two thirds great movie; one third steaming pile o' poo.

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« Reply #88 on: May 03, 2011, 12:41:55 pm »
I really hope you don't think I am PC, and I was saying nothing about other people who celebrate.
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« Reply #89 on: May 03, 2011, 01:07:21 pm »
I really hope you don't think I am PC, and I was saying nothing about other people who celebrate.

how can someone ET be PC?  Oddly, in the elevator on the tv screen I saw this weird poll results on people's reactions:  72% of Americans felt relief, 58% felt happy.  I'm surprised the numbers aren't higher, but I understand the difference.
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I still love that movie. /ducks

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« Reply #91 on: May 03, 2011, 01:22:09 pm »
There is no shame in loving that movie.

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What would have been even more moving is if Bruce Willis actually recognized his daughter's autonomy as an adult human being instead of subverting the agency of her person-hood by assigning her as chattel to a man so that she may be "protected."  Michael Bay, extending the patriarchy one giant explosion/blaring guitar riff at a time.

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What would have been even more moving is if Bruce Willis actually recognized his daughter's autonomy as an adult human being instead of subverting the agency of her person-hood by assigning her as chattel to a man so that she may be "protected."  Michael Bay, extending the patriarchy one giant explosion/blaring guitar riff at a time.

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« Reply #94 on: May 03, 2011, 01:55:49 pm »
I agree with most of that, but I have zero problem celebrating his death. I keep seeing this quote everywhere (apparently falsely) attributed to MLK, and while the sentiment is nice, OBL wasn't an "enemy," he was pure evil. I am ecstatic that he is dead.
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« Reply #95 on: May 03, 2011, 03:07:59 pm »
Datailed NYT piece on the mission to get bin Laden.  LINK
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« Reply #96 on: May 03, 2011, 03:20:13 pm »
Datailed NYT piece on the mission to get bin Laden.  LINK

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« Reply #97 on: May 03, 2011, 03:28:39 pm »
Datailed NYT piece on the mission to get bin Laden.  LINK

Say what you will about the NYT (and I have), but that was a damn good piece.  Well researched, well written.
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« Reply #98 on: May 03, 2011, 05:05:46 pm »
I agree with most of that, but I have zero problem celebrating his death. I keep seeing this quote everywhere (apparently falsely) attributed to MLK, and while the sentiment is nice, OBL wasn't an "enemy," he was pure evil. I am ecstatic that he is dead.

OK, I wasn't sure what you were talking about with MLK, so I skipped over that. I thought maybe there was something else I missed. I had not seen anything about this before until I saw this today:
http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2011/05/anatomy-of-a-fake-quotation/238257/

I haven't read the whole article, so I hope it isn't offensive to anyone.

What I said were my own words. I am glad OBL is gone. He was not a good person, and his influence on others, and what he did, was terrible. He led a group of people that wanted to be led down that road for whatever reason.

The reason I cannot celebrate has to do more with how many lives were lost or destroyed, and will continue to be lost and destroyed. What I was trying to say was that his death reminded me of those people who have been hurt, not that I have sympathy for him in any way. I am sorry I did not express myself well.

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I am sorry I did not express myself well.

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OK, I wasn't sure what you were talking about with MLK, so I skipped over that. I thought maybe there was something else I missed. I had not seen anything about this before until I saw this today:
http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2011/05/anatomy-of-a-fake-quotation/238257/

I haven't read the whole article, so I hope it isn't offensive to anyone.

What I said were my own words. I am glad OBL is gone. He was not a good person, and his influence on others, and what he did, was terrible. He led a group of people that wanted to be led down that road for whatever reason.

The reason I cannot celebrate has to do more with how many lives were lost or destroyed, and will continue to be lost and destroyed. What I was trying to say was that his death reminded me of those people who have been hurt, not that I have sympathy for him in any way. I am sorry I did not express myself well.

All good, my man. I can respect your opinion.  I didn't mean to imply you were being preachy or morally condescending or any of the descriptions I might use with some of the jackwagons on my facebook feed the past few days (who were very much trying to be all of the above).

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« Reply #101 on: May 03, 2011, 10:00:35 pm »
The reason I cannot celebrate has to do more with how many lives were lost or destroyed, and will continue to be lost and destroyed. What I was trying to say was that his death reminded me of those people who have been hurt, not that I have sympathy for him in any way. I am sorry I did not express myself well.

A friend of mine, not a US American, remarked that the crowds celebrating Bin Laden's death were, from his perspective, hardly different than the idiots who celebrated the attack. I'm not sure that I would make that analogy myself but I do think that grim business calls for a certain dignity of process all around and that jaunty celebration is not indicated. Once the troops come home, well, I'll be happy to celebrate that as joyously as anyone.
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Other news outlets don't fuck up people's names.  Repeatedly.  For years.  They fuck up every once in a while, but it's a fuck up.  Fox News pundits deliberately likened Obama's name to Osama's name and deliberately celebrated his middle name of "Hussein" during the election campaign.  The fact that they still get it wrong on a regular basis, and in such high profile situations, just shows that they cannot get past their own schtick.

They also specialise in false equivalencies...

Ahum... the name is Usama.

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« Reply #103 on: May 03, 2011, 11:52:56 pm »
Once the troops come home, well, I'll be happy to celebrate that as joyously as anyone.

Me too.  So, my question is what are we trying to accomplish in Afghanistan? What now?
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« Reply #104 on: May 03, 2011, 11:56:04 pm »
Me too.  So, my question is what are we trying to accomplish in Afghanistan? What now?

Certainly can't be anything related to oil, have you seen the gas pump prices lately!?!?  Oh wait... the Saudis... ahh.. I get it!  Ahum, no I don't.

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« Reply #105 on: May 04, 2011, 06:08:33 am »
Me too.  So, my question is what are we trying to accomplish in Afghanistan? What now?

Why is there any confusion about this at all? Its clearly been the goal in Afghanistan to keep it from being retaken again by the Taliban or any political force friendly to Islamic extremists. They've only been saying this for 9.5 years.

Whether this is an attainable or worthwhile goal is a different question.

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« Reply #106 on: May 04, 2011, 07:26:43 am »
A friend of mine, not a US American, remarked that the crowds celebrating Bin Laden's death were, from his perspective, hardly different than the idiots who celebrated the attack. I'm not sure that I would make that analogy myself but I do think that grim business calls for a certain dignity of process all around and that jaunty celebration is not indicated. Once the troops come home, well, I'll be happy to celebrate that as joyously as anyone.

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« Reply #107 on: May 04, 2011, 10:12:51 pm »
I keep seeing this quote everywhere (apparently falsely) attributed to MLK...

Interesting story about the false quotes that have been bandied about.

And neither did Mark Twain ever say that he "read some obituaries with great pleasure." In fact, here's what he did once say:
"I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it."


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« Reply #108 on: May 04, 2011, 10:13:37 pm »
Why is there any confusion about this at all? Its clearly been the goal in Afghanistan to keep it from being retaken again by the Taliban or any political force friendly to Islamic extremists. They've only been saying this for 9.5 years.

Whether this is an attainable or worthwhile goal is a different question.

I'm asking that different question.
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« Reply #109 on: May 05, 2011, 03:00:04 pm »
Certainly can't be anything related to oil, have you seen the gas pump prices lately!?!?  Oh wait... the Saudis... ahh.. I get it!  Ahum, no I don't.

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Since Osama was buried at sea, will it take him longer to turn into oil?

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« Reply #110 on: May 05, 2011, 03:58:56 pm »
Noe,

Since Osama was buried at sea, will it take him longer to turn into oil?

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« Reply #111 on: May 05, 2011, 04:25:08 pm »
Noe,

Since Osama was buried at sea, will it take him longer to turn into oil?

How long does it take shark/whale turds to turn into oil?

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« Reply #112 on: May 08, 2011, 02:38:22 pm »
What would have been even more moving is if Bruce Willis actually recognized his daughter's autonomy as an adult human being instead of subverting the agency of her person-hood by assigning her as chattel to a man so that she may be "protected."  Michael Bay, extending the patriarchy one giant explosion/blaring guitar riff at a time.

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« Reply #113 on: May 12, 2011, 08:46:28 pm »
Interesting story about the false quotes that have been bandied about.

And neither did Mark Twain ever say that he "read some obituaries with great pleasure." In fact, here's what he did once say:
"I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it."


Bastardizing Clarence Darrow and Mark Twain.  God bless the internet.


"Truth is, everybody is going to hurt you; you just gotta find the ones worth suffering for."

What is wrong with people?  It would be hard to find a quote that sounded less like anything Bob Marley ever said.  Way to simplistic and unjumbled.  Nothing about "Jah" or "I and I" or "Haile Salassie" or "ganja".  Here is a typical Marley quote, from his oft-cited 1973 interview with Jamaican journalist Neville Willoughby:

Willoughby: But listen, you know a lot of people have a feeling that, a lot of guys who claim to be Rastas, are really, as one song says, rascals.

Marley: Many shall be called, but only a few chosen. And there shall be sheep and wolf in sheep clothing! But I&I couldn't watch that, this day. Because I&I have to live Rasta and know Rasta. I noh come fi judge a man. Jah seh leave all judgemant onto him. Soh all people who see a man out deh and seh "how him a gwaan like seh him a rasta". Who is dem fi seh how him a gwaan so. When God seh leave all judgemant onto him.

Why anyone would believe the "truth is" quote was from Marley or comes from a Marley lyric is beyond me, much less why gazillions would give their affirmation on fucking Facebook.  Most young Marley fans I meet - and two of them I know are my own sons - think he was either all about getting high, or all about black revolution.  They don't want to hear that it was not nearly that simple, that Marley had the gift of being able to galvanize fairly disparate groups of people into some form of rebellious union, at least temporarily; but was also crass and calculated and commercial and full of shit.   He was a pan-African idol to millions, but also the Jamaican Mick Jagger, his thick Rastafarian patios as fake as Sir Mick's exaggerated Cockney accent.  Young fans do react with a weird sort of reverence when I relate that I saw him and the Wailers in concert in the summer of 1978, at the Music Hall, on his Kaya tour, which I believe was the penultimate tour of his career.  I gave the torn-in-half ticket stub from that concert to my oldest son years ago, and he still has it, kept safely somewhere in his labyrinthine bedroom.  I know this because he will periodically get it out and show some new friend, who will be suitably impressed.  It's weird.  I was as big a Bob Marley fan as their was, and still am very fond of his music, but I don't get why, 30 years after his death, he still attracts such reverent (and gullible) new fans.



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« Reply #115 on: May 12, 2011, 09:02:18 pm »
Thank you for that, StrosRays. I never got the Marley worship / deification at all.
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« Reply #116 on: May 12, 2011, 09:25:04 pm »
. . . but I don't get why, 30 years after his death, he still attracts such reverent (and gullible) new fans.

I'm sure many of them wear Che Guevera T-Shirts as well, though they're frustrated that they can't find his albums on i-tunes.

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« Reply #117 on: May 12, 2011, 10:05:40 pm »
How about the fact that his music is pretty fucking awesome?  Or that he harnessed his cultural heft to advance a surprisingly successful political movement to try to bring unity to a country where there was none?  He actually united on stage the leaders of two warring factions.  There's lots to admire and appreciate.

ETA: But mainly, he was a terrific musician.
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« Reply #118 on: May 12, 2011, 10:28:32 pm »
...that Marley had the gift of being able to galvanize fairly disparate groups of people into some form of rebellious union, at least temporarily; but was also crass and calculated and commercial and full of shit.   He was a pan-African idol to millions, but also the Jamaican Mick Jagger, his thick Rastafarian patios as fake as Sir Mick's exaggerated Cockney accent.

This is all very true.

ETA: And while I know you meant "patois", I like to picture rastafarian patios with lots of bright colors and assume that mosquitos don't bother the happily stoned folks hanging out on them.
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« Reply #119 on: May 12, 2011, 11:11:03 pm »
This is all very true.

ETA: And while I know you meant "patois", I like to picture rastafarian patios with lots of bright colors and assume that mosquitos don't bother the happily stoned folks hanging out on them.

I like that image, too.


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« Reply #120 on: May 12, 2011, 11:22:49 pm »
How about the fact that his music is pretty fucking awesome?  Or that he harnessed his cultural heft to advance a surprisingly successful political movement to try to bring unity to a country where there was none?  He actually united on stage the leaders of two warring factions.  There's lots to admire and appreciate.

ETA: But mainly, he was a terrific musician.

The music is great, and I remain a huge fan of it.  "Lively Up Yourself" is probably in the top five, for sure the Top Ten Best Songs of All Time According to strosrays - specifically, the concert version off of Live! (1975). 

The Onion article Limey linked to captures the other side of it pretty well.

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« Reply #121 on: May 12, 2011, 11:34:26 pm »
The Onion article Limey linked to captures the other side of it pretty well.

It certainly does.  Not only commercialized, the persona of Marley has become misleadingly de-militarized and de-radicalized. 
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« Reply #122 on: May 12, 2011, 11:49:30 pm »
It certainly does.  Not only commercialized, the persona of Marley has become misleadingly de-militarized and de-radicalized. 

The concert experience itself was kind of unreal.  Good times.

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« Reply #123 on: May 13, 2011, 08:06:07 am »
"Lively Up Yourself" is probably in the top five, for sure the Top Ten Best Songs of All Time According to strosrays - specifically, the concert version off of Live! (1975). 


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« Reply #124 on: May 16, 2011, 07:08:16 pm »
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« Reply #125 on: May 16, 2011, 07:11:28 pm »
I like the 'Debbie Does Abbottabad' on the screen.
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Classy

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« Reply #127 on: May 17, 2011, 04:52:20 pm »
When Hollywood gets around to making the movie, do you suppose it'll take an Oliver Stone angle or a Steven Spielberg one?  Or will no one want to risk the "Satanic Verses" threats?
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« Reply #128 on: May 17, 2011, 04:56:26 pm »
When Hollywood gets around to making the movie, do you suppose it'll take an Oliver Stone angle or a Steven Spielberg one?  Or will no one want to risk the "Satanic Verses" threats?

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« Reply #129 on: May 17, 2011, 04:58:52 pm »
Is he going to do the 24 movie?
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« Reply #130 on: May 17, 2011, 06:27:17 pm »
When Hollywood gets around to making the movie, do you suppose it'll take an Oliver Stone angle or a Steven Spielberg one?

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When Hollywood gets around to making the movie, do you suppose it'll take an Oliver Stone angle or a Steven Spielberg one?  Or will no one want to risk the "Satanic Verses" threats?

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