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« on: November 25, 2010, 07:29:07 pm »
Horns bend-dont-break D is 2 for 2, but the number of mistakes they're making early sure isn't a good sign
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« Reply #1 on: November 25, 2010, 07:34:06 pm »
1st and 5, 2nd and 2, 3rd and 1, punt.  Ouch
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« Reply #2 on: November 25, 2010, 07:45:35 pm »
I can't believe we're up after 1.

I can't believe we're blanking m+A after 1.


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« Reply #3 on: November 25, 2010, 08:09:05 pm »
3rd and 7.

Throw for 5.

I'm really torn.   Would I rather we go to a shitty bowl game (probably, yes) or rather we fire the entire coaching staff (ooh, that's tough).

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« Reply #4 on: November 25, 2010, 08:12:20 pm »
It's embarrassing how poorly coached we are.

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« Reply #5 on: November 25, 2010, 08:30:04 pm »
3rd and 7.

Throw for 5.

I'm really torn.   Would I rather we go to a shitty bowl game (probably, yes) or rather we fire the entire coaching staff (ooh, that's tough).

Apparently you haven't heard... GD created the decade's most prolific offense.  Silly Internet, basement geek.
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« Reply #6 on: November 25, 2010, 08:35:07 pm »
Apparently you haven't heard... GD created the decade's most prolific offense.  Silly Internet, basement geek.

By your logic I could claim that this rock keeps tigers away.

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« Reply #7 on: November 25, 2010, 08:42:04 pm »
By your logic I could claim that this rock keeps tigers away.

I would like to buy your rock.
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« Reply #8 on: November 25, 2010, 08:42:53 pm »
By your logic I could claim that this rock keeps tigers away.

If you can recruit 25 more of those magic rocks every year, you could earn five million dollars.
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« Reply #9 on: November 25, 2010, 08:46:05 pm »
What the FUCK is the problem with Lou Holtz? That fucking idiot annoys me more than Brent Musburger, believe it or not.
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« Reply #10 on: November 25, 2010, 08:49:47 pm »
What the FUCK is the problem with Lou Holtz? That fucking idiot annoys me more than Brent Musburger, believe it or not.

He's a nice guy, though
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« Reply #11 on: November 25, 2010, 08:54:38 pm »
I'm at the in-laws in Savannah, GA. Everyone but me went to bed at 9:00 Eastern (lightweights) so I'm watching the game and drinking the rest of the beer. Don't think this counts as drinking alone because there are two cats hanging out with me.  I really don't care who wins--my loyalties lie elsewhere--but I hope it's a good second half.  Just wouldn't be Thanksgiving weekend without seeing at least part of this.  

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« Reply #12 on: November 25, 2010, 08:57:16 pm »
How does a team, any team, go from having 9 NFL players on offense to 7 to 5 to 0?

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« Reply #13 on: November 25, 2010, 09:00:40 pm »
I'm at the in-laws in Savannah, GA.

She hooked you with that "I declare!" Southern Belle drawl, didnt she?
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« Reply #14 on: November 25, 2010, 09:02:03 pm »
She hooked you with that "I declare!" Southern Belle drawl, didnt she?

Well, I NEVER.

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« Reply #15 on: November 25, 2010, 09:03:40 pm »
How does a team, any team, go from having 9 NFL players on offense to 7 to 5 to 0?

What gets me is that Mack's recruiting classes are so highly regarded.  We must be microwaving Kobe steak
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« Reply #16 on: November 25, 2010, 09:06:20 pm »
Whatever.

We have no business playing in a bowl anyway.

Good luck, Ags, in a real bowl game.

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« Reply #17 on: November 25, 2010, 09:10:37 pm »
Mack, Will, and Greg all return next season.   

I can feel it.

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« Reply #18 on: November 25, 2010, 09:19:07 pm »
Every week, ESPN makes me watch Pony Express and Jesse Palmer have sex in a weight room. 

Why.

Why, ESPN?

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« Reply #19 on: November 25, 2010, 09:19:48 pm »
Mack, Will, and Greg all return next season.   

I can feel it.


We lose tonight and Greg is gone by end of next week.
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« Reply #20 on: November 25, 2010, 09:22:37 pm »
We lose tonight and Greg is gone by end of next week.

$10?

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« Reply #21 on: November 25, 2010, 09:23:12 pm »
We must be microwaving Kobe steak

Or boiling it.

Man, this offense is painful. Gilbert has not had his feet set on a single pass that I have seen. OK, his feet were set on that one.
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« Reply #22 on: November 25, 2010, 09:26:15 pm »
Or boiling it.

You're both wrong.  We're mixing it with Hamburger Helper and feeding it to a 6 year old.

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Man, this offense is painful. Gilbert has not had his feet set on a single pass that I have seen. OK, his feet were set on that one.

The line sucks.  The receivers are terrible. 

That doesn't change the fact that GG does NOT have the best arm ANYone has seen.   Period.

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« Reply #23 on: November 25, 2010, 09:29:54 pm »
$10?

I didnt finish college, prick, because of Duke Nukem 2
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« Reply #24 on: November 25, 2010, 09:31:38 pm »
I didnt finish college, prick, because of Duke Nukem 2

Not fair.  He's not even here to defend himself.

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« Reply #25 on: November 25, 2010, 09:39:00 pm »
They have managed to construct the worst OL, the worst set of receivers, the worst running game and the worst defensive backfield we have seen in the Mack Brown era.
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« Reply #26 on: November 25, 2010, 09:39:36 pm »
We lose tonight and Greg is gone by end of next week.

He can tame Muschamp with him for all I care.
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« Reply #27 on: November 25, 2010, 09:41:06 pm »
He can tame Muschamp with him for all I care.

Agreed.

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« Reply #28 on: November 25, 2010, 09:41:30 pm »
They have managed to construct the worst OL, the worst set of receivers, the worst running game and the worst defensive backfield we have seen in the Mack Brown era.

Not even close.

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« Reply #29 on: November 25, 2010, 09:45:41 pm »
This A&M team is ok.  Not great. 

How the fuck, HOW THE FUCK, do you not show up with a plan to at LEAST beat these guys, your main rival, at home, on TV, to make even a shitty bowl?   How.  The fuck.

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« Reply #30 on: November 25, 2010, 09:46:38 pm »
This A&M team is ok.  Not great. 

How the fuck, HOW THE FUCK, do you not show up with a plan to at LEAST beat these guys, your main rival, at home, on TV, to make even a shitty bowl?   How.  The fuck.

They have a plan. Throw lots of long passes.
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« Reply #31 on: November 25, 2010, 09:48:36 pm »
He can tame Muschamp with him for all I care.

Did you see this?  Rumor that he gets to be involved in picking GD's replacment or he's out.
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« Reply #32 on: November 25, 2010, 09:50:45 pm »
Who was it that likes Real Ale Oktoberfest? Was it Hudson? Man, this shit sucks.
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« Reply #33 on: November 25, 2010, 09:55:29 pm »
Who was it that likes Real Ale Oktoberfest? Was it Hudson? Man, this shit sucks.

Never try new beer during a loss.

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« Reply #34 on: November 25, 2010, 09:56:19 pm »
They have a plan. Throw lots of long passes.

Was part of that plan to underthrow the receivers?

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« Reply #35 on: November 25, 2010, 09:58:37 pm »
And please, Santa, have Britt Mitchell killed.

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« Reply #36 on: November 25, 2010, 09:59:54 pm »
Can one of you guys who knows more about football than I do tell me why the fuck A&M was throwing the ball there on that last drive? Thankee.
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« Reply #37 on: November 25, 2010, 10:00:36 pm »
GG is a terrible QB.   Stop blaming everyone else.  They suck too.   But GG is awful.

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« Reply #38 on: November 25, 2010, 10:01:07 pm »
And please, Santa, have Britt Mitchell killed.

The guy from Poison? What the hell did he ever do to you?
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« Reply #39 on: November 25, 2010, 10:01:14 pm »
Can one of you guys who knows more about football than I do tell me why the fuck A&M was throwing the ball there on that last drive? Thankee.

Sure.

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« Reply #40 on: November 25, 2010, 10:01:33 pm »
Can one of you guys who knows more about football than I do tell me why the fuck A&M was throwing the ball there on that last drive? Thankee.

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« Reply #41 on: November 25, 2010, 10:01:36 pm »
The guy from Poison? What the hell did he ever do to you?

Tore my shit up.

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« Reply #43 on: November 25, 2010, 10:02:33 pm »
The guy from Poison? What the hell did he ever do to you?

Shut him down in Rock of Love.
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« Reply #44 on: November 25, 2010, 10:03:30 pm »
Beat you to it.

I'm throwing off my back foot.
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« Reply #45 on: November 25, 2010, 10:03:53 pm »
I'm throwing off my back foot.

Bad coaching.

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« Reply #46 on: November 25, 2010, 10:04:38 pm »
Shut him down in Rock of Love.

How the hell do you know about Poison? They weren't active in the early 70's.
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« Reply #47 on: November 25, 2010, 10:05:30 pm »
I'm throwing off my back foot.

Rolling out to the left.
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« Reply #48 on: November 25, 2010, 10:05:51 pm »
How the hell do you know about Poison? They weren't active in the early 70's.

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« Reply #49 on: November 25, 2010, 10:06:17 pm »
I'm in love with rock and roll and I'll be out all night.

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« Reply #50 on: November 25, 2010, 10:06:30 pm »
I've got kids.

Fine.  You're free to go.   But tell your friends about me. 

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« Reply #51 on: November 25, 2010, 10:07:44 pm »
Fine.  You're free to go.   But tell your friends about me. 

I won't say anything about the sex change. I hope it works out for you.
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« Reply #52 on: November 25, 2010, 10:08:23 pm »
I won't say anything about the sex change. I hope it works out for you.

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« Reply #53 on: November 25, 2010, 10:09:42 pm »
m+a is going to get murdered in their bowl game.

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« Reply #54 on: November 25, 2010, 10:11:32 pm »
m+a is going to get murdered in their bowl game.

So is Texas.

Wait, what?
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« Reply #55 on: November 25, 2010, 10:12:17 pm »
So is Texas.

Wait, what?

UTEP - bowling.
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« Reply #56 on: November 25, 2010, 10:12:19 pm »
I've got kids.

If you let your kids listen to Poison the terrorists win.
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« Reply #57 on: November 25, 2010, 10:12:44 pm »
I'm so proud that Mack Brown wants to go to a bowl game so this team will have more practice time.
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« Reply #58 on: November 25, 2010, 10:13:24 pm »
If you let your kids listen to Poison the terrorists win.

Nah, they don't. Sometimes they'd have that shitty show on though.
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« Reply #59 on: November 25, 2010, 10:15:13 pm »
I'm so proud that Mack Brown wants to go to a bowl game so this team will have more practice time.

I laughed out loud at that. That's about as good as it gets.
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« Reply #60 on: November 25, 2010, 10:15:20 pm »
"That's a Greg Davis coached quarterback."
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« Reply #61 on: November 25, 2010, 10:15:57 pm »
GG sucks.

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« Reply #62 on: November 25, 2010, 10:16:37 pm »
Dude, it's the wind. Fucking with him.
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« Reply #63 on: November 25, 2010, 10:17:06 pm »
Dude, it's the wind. Fucking with him.

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« Reply #64 on: November 25, 2010, 10:18:00 pm »
Tonight, I'd like to thank my mom and dad and grama and the Big XII officials.

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« Reply #65 on: November 25, 2010, 10:18:53 pm »
It's so bad that even if some miracle of Aggyness pops up and Texas somehow wins this game, I can't be happy about it. Not because my wife is an Aggie but because I want this season to be over. Getting raped in the Nowhere Bowl by St Fuckstick State is a shitty thing to have looming in your future.
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« Reply #66 on: November 25, 2010, 10:20:02 pm »
God.

Your God.

Yahweh is a mischievous God.
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« Reply #67 on: November 25, 2010, 10:20:36 pm »
It's so bad that even if some miracle of Aggyness pops up and Texas somehow wins this game, I can't be happy about it.

I'm with you.

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Not because my wife is an Aggie

I'm with....whoa...what?

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but because I want this season to be over.

Because you married an Aggie?

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Getting raped in the Nowhere Bowl by St Fuckstick State is a shitty thing to have looming in your future.

Like marrying an Aggie?

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« Reply #68 on: November 25, 2010, 10:21:20 pm »
Well, if that ain't the most perfect way for the season to end, I don't know what is.

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« Reply #69 on: November 25, 2010, 10:21:33 pm »
She has dual citizenship. She also graduated from the LBJ School.
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« Reply #70 on: November 25, 2010, 10:22:15 pm »
She has dual citizenship. She also graduated from the LBJ School.

Whew.

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« Reply #71 on: November 25, 2010, 10:22:46 pm »
Gilbert is fucking terrible. I don't care ho young he is or what sort of arm he has or what he did in fucking high school.
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« Reply #72 on: November 25, 2010, 10:23:15 pm »
Gilbert is fucking terrible. I don't care ho young he is or what sort of arm he has or what he did in fucking high school.

Sarcasm?

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« Reply #73 on: November 25, 2010, 10:24:44 pm »
I'll see you bitches on the flip.

I called a 4-loss season.  It never even crossed my mind we wouldn't be eligible for a bowl game.   What a monumental failure.

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« Reply #74 on: November 25, 2010, 10:25:16 pm »
Gilbert is fucking terrible. I don't care ho young he is or what sort of arm he has or what he did in fucking high school.

This team has so many things wrong with it, and some of them affect GG's performance, but you're right, he has sucked a lot more often this year than not. He doesn't seem to know how to get to that next level. And he was a lights-out, #1 or #2 QB in the country coming out of high school.
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« Reply #75 on: November 25, 2010, 10:26:26 pm »
Sarcasm?

Sarcasm? What? I know you've watched this and every other game. Gilbert is fucking terrible.
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« Reply #76 on: November 25, 2010, 10:27:13 pm »
Sarcasm? What? I know you've watched this and every other game. Gilbert is fucking terrible.

I thought you were just fucking with me.

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« Reply #77 on: November 25, 2010, 10:29:03 pm »
No, THAT is how to end the season.  What fucktitude.
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« Reply #78 on: November 25, 2010, 10:29:11 pm »
What a fitting limp-dicked end.  

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« Reply #79 on: November 25, 2010, 10:29:25 pm »
Well, gents, I've only really followed Horns football since 1994.

This was the biggest shitfest I've been a part of, including the 97 season.   

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« Reply #80 on: November 25, 2010, 10:29:54 pm »
Fuck. And now they won't get an extra month of practice. Next year is going to suck too. Damn!
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« Reply #81 on: November 25, 2010, 10:30:33 pm »
Fuck. And now they won't get an extra month of practice. Next year is going to suck too. Damn!

Look at the bright side.   No one's leaving early to go pro.

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« Reply #82 on: November 25, 2010, 10:31:15 pm »
That was probably the best possible way to end the season. Just total dumbfuckery. This is a stupid fucking team. WAS a stupid fucking team.
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« Reply #83 on: November 25, 2010, 10:31:22 pm »
Well, gents, I've only really followed Horns football since 1994.

This was the biggest shitfest I've been a part of, including the 97 season.   

It has been an historically shitty season that came out of nowhere. It has been a long time since this program was as confused as it is right now.
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« Reply #84 on: November 25, 2010, 10:33:09 pm »
That was probably the best possible way to end the season. Just total dumbfuckery. This is a stupid fucking team. WAS a stupid fucking team.

Everyone will owe me $10 each.

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« Reply #85 on: November 25, 2010, 10:34:31 pm »
Everyone will owe me $10 each.

You'll see.

No one will be held responsible.

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« Reply #86 on: November 25, 2010, 10:35:09 pm »
It has been an historically shitty season that came out of nowhere. It has been a long time since this program was as confused as it is right now.

This didn't come ouot of nowhere.  The talent that covered up all of the fundamental flaws disappeared.
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« Reply #87 on: November 25, 2010, 10:36:20 pm »
Well, gents, I've only really followed Horns football since 1994.

This was the biggest shitfest I've been a part of, including the 97 season.   

I've followed since I can remember, around 1980.  And ditto on the biggest shitfest.
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« Reply #88 on: November 25, 2010, 10:36:49 pm »
Everyone will owe me $10 each.

You'll see.

No one will be held responsible.

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« Reply #89 on: November 25, 2010, 10:37:30 pm »
This didn't come ouot of nowhere.  The talent that covered up all of the fundamental flaws disappeared.

It came out of nowhere for the fans, I think. The canary in the coal mine was their inability to get a yard on the ground when they had to, over the past 2 or 3 seasons, but this kind of collapse is close to unprecedented.
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« Reply #90 on: November 25, 2010, 10:40:24 pm »
I'm glad you're a Titan of Industry because you're going to have to pay up.

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« Reply #91 on: November 25, 2010, 10:42:45 pm »
Captain Pussy? Ok.
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« Reply #92 on: November 25, 2010, 10:43:14 pm »
I prefer Captain, pussy.

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« Reply #93 on: November 25, 2010, 10:43:25 pm »
Captain Pussy? Ok.

I..........nevermind.

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« Reply #94 on: November 25, 2010, 10:44:43 pm »
Captain Pussy? Ok.

Oh, reminds me, I recently made some Thai curry with that canned durian I was telling you about and it did not smell, or taste, like wolf pussy.
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« Reply #95 on: November 25, 2010, 10:44:48 pm »
You hurt my feelings.

You need to find a better way to let me know.   Name calling and some proof of what a real man you are would be good.

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« Reply #96 on: November 25, 2010, 10:45:18 pm »
Oh, reminds me, I recently made some Thai curry with that canned durian I was telling you about and it did not smell, or taste, like wolf pussy.

CANNED durian?  You can't go get the fresh shit down at the market? 

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« Reply #97 on: November 25, 2010, 10:45:22 pm »
It came out of nowhere for the fans, I think. The canary in the coal mine was their inability to get a yard on the ground when they had to, over the past 2 or 3 seasons, but this kind of collapse is close to unprecedented.

come on... an entire 4 previous #2 teams had losing records the following year.  And only 2 of them were service academies.
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« Reply #98 on: November 25, 2010, 10:46:55 pm »
CANNED durian?  You can't go get the fresh shit down at the market? 

The canned shit doesn't stink like the fresh shit.
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« Reply #99 on: November 25, 2010, 10:47:42 pm »
The canned shit doesn't stink like the fresh shit.

I wish I could believe that.

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« Reply #100 on: November 25, 2010, 10:47:51 pm »
come on... an entire 4 previous #2 teams had losing records the following year.  And only 2 of them were service academies.

I'd call that evidence of a collapse that is close to unprecedented.
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« Reply #101 on: November 25, 2010, 10:49:17 pm »
Oh, reminds me, I recently made some Thai curry with that canned durian I was telling you about and it did not smell, or taste, like wolf pussy.

This is encouraging. Someone gave me a bottle of ghost chiles and I haven't been brave enough to try to use them. Perhaps with some durian I could achieve fame or Nirvana.
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« Reply #102 on: November 25, 2010, 10:51:33 pm »
I wish I could believe that.

Believe it, nitz. If you cooked I'd recommend you try some. Cooked in curry it's remarkably like heart of palm with a very nice texture and a mild flavor. No, I cannot get it at the market. I live in Panama, not Penang.
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« Reply #103 on: November 25, 2010, 10:53:21 pm »
I live in Panama, not Penang.

What's the difference?

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« Reply #104 on: November 25, 2010, 10:53:30 pm »
I'd call that evidence of a collapse that is close to unprecedented.

Nonsense. Why, it happened as recently as 1975.
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« Reply #105 on: November 25, 2010, 10:58:09 pm »
What's the difference?

The difference in the spiky, green fruit is that they have durian and we have guanabana which is green and spiky and custardy but does not smell like wolf pussy.

The other difference is that they speak jibber jabber.
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« Reply #106 on: November 25, 2010, 11:17:42 pm »
I've only been following this team since 1968 and the past season was the most fuckshittingly shitfuckingly season of fuckshitternessosity I can remember--it was like they shat their own dicks out their asses while simultaneously shitting pee and microwaved boiled kobe beef mixed with hamburger helper barfed from the belly of a 6 year old out from the dicks they were shitting from their collective ass. It was kind of fucked up.
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« Reply #107 on: November 25, 2010, 11:17:53 pm »
Some very interesting speculation tonight about ESPN's pumping and puff pieces on Madden and Greg Davis, wondering if it's a pat on the back as they go out the door or an attempt to repair their reputations and perhaps a tip that they won't be part of any changes made. There were no corresponding puff pieces or gorveling mentions of Muschamp during the broadcast that I can remember.

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« Reply #108 on: November 25, 2010, 11:18:52 pm »
I've only been following this team since 1968 and the past season was the most fuckshittingly shitfuckingly season of fuckshitternessosity I can remember--it was like they shat their own dicks out their asses while simultaneously shitting pee and microwaved boiled kobe beef mixed with hamburger helper barfed from the belly of a 6 year old out from the dicks they were shitting from their collective ass. It was kind of fucked up.

Don't be so easy on them. If you think it was bad, go ahead and say so.
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« Reply #109 on: November 26, 2010, 12:11:05 am »
Some very interesting speculation tonight about ESPN's pumping and puff pieces on Madden and Greg Davis, wondering if it's a pat on the back as they go out the door or an attempt to repair their reputations and perhaps a tip that they won't be part of any changes made. There were no corresponding puff pieces or gorveling mentions of Muschamp during the broadcast that I can remember.

This offseason could just be a continuation of suck.

If Mack doesn't make necessary changes(ie firing his "friends"), it might be time to look for a new head coach.    His "coaching" this season was pathetic and the worst part is no player was ever held accountable for mistakes.  

Gilbert was a turnover machine, yet another quarterback never saw meaningful playing time.     Curtis Brown and Aaron Williams continually muffed punts, but they were allowed to keep those responsibilities through eight games of the season.  Britt Mitchell has been terrible all year, but he keeps his starting job.   Even better, they let him block Von Miller without help at least once tonight.   The receivers have dropped numerous passes this season, but the only change at that position was to demote Malcolm Williams for tonight's game.     On defense, how many times do you have see long touchdown runs up the middle before you try something else scheme wise or replace the safeties that are never in the picture on those plays.    
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Everyone will owe me $10 each.

You'll see.

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« Reply #112 on: November 26, 2010, 08:04:25 am »
What a typical way to end the year.  Tipped ball interception and a mental mistake on a punt return.

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« Reply #113 on: November 26, 2010, 10:25:38 am »
The losses have intensified speculation among fans that Brown will replace one or more assistant coaches, including longtime offensive coordinator Greg Davis.

Davis has said he doesn't plan to retire.

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« Reply #114 on: November 26, 2010, 10:56:10 am »
I expect the $10 to arrive in the form of a crisp, new bill.
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« Reply #115 on: November 26, 2010, 11:24:03 am »
Some very interesting speculation tonight about ESPN's pumping and puff pieces on Madden and Greg Davis, wondering if it's a pat on the back as they go out the door or an attempt to repair their reputations and perhaps a tip that they won't be part of any changes made. There were no corresponding puff pieces or gorveling mentions of Muschamp during the broadcast that I can remember.

This offseason could just be a continuation of suck.

I didn't watch the game.  What was the Greg Davis puff piece like?

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« Reply #116 on: November 26, 2010, 11:54:56 am »
I didn't watch the game.  What was the Greg Davis puff piece like?

GD's was more of a running tribute to his greatness that started in the 2nd quarter, I think. Lots of talk about what a great offensive mind he is, great QB coach, the success of the offenses of the past, etc. It continued through the rest of the game, to the point where it was sickeningly obvious that they were pumping maniacally. I don't know if it was because they were woefully unprepared and fixed on him as a glossy talking point or if there was something else going on.

At one point, maybe in the 3rd quarter, Gilbert hit a pass or two and I think it was Craig James who let loose with an excited, "That's a Greg Davis coached quarterback!"
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« Reply #117 on: November 26, 2010, 11:59:26 am »
At one point, maybe in the 3rd quarter, Gilbert hit a pass or two and I think it was Craig James who let loose with an excited, "That's a Greg Davis coached quarterback!"

17 INTs; worst in the Big 12.

That's a Greg Davis coached quarterback!

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« Reply #118 on: November 26, 2010, 11:59:40 am »
Neither here nor there, but Yahoo had a Bevo retrospective prior to the game yesterday:  LINK
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« Reply #119 on: November 26, 2010, 12:08:28 pm »
GD's was more of a running tribute to his greatness that started in the 2nd quarter, I think. Lots of talk about what a great offensive mind he is, great QB coach, the success of the offenses of the past, etc. It continued through the rest of the game, to the point where it was sickeningly obvious that they were pumping maniacally. I don't know if it was because they were woefully unprepared and fixed on him as a glossy talking point or if there was something else going on.

At one point, maybe in the 3rd quarter, Gilbert hit a pass or two and I think it was Craig James who let loose with an excited, "That's a Greg Davis coached quarterback!"

that's hilarious, and gotta be intentional.  i mean, as an announcing crew coming to town doing research on the game it must be obvious that the biggest local story is the fans hatred of greg davis.

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« Reply #120 on: November 26, 2010, 12:10:30 pm »
17 INTs; worst in the Big 12.

That's a Greg Davis coached quarterback!

17 INTS in an offense where 99% of the passes go less than 6 yards past the line of scrimmage.

ETA:

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« Reply #121 on: November 26, 2010, 12:12:53 pm »
I expect the $10 to arrive in the form of a crisp, new bill.

If one of the three is gone, it will be by personal choice, not because someone was held responsible.

I'm not saying that gets me out of the bet, I'm just saying the bottomline is...no one will be held responsible.

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« Reply #122 on: November 26, 2010, 12:20:01 pm »
Whoa, whoa, whoa.

I just read that if there aren't enough bowl eligible teams, the Horns could still go. 

Ridiculous.

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« Reply #123 on: November 26, 2010, 12:23:16 pm »
that's hilarious, and gotta be intentional.  i mean, as an announcing crew coming to town doing research on the game it must be obvious that the biggest local story is the fans hatred of greg davis.

It was so bad it drove me to mute the sound and find my radio.

Do you know who Texas' offensive coordinator was when the offense was setting records in 2005 and 2009? Greg Davis!
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« Reply #124 on: November 26, 2010, 12:37:33 pm »
It was so bad it drove me to mute the sound and find my radio.

Do you know who Texas' offensive coordinator was when the offense was setting records in 2005 and 2009? Greg Davis!

Did you see what he did with Vince Young?  He left him alone and he won a national title.

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« Reply #125 on: November 26, 2010, 12:57:30 pm »
Did you see what he did with Vince Young?  He left him alone and he won a national title.

No, you're WAY off. He built the offense around VY's skills, such as they were, and then molded him into the greatest college QB of all time.
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« Reply #126 on: November 26, 2010, 01:00:25 pm »
No, you're WAY off. He built the offense around VY's skills, such as they were, and then molded him into the greatest college QB of all time.

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« Reply #127 on: November 26, 2010, 01:13:02 pm »
I'm not saying that gets me out of the bet, I'm just saying the bottomline is...no one will be held responsible.

Hold on - you want Mack Brown and the University of Texas to fire 3 or 4 high-profile employees and then let the public know that they did it because they weren't doing the job well enough to suit fans?  I understand that you aren't satisfied with MB and the coaches saying publicly that it's their responsibility, but wouldn't them leaving, under whatever circumstances, be clear enough as to what is going on?

Have you no sense of decency, sir?
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The candid talks have now given way to actual action and specifics as it relates to who’s staying and going. As we told you in our last update, Greg Davis has come to grips with giving up the reins as Offensive Coordinator. If what we hear is true that hasn’t changed. As for the other staff turnover we’ve heard Coach Tolleson will retire along with Coach Macwhorter. Bobby Kennedy, as was first reported here, has other issues to deal with so he will be asked to find other employment. There is a possibility that Chambers leaves as well, but our source wasn’t definitive. The other 4 souded like they were set in stone.

As for Coach Madden, Will Muschamp has stated he wants to move in another direction here, but Mack Brown isn’t comfortable with letting his entire inner circle go and he’d like to retain Mad Dog until he retires. That situation is fluid because other sources claim Mad Dog is gone too.
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Reassignments and retirements will happen after the Texas Football Banquet we’re hearing but could move quicker if circumstances are right with replacements we’ve targeted.
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...expect Will to go after young assistants that “bust their ass” on the recruiting trail. In other words, everyone pulls their weight and is accountable for who they bring in. According to our source, these are Muschamp’s words.

Reassignments and retirements will happen after the Texas Football Banquet we’re hearing but could move quicker if circumstances are right with replacements we’ve targeted.

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« Reply #131 on: November 26, 2010, 01:44:55 pm »
Hold on - you want Mack Brown and the University of Texas to fire 3 or 4 high-profile employees and then let the public know that they did it because they weren't doing the job well enough to suit fans?  I understand that you aren't satisfied with MB and the coaches saying publicly that it's their responsibility, but wouldn't them leaving, under whatever circumstances, be clear enough as to what is going on?

Have you no sense of decency, sir?

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« Reply #132 on: November 26, 2010, 02:03:09 pm »
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« Reply #133 on: November 26, 2010, 02:05:43 pm »
Friday, December 10

Clearly they don't understand that Alkie Jr.'s preschool tuition is on the line here.

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« Reply #134 on: November 26, 2010, 02:24:51 pm »
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« Reply #135 on: November 27, 2010, 12:03:24 pm »
I try not to think about the Aggies much, so I didn't bother researching the easy answer.  But is the Big XII's three way tiebreaker still the highest BCS rank?  If OU beats OK State tonight, they'll all have the same record as the Aggies (ATM beat OU, OSU beat ATM, OU beat OSU), so that means OU probably goes in as the highest seed.
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« Reply #136 on: November 27, 2010, 12:15:17 pm »
I try not to think about the Aggies much, so I didn't bother researching the easy answer.  But is the Big XII's three way tiebreaker still the highest BCS rank?  If OU beats OK State tonight, they'll all have the same record as the Aggies (ATM beat OU, OSU beat ATM, OU beat OSU), so that means OU probably goes in as the highest seed.

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« Reply #137 on: November 27, 2010, 02:28:47 pm »
I try not to think about the Aggies much, so I didn't bother researching the easy answer.  But is the Big XII's three way tiebreaker still the highest BCS rank?  If OU beats OK State tonight, they'll all have the same record as the Aggies (ATM beat OU, OSU beat ATM, OU beat OSU), so that means OU probably goes in as the highest seed.

The only change (in place for this season) to the above is if the two highest rated (BCS) of the teams in the 3-way tie are within one spot of each other in the BCS, the head to head between those teams comes into play.

So if OSU wins, they win outright, A&M is 2nd with 2 losses, and OU is third with three losses.

If OU wins, there's a three way tie between OSU, OU and A&M.  Currently OSU is 9th, OU is 13th and A&M is 17th.  A&M's slim, almost nothing chance to win the South hinges on OU winning and A&M leapfrogging enough teams that OU would end up say 11th and A&M would end up 12th.  In that instance, A&M would rep the south.

The most likely answer is that the Bedlam winner represents the south next Saturday against Nebraska.

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« Reply #138 on: November 27, 2010, 02:34:24 pm »
Whoever it is, I hope the beat the living shit out of Nebraska.
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« Reply #139 on: November 27, 2010, 03:08:45 pm »
Whoever it is, I hope the beat the living shit out of Nebraska.

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« Reply #140 on: November 27, 2010, 03:42:53 pm »
No, you're WAY off. He built the offense around VY's skills, such as they were, and then molded him into the greatest college QB of all time.

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He molded Vince Young into Tim Tebow?

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Does Brady Quinn get no love?

Not until he wins a couple of BCS championships and a Heisman.
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« Reply #143 on: November 27, 2010, 07:19:40 pm »
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« Reply #144 on: November 27, 2010, 09:44:21 pm »
Whoever it is, I hope the beat the living shit out of Nebraska.

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« Reply #146 on: November 28, 2010, 10:28:12 am »
a tip of my cap to OU. that was some game last night.
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« Reply #147 on: November 28, 2010, 10:56:11 am »
I hope they can bring it to NU and leave those bastards in the ditch.
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I hope they can bring it to NU and leave those bastards in the ditch.

One of the few times in my life I will ever root for the land thieves.
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« Reply #150 on: November 28, 2010, 01:25:15 pm »
One of the few times in my life I will ever root for the land thieves.

Payback for sticking with the Big 12 and the UT money machine.
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« Reply #151 on: November 29, 2010, 10:11:37 am »
a tip of my cap to OU. that was some game last night.

The play the OSU D Back made was maybe the most spectacular I have ever seen!

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« Reply #152 on: November 29, 2010, 11:38:01 am »
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The problem with college football is that the season ends.

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« Reply #154 on: December 02, 2010, 09:42:02 am »
More info leaking.
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More info leaking.
I hope the guy has good sources.

i do, and my guess it is wild ass speculation.
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More info leaking.
I hope the guy has good sources.

Looks like he does, and it's starting to blow up everywhere.  GD to new position, Tolleson and McWhorter retiring, Kennedy gone, maybe Madden to Bryant's spot. Hires by Saturday.
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« Reply #157 on: December 02, 2010, 10:48:19 am »
OB reporting that Davis will be replaced.
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« Reply #158 on: December 02, 2010, 10:54:47 am »
OB reporting that Davis will be replaced.
I'm expecting to see someone like Malzahn, a big-name splash that will tutor Major for two years then head off for a HC gig.  Muschamp is supposedly a big Major fan.
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« Reply #159 on: December 02, 2010, 10:59:23 am »
I'm expecting to see someone like Malzahn, a big-name splash that will tutor Major for two years then head off for a HC gig.  Muschamp is supposedly a big Major fan.

Major is nowhere near ready for that.
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« Reply #160 on: December 02, 2010, 11:01:05 am »
Major is nowhere near ready for that.

Ready or not... I think when "in waiting" comes off the title, Major's the OC.

Oh, and DMN is running with the OB report as "Greg Davis Fired".
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« Reply #161 on: December 02, 2010, 11:01:54 am »
I'm expecting to see someone like Malzahn, a big-name splash that will tutor Major for two years then head off for a HC gig.  Muschamp is supposedly a big Major fan.

If the Recruitocosm stuff is to be believed, and it certainly has been correct on many things lately, the Regents will approve some big money today for an offensive coordinator salary so whomever it is will be a major name that commands over $1MM a year.
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« Reply #162 on: December 02, 2010, 11:21:50 am »
If the Recruitocosm stuff is to be believed, and it certainly has been correct on many things lately, the Regents will approve some big money today for an offensive coordinator salary so whomever it is will be a Major name that commands over $1MM a year.

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« Reply #163 on: December 02, 2010, 11:22:39 am »
No way Major gets the OC job right now. OCIW, maybe.
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« Reply #164 on: December 02, 2010, 11:34:45 am »
Ready or not... I think when "in waiting" comes off the title, Major's the OC.

Oh, and DMN is running with the OB report as "Greg Davis Fired".

we'll see re Major.

that is a chickenshit headline of doubtful truth. i know nothing, but my guess is that he fell on his sword to be a scapegoat for his friend.
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The Twitter feed for Recruitocosm has lots of additional rumors/info on this.
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« Reply #166 on: December 02, 2010, 02:24:49 pm »
Looks like this completly overwhelming fantake.com.
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Looks like this completly overwhelming fantake.com.

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« Reply #168 on: December 02, 2010, 03:25:23 pm »
Bohls tweet:
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Wha?!
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« Reply #169 on: December 02, 2010, 03:33:47 pm »
Bohls tweet:
"Texas AD DeLoss Dodds will receive a long extension today of five years and more, meaning it's TV or coaching for Mack Brown"

Wha?!

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« Reply #170 on: December 02, 2010, 03:46:55 pm »
Bohls tweet:
"Texas AD DeLoss Dodds will receive a long extension today of five years and more, meaning it's TV or coaching for Mack Brown"

Wha?!

I suppose it means that Muschamp has to remain coach-in-waiting for the forseeable future or make a decision. 

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« Reply #171 on: December 02, 2010, 04:03:50 pm »
I suppose it means that Muschamp has to remain coach-in-waiting for the forseeable future or make a decision. 

The preponderance of rumor has it that Muschamp is staying and these changes help to set a timeline of transition to him from Brown. I'd view the extension as a reward to DeLoss for his ESPN deal and it may or may not have anything to do with any possible transition to Mack Brown. Mack may not be happy with how his hand was forced on this and might just ride off into the sunset.
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« Reply #172 on: December 02, 2010, 04:09:06 pm »
So what exactly is the "official" word on what happened today?

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« Reply #173 on: December 02, 2010, 04:11:53 pm »
So what exactly is the "official" word on what happened today?

Nothing yet. I'm sure whatever took place was in Executive Session, so as far as The World knows it never happened. They'll have to comment sooner or later but they're probably trying to finalize the replacement before they say anything at all.
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« Reply #174 on: December 02, 2010, 04:15:40 pm »
Nothing yet. I'm sure whatever took place was in Executive Session, so as far as The World knows it never happened. They'll have to comment sooner or later but they're probably trying to finalize the replacement before they say anything at all.

Thanks.  Thought I might have missed something.

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« Reply #175 on: December 02, 2010, 04:19:11 pm »
Thanks.  Thought I might have missed something.

It's pretty funny that the DMN went with the story but the Statesman continues to ignore it. Even local TV has the story. Bellmont will have to comment soon. I'd be surprised if they hadn't already had substantial contact with the prospective hire before the meeting today, they had to know that this wouldn't keep until the weekend.
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« Reply #176 on: December 02, 2010, 04:26:46 pm »
The Austin NBC affiliate has the weak, runny example of what passes for journalism these days:

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According to a report, Davis seems to be out , though University of Texas Athletics officials told KXAN Austin News that there have been no changes at this time and that they would let the station know if there are any coaching changes. The Orangebloods website is an independently operated news source not affiliated with any school or team.

Orangebloods is not much of a source for this story and only went public with it after others already had. I'm sure they appreciate the publicity though. That "UT Athletics officials" refers to Mack Brown's web site (probably Bill Little), and allowing "they would let the station know if there are any coaching changes" in the story is just insulting.
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« Reply #177 on: December 02, 2010, 04:27:56 pm »
It's pretty funny that the DMN went with the story but the Statesman continues to ignore it. Even local TV has the story. Bellmont will have to comment soon. I'd be surprised if they hadn't already had substantial contact with the prospective hire before the meeting today, they had to know that this wouldn't keep until the weekend.

Which would seem to mean (to me, at least) that Malzahn isn't the guy. It would seem like an incredible breach of etiquette to start negotiating with that guy on the eve the conference championship game that will determine whether he goes to the national championship game.
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« Reply #178 on: December 02, 2010, 04:29:26 pm »
Which would seem to mean (to me, at least) that Malzahn isn't the guy. It would seem like an incredible breach of etiquette to start negotiating with that guy on the eve the conference championship game that will determine whether he goes to the national championship game.

The rumor is that it is Dana Holgorsen of OSU
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« Reply #179 on: December 02, 2010, 04:30:07 pm »
Which would seem to mean (to me, at least) that Malzahn isn't the guy. It would seem like an incredible breach of etiquette to start negotiating with that guy on the eve the conference championship game that will determine whether he goes to the national championship game.

Malzahn is supposed to be in the mix, but supposedly the #1 candidate is Dana Holgorsen.

Negotiations at this time of year are always a touchy subject but they definitely do happen.
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« Reply #180 on: December 02, 2010, 04:35:11 pm »
Malzahn is supposed to be in the mix, but supposedly the #1 candidate is Dana Holgorsen.

Negotiations at this time of year are always a touchy subject but they definitely do happen.

I haven't been keeping up.  How do either of these guys help with the power running game?

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« Reply #181 on: December 02, 2010, 04:38:42 pm »
Looks like all the big-splash guys are spread guys, but they know how to get a running game going too.

ETA: Texas doesn't have the players to make a power running game work, but they might get something out of a Pistol or some I variation. We'll see.
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« Reply #182 on: December 02, 2010, 04:59:57 pm »
I haven't been keeping up.  How do either of these guys help with the power running game?

Great question.  I guess there isn't a consensus on Davis' actual weakness, just a consensus that he needs to be replaced. 

Does OSU do a lot of the sideways running and passing? 

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« Reply #183 on: December 02, 2010, 05:06:55 pm »
Great question.  I guess there isn't a consensus on Davis' actual weakness, just a consensus that he needs to be replaced.  

Does OSU do a lot of the sideways running and passing?  

If it's any indication, prior to OSU Holgorsen was the OC at U of H and before that for many years the OC at Texas Tech.  He is . . . creative.  And aggresive. 
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someone on one of the boards suggested we'll see 15 screens the first game next season and discover it was Brown all along
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« Reply #185 on: December 02, 2010, 07:34:29 pm »
someone on one of the boards suggested we'll see 15 screens the first game next season and discover it was Brown all along

of course it has been. he is the HEAD coach.
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« Reply #186 on: December 02, 2010, 07:37:34 pm »
The Austin NBC affiliate has the weak, runny example of what passes for journalism these days:

Orangebloods is not much of a source for this story and only went public with it after others already had. I'm sure they appreciate the publicity though. That "UT Athletics officials" refers to Mack Brown's web site (probably Bill Little), and allowing "they would let the station know if there are any coaching changes" in the story is just insulting.

Chip Brown and Ketchum have excellent sources but, unlike journalists, they make agreements not to release stuff.
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« Reply #187 on: December 02, 2010, 07:54:26 pm »
Chip Brown and Ketchum have excellent sources but, unlike journalists, they make agreements not to release stuff.

Yeah, and it's now to the point where it would be too much time and trouble for an entity like KXAN to actually try to find real sources to corroborate what really is just a whole lot of smoke and rumor without attribution. Just like in the early days of cable, we're seeing journalism sink to the level of something anyone with a phone and a computer can create, while we see the best of those outlets rise to something that is still far below what news entities used to be. Blech.

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« Reply #188 on: December 03, 2010, 07:30:13 am »
More last night on the vetting of potential OC candidates. Sounds like there is a potential deal-breaker with Holgorsen, but this is a really good cheat sheet on the others in the mix.
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« Reply #189 on: December 03, 2010, 08:22:24 am »
After reading that article, I suspect that this could turn out bad.  He talks highly of coaches most likely to bring a running game and a solid offense, but says Texas doesn't have the personnel and cannot afford to wait two years to acquire the personnel.  So, these good choices are likely out.  WTF?

I understand the Mack-must-do-this-quickly reasoning, but these are Mack reasons and not UT reasons.  Terrible if they lead to settling on something less than the best option for the University as a whole.

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« Reply #190 on: December 03, 2010, 08:53:13 am »
After reading that article, I suspect that this could turn out bad.  He talks highly of coaches most likely to bring a running game and a solid offense, but says Texas doesn't have the personnel and cannot afford to wait two years to acquire the personnel.  So, these good choices are likely out.  WTF?

He says that about Chryst and Shaw, but I didn't notice it carrying over to the other coaches he named.
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« Reply #191 on: December 03, 2010, 09:07:43 am »
He does say of Holgorsen:

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Short-term presiding over long-term.  Mack's timelines, not UT's.  Could lead to a sub-optimal choice.

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« Reply #192 on: December 03, 2010, 09:14:14 am »
He does say of Holgorsen:

Short-term presiding over long-term.  Mack's timelines, not UT's.  Could lead to a sub-optimal choice.

I think that's with respect to the transition and perhaps the ascendance of Major, but I'm just reading between the lines. I don't know if they could find someone who fits all of the requirements and who is also THE GUY for both Brown and Muschamp.
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« Reply #193 on: December 03, 2010, 09:42:12 am »
It seems like a lot of goals are in the background:  Mack's need to win now, even at the possible expense of the long-term program; Mack's desire to get a wow guy who will give him another dose of recruiting adrenaline, because in Mack's mind, that is the road to success; some seemingly apparent desire to either appease or please Muschamp; and of course the fan's desire for goats, whether or not goats are the real problem.

Trying to fulfill all those goals with one hire is going to be tough.

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« Reply #194 on: December 03, 2010, 10:06:59 am »
I haven't been keeping up.  How do either of these guys help with the power running game?
Or, hold on to passes thrown to receivers?  On that note, I've been told by a few folks that the Swope kid who channels Jordan Shipley for A&M was very interested in Texas but didn't get an offer which was instead reserved for yet another 4 or 5 star recruit con manos de piedras.
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« Reply #195 on: December 03, 2010, 10:50:47 am »
the Swope kid who channels Jordan Shipley 


this is funny.  My dad and brother think he is freaking Wes Welker.  don't get me wrong, he is a very good college football player, but he channels Danny Amendola, not Jordan Shipley.

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« Reply #196 on: December 03, 2010, 11:18:36 am »
this is funny.  My dad and brother think he is freaking Wes Welker.  don't get me wrong, he is a very good college football player, but he channels Danny Amendola, not Jordan Shipley.

I've been impressed by his play, without question, but he's no where near Shipley's performance level.  Keep in mind, Swope is a Sophomore.  Fuller draws so much coverage that it creates opportunities for the other receivers. However, of that second group, Swope seems to make the most "big" plays.  Nwachuku and McNeal look like good receivers.  Swope, McNeal, and Nwachuku are all Sophomores, which is very encouraging for the Ags. 

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What is Holgerson's deal-breaker? That's he's spent two years banging Stillwater co-eds? Or so it has been rumored?

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« Reply #199 on: December 03, 2010, 01:15:33 pm »
and of course the Aggie fan's desire for goats

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« Reply #201 on: December 03, 2010, 02:47:40 pm »
What is Holgerson's deal-breaker? That's he's spent two years banging Stillwater co-eds? Or so it has been rumored?

Dunno, but it's starting to spread that Holgerson is now not the guy.
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« Reply #202 on: December 04, 2010, 02:53:53 pm »
I don't know if anyone cares, or if those who do are already monitoring it in their own fashion, but Recruitocosm says Madden is reassigned and Malzahn is the #1 choice right now.
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« Reply #204 on: December 05, 2010, 09:32:41 pm »
I don't know if anyone cares, or if those who do are already monitoring it in their own fashion, but Recruitocosm says Madden is reassigned and Malzahn is the #1 choice right now.

Malzahn would be an excellent choice.     He's a very creative offensive mind that has had success wherever he has coached.
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Statesman blogs now saying Davis resignation and Tolleson/MacWhoter retirements are official.
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Statesman blogs now saying Davis resignation and Tolleson/MacWhoter retirements are official.

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« Reply #209 on: December 06, 2010, 11:27:15 am »
Jesus Shuttlesworth (and his source) are batting 1.000 so far.

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« Reply #210 on: December 06, 2010, 02:28:26 pm »
Jesus Shuttlesworth (and his source) are batting 1.000 so far.

Now Malzahn is out and it looks to be Harsin.
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Now Malzahn is out and it looks to be Harsin.

I find this difficult to believe.
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« Reply #212 on: December 06, 2010, 02:34:25 pm »
I find this difficult to believe.

Which part?  That Malzhan will have his pick of several HC jobs seems completely reasonable.
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Which part?  That Malzhan will have his pick of several HC jobs seems completely reasonable.

That Harsin is the big splash hire that requires a million dollar plus salary to leave BS for Texas.

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That Harsin is the big splash hire that requires a million dollar plus salary to leave BS for Texas.

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That Harsin is the big splash hire that requires a million dollar plus salary to leave BS for Texas.

Agreed.  Looks like they'll have the money and no one worth taking it all.
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Agreed.  Looks like they'll have the money and no one worth taking it all.

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Or that they've succeeded in getting Shuttlesworth off the scent.

That Mack would look for a "name" to halt recruiting momentum makes sense.
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That Mack would look for a "name" to halt recruiting momentum makes sense.
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I hope they hire that Tulsa OC who is basically a high school coach. I also think Todd Dodge is available.
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I hope they hire that Tulsa OC who is basically a high school coach. I also think Todd Dodge is available.

Malzahn was a HC coach, you know. he used his QB to get his first college job.
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Malzahn was a HC coach, you know. he used his QB to get his first college job.

At least he has had multiple years of offensive success at different D1 programs; that Chad Morris who is supposedly a possibility was coaching Lake Travis this time last year. I can't believe Texas would hire him.

Stanford's previous DC (Ronn Lynn, hired in 2008) was, I believe, running a bar from 2004-2008. Someone who had been actually coaching highschool would've probably been better.
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Malzahn was a HC coach, you know. he used his QB to get his first college job.

This, plus the Cam Newton allegations, have to give Mack significant pause.
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This, plus the Cam Newton allegations, have to give Mack significant pause.

we were recruiting said QB at the time, as you no doubt recall.
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we were recruiting said QB at the time, as you no doubt recall.

Right, but Malzahn didn't get a UT job then.
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« Reply #225 on: December 06, 2010, 03:25:53 pm »
Right, but Malzahn didn't get a UT job then.

no, but the QB's machinations and ultimate destination as a package deal likely can be recalled at Bellmont.
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no, but the QB's machinations and ultimarte destination as a package deal likely can be recalled at Bellmont.

Agreed.

I still think Holgorsen (sp?) makes the most sense, but the rumors are off-field problems there.
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« Reply #227 on: December 06, 2010, 03:42:59 pm »
Agreed.

I still think Holgorsen (sp?) makes the most sense, but the rumors are off-field problems there.

He's also rumored to be headed to Florida.

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He's also rumored to be headed to Florida.

Meyer has said Addazio is staying.  Vote of confidence?  Beats me.
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« Reply #229 on: December 06, 2010, 06:02:23 pm »
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Agreed.

I still think Holgorsen (sp?) makes the most sense, but the rumors are off-field problems there.

I know this sounds crazy, but maybe, just maybe Holgorsen doesn't want to go to UT? Nah, let's instead attack his character with fabricated bullshit and pretend we're not interested in him because of it. (not directed at you MM, but the source of the rumors)
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« Reply #231 on: December 07, 2010, 07:34:59 am »
I know this sounds crazy, but maybe, just maybe Holgorsen doesn't want to go to UT? Nah, let's instead attack his character with fabricated bullshit and pretend we're not interested in him because of it. (not directed at you MM, but the source of the rumors)

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« Reply #232 on: December 07, 2010, 07:50:41 am »
Tolleson was the special teams coach.  Is he behind the rugby punt, or is that Mack?   Didn't seem very effective.

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Tolleson was the special teams coach.  Is he behind the rugby punt, or is that Mack?   Didn't seem very effective.

The bigger issues are the complete inability to return punts, return kicks, or cover kicks
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« Reply #234 on: December 07, 2010, 08:42:54 am »
This year for sure.  They have had some nice years on special teams in the recent past though. 

I agree that the rugby punt isn't a big deal, it just seems emblamatic of a too cute overall philosophy.  It wasn't even a wrinkle, but standard.  Just line up and punt the fucking ball.

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« Reply #235 on: December 07, 2010, 08:46:13 am »
This year for sure.  They have had some nice years on special teams in the recent past.

I don't think he was coaching special teams previously; I thought Akina had done it at their best.
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« Reply #236 on: December 07, 2010, 01:06:12 pm »
I know this sounds crazy, but maybe, just maybe Holgorsen doesn't want to go to UT? Nah, let's instead attack his character with fabricated bullshit and pretend we're not interested in him because of it. (not directed at you MM, but the source of the rumors)

There is plenty of speculation that he doesn't want to go to UT. But the rumors of his party lifestyle didn't start when Texas suddenly had an OC vacancy.

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« Reply #237 on: December 07, 2010, 01:09:42 pm »
There is plenty of speculation that he doesn't want to go to UT. But the rumors of his party lifestyle didn't start when Texas suddenly had an OC vacancy.

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to aggys, they did.

He was the same guy at Tech and UH. 

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He was the same guy at Tech and UH. 

No fair speaking for sensible Aggies.
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No fair speaking for sensible Aggies.

i was typing that, but you are quicker.
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Recruitocosm's summary of problems in the UT program

Nothing earth-shattering, but sad to see the confirmation that the players picked up on Mack's total failure to hold upperclassmen accountable in terms of playing time.
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« Reply #242 on: December 07, 2010, 02:04:14 pm »
Recruitocosm's summary of problems in the UT program

Nothing earth-shattering, but sad to see the confirmation that the players picked up on Mack's total failure to hold upperclassmen accountable in terms of playing time.

i find a lot of what that guy writes almost impossible to believe. if it is true, what was the Head Coach doing for all that time?
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« Reply #243 on: December 07, 2010, 02:07:15 pm »
There is plenty of speculation that he doesn't want to go to UT. But the rumors of his party lifestyle didn't start when Texas suddenly had an OC vacancy.

Oh, I know all about his lifestyle. My comment had more to do with the rumors that he was one of the top candidates, but UT backed off after finding out he was banging co-eds. Poorly thought out comment by me.
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« Reply #244 on: December 07, 2010, 02:09:23 pm »
i find a lot of what that guy writes almost impossible to believe. if it is true, what was the Head Coach doing for all that time?

I don't think he had any clue how to deal with adversity of this degree.
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« Reply #245 on: December 07, 2010, 02:09:26 pm »
No fair speaking for sensible Aggies.

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« Reply #246 on: December 07, 2010, 02:13:51 pm »
I don't think he had any clue how to deal with adversity of this degree.

then he is part of the problem, which i have thought all along.
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« Reply #247 on: December 07, 2010, 02:15:08 pm »
then he is part of the problem, which i have thought all along.

I'm not disagreeing.  But he made the necessary changes in 2007 on one side.  I'm hoping the same gets done now.
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« Reply #248 on: December 07, 2010, 02:21:56 pm »
then he is part of the problem, which i have thought all along.

In 2010 I think he was absolutely part of the problem. Complacency and laziness don't usually filter up from the bottom.

If he approaches 2011 with a "fresh start" attitude I don't see why Texas can't get back to 10-win potential. If he's taking the petulant child approach because he had to cut dead weight then it may be a very long season.

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« Reply #249 on: December 07, 2010, 02:25:08 pm »
In 2010 I think he was absolutely part of the problem. Complacency and laziness don't usually filter up from the bottom.


i totally agree. i think the entire program and staff were fat, complacent and feeling entitled. teams take on the personality of the coach, not the other way around.
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« Reply #250 on: December 07, 2010, 02:32:09 pm »
i think the entire program and staff were fat, complacent and feeling entitled.

They certainly played that way.  What makes me think that Mack didn't know how to deal with it is that it never changed.

Not after UCLA.
Not after Baylor.
Not after Iowa State.

Against any supposedly inferior team, they showed all the passion of a drive-thru burgerslinger at the end of a 10 hour shift.  They actually showed up against OU, NU, OSU, and A&M.  Those were all better teams.
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« Reply #251 on: December 07, 2010, 07:52:38 pm »
So Harsin seems like the most logical choice, right?

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Madden was 1 or 1A on my personal hit list. McWhorter was the other. the OL was the biggest problem, imo.
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« Reply #255 on: December 08, 2010, 09:41:47 am »
Madden was 1 or 1A on my personal hit list. McWhorter was the other. the OL was the biggest problem, imo.

Those were my top two as well.  The OL play had become an embarrasment.
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« Reply #256 on: December 08, 2010, 09:55:53 am »
Recruitocosm's summary of problems in the UT program

Nothing earth-shattering, but sad to see the confirmation that the players picked up on Mack's total failure to hold upperclassmen accountable in terms of playing time.

Totally earth shattering.  Is the inference that Mack allowed all this to happen so that he could blow up the staff?  That's almost believable given some of the head scratching decisions that were made.  Leaving a young QB in a game with 5 picks,  not putting a tight end or fullback in to help a right tackle obviously incapable of effective pass blocking etc.

I think a change with the S&C program will provide real change…attitude, conditioning, entitlement, chemistry, etc.  I believe real teams are made via this process….

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Is the inference that Mack allowed all this to happen so that he could blow up the staff?  That's almost believable given some of the head scratching decisions that were made.

I would never believe that.  He has kept GD throughout.  He would have never intentionally sold him down the river.

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I continue to believe they were covering for another reason that they wouldn't put Case in a game.  And TE/FB basically doesn't exist on this roster.  To the extent they do, they are just as incapable as Mitchell.


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« Reply #258 on: December 08, 2010, 10:23:35 am »
Don't forget that most of the Recruitocosm article about the implosion of the team is based on conversations with players.
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Don't forget that most of the Recruitocosm article about the implosion of the team is based on conversations with players.

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or total bs.

They've been awfully accurate thus far to just be spitballing.
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« Reply #261 on: December 08, 2010, 10:48:34 am »
They've been awfully accurate thus far to just be spitballing.

Yes, because most of the other stuff has been based on multiple sources with different angles. This is pretty much a reflection of how some players felt and I think you have to keep that in mind when you consider it. I have a hard time believing that Davis didn't create a game plan for A&M and that it would get past Mack, but I can certainly believe there were disgruntled players mouthing off that it was so.
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« Reply #262 on: December 08, 2010, 10:50:31 am »
Jesus Shuttlesworth is also very plugged in to James Sexton so that spin has to be considered too.
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« Reply #265 on: December 08, 2010, 11:16:23 am »
if so, Mack Brown should go too.

I go back to the Regents and the big donors... I can't imagine approving up to $1M to end up with Major.
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« Reply #266 on: December 08, 2010, 11:18:12 am »
I go back to the Regents and the big donors... I can't imagine approving up to $1M to end up with Major.

it would be like Mackovic appointing Bobby Jack Wright to be DC.
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« Reply #267 on: December 08, 2010, 11:21:26 am »
it would be like Mackovic appointing Bobby Jack Wright to be DC.

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« Reply #268 on: December 08, 2010, 12:08:48 pm »
Major has a lot of supporters making compelling cases that he would be a solid choice. 
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« Reply #269 on: December 08, 2010, 12:10:46 pm »
if so, Mack Brown should go too.

Doesn't Muschamp want Applewhite as OC too?  Maybe that has something to do with it.

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« Reply #270 on: December 08, 2010, 12:53:28 pm »
Major has a lot of supporters making compelling cases that he would be a solid choice.  

bullshit. it is the Applewhite Cult taken to an extreme. he never lost a game at UT, you know.
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« Reply #271 on: December 08, 2010, 12:55:37 pm »
Doesn't Muschamp want Applewhite as OC too?  Maybe that has something to do with it.

how would i know what Muschamp wants? no one else outside Bellmont does either.
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« Reply #272 on: December 08, 2010, 01:05:44 pm »
bullshit. it is the Applewhite Cult taken to an extreme. he never lost a game at UT, you know.

Indeed.  I'm a big time Major fan, and you'll note that even I have been saying that he needs some more time if they are to groom him for the job.

One of the inevitable downsides of a Major promotion would be the landslide of horrible "when will Simms take his job?" jokes.

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« Reply #273 on: December 08, 2010, 01:09:18 pm »
Indeed.  I'm a big time Major fan, and you'll note that even I have been saying that he needs some more time if they are to groom him for the job.

One of the inevitable downsides of a Major promotion would be the landslide of horrible "when will Simms take his job?" jokes.

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« Reply #274 on: December 08, 2010, 01:13:16 pm »
Why does he need more time?

I think he needs more and better guidance on playcalling, recruiting at other positions (esp. OL), and selecting position coaches.  He's had, what, two seasons as an OC?  One of them was at Alabama - which was, by all accounts, OC in name only, as Saban ran everything - and one at Rice.
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« Reply #275 on: December 08, 2010, 01:19:56 pm »
I think he needs more and better guidance on playcalling, recruiting at other positions (esp. OL), and selecting position coaches.  He's had, what, two seasons as an OC?  One of them was at Alabama - which was, by all accounts, OC in name only, as Saban ran everything - and one at Rice.

and at Rice, the HC was just as involved in the offense as he was.

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« Reply #276 on: December 08, 2010, 01:25:23 pm »
and at Rice, the HC was just as involved in the offense as he was.

it is a ridiculous idea.

Is the feeling that he'd be a better play caller than he is a position coach?  I know the players play, and talent rules, but the RBs don't strike me as particularly well prepared.

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« Reply #277 on: December 08, 2010, 01:27:48 pm »
Is the feeling that he'd be a better play caller than he is a position coach?  I know the players play, and talent rules, but the RBs don't strike me as particularly well prepared.

mediocre talent there at best. i do not blame him for that, necessarily, unless he made the recruiting decisions concerning which RBs to get. he still will have to coach a position.
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« Reply #278 on: December 08, 2010, 01:28:09 pm »
Is the feeling that he'd be a better play caller than he is a position coach?  I know the players play, and talent rules, but the RBs don't strike me as particularly well prepared.

I think they're actually very well prepared - they're not talented.  And the Major defenders would argue (I don't know how correctly) that Major hasn't been allowed the call on which RB's to take (example - Mack insisting on Chris Whaley over Christine Michael).
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« Reply #279 on: December 08, 2010, 01:28:37 pm »
mediocre talent there at best. i do not blame him for that, necessarily, unless he made the recruiting decisions concerning which RBs to get. he still will have to coach a position.

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mediocre talent there at best. i do not blame him for that, necessarily, unless he made the recruiting decisions concerning which RBs to get. he still will have to coach a position.

Point taken.

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a classic:

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10:49 AM Wake up to the sound of answering machine and the caller laughing,"I'm not sure I'm going to name the defense as your message requests, but I did want to say that we've decided to hire another candidate. You are very...umm..enthusiastic. Good luck!" As the caller hangs up, you hear others in the background giggling. Your eyes squint and your lip curls. [censored]! Clearly Simms fans! No wonder they smiled at each other when you showed up at the interview in a #11 jersey and blazer.

10:56 It occurs to you that The Burnt Orange Hitman Posse would be an excellent name for the defense. Scramble for thick pencil and Big Red Indian Chief notebook to write it down. Can't find blank page as pages are filled with Applewhite essays, heart symbols, the phrase MAJOR 4EVER and the adjectives GUTTY, DETERMINED, HEADY and WINNER written over and over with your calligraphy kit. Reread essay entitled "What Major has taught me about love" and reflect on its final line...."Wherever puppies lick jowls, wherever sunflowers grow on windy dales, wherever people will help a stranger......Major will be there."

11:02 AM Morning weeping is finished. Touch Applewhite poster over bed and light candle while assuming a meditation position. You mumble a silent prayer and beg God to end his testing of Major. And for Chris Simms to have a serious industrial accident involving pipe fittings.

11:59 AM Log on to internet. Weave through [censored] analysis and threads about the team. Analysis, facts, analysis, [censored]....it all makes your head hurt. Decide Applewhite post is needed and write the following:

Our offense is joking! Joke! Joke! Look no farther than Chris Sims who is logging into recaveers and has thrown almost five intercepts. I guess it is because we do not want to win.... Other things:

Nathan Vasher is a HORRIBLE punt returner. Hello!? Catch it or whatever.

Our WR's will not catch the ball because Sims throws to hard and it hurts them! I know this because kids used to hum balls at me when I'd loiter to close to the football players in high school wanting to decorate their lockers.

Major's posture was amazing. I was screaming,"Major! Major!" hysterically all game and when he came in his karisma (korisma?) was amazing. He surveyed the field like General Charles De Gaulle or someone.

Hello!?!? Anyone else notice that Redding is a LBer now? I called this two years ago.

Babers. Get him off of the field. He has been embbarasing since the A&M game (which I also pointed out) and is small and slow. I mean, please.

12:56 PM Log back on to post and gauge responses. There are three Aggies and Sooners agreeing with you calling Chris "Chrissy." This is hilarious to you! You roll on the ground laughing. Two Longhorns with extremely exuberant posting names (HornsRockBaby & ChrisRobertsonShould StartBitch!) agree with you. Several Horn fans are calling you a douchebag. This hurts you. How could someone attack a fellow Horn? Aren't we all on the same team? These are the kind of people who talk about the OU game when we should be concentrating on Houston!

1:43 PM Go to South Congress to distribute Applewhite Literature. Ask people,"Have you heard the Good News of Applewhite?" Most people walk quickly away, but a handful of people stay and listen. The people that stay reek of alcohol and take your watch after choking you for a while.

2:08 PM Write the Republic of Suriname and inquire as to the feasibility of purchasing land for a commune. Surinamese officials have thus far ignored requests. Consider coloring in Suriname on world map in blue denoting a Simms controlled sphere of influence.

3:39 PM Watch Applewhite tape. '99 Stanford. Again and agan. Watch Arkansas Cotton Bowl and '00 Tech game to see if you can actually see where Simms fires the pistol at Applewhite's knee. HornsRockBaby told you this on private messages.

4:05PM Log back onto Hornfans. [censored] all over several threads which are trying to discuss Derrick Johnson, the running game or Greg Davis.

4:59 Clip pictures of Applewhite and paste them onto Leo DiCaprio and Justin Timberlake's body in Tiger Beat magazine. Feel all funny inside. Walk into bathroom with jar of Helmann's.

7:26 PM Emerge from bathroom whistling and sweating.

8:42 PM Write British consulate asking that Applewhite be knighted. Receive immediate reply! It asks if Major Applewhite fought in the Royal Grenardiers at the siege of Khartoum and what his first name was. Write back telling the Limeys to go [censored] themselves. Add Britain to Simms sphere of influence on world map.

9:07 PM More sobbing.

9:28 PM Sobbing, but now also muttering. Now in fetal position.

9:48 PM Listen to Cheap Trick song "Love Hurts" over and over on your jambox. God, that's exactly what it's like. Cheap Trick is so wise.

10:27 PM Watch Fox Sports newscast. No mention of Applewhite. What a joke!

10:45PM Watch Lifetime channel movie Not Without My Mommy: The True Story of Bessie Silverstein.

Inspired, you begin work on a script for the Major Applewhite story. Begins with opening scene of Chris Simms selling his soul to Lucifer while Applewhite leads Texas to the 1998 National Championship. Script ends with Applewhite walking into factory where you work, picking you up in your babushka and heavy work boots and carrying you out while Chris Simms claps and says,"Way to go Mikey.....way to go."

Place Big Red Chief spiral with completed script in a mailbox addressed to Who It May Concern in Hollywood.

1:43 AM Start making list of how society has wronged you.

1:58 AM Go to bed. Place painted beer carton helmet on head while avoiding dental halo.

Rustle legs under blankets causing static sparks and pretend that you have superpowers.

Sleep Dream of Major. Always.

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« Reply #283 on: December 08, 2010, 03:44:56 pm »
Here's the latest from Recruitocosm.
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Here's the latest from Recruitocosm.
They've shifted from reporting from sources to pure wild-ass speculation.
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« Reply #285 on: December 08, 2010, 03:50:19 pm »
They've shifted from reporting from sources to pure wild-ass speculation.

i think it is possible it is a smokescreen.
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« Reply #286 on: December 08, 2010, 04:00:30 pm »
They've shifted from reporting from sources to pure wild-ass speculation.

I'm pretty sure that no one is leaking any information at all right now; this is a good old-fashioned game of 'connect the dots.'
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« Reply #287 on: December 08, 2010, 04:18:05 pm »
I'm pretty sure that no one is leaking any information at all right now; this is a good old-fashioned game of 'connect the dots.'

i think it may be exactly the opposite. i think it may be deliberate leaks to mislead.
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« Reply #288 on: December 08, 2010, 04:21:38 pm »
i think it may be exactly the opposite. i think it may be deliberate leaks to mislead.

I think that's definitely possible. I mean 'connect-the-dots' as in that's what we're all left with in trying to figure this one out, there's no real info being leaked just yet. We're all just trying to guess by looking at everything else.
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« Reply #289 on: December 09, 2010, 09:53:10 am »
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« Reply #290 on: December 09, 2010, 09:55:19 am »
i believe this stuff is BS being put out as a smokescreen.
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« Reply #291 on: December 09, 2010, 09:59:14 am »
i believe this stuff is BS being put out as a smokescreen.

I agree. I think it's a little too obvious.
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« Reply #292 on: December 09, 2010, 10:00:43 am »
I agree. I think it's a little too obvious.

if the Major stuff happens, it smacks of a palace coup by Muschamp and Applewhite.
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« Reply #293 on: December 09, 2010, 10:03:11 am »
i believe this stuff is BS being put out as a smokescreen.

BTW I meant to ask you yesterday: are you against Applewhite as OC because you think he would make a bad OC or because he doesn't have enough experience yet?

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« Reply #294 on: December 09, 2010, 10:06:29 am »
if the Major stuff happens, it smacks of a palace coup by Muschamp and Applewhite.

It does, and I can't see that making sense at all unless Mack is retiring and wants to hit some date on the calendar first.
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« Reply #295 on: December 09, 2010, 10:14:49 am »
BTW I meant to ask you yesterday: are you against Applewhite as OC because you think he would make a bad OC or because he doesn't have enough experience yet?

the latter, although i have no idea how good he would be.

i also know that while he was a player, he was a prick who many on the team did not like. i still look at him somewhat in that way.
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« Reply #296 on: December 09, 2010, 10:33:57 am »
i also know that while he was a player, he was a prick who many on the team did not like. i still look at him somewhat in that way.

Opie?!  I would never have guessed that.  Those supporting him for OC have been repeatedly stating how much he is loved by the recruits and players
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« Reply #297 on: December 09, 2010, 10:36:43 am »
Opie?!  I would never have guessed that.  Those supporting him for OC have been repeatedly stating how much he is loved by the recruits and players

just telling you what i know. the players sent an emissary to MB to tell him they were not Major's team.

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i also know that while he was a player, he was a prick who many on the team did not like.

Hadn't heard that.

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« Reply #299 on: December 09, 2010, 11:05:47 am »
Hadn't heard that.

Just one of many reasons Chris Simms gets a bad rap.  I think Chris made poor reads at game speed, but otherwise, I think he was a hell of a kid who got a riddiclous "Chrissy" label from Internet Tough Guys who could never handle 1% of the shit he did.
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« Reply #300 on: December 09, 2010, 11:09:38 am »
Just one of many reasons Chris Simms gets a bad rap.  I think Chris made poor reads at game speed, but otherwise, I think he was a hell of a kid who got a riddiclous "Chrissy" label from Internet Tough Guys who could never handle 1% of the shit he did.

His skill set was astonishing. So was Gilbert's, coming out of HS. There are so many things that can go wrong along the way.
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« Reply #301 on: December 09, 2010, 11:29:25 am »
the latter, although i have no idea how good he would be.

i also know that while he was a player, he was a prick who many on the team did not like. i still look at him somewhat in that way.

See, people keep knocking Major's experience, but he has been the OC at two D-1 schools now and has been coaching since he graduated.

Harsin, who seems to be the favorite if it isn't Applewhite, is only 2 years older than Major.  It's not like any of the options are legendary offensive geniuses.

For the record, I'm not pro or anti Applewhite. 

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« Reply #302 on: December 09, 2010, 11:41:23 am »
See, people keep knocking Major's experience, but he has been the OC at two D-1 schools now and has been coaching since he graduated.

He was the OC in Alabama in name only. 

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« Reply #303 on: December 09, 2010, 11:48:29 am »
He was the OC in Alabama in name only. 

Where does this come from?  I've seen several comments that this is a myth, and nothing collaborating its validity.
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« Reply #304 on: December 09, 2010, 11:48:42 am »
His skill set was astonishing. So was Gilbert's, coming out of HS. There are so many things that can go wrong along the way.

Having no dog in the fight, i never udnersrtood the venom towards Simms (and subsequent god status of Major), thought he was a pretty good college QB.  his W-L record is superior to Major's, is it not?

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« Reply #305 on: December 09, 2010, 11:50:25 am »
Where does this come from?  I've seen several comments that this is a myth, and nothing collaborating its validity.

Well, Saban runs the offense and has at every stop in his career.  Major didn't call plays in Alabama, and that was the main reason he was willing to leave his OC post to be the running backs coach at Texas. That, and Saban's general douchiness.

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« Reply #306 on: December 09, 2010, 11:54:46 am »
See, people keep knocking Major's experience, but he has been the OC at two D-1 schools now and has been coaching since he graduated.

Harsin, who seems to be the favorite if it isn't Applewhite, is only 2 years older than Major.  It's not like any of the options are legendary offensive geniuses.

For the record, I'm not pro or anti Applewhite. 

I'm with Coach, I think this is smoke while negotiations go on elsewhere. The situations in Florida and Miami and their ripple effect may have a lot to do with how things shake out for a Texas OC.

Applewhite might be the Next Big Thing, but he hasn't demonstrated that yet, IMO, to be crowned at Texas. Mack has consistently overruled his player evaluations - if he won't trust him to make decisions on who to offer, why would he trust him to run his offense? There are too many interlocking parts here that don't seem to fit together.
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« Reply #307 on: December 09, 2010, 11:55:54 am »
Well, Saban runs the offense and has at every stop in his career.  Major didn't call plays in Alabama, and that was the main reason he was willing to leave his OC post to be the running backs coach at Texas. That, and Saban's general douchiness.

This guy disagrees, fwiw
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« Reply #308 on: December 09, 2010, 11:56:38 am »
I thought Saban as a defensive guy?
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« Reply #309 on: December 09, 2010, 11:57:09 am »
Having no dog in the fight, i never udnersrtood the venom towards Simms (and subsequent god status of Major), thought he was a pretty good college QB.  his W-L record is superior to Major's, is it not?

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« Reply #310 on: December 09, 2010, 12:02:43 pm »
This guy disagrees, fwiw

What I remember is that Major called the plays, but the scheme and preparation was all Saban, and toward the end of the season Major's reins were tightened significantly. I have no proof of this, just remembering what was said when Major was brought back to Texas.

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If it goes into next week and past Tuesday of next week, then we expect the search to go beyond the first round of pre-Christmas bowl games.

There would be no reason to delay a decision announcing Applewhite later than Tuesday of next week if he is the choice by Brown.

Again, the reason we are calling this the “play-caller” position and not the “offensive coordinator” role is because we feel that there ultimately may be co-coordinators named on the offensive side of the ball to attract better coaches with the allure of more money and better titles.

Something we’ve maintained from the very start and still believe to be true, Mack Brown wants to bring in the very best coaches he can. And that means he has to find creative ways to give them better titles that puts the coaches’ career paths on a higher trajectory.

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« Reply #311 on: December 09, 2010, 12:10:03 pm »
I thought Saban as a defensive guy?

Yep. he focuses a lot on the DB's. Incredible technique guy. I learned a lot about cover technique that I'd never heard before (not from Arnsparger or any of his defensive guys) from one talk by Saban.
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« Reply #312 on: December 09, 2010, 12:23:23 pm »
Where does this come from?  I've seen several comments that this is a myth, and nothing collaborating its validity.

it is NOT a myth. it was widely reported to be the reason he left Alabama. he had no control whatsoever--only a title.

you are outing yourself as a Cultist.
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« Reply #313 on: December 09, 2010, 12:26:28 pm »
This guy disagrees, fwiw

well, that is hilarious. his former Rivals website was one of the sources on why Major was willing to take a huge step down to come to UT. there was mutual dissatisfaction between Applewhite and Saban.
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« Reply #314 on: December 09, 2010, 12:41:59 pm »
Yep. he focuses a lot on the DB's. Incredible technique guy. I learned a lot about cover technique that I'd never heard before (not from Arnsparger or any of his defensive guys) from one talk by Saban.

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what the hell happened to K. Jackson?

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« Reply #316 on: December 09, 2010, 12:54:31 pm »
it is NOT a myth. it was widely reported to be the reason he left Alabama. he had no control whatsoever--only a title.

Widely reported?  Where?

you are outing yourself as a Cultist.

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« Reply #317 on: December 09, 2010, 12:57:09 pm »
I believe that it'll shake out this way, a name co-coordinator will be brought on board.
 
How much of this co-coordinator and HCIW crap can a program handle.   What's wrong with a real hierarchy and clear lines of accountability?  Seems to create fertile ground for internal squabbles.  

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« Reply #318 on: December 09, 2010, 12:58:37 pm »
Widely reported?  Where?

Seriously?  What the fuck is wrong with you?  This is a simple conversation and you insert yourself as an insufferable prick, yet again, making this have something to do with me.  With all due respect, go fuck yourself.  With all due respect.


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« Reply #319 on: December 09, 2010, 01:00:17 pm »
What I remember is that Major called the plays, but the scheme and preparation was all Saban, and toward the end of the season Major's reins were tightened significantly. I have no proof of this, just remembering what was said when Major was brought back to Texas.

I believe that it'll shake out this way, a name co-coordinator will be brought on board.

i do not believe that co-coordinators will work. someone must be in charge.
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How much of this co-coordinator and HCIW crap can a program handle.   What's wrong with a real hierarchy and clear lines of accountability?  Seems to create fertile ground for internal squabbles.  

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« Reply #321 on: December 09, 2010, 02:04:19 pm »
MONSTER EGOS.

This is part of an assumption I'm making about what happened to Texas in 2010.  With that current situation, it seems it would be ripe for Pro-Mack and Pro-Musschamp camps to form.  I'm guessing that factions can live peacefully together until there's conflict or adversity. 

Again, just a guess on my part, but it would explain quite a bit.

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There is plenty of speculation that he [Holgorsen] doesn't want to go to UT. But the rumors of his party lifestyle didn't start when Texas suddenly had an OC vacancy.

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