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« on: January 18, 2011, 11:19:26 am »
Per Footer/McTagg-Tweets:

Barmes agrees to a $3.925 million deal and Keppinger $2.3 million.

Bourn, Pence and Wandy are the remaining unsigned arbitration eligible players.
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« Reply #1 on: January 18, 2011, 12:07:45 pm »
3 down:

Michael Bourn to a one-year, $4.4MM deal

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« Reply #2 on: January 18, 2011, 12:08:02 pm »
Per Footer/McTagg-Tweets:

Barmes agrees to a $3.925 million deal and Keppinger $2.3 million.

Bourn, Pence and Wandy are the remaining unsigned arbitration eligible players.

Another one down...Bourn signs one year deal worth $4.4 mill. Avoids arbitration. That leaves 2: Pence, Wandy.
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« Reply #3 on: January 18, 2011, 12:36:43 pm »
Another one down...Bourn signs one year deal worth $4.4 mill. Avoids arbitration. That leaves 2: Pence, Wandy.

I can see Wandy going to the table.
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« Reply #4 on: January 18, 2011, 12:45:33 pm »
I can see Wandy going to the table.

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« Reply #5 on: January 18, 2011, 12:53:11 pm »
I can see Wandy going to the table.

Is there still any capital for the Astros in the fact that Eny Cabreja Wandy Rodriguez tried to defraud them a few years back?
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« Reply #6 on: January 18, 2011, 01:07:23 pm »
Is there still any capital for the Astros in the fact that Eny Cabreja Wandy Rodriguez tried to defraud them a few years back?

Probably not.  Conduct at the hearings is pretty well regulated.  If it's not relevant to his performance, it's generally not admissable.
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« Reply #7 on: January 18, 2011, 01:51:52 pm »
Surprised to see Barmes and Bourn so close in numbers?
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« Reply #8 on: January 18, 2011, 01:56:22 pm »
Surprised to see Barmes and Bourn so close in numbers?

Not really.  Barmes has played in 8 seasons, Bourn has played in 5. 
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« Reply #9 on: January 18, 2011, 04:29:42 pm »
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They know we have interest in a multi-year contract.  Astros GM Ed Wade on Wandy Rodriguez and his agent Adam Katz.

First time that I've heard of recent interest in a multi-year deal with Wandy.

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« Reply #10 on: January 18, 2011, 05:02:34 pm »
Justice tweet:

First time that I've heard of recent interest in a multi-year deal with Wandy.

I thought they were interested last year until he stumbled out of the gate and it was scary enough that even his second-half showing nixed the multiyear plan for a while.
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« Reply #11 on: January 18, 2011, 06:53:25 pm »
I thought they were interested last year until he stumbled out of the gate and it was scary enough that even his second-half showing nixed the multiyear plan for a while.

I remember hearing of some interest around August, after Myers' deal.  But, I hadn't heard anything from the club's side since then.  The only talk in the offseason had been from Wandy's camp.

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« Reply #12 on: January 18, 2011, 07:44:10 pm »
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/bb/7315982.html

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Wade was approached by Rodriguez’s representatives during the season but postponed serious talks until after the season. Wade and assistant general manager David Gottfried have had subsequent talks including conversations at the general managers’ meetings earlier this month in Orlando, Fla.


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« Reply #13 on: January 18, 2011, 09:05:06 pm »
Per Tags Lines, the stated positions for Wandy and Pence:

Rodriguez filed at $10.25 million, and the Astros countered with $8 million. Pence filed at $6.9 million and the Astros at $5.150 million. Rodriguez made $5 million last year, and Pence made $3.5 million.
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« Reply #14 on: January 19, 2011, 08:11:59 am »
Per Tags Lines, the stated positions for Wandy and Pence:

Rodriguez filed at $10.25 million, and the Astros countered with $8 million. Pence filed at $6.9 million and the Astros at $5.150 million. Rodriguez made $5 million last year, and Pence made $3.5 million.

I'd say don't bother with Wandy on a multi year.  His arb case seems extremely easy to win.  What about last year makes him think he's due for over a 100% raise?  Same with Pence.  786 OPS doesn't scream double down to me.  Not to mention he's terrible in the field and an awful baserunner.


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« Reply #15 on: January 19, 2011, 08:16:34 am »
I'd say don't bother with Wandy on a multi year.  His arb case seems extremely easy to win.  What about last year makes him think he's due for over a 100% raise?  Same with Pence.  786 OPS doesn't scream double down to me.  Not to mention he's terrible in the field and an awful baserunner.



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« Reply #16 on: January 19, 2011, 08:17:50 am »
Pence is the Face of the Franchise.  Are you saying he is not worth that?

That only means you won't get traded.  Salary has nothing to do with it.

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« Reply #17 on: January 19, 2011, 08:34:56 am »
I'd say don't bother with Wandy on a multi year.  His arb case seems extremely easy to win.  What about last year makes him think he's due for over a 100% raise?  Same with Pence.  786 OPS doesn't scream double down to me.  Not to mention he's terrible in the field and an awful baserunner.



I wouldn't try to sign Wandy to a multi-year deal to save money this season, but to keep him around after this year.  If the club thinks he'll continue his level of production over the next 3 seasons, and he'll sign for ~3/$30, it would be smart to do so.  While our position players need to improve/rebound, our ability to win 80 games over the next couple of seasons will depend heavily on our pitching.  Losing Wandy would be a big step backward in that department. 

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« Reply #18 on: January 19, 2011, 10:25:09 am »
I wouldn't try to sign Wandy to a multi-year deal to save money this season, but to keep him around after this year.  If the club thinks he'll continue his level of production over the next 3 seasons, and he'll sign for ~3/$30, it would be smart to do so.  While our position players need to improve/rebound, our ability to win 80 games over the next couple of seasons will depend heavily on our pitching.  Losing Wandy would be a big step backward in that department. 

I disagree, for two reasons.  JA Happ and Ryan Rowland-Smith.   Also, at 32 and his performance history, he's exactly the type of Pitcher to be tendered/offered arbitration.  If he accepts, you get a short term commitment to a guy who's never performed consistently.  If he signs elsewhere, you get a draft pick from whomever chooses to sign him.   It's just my opinion, but it's a win/win situation. 
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« Reply #19 on: January 19, 2011, 11:20:08 am »
I disagree, for two reasons.  JA Happ and Ryan Rowland-Smith.   Also, at 32 and his performance history, he's exactly the type of Pitcher to be tendered/offered arbitration.  If he accepts, you get a short term commitment to a guy who's never performed consistently.  If he signs elsewhere, you get a draft pick from whomever chooses to sign him.   It's just my opinion, but it's a win/win situation. 

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« Reply #20 on: January 19, 2011, 07:45:23 pm »
I disagree, for two reasons.  JA Happ and Ryan Rowland-Smith.   Also, at 32 and his performance history, he's exactly the type of Pitcher to be tendered/offered arbitration.  If he accepts, you get a short term commitment to a guy who's never performed consistently.  If he signs elsewhere, you get a draft pick from whomever chooses to sign him.   It's just my opinion, but it's a win/win situation. 
Another win-win situation could be if he has a good first half, trade him to a contending team that's desperate for a good SP, get a nice haul of prospects, and then hopefully re-sign him to a home-town discount (once he's seen how shitty Arlington or Denver are) in the off-season.
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« Reply #21 on: January 20, 2011, 07:53:20 am »
I disagree, for two reasons.  JA Happ and Ryan Rowland-Smith.   Also, at 32 and his performance history, he's exactly the type of Pitcher to be tendered/offered arbitration.  If he accepts, you get a short term commitment to a guy who's never performed consistently.  If he signs elsewhere, you get a draft pick from whomever chooses to sign him.   It's just my opinion, but it's a win/win situation. 

You must have a lot more faith in RR-S than I do.  At this point, I see him in the same light as Figueroa, that being a 5th starter/swingman.  That doesn't mean that he can't be more, but I have doubts in his ability to stay healthy and effective for a full season.  Wandy has a much better chance of giving you 190-200 innings with a 3.0-3.5 ERA.  Since he doesn't rely on his fastball's velocity for success, he could still maintain success even if he does lose a tick off of it.  Being 32-34, he shouldn't lose more than that. 

The problem with offering Wandy arbitration after this season is that if he accepts, then you lose any kind of discount a multi-year deal would offer.  If he puts up his usual numbers, then he's going to get $13-$15M in arbitration (using Kuroda, Dempster and Lilly as contemporaries).  He could always sign somewhere else and we would get a draft pick, the club just has to be sure he's willing to go and that there will be suitors.

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« Reply #22 on: January 20, 2011, 08:20:34 am »
You must have a lot more faith in RR-S than I do.  At this point, I see him in the same light as Figueroa, that being a 5th starter/swingman.  That doesn't mean that he can't be more, but I have doubts in his ability to stay healthy and effective for a full season.  Wandy has a much better chance of giving you 190-200 innings with a 3.0-3.5 ERA.  Since he doesn't rely on his fastball's velocity for success, he could still maintain success even if he does lose a tick off of it.  Being 32-34, he shouldn't lose more than that. 

The problem with offering Wandy arbitration after this season is that if he accepts, then you lose any kind of discount a multi-year deal would offer.  If he puts up his usual numbers, then he's going to get $13-$15M in arbitration (using Kuroda, Dempster and Lilly as contemporaries).  He could always sign somewhere else and we would get a draft pick, the club just has to be sure he's willing to go and that there will be suitors.

I don't dismiss Wandy's value.  I just recognize that any pitcher, that is as inconsistent as he is, has to be looked at in detail, not just on the sum of his year. Other than 2009, he's never had a consistent year.  Personally, I look at his performance (not just his stuff) and think he's a #2/#3 on a good team.  On the Astros, obviously he's going to be the #2.  Just to be clear, I'm not suggesting Houston should sever ties.  All I'm saying is he's far from untouchable (herpes not withstanding) in trade discussions.   

As for Rowland-Smith, I agree.  Between him and Figeroa, you have your plan A #5 starter.  Plan B, I assume, is Lyles (preferably w/ him getting another year of phsycial development and AAA experience), followed by any one else they can find. 
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« Reply #23 on: January 20, 2011, 09:25:47 am »
You must have a lot more faith in RR-S than I do.  At this point, I see him in the same light as Figueroa, that being a 5th starter/swingman.  That doesn't mean that he can't be more, but I have doubts in his ability to stay healthy and effective for a full season.  Wandy has a much better chance of giving you 190-200 innings with a 3.0-3.5 ERA.  Since he doesn't rely on his fastball's velocity for success, he could still maintain success even if he does lose a tick off of it.  Being 32-34, he shouldn't lose more than that. 

The problem with offering Wandy arbitration after this season is that if he accepts, then you lose any kind of discount a multi-year deal would offer.  If he puts up his usual numbers, then he's going to get $13-$15M in arbitration (using Kuroda, Dempster and Lilly as contemporaries).  He could always sign somewhere else and we would get a draft pick, the club just has to be sure he's willing to go and that there will be suitors.

Given I think the Astros win arbitration with the figures that both sides have put up, that means 8 million this year.  Even if he accepts arbitration next year and gets paid 13 million.  So what.  Highly doubtful he accepts a multi year contract that doesn't average 10.5 million per year. 

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« Reply #24 on: January 20, 2011, 09:53:45 am »
Another win-win situation could be if he has a good first half, trade him to a contending team that's desperate for a good SP, get a nice haul of prospects, and then hopefully re-sign him to a home-town discount (once he's seen how shitty Arlington or Denver are) in the off-season.

When was the last time a player - anywhere, not just in Houston - actually did this: got traded and then signed with the original team after a couple of months in contenderville?
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« Reply #25 on: January 20, 2011, 10:18:10 am »
When was the last time a player - anywhere, not just in Houston - actually did this: got traded and then signed with the original team after a couple of months in contenderville?


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« Reply #26 on: January 20, 2011, 03:15:00 pm »
When was the last time a player - anywhere, not just in Houston - actually did this: got traded and then signed with the original team after a couple of months in contenderville?

I think Ellis Burks and Jeff Conine used to do it regularly. Harold Baines maybe? Yeah, I admit it's a long shot.
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« Reply #27 on: January 20, 2011, 03:36:41 pm »
I don't dismiss Wandy's value.  I just recognize that any pitcher, that is as inconsistent as he is, has to be looked at in detail, not just on the sum of his year. Other than 2009, he's never had a consistent year.  Personally, I look at his performance (not just his stuff) and think he's a #2/#3 on a good team.  On the Astros, obviously he's going to be the #2.  Just to be clear, I'm not suggesting Houston should sever ties.  All I'm saying is he's far from untouchable (herpes not withstanding) in trade discussions.  

Wandy has been pretty dependable for a number of years now.  For the last four years, 08 was his fewest starts at 25.  I bet he is in the top 30% of innings pitched in those years.

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« Reply #28 on: January 20, 2011, 03:39:42 pm »
I don't dismiss Wandy's value.  I just recognize that any pitcher, that is as inconsistent as he is, has to be looked at in detail, not just on the sum of his year. Other than 2009, he's never had a consistent year.  Personally, I look at his performance (not just his stuff) and think he's a #2/#3 on a good team.  On the Astros, obviously he's going to be the #2.  Just to be clear, I'm not suggesting Houston should sever ties.  All I'm saying is he's far from untouchable (herpes not withstanding) in trade discussions.   

I wouldn't say he's untouchable, either.  But, with our club's composition, we'll have to get by with 3 #2/#3 types, a #4/#5, and whatever we get out of the #5 spot.  We're not going to have a #1 unless one of the prospects develops into one, and that won't happen over night.  But, if we got another Happ-type in return, I'd be open to trading him.  


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« Reply #29 on: January 20, 2011, 03:52:23 pm »
Given I think the Astros win arbitration with the figures that both sides have put up, that means 8 million this year.  Even if he accepts arbitration next year and gets paid 13 million.  So what.  Highly doubtful he accepts a multi year contract that doesn't average 10.5 million per year. 


And the year after that?  Arbitration figures rarely go down, even if a player's performance decreases.  So, you're looking at another season with a salary of at least $13M. 

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« Reply #30 on: January 21, 2011, 09:42:38 am »
And the year after that?  Arbitration figures rarely go down, even if a player's performance decreases.  So, you're looking at another season with a salary of at least $13M.  

This is an easy one.  If his performance has decresed over the last 2 years.  Don't offer arbitration.  Congrats you got the best years of a pitcher's career without overpaying.  

Best case scenario: He gets pitches to a mid 3 ERA for the next 3 years
Worst case scenario: His arm blows out in spring training

I'm betting somewhere inbetween.  Why lock up a guy for 3 years when in 2013 they are supposedly going to be ready to contend and may need to add that last peice?  

The only long term contract I see Wandy getting is a 3 yr 30 with the 3rd year being a 2 million buyout option.  Maybe even a vesting option with innings pitched.  He's had 2 good yet streaky seasons.   It makes no sense to lock up a guy for 3 years when nothng about his past performace says he close to a sure thing.


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« Reply #31 on: January 21, 2011, 01:58:57 pm »
This is an easy one.  If his performance has decresed over the last 2 years.  Don't offer arbitration.  Congrats you got the best years of a pitcher's career without overpaying.  

Best case scenario: He gets pitches to a mid 3 ERA for the next 3 years
Worst case scenario: His arm blows out in spring training

I'm betting somewhere inbetween.  Why lock up a guy for 3 years when in 2013 they are supposedly going to be ready to contend and may need to add that last peice?  

The only long term contract I see Wandy getting is a 3 yr 30 with the 3rd year being a 2 million buyout option.  Maybe even a vesting option with innings pitched.  He's had 2 good yet streaky seasons.   It makes no sense to lock up a guy for 3 years when nothng about his past performace says he close to a sure thing.

That's missing the point on arbitration.  If his performance drops to the upper 3 ERA range, he's still going to get a raise in arbitration.  So, if he keeps performing, you're going to be on the hook for more every season.  If he's someone the club wants around in '13 and they think he'll still be good, the cheapest way is to avoid going year to year.  Unless he falls off the map, he'd be a valuable piece to any club at that point.

If he'd go for a 2-year deal with an option for the 3rd year, that's fine.  That's what Myers got, though he's had a wildly more inconsistent career than Wandy.  The club wants to do some kind of multi-year deal, maybe that's what they have in mind.

I don't get all the streaky talk.  It's not uncommon for pitchers to have one or two off months per season, even very good pitchers.  Cliff Lee has them, Sabathia, Oswalt, etc.  If a guy doesn't have an ERA in the mid 2's (or 5+), chances are he had at least one month where his ERA spiked.  Maybe it was one or two bad starts (Wandy's usual m.o.), maybe it was a few starts where he gave up 4 runs.  But, that's the way it usually works.

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« Reply #32 on: January 24, 2011, 12:05:51 pm »
 If he's someone the club wants around in '13 and they think he'll still be good

That's the key right there.  If they think he'll be good in 2013, he'll be sitting on a multi year before spring.  It's always a risk to put any pitcher on a multiyear deal that doesn't have some early buyout or vesting options.  IMO Wandy is too much a risk to gaurantee 3 years.  So I'd play the arbitration game if he is unwilling to take the 2 year with 3rd year options.  You seem to prefer the 3 year deal over no multiyear deal.   To me this is too risky for Wandy.  If 2013 is to be the year where the team can start to win it all again, then I'd prefer more payroll flexibility.




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« Reply #33 on: January 24, 2011, 01:50:28 pm »
You seem to prefer the 3 year deal over no multiyear deal.   To me this is too risky for Wandy.  If 2013 is to be the year where the team can start to win it all again, then I'd prefer more payroll flexibility.

I'd be perfectly happy with a 2-year with an option; I think the more club control, the better.  My biggest concern is that if 2013 is the year where the club is really contending again (though they'll never admit that the goal in '11 is less than contention), then you have to put yourself in the best position possible.  Pitching is risky, but is also necessary to win.  FA pitching is even riskier and comes with a heavier price tag.  I''d prefer to stay away from this route unless we get an owner willing to run a $120M payroll who signs off for a true ace. 

So, unless you're confident that one of the guys who isn't in the current #2/#3 category can step up to replace Wandy's production in '13, meaning Norris, Lyles, or anyone outside of Happ & Myers*, then we'll have to spend significant money to replace him.  In a perfect world, we develop our own aces and can let guys walk, knowing that they're already replaced, but I don't know if we'll be quite there by then.  If you give Wandy the chance to walk, though we could get draft picks in return (who may help down the road), there is the risk that we lose a pitcher that we need to contend in '13. 

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« Reply #34 on: January 25, 2011, 12:11:59 pm »
A note in Levine's new article says the Astros want a multi-year deal with Wandy, but have set today as a deadline before heading to arb with both he and Pence.
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« Reply #35 on: January 25, 2011, 05:12:12 pm »
Done. 3 year, $34MM per Footer tweet

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« Reply #36 on: January 25, 2011, 05:14:33 pm »
Footer sums it up on Twitter:

So for the next three years they'll have Myers, Wandy, Happ and Norris under their control. Lyles on his way. Not too shabby.

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« Reply #37 on: January 25, 2011, 06:23:53 pm »
Seems like a sensible move. Nice to see it get done.

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« Reply #38 on: January 25, 2011, 07:11:20 pm »
Pence will go to arbitration and either get $5.1MM or $6.9MM.  He made $3.5 million last season

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Re: Arbitration update
« Reply #39 on: January 25, 2011, 07:14:27 pm »
Cool. Watching Wandy pitch, when he's on, is very entertaining. And you really have to feel good for the guy to get a contract like this, considering where he came from the first few years of his career to what he is now (and presumably, worked very hard to become the pitcher he is now, a solid #2/3 starter).
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Re: Arbitration update
« Reply #40 on: January 26, 2011, 08:21:21 am »
"Rodriguez gets a $1.5 million signing bonus and salaries of $7 million this year, $10 million in 2012 1and $13 million in 2013. The option is for $13 million with a $2.5 million buyout, and if Rodriguez is traded it becomes a player option."

Well they got the vesting option, one more year than I thought they would need but oh well.  Good for Wandy, Good for the Astros if he stays healthy and solid. 

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« Reply #41 on: January 26, 2011, 09:29:05 am »
Not a bad deal. That sets the entire pitching staff, except #5, for the coming 3 years.
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« Reply #42 on: January 26, 2011, 09:43:04 am »
Not a bad deal. That sets the entire pitching staff, except #5, for the coming 3 years.

Or arguably except for #1. 

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Re: Arbitration update
« Reply #43 on: January 26, 2011, 11:04:26 am »
Or arguably except for #1. 


If Myers can repeat, that would qualify for a #1 for me. 

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« Reply #44 on: January 26, 2011, 11:18:01 am »
Or arguably except for #1. 

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« Reply #45 on: January 26, 2011, 11:40:11 am »
If Myers can repeat, that would qualify for a #1 for me.

For me too.

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Re: Arbitration update
« Reply #46 on: January 26, 2011, 11:48:13 am »

If Myers can repeat, that would qualify for a #1 for me. 

223 innings over 33 starts.  6.8 IP/G

14-8 (team 20-13) on a club that was 76-86.
The club won 61% of the time when Myers started and 43 percent of the time when he didn't.

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« Reply #47 on: January 26, 2011, 12:24:42 pm »
While it is unlikely that Myers repeats his 2010, I think I'd rather have four #2 SPs (not that Happ and Norris have proven to be that good yet) than a true #1 followed by a bunch of #4/5 types.
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Re: Arbitration update
« Reply #48 on: January 26, 2011, 12:44:34 pm »
I heard a real compliment on Happ from a well respected baseball man.  He said that Happ's motion is difficult to pick up by both left and right handed batters and thinks he will be a top notch pitcher in the league.
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« Reply #49 on: January 26, 2011, 01:12:27 pm »
I heard a real compliment on Happ from a well respected baseball man.  He said that Happ's motion is difficult to pick up by both left and right handed batters and thinks he will be a top notch pitcher in the league.

I recall hearing that the Philly players were crushed to learn that Happ was in the Oswalt deal.
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« Reply #50 on: January 26, 2011, 01:50:52 pm »
While it is unlikely that Myers repeats his 2010, I think I'd rather have four #2 SPs (not that Happ and Norris have proven to be that good yet) than a true #1 followed by a bunch of #4/5 types.

Agreed.


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« Reply #51 on: January 26, 2011, 05:21:46 pm »
Agreed.


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« Reply #52 on: January 26, 2011, 05:23:56 pm »
Agreed.


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« Reply #53 on: January 26, 2011, 05:47:30 pm »
Reminds me, are you going to the bar tonight?

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« Reply #54 on: January 31, 2011, 12:42:55 pm »
Some misc. comments re: HPs chances in arbitration from MLBTR. LINK
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« Reply #55 on: January 31, 2011, 12:45:24 pm »
Some misc. comments re: HPs chances in arbitration from MLBTR. LINK

It begs the question, what is the logic behind asking for the higher number and refusal to compromise, assuming it was offered by Wade/Smith?  Anyway, I guess we'll see how Mr. Pence responds to a process that details how/why he's not where he thinks he is in the "salary structure".
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« Reply #56 on: January 31, 2011, 12:56:00 pm »
It begs the question, what is the logic behind asking for the higher number and refusal to compromise, assuming it was offered by Wade/Smith? 

Wade/Smith offered a cutoff date for negotiations.  Naturally, Hunter missed it.
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« Reply #57 on: January 31, 2011, 12:58:52 pm »
Wade/Smith offered a cutoff date for negotiations.  Naturally, Hunter missed it.

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Re: Arbitration update
« Reply #58 on: January 31, 2011, 03:04:29 pm »
Wade/Smith offered a cutoff date for negotiations.  Naturally, Hunter missed it.

Nice.