Author Topic: BA Draft 2011 Midseason top 50 (Read 6989 times)

OregonStrosFan · « **on:** April 13, 2011, 11:30:15 am »

Here ya go... LINK

Purke has fallen to 15 (previously #3). How'd he look in the Blood-n-mud?

Jungmann? He's at 13 (previously #6). Seemingly not because of poor performance or anything along those lines, just fallen some.

Currently at #11 (the Astros draft slot): RHP Taylor Guerrieri from Spring Valley HS, Columbia, S.C. He was previously not ranked. Per BA, he "has the most helium of any player this year after touching 98 mph with his fastball."

For you Aggies out there, #30 RHP John Stilson (previously #23). Per BA, "NCAA Division I ERA leader (0.80) in 2010 has had no trouble transition to rotation this spring."

Thoughts?

MusicMan · « **Reply #1 on:** April 13, 2011, 11:31:07 am »

Either Purke or Jungmann would make me do the happy dance.

austro · « **Reply #2 on:** April 13, 2011, 11:46:59 am »

Quote from: MusicMan on April 13, 2011, 11:31:07 am

Either Purke or Jungmann would make me do the happy dance.

Pundits will still spit all over the Jungmann choice because he doesn't have 96+ mph stuff. But you can't teach the kind of poise and grit that he shows, and that's just as valuable as "stuff" in my opinion.

MusicMan · « **Reply #3 on:** April 13, 2011, 12:11:37 pm »

Quote from: austro on April 13, 2011, 11:46:59 am

Pundits will still spit all over the Jungmann choice because he doesn't have 96+ mph stuff. But you can't teach the kind of poise and grit that he shows, and that's just as valuable as "stuff" in my opinion.

You have to throw 96+ to get guys out.

Sincerely,
Greg Maddux and Curt Schilling

jbm · « **Reply #4 on:** April 13, 2011, 12:25:29 pm »

I knew Purke started the season late with a blister I think. Looked up his stats expecting to see something bad based on this "he's falling" talk. I read that his velocity is down, but his stats don't indicate much of a falloff. However, the drop in velocity will scare away some teams for sure.

Having only seen him and Jungmann, I am real curious to see where they go, and how their careers progress. Scouting, evaluating and drafting must be a bitch of business to survive in.

OregonStrosFan · « **Reply #5 on:** April 13, 2011, 12:30:27 pm »

Quote from: jbm on April 13, 2011, 12:25:29 pm

Scouting, evaluating and drafting must be a bitch of business to survive in.

Not so, per DoRay (Dolan I think): "[Signing players before the days of the draft] is not like the draft today where you just sit around, wait for your turn, and then take the obvious pick."

chuck · « **Reply #6 on:** April 13, 2011, 12:41:25 pm »

Quote from: OregonStrosFan on April 13, 2011, 12:30:27 pm

Not so, per DoRay (Dolan I think): "[Signing players before the days of the draft] is not like the draft today where you just sit around, wait for your turn, and then take the obvious pick."

Will you please quit posting this? I am already at the maximum dosage for my hypertension medication. Thank you.

jbm · « **Reply #7 on:** April 13, 2011, 12:41:49 pm »

I don't even know which one he is, but he is a dumbshit.

austro · « **Reply #8 on:** April 13, 2011, 12:43:52 pm »

Quote from: OregonStrosFan on April 13, 2011, 12:30:27 pm

Not so, per DoRay (Dolan I think): "[Signing players before the days of the draft] is not like the draft today where you just sit around, wait for your turn, and then take the obvious pick."

You know, I'd like to think that comments like that would make their way back up to the top of the organization, where the people who are just sitting around and waiting for their turn might be able to use their spare time to rid us of these idiots.

chuck · « **Reply #9 on:** April 13, 2011, 12:46:55 pm »

Quote from: jbm on April 13, 2011, 12:41:49 pm

I don't even know which one he is, but he is a dumbshit.

Without having heard it originally my money's on Raymond. He is significantly dumber than Dolan, and Dolan is no Rhodes Scholar.

BudGirl · « **Reply #10 on:** April 13, 2011, 12:49:45 pm »

Quote from: chuck on April 13, 2011, 12:46:55 pm

Without having heard it originally my money's on Raymond. He is significantly dumber than Dolan, and Dolan is no Rhodes Scholar.

I would not be surprised if OSF didn't get you a recording of the quote.

Also, can you really tell the two apart? I can't.

moriartp · « **Reply #11 on:** April 13, 2011, 12:57:22 pm »

Quote from: BudGirl on April 13, 2011, 12:49:45 pm

Also, can you really tell the two apart? I can't.

It's not easy. I think Raymond's voice might be a little less nasal. Not sure though.

OregonStrosFan · « **Reply #12 on:** April 13, 2011, 01:03:37 pm »

Quote from: BudGirl on April 13, 2011, 12:49:45 pm

I would not be surprised if OSF didn't get you a recording of the quote.

Also, can you really tell the two apart? I can't.

Can't help, I was driving when I heard it...

As for telling the two apart, Raymond has a tiny bit more 'sing/song'(?)/whine(?)/nasal(?) in his voice, and Dolan is the one with the most ridiculous 'color' commentary. Also, when Raymond is calling the action portion of the games, I can actually tell what is happening... Honestly, couldn't tell you which one it was that made the comment, but 'think' it was Dolan (whoever was working with Milo in the 3rd inning).

And yes, the comment was incredibly stupid and was just an aside to his main point of conversation (i.e. signing in pre-draft days), but still... YOU DON'T HAVE TO FILL EVERY SECOND OF AIRTIME WITH TALK! Shut the heck up every once in a while... It's okay.

OregonStrosFan · « **Reply #13 on:** April 13, 2011, 01:09:37 pm »

Quote from: chuck on April 13, 2011, 12:41:25 pm

Will you please quit posting this? I am already at the maximum dosage for my hypertension medication. Thank you.

It's all about feeding the hate, man!!! [Though MM did get me to reconsider my thoughts about The Second Coming and lighten up on him a tad...].

astrosfan76 · « **Reply #14 on:** April 13, 2011, 07:24:11 pm »

Trevor Bauer is a (realistic) guy I would love to see them draft. In some ways, he's a left-handed Lincecum, at least mechanically. He's a student of pitching and has spent time outside of Houston at Ron Wolforth's Texas Baseball Ranch every year since he was a freshman in high school. He's a high-upside lefty, which is something we don't have much of, especially one with polish. I know Purke fits the mold, as well, but Bauer does so without the performance/bonus concerns. I wouldn't mind either, Jungmann, or Guerrieri, but for me, at least, Bauer is the guy I'd want.

Mike S. · « **Reply #15 on:** April 13, 2011, 07:52:10 pm »

Damn frustrating to see Bubba Starling up to sixth overall. He's exactly the type of player I'm hoping the Astros draft more of and often.

OregonStrosFan · « **Reply #16 on:** April 13, 2011, 10:41:03 pm »

From the BA chat today: LINK

Quote

Jason (Austin): Can you give some reasons as to why Taylor Jungmann is rated 13th? I have seen him pitch for 3 years and I would take Jungmann in a game playoff over any of the pitchers ahead of him! As a Freshman in the CWS vs an extremely talented LSU lineup he just dominated them!

Jim Callis: Because this draft is ridiculous. I don't disagree with you—Jungmann is 6-0 in postseason play and I saw that start against LSU in Omaha. This draft is just so loaded that our Top 50 was going to have someone at No. 13 and 14 (it turned out to be Jungmann and Barnes) who would have had a chance to go No. 4 in the 2010 draft.

drew corleone · « **Reply #17 on:** April 14, 2011, 10:52:10 am »

Lyles, Folty and Jungmann/Purke in 2014 sounds pretty salty to me... but this kid from SC is intriguing.

moriartp · « **Reply #18 on:** April 14, 2011, 03:19:42 pm »

Quote from: drew corleone on April 14, 2011, 10:52:10 am

Lyles, Folty and Jungmann/Purke in 2014 sounds pretty salty to me... but this kid from SC is intriguing.

Here's some video.

dirty steve · « **Reply #19 on:** April 14, 2011, 03:43:51 pm »

Quote from: OregonStrosFan on April 13, 2011, 01:03:37 pm

YOU DON'T HAVE TO FILL EVERY SECOND OF AIRTIME WITH TALK! Shut the heck up every once in a while... It's okay.

my biggest issue with them.

raymond is the guy who does the grand slam for youth TV ad with pence.

chuck · « **Reply #20 on:** April 14, 2011, 10:11:26 pm »

Quote from: dirty steve on April 14, 2011, 03:43:51 pm

raymond is the guy who does the grand slam for youth TV ad with pence.

That's actually Dolan. Hell, we can't tell those jokers apart when we're looking at them.

Noe · « **Reply #21 on:** April 14, 2011, 10:50:46 pm »

Quote from: chuck on April 13, 2011, 12:46:55 pm

Without having heard it originally my money's on Raymond. He is significantly dumber than Dolan, and Dolan is no Rhodes Scholar.

*DING, DING, DING*

I have heard some of the dumbest, I mean DUMBEST baseball talk ever coming from Raymond. I keep thinking "Okay, he's screwing with the fans out there to see if anyone cares", but the more I listen, the more I realize that the guy just does not understand baseball but does understand one rule of baseball broadcasting nowadays... Just keep talking, nobody cares.

It is we, who really do care, that suffer the most.

Ebby Calvin · « **Reply #22 on:** April 14, 2011, 11:06:33 pm »

Quote from: Noe in Austin on April 14, 2011, 10:50:46 pm

It is we, who really do care, that suffer the most.

And it is we, who really do care, that do not matter.

Noe · « **Reply #23 on:** April 14, 2011, 11:19:32 pm »

Quote from: jbm on April 13, 2011, 12:25:29 pm

I knew Purke started the season late with a blister I think. Looked up his stats expecting to see something bad based on this "he's falling" talk. I read that his velocity is down, but his stats don't indicate much of a falloff. However, the drop in velocity will scare away some teams for sure.

Having only seen him and Jungmann, I am real curious to see where they go, and how their careers progress. Scouting, evaluating and drafting must be a bitch of business to survive in.

Cliff Lee was a very high draft pick by the Cleveland Indians (Mark Shapiro knew what he was doing back then). Lee had an outstanding fastball, but that didn't bring about his future success. It was learning to pitch by locating his pitches that made him the pitcher he is now. Purke reminds me of Lee in many ways and finding a lefty pitcher who can located a low 90s fastball and then use a second pitch like a good slider into the hands of a right handed batter that is worth the price of gold. Steve Carlton pretty much made a career out of carving up hitters using this strategy and that made him a Hall of Famer for sure.

I basically like guys who know how to pitch and if they are lefty's with control and pinpoint accuracy, they are very high in my book simply because of the potential they bring about. Velocity can be overrated sometimes.

Col. Sphinx Drummond · « **Reply #24 on:** April 15, 2011, 06:24:09 am »

Quote from: Noe in Austin on April 14, 2011, 11:19:32 pm

Cliff Lee was a very high draft pick by the Cleveland Indians (Mark Shapiro knew what he was doing back then). Lee had an outstanding fastball, but that didn't bring about his future success. It was learning to pitch by locating his pitches that made him the pitcher he is now. Purke reminds me of Lee in many ways and finding a lefty pitcher who can located a low 90s fastball and then use a second pitch like a good slider into the hands of a right handed batter that is worth the price of gold. Steve Carlton pretty much made a career out of carving up hitters using this strategy and that made him a Hall of Famer for sure.

I basically like guys who know how to pitch and if they are lefty's with control and pinpoint accuracy, they are very high in my book simply because of the potential they bring about. Velocity can be overrated sometimes.

Lee was drafted by the Montreal Expos. He was traded to Cleveland as a minor leaguer. He was part of that lopsided trade that also sent Grady Sizemore, Brandon Phillips, and Lee Stevens to Cleveland, for Tim Drew and 3 months use of Bartolo Colon. One of the more lopsided trades in recent memory.

Lee and Halladay both had to return to the minors to make adjustments to their pitching after first spending time in the majors and faltering.

jbm · « **Reply #25 on:** April 15, 2011, 08:09:41 am »

I love the Lee and Halliday examples, mainly cause they go against the typical prospect raves. Both might have been prospects at one time based on natural stuff, but their eventual success was via a different route: they were guys that kept learning, kept adding slight nuances, and became dominating without max-velocity fanfare. One thing that did have is excellent fastball command, and they used that as a solid base to build a potent repertoire.

I don't know what to make of Purke. The few times I saw Purke, his fastball was good, and his breaking pitch was fantastic. Still, there was something about his max-effort delivery that screamed future reliever to me.