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Behavior in a restaurant that really chaps my ass...
« on: July 18, 2010, 11:17:05 pm »
This is my response to the next waiter who comes to the table, sits down and says "what can I get for you?"...

"The first thing you can get is your ass up from my dinner table.  I don't recall inviting you to join us."

Seriously...since when did it become appropriate for the waiter to sit down at the table with the guests?  His job is to take my order and bring me my fucking food, not sit in on my dinner party. 
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« Reply #1 on: July 18, 2010, 11:33:33 pm »
This is my response to the next waiter who comes to the table, sits down and says "what can I get for you?"...

"The first thing you can get is your ass up from my dinner table.  I don't recall inviting you to join us."


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« Reply #2 on: July 19, 2010, 06:35:04 am »
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« Reply #3 on: July 19, 2010, 07:10:18 am »
I've had some pretty intrusive wait persons before, but that is crossing the line. It's in a small way a bit creepy too.  "Last person to sit at  the table pays," that's very the least of how I might respond to that kind of bullshit. Depending who I might be dining with, I might escalate my response to "get the fuck up and get me a professional wait person." Or just leave because, I'm always afraid if I make a scene in a restaurant before I get my food, I run the risk that they'll do something passive aggressive, like fart over my food, or worse.
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« Reply #4 on: July 19, 2010, 08:16:08 am »
Where were you?

Yesterday I was at Chiles...which I know isn't fine dining, but that doesn't matter.  It happened last weekend with my wife and I, I forgot where we were, some other casual place. 
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« Reply #5 on: July 19, 2010, 08:19:22 am »
"Last person to sit at  the table pays," that's very the least of how I might respond to that kind of bullshit.

I seriously thought about leaving just enough to cover the bill and a note that read "since you decided to join me for dinner, I thought the least you could do was cover the tip."

Next time I think I'm just going to say "what the fuck do you think you're doing?"
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« Reply #6 on: July 19, 2010, 08:24:44 am »
Yesterday I was at Chiles...which I know isn't fine dining, but that doesn't matter.  It happened last weekend with my wife and I, I forgot where we were, some other casual place. 

This is pretty common for the Chili's, TGI Friday's, Ruby Tuesday's world.  Remember the guy from Chotchkie's in Office Space?  That guy is bred for those types of eateries.

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« Reply #7 on: July 19, 2010, 08:29:51 am »
This is pretty common for the Chili's, TGI Friday's, Ruby Tuesday's world.  Remember the guy from Chotchkie's in Office Space?  That guy is bred for those types of eateries.

Well, it's a new phenomenon, and it's appalling.  I waited tables at casual restaurants and would have never dreamed of behaving in such a manner.  The waiter has one job...to bring me my food.  Under no circumstances is he welcome to sit down and join me.
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« Reply #8 on: July 19, 2010, 08:48:20 am »
I haven't encountered this but it would piss me off too. Why not mention it to the manager though?

The restaurant behavior that gets to me is the kind where they ask if I want sweet or unsweet tea.
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« Reply #9 on: July 19, 2010, 08:52:50 am »
Well, it's a new phenomenon, and it's appalling.  I waited tables at casual restaurants and would have never dreamed of behaving in such a manner.  The waiter has one job...to bring me my food.  Under no circumstances is he welcome to sit down and join me.

I'm not disagreeing with you, except it's not new.  The first time I saw it was in high school at a Bennigan's.  It was common enough that I had it happen at least a few times since then, and it was usually based on the relative attractiveness of the dining companion. 

Since we've had kids and no one wants to have sexy time with either of us, it had become less of an issue.

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« Reply #10 on: July 19, 2010, 08:54:08 am »
I haven't encountered this but it would piss me off too. Why not mention it to the manager though?

The restaurant behavior that gets to me is the kind where they ask if I want sweet or unsweet tea.

At least they ask. 

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« Reply #11 on: July 19, 2010, 08:57:47 am »
I'm not sure that asking lessens my chappyness.
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« Reply #12 on: July 19, 2010, 09:02:31 am »
I haven't encountered this but it would piss me off too. Why not mention it to the manager though?

The restaurant behavior that gets to me is the kind where they ask if I want sweet or unsweet tea.

Would the appropriate question be "tea or sweet tea?"

This wouldn't make the top ten of my issues in restaurants.

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« Reply #13 on: July 19, 2010, 09:04:06 am »
Another issue that I've seen a lot of recently, and I know it's pretty much S.O.P. for a nicer joint, but if you're going to take the time to tell me what the daily specials are, at least give me some indication of how much they cost.  I'd love to be the guy who can afford to get the surf and turf every time I go out, but that just ain't me.  And if you don't tell me how much the seared amberjack costs, I'm going to assume that it's five grand, and just get the damned scallops, because I know how much they cost.

Or print a daily menu, which is even better because I don't have to talk to the wait staff in order to make a decision.
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« Reply #14 on: July 19, 2010, 09:11:02 am »
Andy: yes.

I guess I just don't go to places where I am greeted with a lot of ill-defined specials or overly familiar waiters. I count myself as fortunate in that.
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« Reply #15 on: July 19, 2010, 09:24:08 am »
I'm not disagreeing with you, except it's not new.  The first time I saw it was in high school at a Bennigan's.  It was common enough that I had it happen at least a few times since then, and it was usually based on the relative attractiveness of the dining companion. 

I waited tables at Bennigan's (the one on 59/Kirby), probably when you were in high school, and would have been gobsmacked at the thought of a waiter sitting down at the table.  If the manager found out, it likely would have been our last night working at Bennigan's.

At any rate, I don't care if it's Whataburger, the waiter has no business inserting himself at the table.

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Since we've had kids and no one wants to have sexy time with either of us, it had become less of an issue.

Apparently, the want of having sexy time with the guest does not matter.  Witness: me.
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« Reply #16 on: July 19, 2010, 09:25:08 am »
The restaurant behavior that gets to me is the kind where they ask if I want sweet or unsweet tea.

I'm guess I don't get your anger.  You'd rather they just guess at what you want?
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« Reply #17 on: July 19, 2010, 09:26:08 am »
Would the appropriate question be "tea or sweet tea?"

Actually, the proper choices are "regular" or "unsweet" tea.
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« Reply #18 on: July 19, 2010, 09:26:57 am »
I waited tables at Bennigan's (the one on 59/Kirby), probably when you were in high school, and would have been gobsmacked at the thought of a waiter sitting down at the table.  If the manager found out, it likely would have been our last night working at Bennigan's.


It was those damn bohemians at the 290/Mangum location.  On the other hand, sometimes, 17 year olds could get served, so you'd put up with quite a bit.

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« Reply #19 on: July 19, 2010, 09:28:51 am »
This wouldn't make the top ten of my issues in restaurants.

Most of my issues are not with the restaurant itself.  Sure somethings annoy me...like when they ask you to cut into your steak and see if it's done the way you want it (I believe it was Limey who said next time he's going to cut into it and say "peferct...make mine just like that"), but my biggest gripes are with other guests.  The lack of common table manners today is appalling. 
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« Reply #20 on: July 19, 2010, 09:29:48 am »
No, it's the growing use of the created word 'unsweet.' Tea is tea. Adding sweetener to it makes it sweet tea. Calling tea unsweet tea reinforces to me the decline of education and the impending idiocracy. Pisses me off. But it's not like a waiter sitting down to be all folksy with me.
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« Reply #21 on: July 19, 2010, 09:33:13 am »
No, it's the growing use of the created word 'unsweet.' Tea is tea. Adding sweetener to it makes it sweet tea. Calling tea unsweet tea reinforces to me the decline of education and the impending idiocracy. Pisses me off. But it's not like a waiter sitting down to be all folksy with me.

And leaving out the sweetner makes it "unsweet tea".  I'm not sure how offering both makes one uneducated.  Futhermore, if a restaurant offers both, I guess I don't understand why you wouldn't want them to bring you the style you prefer.
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« Reply #22 on: July 19, 2010, 09:34:32 am »
And leaving out the sweetner makes it "unsweet tea".  I'm not sure how offering both makes one uneducated.  Futhermore, if a restaurant offers both, I guess I don't understand why you wouldn't want them to bring you the style you prefer.

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« Reply #23 on: July 19, 2010, 09:39:03 am »
Let's just save some typing.

I didn't remember that conversation.  But I did like the notion that removing the sugar from gasoline makes it unleaded.
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« Reply #24 on: July 19, 2010, 09:39:38 am »
No, leaving out the sweetener makes it tea. If I want tea, I'll ask for it. If I want sweet tea, I'll ask for that. It's simple. No reason to make up a word and attach it to something. No reason to be redundant either.
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« Reply #25 on: July 19, 2010, 09:48:08 am »
No, leaving out the sweetener makes it tea. If I want tea, I'll ask for it. If I want sweet tea, I'll ask for that. It's simple. No reason to make up a word and attach it to something. No reason to be redundant either.

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« Reply #26 on: July 19, 2010, 09:48:49 am »
No, leaving out the sweetener makes it tea. If I want tea, I'll ask for it. If I want sweet tea, I'll ask for that. It's simple. No reason to make up a word and attach it to something. No reason to be redundant either.

Tea are the leaves of the Camellia sinensis plant.  Would you be happy if they brought you a bowl full of leaves?  "Tea", the beverage, can be any number of leachate derived connoctions, which may or may not include sugar in its preparation, depending on local custom.  In some parts of the world "tea" is brewed using sugar.  There is no single one definition for how "tea", the beverage, is brewed.
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« Reply #27 on: July 19, 2010, 09:49:17 am »
Yeah. It's a water heater. It's not complicated.
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« Reply #28 on: July 19, 2010, 09:50:37 am »
I've learned today that Ron Brand is neurotic, obsessive and possibly a little dangerous. Just like everyone else. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to get back to drinking my unsweet coffee.
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« Reply #29 on: July 19, 2010, 09:52:03 am »
I've learned today that Ron Brand is neurotic, obsessive and possibly a little dangerous. Just like everyone else. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to get back to drinking my unsweet coffee.

For God's sake, don't ask me how I want my coffee.  Coffee is coffee...if I want something other than coffee, I'll ask for it!
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« Reply #30 on: July 19, 2010, 09:53:49 am »
For God's sake, don't ask me how I want my coffee. 

You take it black?
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« Reply #31 on: July 19, 2010, 09:54:28 am »
No, tea is tea leaves brewed in water. It can be served in a variety of ways, all of which add a modifier - iced, hot, sweet, with milk, etc. Unsweet is a made-up redundancy which both adds and subtracts a modifier unnecessarily.
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« Reply #32 on: July 19, 2010, 09:58:19 am »
No, tea is tea leaves brewed in water.

And in some places, that includes the addition of sugar.

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It can be served in a variety of ways, all of which add a modifier - iced, hot, sweet, with milk, etc. Unsweet is a made-up redundancy which both adds and subtracts a modifier unnecessarily.

No, because in some places tea, by convention, is brewed sweet.  If you want it unsweetened, you have to ask for it that way.
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« Reply #33 on: July 19, 2010, 09:59:57 am »
I feel an aneurysm coming on.
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« Reply #34 on: July 19, 2010, 10:00:15 am »
You take it black?
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"Black" is redunant and unnecessary, apparently.  No need to qualify how you drink your coffee.
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« Reply #35 on: July 19, 2010, 10:00:45 am »
I feel an aneurysm coming on.

Pehaps a hot cup of unsweetened tea would help.
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« Reply #36 on: July 19, 2010, 10:03:06 am »
Tea, dammit! I said TEA!

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« Reply #37 on: July 19, 2010, 10:03:33 am »
I feel an aneurysm coming on.

If it helps, I was just kidding before. I take sugar in my coffee.
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« Reply #38 on: July 19, 2010, 10:04:31 am »
If it helps, I was just kidding before. I take sugar in my coffee.

So you don't take your men black?
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« Reply #39 on: July 19, 2010, 10:05:15 am »
Yesterday I was at Chiles... 

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« Reply #40 on: July 19, 2010, 10:05:27 am »
So what the hell is a "dilly-do?"
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« Reply #41 on: July 19, 2010, 10:05:29 am »
Just unsweet.
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« Reply #42 on: July 19, 2010, 10:06:50 am »
You guys might want to relax a little bit and enjoy your meal otherwise you'll probably end up with indigestion.
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« Reply #43 on: July 19, 2010, 10:07:00 am »
Tea, dammit! I said TEA!

Aaaaaaaaghhhh...

You'd have gone nuts living in North Carolina.  They feel the same way as you...tea is tea.  Period....no need to add the modifier "sweet".  It's redundant and unnecessary. 
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« Reply #44 on: July 19, 2010, 10:07:50 am »
Yeah, that's gonna be your problem right there.

I really like the grilled chicken sandwhich there.  Perhaps that makes me a bad person.
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« Reply #45 on: July 19, 2010, 10:09:54 am »
HH, you're probably right. I don't know how much of it is growing up in Texas and how much is just my chosen path of assholism.

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« Reply #46 on: July 19, 2010, 10:12:31 am »
I really like the grilled chicken sandwhich there.  Perhaps that makes me a bad person.

The only way that could make you a bad person is if you order that sandwich with the expectation that it will be prepared and delivered with professional competency.
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« Reply #47 on: July 19, 2010, 10:19:04 am »
HH, you're probably right. I don't know how much of it is growing up in Texas and how much is just my chosen path of assholism.

Ok, maybe most of it is the chosen path.

Speaking of growing up in Texas and poor restaurant etiquette...Texans seem to be the worst offenders of my biggest restaurant pet peeve:  men who wear a hat at the table.  It's bad enough that you kept in on once you walked inside, but to leave it on while food is on the table?  Only Alkie and Todd the Bod are allowed wear a hat at the table.  
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« Reply #48 on: July 19, 2010, 10:20:21 am »
Speaking of growing up in Texas and poor restaurant etiquette...Texans seem to be the worst offenders of my biggest restaurant pet peeve:  men who wear a hat at the table.  It's bad enough that you kept in on once you walked inside, but to leave it on while food is on the table?  Only Alkie and Todd the Bod are allowed wear a had at the table. 

Yeah, that's one of those "only in Texas" things.  It would drive my Mississippi raised grandma crazy.
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« Reply #49 on: July 19, 2010, 10:23:06 am »
Yeah, that's one of those "only in Texas" things.  It would drive my Mississippi raised grandma crazy.

It drives anyone with common manners crazy.  Seriously...your'e at the table...take your fucking hat off.  How hard is that?  My momma would have kicked my ass for wearing a hat in the house.  She'd have had a coniption fit if I'd have come to the table wearing one.
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« Reply #50 on: July 19, 2010, 10:27:43 am »
I agree. You're inside. Take your hat off. Unless there's something really scary under there.

When I was at the Capitol there was a representative from South Texas who always wore his hat, indoors or out. On very rare occasions you could catch him with it off and underneath was the most shopworn, threadbare, multicolored toupee you could imagine. It even had the curls on the side from the hat.
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« Reply #51 on: July 19, 2010, 10:33:36 am »
Speaking of growing up in Texas and poor restaurant etiquette...Texans seem to be the worst offenders of my biggest restaurant pet peeve:  men who wear a hat at the table.  It's bad enough that you kept in on once you walked inside, but to leave it on while food is on the table?  Only Alkie and Todd the Bod are allowed wear a hat at the table.  

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« Reply #52 on: July 19, 2010, 10:41:16 am »
It drives anyone with common manners crazy.  Seriously...your'e at the table...take your fucking hat off.  How hard is that?  My momma would have kicked my ass for wearing a hat in the house.  She'd have had a coniption fit if I'd have come to the table wearing one.

Is the topic going to move to lack of manners now?
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« Reply #53 on: July 19, 2010, 10:46:04 am »
You're objecting to threadjacking? Here?
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« Reply #54 on: July 19, 2010, 10:47:36 am »
No, just wonder if that is where it is leading.

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« Reply #55 on: July 19, 2010, 10:48:33 am »
Is there a thing tomorrow night at Grif(f)'s or not?

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« Reply #56 on: July 19, 2010, 10:51:14 am »
I hope so, since I was planning to go.
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As far as I know there is.
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« Reply #58 on: July 19, 2010, 10:56:44 am »
Is the topic going to move to lack of manners now?

It can go anyplace you'd like to take it.  But the lack of manners in a restaurant certainly isn't that far off topic.
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« Reply #59 on: July 19, 2010, 10:57:24 am »
You kids get off my lawn!

Why is it that people think you have to be old to be polite?
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« Reply #60 on: July 19, 2010, 11:20:45 am »
As far as I know there is.

Can I wear my hat?  What if I don't eat and only drink unsweet tea?

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« Reply #61 on: July 19, 2010, 11:25:02 am »
Can I wear my hat?  What if I don't eat and only drink unsweet tea?

And will everyone wear name tags showing their attractiveness/salary ratio?
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« Reply #62 on: July 19, 2010, 11:26:51 am »
I've spent most of my morning listening to convicted thieves and child molesters begging for leniency in decisions made against them. I do appreciate the diversion, thank you.
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« Reply #63 on: July 19, 2010, 11:27:38 am »
I've spent most of my morning listening to convicted thieves and child molesters begging for leniency in decisions made against them. I do appreciate the diversion, thank you.

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« Reply #64 on: July 19, 2010, 11:28:20 am »
where the hell do you work?

Chili's

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« Reply #67 on: July 19, 2010, 11:32:20 am »
Chili's

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Doubly nominated.
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Why is it that people think you have to be old to be polite?

I think what constitutes polite is generational.  I'll respect your ancient custom/tradition at your house.  But at Chilis?  What the fuck do you care what's on my head?
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« Reply #70 on: July 19, 2010, 11:37:15 am »
No, tea is tea leaves brewed in water.

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[Nit]  The correct term is "steeped" [Picked}

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« Reply #72 on: July 19, 2010, 11:38:22 am »
And will everyone wear name tags showing their attractiveness/salary ratio?

also, i'm not going unless you are all clean-shaven
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« Reply #73 on: July 19, 2010, 11:38:58 am »
I think what constitutes polite is generational.  I'll respect your ancient custom/tradition at your house.  But at Chilis?  What the fuck do you care what's on my head?

Because manners are the common ground that enable us to all behave civilly and get along well in the face of noisy punk fucks who don't give a damn who they offend or why.
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Because manners are the common ground that enable us to all behave civilly and get along well in the face of noisy punk fucks who don't give a damn who they offend or why.

The word "offend" is overused.  Racism offends me.  Some douche wearing a hat indoors might midly annoy me.

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« Reply #75 on: July 19, 2010, 11:41:42 am »
The word "offend" is overused.  Racism offends me.  Some douche wearing a hat indoors might midly annoy me.

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« Reply #76 on: July 19, 2010, 11:43:37 am »
See what the next generation has in store?  You'll take my hat and like it.
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« Reply #77 on: July 19, 2010, 11:47:00 am »
What the fuck do you care what's on my head?

The same reason I don't want you putting your feet on the table.  The same reason you don't put your napkin back on the table once you place it in your lap.  The same reason your utensils don't touch the table once they've touched the food.  The same reason the waiter should not pick up your glass from the table...it's rude and unsanitary.  Honestly...eating in public is not a free for all. 
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« Reply #78 on: July 19, 2010, 11:58:42 am »
The same reason I don't want you putting your feet on the table.  The same reason you don't put your napkin back on the table once you place it in your lap.  The same reason your utensils don't touch the table once they've touched the food.  The same reason the waiter should not pick up your glass from the table...it's rude and unsanitary.  Honestly...eating in public is not a free for all. 

Bullshit.  My hat is no less sanitary than your shirt.  It's an old custom that has seen its last days. Perhaps one that made sense ages ago, but not now, at least not universally (my ball cap is not the same as a construction workers hard hat).  Regardless, I'm not putting it in or near your food.  Why bother being irritated about something so irrelevant?
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« Reply #79 on: July 19, 2010, 12:04:28 pm »
I’ll tell you what bothers me, when your waiter or waitress decides to memorize the order rather than write it down.  I’d say those who do so screw up my order 30% of the time.  There’s no need in showing off your memory people.  All that matters is that I get my food and beverage the way I ordered it.

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« Reply #80 on: July 19, 2010, 12:09:27 pm »
Bullshit.  My hat is no less sanitary than your shirt.  It's an old custom that has seen its last days. Perhaps one that made sense ages ago, but not now, at least not universally (my ball cap is not the same as a construction workers hard hat).  Regardless, I'm not putting it in or near your food.  Why bother being irritated about something so irrelevant?

I take my cap off when shaking hands at the end of a round of golf (if you really want a threadjack - get me started on the lack of etiquette on the golf course).  I typically don't wear a hat, but if I do, typically I take it off indoors.  Having said that, if I'm going to or coming from, say, a ballgame at which I'm wearing an Astros cap, it stays on my head indoors and out.  Say, like at Spanish Flowers.
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« Reply #81 on: July 19, 2010, 12:12:02 pm »
(if you really want a threadjack - get me started on the lack of etiquette on the golf course).

By all means, tells us about the lack of "etiquette" involved with a sport with more arcane rules and regulations than the IRS.
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« Reply #82 on: July 19, 2010, 12:14:37 pm »
I take my cap off when shaking hands at the end of a round of golf (if you really want a threadjack - get me started on the lack of etiquette on the golf course).  I typically don't wear a hat, but if I do, typically I take it off indoors.  Having said that, if I'm going to or coming from, say, a ballgame at which I'm wearing an Astros cap, it stays on my head indoors and out.  Say, like at Spanish Flowers.

"Look at that, you just got beat by a BALD guy!"  Yeah, I don't do that one either.  Most golf etiquette serves an actual purpose.  I don't mind explaining it to someone who is obviously new, and they always get it.
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« Reply #83 on: July 19, 2010, 12:21:20 pm »
"Look at that, you just got beat by a BALD guy!"  Yeah, I don't do that one either.  Most golf etiquette serves an actual purpose.  I don't mind explaining it to someone who is obviously new, and they always get it.

Doffing the cap is a respect thing; most golf etiquette is designed to avoid people getting accidentally hit with a golf ball or deliberately hit with a mashie niblick.  Off the top of my head, the stuff most commonly ignored is:

  • You mark your card at the next tee, not at the last green
  • You park your shit behind the green towards the next hole, not in front of it
  • You don’t walk into another group’s firing line, you let them all hit first then go hunt for your precious ball
  • You don’t drive past/near/around a group that’s teeing off, you stop and wait quietly for the whole group to hit
  • You repair any divots/pitch marks you see, not just your own
  • 90 degrees means 90 degrees
  • Either your score or that phone call is important.  Pick one, you can’t have both.

And lastly, two golden rules that apply in life as well as golf:

  • Your place is behind those in front, not in front of those behind; and
  • When it’s your turn, be ready
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« Reply #84 on: July 19, 2010, 12:23:00 pm »
Bullshit.  My hat is no less sanitary than your shirt.  It's an old custom that has seen its last days. Perhaps one that made sense ages ago, but not now, at least not universally (my ball cap is not the same as a construction workers hard hat).  Regardless, I'm not putting it in or near your food.  Why bother being irritated about something so irrelevant?

This makes me think you are okay with people wearing sunglasses inside, because it is cool.
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« Reply #85 on: July 19, 2010, 12:45:40 pm »
The same reason the waiter should not pick up your glass from the table

Oh, and, what the fuck?
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« Reply #86 on: July 19, 2010, 12:47:14 pm »
This makes me think you are okay with people wearing sunglasses inside, because it is cool.

No, I'm okay with it because WHY THE FUCK NOT?
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« Reply #87 on: July 19, 2010, 12:48:14 pm »
Doffing the cap is a respect thing; most golf etiquette is designed to avoid people getting accidentally hit with a golf ball or deliberately hit with a mashie niblick.  Off the top of my head, the stuff most commonly ignored is:

  • You mark your card at the next tee, not at the last green
  • You park your shit behind the green towards the next hole, not in front of it
  • You don’t walk into another group’s firing line, you let them all hit first then go hunt for your precious ball
  • You don’t drive past/near/around a group that’s teeing off, you stop and wait quietly for the whole group to hit
  • You repair any divots/pitch marks you see, not just your own
  • 90 degrees means 90 degrees
  • Either your score or that phone call is important.  Pick one, you can’t have both.

And lastly, two golden rules that apply in life as well as golf:

  • Your place is behind those in front, not in front of those behind; and
  • When it’s your turn, be ready

Agreed.  Also, closest to the hole gets the pin.  First one in picks it up.  Dont stand directly behind my line and at least act like you tried to avoid walking on it.
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« Reply #88 on: July 19, 2010, 12:58:58 pm »
Agreed.  Also, closest to the hole gets the pin.  First one in picks it up.  Dont stand directly behind my line and at least act like you tried to avoid walking on it.

In-group etiquette is much more enforceable; usually by a well-placed passive-aggressive sarcastic comment.  It's the group to group stuff that's annoying, because many don't know or don't care or don't care to know.

Example: at my club, my regular foursome was playing, and we play fast.   There was a threesome in front, and they were falling drastically behind the group in front of them, such that at the turn, they were 6 holes behind.  For you non-golfers, that's Lee leading Bourn around the bases.  They had ample opportunities to let us through, but did not.  At the 10th tee, they were still teeing off as we arrived.  The one member in the group looked at us and asked "Are you three or four?".  We said "Four", not adding "Du-uh."  He shrugged and drove off.

Three excruciatingly slow holes later, I called the clubhouse and told them to send someone out.  The starter came by, we made our point and he, reluctantly, went to talk to the group in front.  They sped up (a little), but when they finished the 18th, the member stood and stared us down as we hit up to the green.  Apparently, he was with two important clients.  They left before I had the chance to tell him in exactly how many ways, and with how many utensils he could go fuck himself.

The point being, adherence to basic etiquette would've avoided any and all ugliness.  All that needed to happen was that, when he saw that they were falling behind and holding us up, they speed up or let us play through.  Either way no one complains to anyone about anything because it's all good.
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« Reply #89 on: July 19, 2010, 01:01:16 pm »
Doffing the cap is a respect thing; most golf etiquette is designed to avoid people getting accidentally hit with a golf ball or deliberately hit with a mashie niblick.  Off the top of my head, the stuff most commonly ignored is:

  • You mark your card at the next tee, not at the last green
  • You park your shit behind the green towards the next hole, not in front of it
  • You don’t walk into another group’s firing line, you let them all hit first then go hunt for your precious ball


Pro golfers are pussies.  Carlos Lee stands up there and some guy throws a big rock at him at 100 mph and he defends himself with a bat.  Pro golfers stand there with the ball on a fucking tee and shush everybody around them in case their little minds get distracted.  Pussies.
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« Reply #90 on: July 19, 2010, 01:09:11 pm »
Pro golfers are pussies.  Carlos Lee stands up there and some guy throws a big rock at him at 100 mph and he defends himself with a bat.  Pro golfers stand there with the ball on a fucking tee and shush everybody around them in case their little minds get distracted.  Pussies.

A baseball swing is more reactive than golf's proactive swing, so I understand why the latter is preferred to be done in silence.  Also, you can fuck-up a baseball swing 20 times a game and still have a good night at the plate.  In golf that's, what I do.

I am not arguing that golfers are tougher than ball players as, on the whole, I don't believe this to be the case.  I would think twice (at least) before getting into a fight with Paul Casey though, as that stocky little fuck looks like he'd hit you low and hard and take you to the ground in a second.
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« Reply #91 on: July 19, 2010, 01:13:48 pm »
It drives anyone with common manners crazy.  Seriously...your'e at the table...take your fucking hat off.  How hard is that?  My momma would have kicked my ass for wearing a hat in the house.  She'd have had a coniption fit if I'd have come to the table wearing one.

I thought the popes wore the hats to the meetings? Isn't there food involved?

There are people that have an excuse to wear a hat: recent cranial surgery, cancer, mange, really bad exama or psoriasis, funny haircut from when you passed out and someone took a razor to your head, religious reasons (you racists hate the Jews, huh?)...

So that those people don't stand out, I will wear a cap, just so they don't feel like they stick out in the crowd.

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« Reply #92 on: July 19, 2010, 01:15:07 pm »
A baseball swing is more reactive than golf's proactive swing, so I understand why the latter is preferred to be done in silence.  Also, you can fuck-up a baseball swing 20 times a game and still have a good night at the plate.  In golf that's, what I do.

I am not arguing that golfers are tougher than ball players as, on the whole, I don't believe this to be the case.  I would think twice (at least) before getting into a fight with Paul Casey though, as that stocky little fuck looks like he'd hit you low and hard and take you to the ground in a second.

I was just being ornery.  Only just.

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« Reply #93 on: July 19, 2010, 01:39:27 pm »
I was just being ornery.  Only just.

There are some pro golfers who have expressed publicly that they don't understand why some of their crowd require dead silence and/or get apoplectic when someone drops a pin during their backswing.
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« Reply #94 on: July 19, 2010, 01:43:06 pm »
A baseball swing is more reactive than golf's proactive swing, so I understand why the latter is preferred to be done in silence.  Also, you can fuck-up a baseball swing 20 times a game and still have a good night at the plate.  In golf that's, what I do.

I am not arguing that golfers are tougher than ball players as, on the whole, I don't believe this to be the case.  I would think twice (at least) before getting into a fight with Paul Casey though, as that stocky little fuck looks like he'd hit you low and hard and take you to the ground in a second.

From a mental aspect, golfers are probably the toughest athletes in the sporting world.  Nobody to fall back on but yourself.  There is not many of them I would like to have my back in a fight, but then again I would not fuck with the likes of Ernie Els, Lee Westwood or KJ Choi, either.  

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« Reply #95 on: July 19, 2010, 01:45:05 pm »
From a mental aspect, golfers are probably the toughest athletes in the sporting world.  Nobody to fall back on but yourself.  There is not many of them I would like to have my back in a fight, but then again I would not fuck with the likes of Ernie Els, Lee Westwood or KJ Choi, either.  

I reckon I could take Tom Kite.
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« Reply #96 on: July 19, 2010, 01:50:14 pm »
I reckon I could take Tom Kite.

I certainly hope so

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« Reply #97 on: July 19, 2010, 01:56:01 pm »
 Only Alkie and Todd the Bod are allowed wear a hat at the table.  

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« Reply #98 on: July 19, 2010, 01:56:52 pm »
I reckon I could take Tom Kite.

Thats what Happy thought.

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« Reply #99 on: July 19, 2010, 01:57:07 pm »
a mashie niblick

Bullshit.  You made that up
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« Reply #100 on: July 19, 2010, 02:17:04 pm »
Bullshit.  You made that up

Begging your pardon, no he is not.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obsolete_golf_clubs

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« Reply #101 on: July 19, 2010, 02:22:45 pm »
I can't believe I missed this entire thread working my ass off today. 

Fuck you guys.

To whoever said they hate the people memorizing the order instead of writing it down, you're my hero.   It drives us motherfucking nuts.   

As to the waiters sitting with you at the table with you; I can actually tell you why they do it and what has kept the silly fucking tradition alive if you like.   I actually read the study that lead to it.

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« Reply #102 on: July 19, 2010, 02:30:25 pm »
No, that's OK.
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« Reply #103 on: July 19, 2010, 02:47:56 pm »
From a mental aspect, golfers are probably the toughest athletes in the sporting world.  Nobody to fall back on but yourself.  

Was able to get out twice this weekend.  Both times early afternoon with no one else around to tee off with, so I played two golf balls on each hole.  Eight 9s to try and break 40.  One featured an eagle (my first in over a year) and a birdie.  Guess which one.
42 42
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45 41
44 43

Fuck this game.
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« Reply #104 on: July 19, 2010, 02:52:06 pm »
Was able to get out twice this weekend.  Both times early afternoon with no one else around to tee off with, so I played two golf balls on each hole.  Eight 9s to try and break 40.  One featured an eagle (my first in over a year) and a birdie.  Guess which one.
42 42
41 49
45 41
44 43

Fuck this game.

the 49, because you had given up hope of breaking 40 and got out of your own damn way.  Golf is about a bunch of individual shots, not an accumulation of them.  Do your best on each one and let the score take care of itself.

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« Reply #105 on: July 19, 2010, 02:55:40 pm »
Was able to get out twice this weekend.  Both times early afternoon with no one else around to tee off with, so I played two golf balls on each hole.  Eight 9s to try and break 40.  One featured an eagle (my first in over a year) and a birdie.  Guess which one.
42 42
41 49
45 41
44 43

Fuck this game.

The way to break 40 over 9 holes is simple - 3 regulation pars, 3 up 'n' down pars and 3 bogeys.  When you break it down like that, it's much less daunting than thinking that you have to nail every fairway and every green.
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« Reply #106 on: July 19, 2010, 03:02:18 pm »
The way to break 40 over 9 holes is simple - 3 regulation pars, 3 up 'n' down pars and 3 bogeys.  When you break it down like that, it's much less daunting than thinking that you have to nail every fairway and every green.

No way.  Do your best on each shot...or else when you go over your quota early, you will put even more pressure on yourself the next hole trying to catch up. 

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« Reply #107 on: July 19, 2010, 03:04:49 pm »
The way to break 40 over 9 holes is simple - 3 regulation pars, 3 up 'n' down pars and 3 bogeys.  When you break it down like that, it's much less daunting than thinking that you have to nail every fairway and every green.

What is this "up 'n down" par of which you speak? I have only heard of them in legends. Or when Lurch needed to screw me out of a hole.
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« Reply #108 on: July 19, 2010, 03:06:47 pm »
No way.  Do your best on each shot...or else when you go over your quota early, you will put even more pressure on yourself the next hole trying to catch up. 

Check hands.  Check feet, knees, shoulders for alignment. Hang arms.  Tilt.  Check target.  Stay loose.  Rotate.  Elbow down.  Don't roll wrist over.  Ignore that ant.  Check target.  Don't sway.  Stay balanced.  Relax jaw.  Light grip.  Push back with left tricep. Stay on plane.  And do your best.

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« Reply #109 on: July 19, 2010, 03:08:09 pm »
What is this "up 'n down" par of which you speak? I have only heard of them in legends. Or when Lurch needed to screw me out of a hole.

Actually, when Austro's money is on the line, everything just seems to fall in place.  I've submitted this tip to Golf Digest.
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« Reply #110 on: July 19, 2010, 03:08:49 pm »
Check hands.  Check feet, knees, shoulders for alignment. Hang arms.  Tilt.  Check target.  Stay loose.  Rotate.  Elbow down.  Don't roll wrist over.  Ignore that ant.  Check target.  Don't sway.  Stay balanced.  Relax jaw.  Light grip.  Push back with left tricep. Stay on plane.  And do your best.

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You forgot to keep your eye on the ball....
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« Reply #111 on: July 19, 2010, 03:09:20 pm »
You forgot to keep your eye on the ball....

FUCKING ANT!!
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« Reply #112 on: July 19, 2010, 03:10:18 pm »
No way.  Do your best on each shot...or else when you go over your quota early, you will put even more pressure on yourself the next hole trying to catch up. 

Agreed.  But, for me, at least, knowing that I can miss a fairway (or 6), a green (or 6) and a putt (or 6), means that individual fuck ups are not going to kill me.  Of course, it's not really relevant currently as I played twice this weekend, posting 89 and 100 respectively (although the latter was played in a lake).
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« Reply #113 on: July 19, 2010, 03:12:08 pm »
FUCKING ANT!!

I have to do some housekeeping on most tee boxes to clear away old tees etc.  Otherwise, the last thought in my head on the back swing is "Whatever you do, don't get distracted by that broken tee..."
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« Reply #114 on: July 19, 2010, 03:13:36 pm »
Bullshit.  My hat is no less sanitary than your shirt.  It's an old custom that has seen its last days.

Bullshit.  Your hat is filthy.  Much more so than my shirt. 

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Because it's not irrelevant.  Certain behavior is expected when you're eating in a place where others are eating. 
The rules of distinction were thrown out with the baseball cap.  It does not lend itself to protocol.  It is found today on youth in homes, classrooms, even in fine restaurants.  Regardless of its other consequences, this is a breach against civility.  A civilized man should avoid this mania.

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« Reply #115 on: July 19, 2010, 03:15:07 pm »
Oh, and, what the fuck?

What do you mean?
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« Reply #116 on: July 19, 2010, 03:15:45 pm »
Certain behavior is expected when you're eating in a place where others are eating. 

So, are you concerned about my health or yours?
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« Reply #117 on: July 19, 2010, 03:17:19 pm »
Why do I get this honor?

Being the respectful Hebrew that you are.
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« Reply #118 on: July 19, 2010, 03:17:31 pm »
What do you mean?

You don't allow your waiter to pick your glass up to fill it?  Do you live in a bubble?
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« Reply #119 on: July 19, 2010, 03:18:04 pm »
So, are you concerned about my health or yours?

Both.  That's why there are both laws and customs regarding food preparation and serving where there are multiple parties consuming the food.
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« Reply #120 on: July 19, 2010, 03:20:32 pm »
You don't allow your waiter to pick your glass up to fill it?  Do you live in a bubble?

No.  Once I drink from my glass, I'm the only one who touches it.  If it needs refilling, he can either fill it on the table or bring me a new glass.  Geez, are you a cave man?  Do table manners not exist out there in Dogpatch?
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« Reply #121 on: July 19, 2010, 03:21:27 pm »
Both.  That's why there are both laws and customs regarding food preparation and serving where there are multiple parties consuming the food.

Please explain how my hat on my head impacts your health.  Also, please explain how the dirty hair you just exposed while taking off yours is somehow more sanitary for me.
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« Reply #122 on: July 19, 2010, 03:22:41 pm »
I think it's unprofessional for a waiter to approach my table reeking of smoke.  

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« Reply #123 on: July 19, 2010, 03:24:27 pm »
Please explain how my hat on my head impacts your health.  Also, please explain how the dirty hair you just exposed while taking off yours is somehow more sanitary for me.

Your hat contains all kinds of sweat, germs, dust, debris, God knows what.  Take it off when you walk inside and it's not hovering over the table and plates of food.
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« Reply #124 on: July 19, 2010, 03:26:07 pm »
No.  Once I drink from my glass, I'm the only one who touches it.  If it needs refilling, he can either fill it on the table or bring me a new glass.  Geez, are you a cave man?  Do table manners not exist out there in Dogpatch?

If I were that concerned about what might happen if someone touched my glass, I probably wouldn't be eating out in the first place.  At Chili's.  I suppose there is comfort in taking control of what you can see, but what is happening in the kitchen would likely impact you 100x more and you apparently just take that on faith.  At Chili's.
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« Reply #125 on: July 19, 2010, 03:27:19 pm »
I think what constitutes polite is generational.  I'll respect your ancient custom/tradition at your house.  But at Chilis?  What the fuck do you care what's on my head?

no, manners are manners. i agree ignoring manners is generational.
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« Reply #126 on: July 19, 2010, 03:29:30 pm »
Your hat hair, eyebrows, skin, shirt, that ceiling fan, etc. contains all kinds of sweat, germs, dust, debris, God knows what.  Take it off when you walk inside and it's not hovering over the table and plates of food.

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« Reply #127 on: July 19, 2010, 03:31:23 pm »
If I were that concerned about what might happen if someone touched my glass,

Then why even wash glasses between meals.  And the guy at table 1 didn't finish all of his iced tea, so just grab the glass off his table and give it to you. 

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I probably wouldn't be eating out in the first place.  At Chili's.  I suppose there is comfort in taking control of what you can see, but what is happening in the kitchen would likely impact you 100x more and you apparently just take that on faith.  At Chili's.

Probably true.  But that doesn't mean I let the waiter blow on my soup when it's too hot.

I get it.  You don't believe in table manners.  You can eat outside the next time I invite you over for dinner.
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« Reply #128 on: July 19, 2010, 03:31:39 pm »
no, manners are manners. i agree ignoring manners is generational.

Do you stop and tip your cap to every dame that you pass on the street?
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« Reply #129 on: July 19, 2010, 03:31:46 pm »
Chefs wear hats...
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« Reply #130 on: July 19, 2010, 03:32:24 pm »
Life is too short.

It'd be even shorter without advancements in sanitation.
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« Reply #131 on: July 19, 2010, 03:33:22 pm »
Chefs wear hats...

In the kitchen.  They're not supposed to wear them to the ballgame them come to work wearing the same hat.  You don't wear your street hat for food preparation.
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« Reply #132 on: July 19, 2010, 03:33:55 pm »
I get it.  You don't believe in table manners.

It may well be limited to this one.  I teach my kids the rest because I can justify them.
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« Reply #134 on: July 19, 2010, 03:39:29 pm »
Then why even wash glasses between meals. 

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« Reply #135 on: July 19, 2010, 03:41:38 pm »
It may well be limited to this one.  I teach my kids the rest because I can justify them.

If you can't justify taking your hat off before you sit down for a meal, how do you justify any of them?
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« Reply #136 on: July 19, 2010, 03:45:22 pm »
Being the respectful Hebrew that you are.

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Yeah, I gave that shit up about 21 years ago.  You're more Jewish than I am.

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« Reply #137 on: July 19, 2010, 03:45:27 pm »
Then why even wash glasses between meals. 

I'm lost on what the difference is between taking a drink after the waiter sets down your fresh glass of water and taking a drink after the waiter picked up your used glass, filled it up and sets it down.  His hands->your glass->your mouth, both.
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« Reply #138 on: July 19, 2010, 03:46:07 pm »
If you can't justify taking your hat off before you sit down for a meal, how do you justify any of them?

You haven't in 3 pages.
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« Reply #139 on: July 19, 2010, 03:46:29 pm »
You don't wear your street hat for food preparation.

what if it's street food?
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« Reply #140 on: July 19, 2010, 03:47:34 pm »
Doffing the cap is a respect thing; most golf etiquette is designed to avoid people getting accidentally hit with a golf ball or deliberately hit with a mashie niblick.  Off the top of my head, the stuff most commonly ignored is:

  • You mark your card at the next tee, not at the last green
  • You park your shit behind the green towards the next hole, not in front of it
  • You don’t walk into another group’s firing line, you let them all hit first then go hunt for your precious ball
  • You don’t drive past/near/around a group that’s teeing off, you stop and wait quietly for the whole group to hit
  • You repair any divots/pitch marks you see, not just your own
  • 90 degrees means 90 degrees
  • Either your score or that phone call is important.  Pick one, you can’t have both.

And lastly, two golden rules that apply in life as well as golf:

  • Your place is behind those in front, not in front of those behind; and
  • When it’s your turn, be ready

What about farting in the backswing?

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« Reply #141 on: July 19, 2010, 03:48:47 pm »
What about farting in the backswing?

Depends.  Creating a tailwind?
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« Reply #142 on: July 19, 2010, 03:49:54 pm »
Depends.  Creating a tailwind?

All I can say is somtimes shit happens.

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« Reply #143 on: July 19, 2010, 03:51:09 pm »
I'm lost on what the difference is between taking a drink after the waiter sets down your fresh glass of water and taking a drink after the waiter picked up your used glass, filled it up and sets it down.  His hands->your glass->your mouth, both.

The waiter shouldn't take your glass then go fill it up and bring you the same dirty glass.  He either fills it up on the table or brings you a new, unused glass.  The point is to prevent waiter from touching every dirty glass in the joint, then handling yours.
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« Reply #144 on: July 19, 2010, 03:51:32 pm »
All I can say is somtimes shit happens.

Probably the Chili's
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« Reply #145 on: July 19, 2010, 03:52:28 pm »
You haven't in 3 pages.

You don't mind eating off of a dirty floor.  That doesn't mean that hygiene and etiquette aren't justified.
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« Reply #146 on: July 19, 2010, 03:52:50 pm »
The waiter shouldn't take your glass then go fill it up and bring you the same dirty glass.  He either fills it up on the table or brings you a new, unused glass.  The point is to prevent waiter from touching every dirty glass in the joint, then handling yours.

You mean like the table he just cleared before he brought you your new 'clean' glass?
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« Reply #147 on: July 19, 2010, 03:53:16 pm »
what if it's street food?

Then you're taking your life into your own hands.
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« Reply #148 on: July 19, 2010, 03:55:29 pm »
Chefs wear hats...

My first summer job in high school was working at a cafeteria that featured a bakery chef.  He wore a hat.  It was filthy with all sorts of sweat on it.  He'd take it off when he went out for a smoke so no customers would see it.  Me, as the busboy who worked in the dishwashing area had to wear clean uniforms every day, with a skull cap.  This was me, the guy who had to take all the half-eaten, unsanitary, just plain nasty food and dump into a large bin.  Then I'd wash the plate and place it on the dishwasher conveyor belt while the other high school kid was on the other side grabbing the dishes and stacking them in an crate for the next day usage.

High School kids working in the nasty dishwashing area = clean uniforms and skull caps.
40ish looking bakery chef = not so clean uniform, nasty looking hat.

Go figure.

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« Reply #149 on: July 19, 2010, 03:55:35 pm »
You don't mind eating off of a dirty floor.  That doesn't mean that hygiene and etiquette aren't justified.

You've failed to justify the belief that wearing a hat is exceptionally unsanitary.  You drive through Whataburger and start eating your burger on the way home.  You take off your cap?
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« Reply #150 on: July 19, 2010, 03:55:38 pm »
Then you're taking your life into your own hands.

I have to say, man, I'm 100.00% in agreement with your gripes in this post, to the point where I'm laughing and pointing and going "YES" at my monitor as if it can hear me.

The part where you totally lose me is...why are you eating at Chili's?

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« Reply #151 on: July 19, 2010, 03:56:09 pm »
You mean like the table he just cleared before he brought you your new 'clean' glass?

The waiter should not be clearing tables.  The people who handle the food do not handle dirty dishes.  The people who handle the dirty dishes are called "bus boys", and it's a different job than "waiter".  If the waiter must handle dirty dishes, he washes his hands before doing anything else. 

Seriously, am I the only one who understands this?
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« Reply #152 on: July 19, 2010, 03:56:44 pm »
The part where you totally lose me is...why are you eating at Chili's?

The chicken sandwich.  Try and keep up.
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« Reply #153 on: July 19, 2010, 03:58:02 pm »
My first summer job in high school was working at a cafeteria that featured a bakery chef.  He wore a hat.  It was filthy with all sorts of sweat on it.  He'd take it off when he went out for a smoke so no customers would see it.  Me, as the busboy who worked in the dishwashing area had to wear clean uniforms every day, with a skull cap.  This was me, the guy who had to take all the half-eaten, unsanitary, just plain nasty food and dump into a large bin.  Then I'd wash the plate and place it on the dishwasher conveyor belt while the other high school kid was on the other side grabbing the dishes and stacking them in an crate for the next day usage.

High School kids working in the nasty dishwashing area = clean uniforms and skull caps.
40ish looking bakery chef = not so clean uniform, nasty looking hat.

Go figure.

You want to stop eating out...work in a kitchen or own a restaurant for a few years.   Our place was next door to the only Chinese restaurant in Georgetown, Texas and was apparently a "fairly clean Chinese place."   I still have a hard time eating Chinese food in America after seeing what I saw.

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« Reply #154 on: July 19, 2010, 03:58:27 pm »
You've failed to justify the belief that wearing a hat is exceptionally unsanitary.  You drive through Whataburger and start eating your burger on the way home.  You take off your cap?

If there are other people in the car, I don't eat on the way home.  If you were the only person eating at this establishment, then I wouldn't care if you kept your hat on, washed the glasses or anything else.  But when someone else is eating at the same place, or someone else is to follow your meal at the same table, a few courtesies are in order.
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« Reply #155 on: July 19, 2010, 03:59:21 pm »
The chicken sandwich.  Try and keep up.

Right, I guess I'm just thinking...you went to a place that is run by, for, and of teenagers and are complaining that the staff and patrons aren't treating it with the respect of a Michelin star.

It's fast food.  On a stick.   You're lucky the food comes warmish.

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« Reply #156 on: July 19, 2010, 04:02:27 pm »
The waiter should not be clearing tables.  The people who handle the food do not handle dirty dishes.  The people who handle the dirty dishes are called "bus boys", and it's a different job than "waiter".  If the waiter must handle dirty dishes, he washes his hands before doing anything else. 

Seriously, am I the only one who understands this?

While you paint a pretty picture, I'm suggesting that reality (especially at CHILI'S) fails to meet your expectations at all times.  And yet, you're not dead from a glassborn illness.  You can continue to be anal about trivial shit like dinnerware chain of possession or you can enjoy your fucking chicken sandwich.
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« Reply #157 on: July 19, 2010, 04:02:50 pm »
Then you're taking your life into your own hands.

This coming from a man who eats at chili's. 
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« Reply #158 on: July 19, 2010, 04:03:30 pm »
If there are other people in the car, I don't eat on the way home.  

Its unsanitary for others, but not for yourself, whose food it directly hovers over?
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« Reply #159 on: July 19, 2010, 04:04:12 pm »
Right, I guess I'm just thinking...you went to a place that is run by, for, and of teenagers and are complaining that the staff and patrons aren't treating it with the respect of a Michelin star.

I don't think a restaurant has to be four stars to expect the waiter to be clean and courteous.  I waited at The Spaghetti Whorehouse and Bennigan's.  But never took a sip out of someone's drink, or mixed their salad by hand, or cleaned their fork with my tongue...and I always washed my hands if I had to go to the bathroom.  I didn't find any of that particularly onerous or offensive to my senses.

My particular gripe with this particular experience at Chili's was the waiter sitting down at the table, as if he was part of the party. 
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« Reply #160 on: July 19, 2010, 04:05:32 pm »
While you paint a pretty picture, I'm suggesting that reality (especially at CHILI'S) fails to meet your expectations at all times.  And yet, you're not dead from a glassborn illness.  You can continue to be anal about trivial shit like dinnerware chain of possession or you can enjoy your fucking chicken sandwich.

I'm not suggesting that it's that way all the time.  I know it's not.  But that doesn't mean we should simply give up on having any minimum standard of public behavior.
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« Reply #161 on: July 19, 2010, 04:07:17 pm »
Its unsanitary for others, but not for yourself, whose food it directly hovers over?

If I want to wipe my ass with my burger before I eat it, that's my perogative.  But I don't think it's reasonable to let me wipe my ass with yours.  You seem to be missing the point about this being a public establishment, where there are others, besides youself, sharing the space.
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« Reply #162 on: July 19, 2010, 04:08:08 pm »
I'm not suggesting that it's that way all the time.  I know it's not.  But that doesn't mean we should simply give up on having any minimum standard of public behavior.

Some elements of your minimum standard are petty and unnecessary.
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« Reply #163 on: July 19, 2010, 04:09:59 pm »
If I want to wipe my ass with my burger before I eat it, that's my perogative.  But I don't think it's reasonable to let me wipe my ass with yours.  You seem to be missing the point about this being a public establishment, where there are others, besides youself, sharing the space.

I am 100% confident that my hat is not in any way impacting your food.  You know this.
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« Reply #164 on: July 19, 2010, 04:11:07 pm »
Your hat contains all kinds of sweat, germs, dust, debris, God knows what.  Take it off when you walk inside and it's not hovering over the table and plates of food.

So do my pants, but if I take those off at Chili's, apparently that makes me a deviant. Thanks a lot, Bin Laden.
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« Reply #165 on: July 19, 2010, 04:12:19 pm »
So do my pants, but if I take those off at Chili's, apparently that makes me a deviant. Thanks a lot, Bin Laden.

Maybe it's because you are concealing a weapon in them?
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« Reply #166 on: July 19, 2010, 04:13:31 pm »
Some elements of your minimum standard are petty and unnecessary.

In your mind, I'm sure they are.  Some people don't beleive in bathing either.
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« Reply #167 on: July 19, 2010, 04:15:01 pm »
Maybe it's because you are concealing a weapon in them?

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« Reply #168 on: July 19, 2010, 04:15:02 pm »
What about farting in the backswing?

On Saturday, I farted prior to one of my playing partners' putts.  He then addressed his putt, paused for a second and then had to back off because the waft hit him.  Classic.
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« Reply #169 on: July 19, 2010, 04:16:23 pm »
I am 100% confident that my hat is not in any way impacting your food.  You know this.

I know that you don't give a shit who you offend in a restaurant, thinking that if they don't like your behavior, they can leave.  My whole diatribe is directed at people like you.
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« Reply #170 on: July 19, 2010, 04:17:02 pm »
Some people don't beleive in bathing either.

Right, those in the 1800s that came up with the cap manner.
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« Reply #171 on: July 19, 2010, 04:18:27 pm »
Right, those in the 1800s that came up with the cap manner.

You are utterly hopeless.  I honestly hope someone else in your family teaches your kids some manners, because otherwise they don't stand a chance.
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« Reply #172 on: July 19, 2010, 04:19:26 pm »
The waiter should not be clearing tables.  The people who handle the food do not handle dirty dishes.  The people who handle the dirty dishes are called "bus boys", and it's a different job than "waiter".  If the waiter must handle dirty dishes, he washes his hands before doing anything else. 

Seriously, am I the only one who understands this?

It's the same reason that, at a $3.99 all-you-can-eat Chinese buffet, they ask you to use a clean plate each time you go back to the trough.
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« Reply #173 on: July 19, 2010, 04:19:44 pm »
I know that you don't give a shit who you offend in a restaurant, thinking that if they don't like your behavior, they can leave.  My whole diatribe is directed at people like you.

I know it's not realistic to expect everyone to meet my personal standards (regardless of purpose, or lack thereof) as clearly depicted on the cover of the Saturday Evening Post.
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« Reply #174 on: July 19, 2010, 04:21:13 pm »
You are utterly hopeless.  I honestly hope someone else in your family teaches your kids some manners, because otherwise they don't stand a chance.

God forbid they learn to question why.
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« Reply #175 on: July 19, 2010, 04:21:42 pm »
I know it's not realistic to expect everyone to meet my personal standards (regardless of purpose, or lack thereof) as clearly depicted on the cover of the Saturday Evening Post.

These aren't my personal standards...they are basic practices of courtesy and hygiene when eating with other people, well established and understood by those not living in a cave. 
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« Reply #176 on: July 19, 2010, 04:22:15 pm »
God forbid they learn to question why.

Don't sell your kids short.  It's likely they'll get it.
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« Reply #177 on: July 19, 2010, 04:23:47 pm »
These aren't my personal standards...they are basic practices of courtesy and hygiene when eating with other people, well established and understood by those not living in a cave. 

Established in a different time with much different understandings of science and reason.
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« Reply #178 on: July 19, 2010, 04:24:47 pm »
It's the same reason that, at a $3.99 all-you-can-eat Chinese buffet, they ask you to use a clean plate each time you go back to the trough.

Why the hell would Lurch use a clean plate each time through?  For that matter, what's up with those glass "tents" over the buffet?  Now he has to reach all the way underneath.  And why is there a separate spoon for each dish...or even spoons at all...he should just lick off his fork, then take it back up to the buffet and load up with whatever else he wants.
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« Reply #179 on: July 19, 2010, 04:25:47 pm »
Established in a different time with much different understandings of science and reason.

No, established in a time where people gave a shit what others thought...where they were self aware...before everyone starting thinking the world revolved around them.
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« Reply #180 on: July 19, 2010, 04:26:28 pm »
Why the hell would Lurch use a clean plate each time through?  For that matter, what's up with those glass "tents" over the buffet?  Now he has to reach all the way underneath.  And why is there a separate spoon for each dish...or even spoons at all...he should just lick off his fork, then take it back up to the buffet and load up with whatever else he wants.

Who put this giant fucking hat over the buffet?!
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« Reply #181 on: July 19, 2010, 04:28:40 pm »
This probably wasn't the intent, but I am now extremely fucking hungry. I need some fried rice and egg rolls, stat.
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« Reply #182 on: July 19, 2010, 04:34:45 pm »
No, established in a time where people gave a shit what others thought...where they were self aware...before everyone starting thinking the world revolved around them.

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« Reply #183 on: July 19, 2010, 04:36:47 pm »
Wearing a hat in Chili's is representative of a society in decline.  This is how Rome fell, too.

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« Reply #184 on: July 19, 2010, 04:39:08 pm »
Since the practice of removing hats, meant as a sign of respect, predates most concepts of modern hygiene, what does one have to do with the other?

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« Reply #185 on: July 19, 2010, 04:40:39 pm »
Since the practice of removing hats, meant as a sign of respect, predates most concepts of modern hygiene, what does one have to do with the other?

Nothing at all. What's your point?
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« Reply #186 on: July 19, 2010, 04:42:23 pm »
Nothing at all. What's your point?

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« Reply #187 on: July 19, 2010, 04:42:52 pm »
Since the practice of removing hats, meant as a sign of respect, predates most concepts of modern hygiene, what does one have to do with the other?

Removing your hat when you walk into someone's house is respect.  Removing it when eating with other people is cleanliness.
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« Reply #188 on: July 19, 2010, 04:50:58 pm »
May I point out that Lurch is the fine fellow who, by his own admission, dines at fast food establishments ten or twelve times a week? So his concept of a restaurant and the norms associated therewith may naturally diverge from the mean.
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« Reply #189 on: July 19, 2010, 04:57:29 pm »
Removing your hat when you walk into someone's house is respect.  Removing it when eating with other people is cleanliness.

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« Reply #190 on: July 19, 2010, 04:58:37 pm »
May I point out that Lurch is the fine fellow who, by his own admission, dines at fast food establishments ten or twelve times a week? So his concept of a restaurant and the norms associated therewith may naturally diverge from the mean.

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« Reply #192 on: July 19, 2010, 05:11:50 pm »
When do we get the part where women should be eating topless?

Seriously, I am guilty of not taking off my hat while dining, sometimes, but I do agree that it is polite.

On a related note, I tried something with the family at Thanksgiving a few years back: if one of the women at the table stood up, the men should stand up out of respect. It did not last long. I was trying to make a point. My mom has always done an enormous job of serving everyone. I wanted her to realize how often she got up to serve other people, but to also make everyone realize how much she was doing. I guess the point was made quickly, but little changed after that.

 
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« Reply #193 on: July 19, 2010, 05:36:40 pm »
When do we get the part where women should be eating topless?

Seriously, I am guilty of not taking off my hat while dining, sometimes, but I do agree that it is polite.

On a related note, I tried something with the family at Thanksgiving a few years back: if one of the women at the table stood up, the men should stand up out of respect. It did not last long. I was trying to make a point. My mom has always done an enormous job of serving everyone. I wanted her to realize how often she got up to serve other people, but to also make everyone realize how much she was doing. I guess the point was made quickly, but little changed after that.

You should stand up anytime a lady leaves or arrives the table.  You should stand up if a man is arriving for the first time or is leaving and will not return.
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« Reply #194 on: July 19, 2010, 05:46:31 pm »
Removing your hat when you walk into someone's house is respect.  Removing it when eating with other people is cleanliness.

Which is interesting as hair restraints would seem to lend themselves to cleanliness more than free and unfettered hair.  At least the food handling folk think so.

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« Reply #195 on: July 19, 2010, 05:47:14 pm »
So do my pants, but if I take those off at Chili's, apparently that makes me a deviant. Thanks a lot, Bin Laden.

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« Reply #196 on: July 19, 2010, 05:53:33 pm »
May I point out that Lurch is the fine fellow who, by his own admission, dines at fast food establishments ten or twelve times a week? So his concept of a restaurant and the norms associated therewith may naturally diverge from the mean.

A perfectly fair point.  My hat helps keep the sticky stuff on the underside of the playscape from getting in my hair.  Chili's it ain't.
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« Reply #197 on: July 19, 2010, 06:11:44 pm »
Which is interesting as hair restraints would seem to lend themselves to cleanliness more than free and unfettered hair.  At least the food handling folk think so.

The purpose of a hair net is to keep your hair out of other peoples' food.  The purpose of a hat is to keep things you don't want on your head and face from being on your head and face, be that rain, snow, dirt, debris, leaves, pollen, tree sap or bat shit.  I'm not sure why you're so ready to drag it across your dinner plate simply because you can.
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« Reply #198 on: July 19, 2010, 06:20:04 pm »
The purpose of a hair net is to keep your hair out of other peoples' food.  The purpose of a hat is to keep things you don't want on your head and face from being on your head and face, be that rain, snow, dirt, debris, leaves, pollen, tree sap or bat shit.  I'm not sure why you're so ready to drag it across your dinner plate simply because you can.

I'm not ready to do anything, and I remove my hat in just about all indoor settings, so go fuck your high horse.  But it seems that disturbing the hair under the hat would be just as if not more unsanitary as leaving the hat on.  Especially since 90% of the hats you're talking about in 2010 are baseball caps (except maybe during February in houston, when everyone thinks they're a cowboy.)  And even then, the purpose of those chapeaus is not to keep filth out of hair.

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« Reply #199 on: July 19, 2010, 06:25:45 pm »
The purpose of a hair net is to keep your hair out of other peoples' food.  The purpose of a hat is to keep things you don't want on your head and face from being on your head and face, be that rain, snow, dirt, debris, leaves, pollen, tree sap or bat shit.  I'm not sure why you're so ready to drag it across your dinner plate simply because you can.

Good lord... does your hat look like this?

I use my cap for the purposes of keep the sun out of my eyes and/or covering the catastrophe that is my head on the weekends. I agree that it is polite and appropriate to remove one's hat at the table, but I have never considered it to be a sanitary issue. Though, in fairness, I clearly don't walk through the same hellstorm of flying shit that you do.

Also, if you're dragging your hat across your plate, you're doing it wrong.
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« Reply #200 on: July 19, 2010, 06:36:58 pm »
But it seems that disturbing the hair under the hat would be just as if not more unsanitary as leaving the hat on.

How dirty is your hair?  I'd like to assume you wash it more frequently than you do your hat.  But, if you remove the hat before the food arrives, as you should, then no, it's no more unsanitary than leaving your hat on.  If you wait until the food arrives, doff your hat and then fluff your hair over the food, then it's probably six of one.
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« Reply #201 on: July 19, 2010, 06:39:16 pm »
How dirty is your hair? 

Filthy.  You should see the hat I just had on it.
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« Reply #202 on: July 19, 2010, 06:41:33 pm »
Filthy.  You should see the hat I just had on it.

It's like your bath towel, right?  When you get out of the shower, you're the cleanest thing in the room.  Your towel should get cleaner just by touching you.  Therefore, it's counterproductive to wash your towels.
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« Reply #203 on: July 19, 2010, 06:50:33 pm »
It's like your bath towel, right?  When you get out of the shower, you're the cleanest thing in the room.  Your towel should get cleaner just by touching you.  Therefore, it's counterproductive to wash your towels.

I personally insist on taking the clean towels out of the dryer and shrink wrap each in a protective bag.  Then, moments before getting in the shower I dust the towel holder with lysol and use prongs to place the towel on it.  Should some miscreant touch my towel after touching another dirty towel, but before taking an approved shower first, the entire house is put on lock-down.
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« Reply #204 on: July 19, 2010, 07:37:53 pm »
Bullshit.  Your hat is filthy.  Much more so than my shirt. 

What about hat-head?  Showing my hat would be more polite than showing my hair going in 18 different directions.

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« Reply #205 on: July 19, 2010, 07:58:46 pm »
Here's a WILD idea.

Take a shower before you go out in public. 

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« Reply #207 on: July 19, 2010, 08:17:14 pm »
Right.  Nevermind.

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« Reply #208 on: July 19, 2010, 09:18:14 pm »
I like them kids now-a-days that pay a stylist perfectly good money to make their hair look fucked up and all.
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« Reply #209 on: July 19, 2010, 10:16:41 pm »
The purpose of a hat is to keep things you don't want on your head and face from being on your head and face, be that rain, snow, dirt, debris, leaves, pollen, tree sap or bat shit.  I'm not sure why you're so ready to drag it across your dinner plate simply because you can.

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« Reply #210 on: July 19, 2010, 11:06:27 pm »
I take my cap off when shaking hands at the end of a round of golf (if you really want a threadjack - get me started on the lack of etiquette on the golf course).  I typically don't wear a hat, but if I do, typically I take it off indoors.  Having said that, if I'm going to or coming from, say, a ballgame at which I'm wearing an Astros cap, it stays on my head indoors and out.  Say, like at Spanish Flowers.

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« Reply #211 on: July 19, 2010, 11:27:22 pm »
While you paint a pretty picture, I'm suggesting that reality (especially at CHILI'S) fails to meet your expectations at all times.  And yet, you're not dead from a glassborn illness.  You can continue to be anal about trivial shit like dinnerware chain of possession or you can enjoy your fucking chicken sandwich.

Regardless of whether you're wearing your hat, as far as the waiter who is trained and employed by the restaurant is concerned, which of the following would you prefer?

1) the waiter who picks up everyone else's glasses to refill them, even the glass used by the guy three tables over who didn't wash his hands after taking his last dump; or

2) the waiter who only handles clean dishes, i.e., clean plates and bowls coming out of the kitchen with the food on them and clean glasses with beverages in them, and leaves it to the bus boys to clear the dirty dishes, including Mr. Dump's glass; or else at least washes his hands after touching other peoples' dishes just as he would be required to do after going out for a smoke break or taking a leak.

Seems pretty commonsensical to me, and probably required by health codes in more than a few municipalities. Dinnerware chain of possession may seem trivial to you, but I like the idea that the waiter isn't transmitting the other customers' fecal matter to my dishes.
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« Reply #212 on: July 20, 2010, 06:26:19 am »

Example: at my club, my regular foursome was playing, and we play fast.   There was a threesome in front, and they were falling drastically behind the group in front of them, such that at the turn, they were 6 holes behind....Three excruciatingly slow holes later, I called the clubhouse and told them to send someone out.


How the hell did it get that far without a ranger or starter taking care of it? Even at the private clubs I've played, slow play is hugely frowned upon.
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« Reply #213 on: July 20, 2010, 07:42:57 am »
I like them kids now-a-days that pay a stylist perfectly good money to make their hair look fucked up and all.

Hey...kids now-a-days pay to have their guitars tuned.  Talk about your lazy, don't deserve what they got crowd...
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« Reply #214 on: July 20, 2010, 07:43:54 am »
Or to hide the fact that you've had a lifelong distaste for the mop you were cursed with.

Someday, you will look back on that cursed mop with fondness.
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« Reply #215 on: July 20, 2010, 07:53:51 am »
Hey...kids now-a-days pay to have their guitars tuned.  Talk about your lazy, don't deserve what they got crowd...

Aren't there inexpensive electronic tuners, or do the cool kids not use those?

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« Reply #216 on: July 20, 2010, 08:04:36 am »
Aren't there inexpensive electronic tuners, or do the cool kids not use those?

You can buy a reliable tuner for about $15.  It takes all of 2 minutes if your guitar is reasonably close to tune, 5 minutes if it's totally whacked.  But these kids still come to my buddy and ask him to tune their guitars.  "$5", he says.  They gladly fork it over.  They either:

1.  are too lazy to tune it themselves,
2.  are too stupid to figure out how to use the simple tuner,
3.  want it tuned to something other than standard tuning and aren't smart enough to figure out how to do it themselves, or
4.  think it makes them look like a big shot to have someone else do their "menial" work like stringing and tuning their axes...like they've got a personal guitar tech.

My money is on number 1.
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« Reply #217 on: July 20, 2010, 08:11:22 am »
You can buy a reliable tuner for about $15.  It takes all of 2 minutes if your guitar is reasonably close to tune, 5 minutes if it's totally whacked.  But these kids still come to my buddy and ask him to tune their guitars.  "$5", he says.  They gladly fork it over.  They either:

1.  are too lazy to tune it themselves,
2.  are too stupid to figure out how to use the simple tuner,
3.  want it tuned to something other than standard tuning and aren't smart enough to figure out how to do it themselves, or
4.  think it makes them look like a big shot to have someone else do their "menial" work like stringing and tuning their axes...like they've got a personal guitar tech.

My money is on number 1.

That's crazy.  Strings I can see to a point, like if you're changing types of strings and need a new setup, but tuning...? 

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« Reply #218 on: July 20, 2010, 10:20:07 am »
I never really could tune a guitar very well, until I got a tuner. Other than the first time with new strings, it takes a minute or less with a tuner. I couldn't imagine paying to have a guitar tuned.  Hell, my Alvarez has a built in tuner, there's no excuse not to do it myself.
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« Reply #219 on: July 20, 2010, 11:36:25 am »
I personally insist on taking the clean towels out of the dryer and shrink wrap each in a protective bag.  Then, moments before getting in the shower I dust the towel holder with lysol and use prongs to place the towel on it.  Should some miscreant touch my towel after touching another dirty towel, but before taking an approved shower first, the entire house is put on lock-down.

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« Reply #220 on: July 20, 2010, 11:42:54 am »
How the hell did it get that far without a ranger or starter taking care of it? Even at the private clubs I've played, slow play is hugely frowned upon.

My club typically doesn't put marshalls on the course and rarely bother with a starter.  The guy who I got to come out clearly did not want to deal with the situation - his initial suggestion was for us to skip ahead then come back and play the hole we skipped later, which is complete nonsense.  Mostly, people move at a decent clip, but there seems to be some ego bullshit about not letting someone play through even though they are clearly moving faster.  Some people just need to get a clue.
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« Reply #221 on: July 20, 2010, 11:46:30 am »
Mostly, people move at a decent clip, but there seems to be some ego bullshit about not letting someone play through even though they are clearly moving faster.  Some people just need to get a clue.

I cannot fathom the ego issue in not letting somebody play through.  What's there to prove?  Why wouldn't you just want to have fun, unencumbered by the glowering rage of the people behind you?  How is anybody's sense of self worth possibly diminished by letting somebody play through? 
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« Reply #222 on: July 20, 2010, 11:48:33 am »
I cannot fathom the ego issue in not letting somebody play through.  What's there to prove?  Why wouldn't you just want to have fun, unencumbered by the glowering rage of the people behind you?  How is anybody's sense of self worth possibly diminished by letting somebody play through? 

Why do people drive 50 mph in the left lane? Because they're clueless, and unaware that their actions have an effect on other people around them.
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« Reply #223 on: July 20, 2010, 12:04:21 pm »
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I believe both are exactly the same mindset.  The a-holes are going as fast as they believe it is a appropriate to go, and so anyone going faster is being inappropriate and can wait.  It's a fantastic combination of arrogance and pedantry.

I have had the opportunity to speak to groups that have held us up in the past, and their response is always "We got around in less than 4 hours" as if 4 hours was some golf speed limit and tickets are issued for going faster.  Our foursome will get around in 3 1/4 hours when given a clean run - which is most Sunday mornings.  If you hold us up, you are cutting into our drinking time and ruining our game because we get hot, bored and angry waiting for you.

I have played my club as a twosome in 2 1/4 hours.  In England, 4 hours is a slooooooow round and a pace that will get you kicked off every private course in the country - mid-round.  Why 4 hours became enshrined in the minds of some people is beyond me.
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« Reply #224 on: July 20, 2010, 12:08:26 pm »
Why do people drive 50 mph in the left lane? Because they're clueless, and unaware that their actions have an effect on other people around them.self-centered pricks as Limey just stated.

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« Reply #225 on: July 20, 2010, 12:24:58 pm »
George Carlin said it best: anyone going slower than you is an asshole; anyone going faster is a maniac.
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« Reply #226 on: July 20, 2010, 12:47:07 pm »
Why do people drive 50 mph in the left lane? Because they're clueless, and unaware that their actions have an effect on other people around them.

The one thing I like better about living in North Carolina is that it seems like people have a handle on the "left lane is for passing only" thing a lot better.  The putterers are content to stay in the right lane.  Although making non-protected left turns does not seem to be their strong suit.  This week I've already seen 2 people freeze in the middle of the intersection when the light turned red.  And both of them just sat there blocking the intersection while the oncoming traffic approached.
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« Reply #227 on: July 20, 2010, 12:49:45 pm »
Why do people drive 50 mph in the left lane? Because they're clueless, and unaware that their actions have an effect on other people around them.

Its more likely due to density of cars on the road.  

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« Reply #228 on: July 20, 2010, 01:35:04 pm »
The one thing I like better about living in North Carolina is that it seems like people have a handle on the "left lane is for passing only" thing a lot better.  The putterers are content to stay in the right lane.  Although making non-protected left turns does not seem to be their strong suit.  This week I've already seen 2 people freeze in the middle of the intersection when the light turned red.  And both of them just sat there blocking the intersection while the oncoming traffic approached.

There is zero understanding of the highway driving "rules" amongst those under the age of 30.

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« Reply #229 on: July 20, 2010, 01:37:23 pm »
There is zero understanding of the highway driving "rules" amongst those under the age of 30.

That is not true, particularly with my wife; nothing makes her more furious than someone toodling along in the the fast lane.

I myself do not care that much on city freeways, but am very anal about behavior on long-distance, two-lane freeway driving (e.g. people who pass on the right, people who don't get over for you to pass, etc.)
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« Reply #230 on: July 20, 2010, 02:16:53 pm »
Unless its a particularly egregious situation, its usually the case that people driving "slow" in the "fast" lane speeds up the average speed of the entire road.  I've noticed me pointing this out to others doesn't stop them from getting angry.

Also, when people complain about "Austin Drivers" or "DC drivers" what they are really complaining about is the poorly designed roads.  This also does not stop them from complaining.

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« Reply #231 on: July 20, 2010, 02:42:08 pm »
Unless its a particularly egregious situation, its usually the case that people driving "slow" in the "fast" lane speeds up the average speed of the entire road.  I've noticed me pointing this out to others doesn't stop them from getting angry.

Also, when people complain about "Austin Drivers" or "DC drivers" what they are really complaining about is the poorly designed roads.  This also does not stop them from complaining.

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« Reply #232 on: July 20, 2010, 02:46:58 pm »
Also, when people complain about "Austin Drivers" or "DC drivers" what they are really complaining about is the poorly designed roads.  This also does not stop them from complaining.

As a native Austinite who has had the good fortune to have traveled and driven in 40-odd other states, I can attest to the fact that "Austin Drivers" are a peculiarly slow, insensitive and unpredictable lot. The only thing I can think of that is in their favor is that at least at the slow speeds they drive, the damage they end up doing is somewhat less.

Yes, IH35 is a complete mess but Austin isn't a difficult city to navigate. Avoiding the dangerous drivers is a different matter.
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« Reply #233 on: July 20, 2010, 02:48:28 pm »
As a native Austinite who has had the good fortune to have traveled and driven in 40-odd other states, I can attest to the fact that "Austin Drivers" are a peculiarly slow, insensitive and unpredictable lot. The only thing I can think of that is in their favor is that at least at the slow speeds they drive, the damage they end up doing is somewhat less.

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« Reply #234 on: July 20, 2010, 02:49:56 pm »
except at red lights

It took me a couple years to learn that stopping at red lights in Austin is apparently optional.
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« Reply #235 on: July 20, 2010, 02:51:17 pm »
It took me a couple years to learn that stopping at red lights in Austin is apparently optional.

In most cities, you stop a red light because it's red.

In Austin, you stop at a red light because you checked your rearview mirror and the guy behind you is stopping.
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« Reply #236 on: July 20, 2010, 02:52:13 pm »
That is not true, particularly with my wife; nothing makes her more furious than someone toodling along in the the fast lane.

I myself do not care that much on city freeways, but am very anal about behavior on long-distance, two-lane freeway driving (e.g. people who pass on the right, people who don't get over for you to pass, etc.)

There's this thing called hyperbole.  And the second part of your post is more in line about what I'm talking about.  Including and most importantly, the wave. 

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« Reply #237 on: July 20, 2010, 02:54:19 pm »
Red-light running was epidemic here in Houston.  Cameras seem to have stemmed the problem a little - but I drive a lot less now than I did so maybe it's still bad but I just don't see it (if I go straight to work and straight home after, I only hit one light...at which I turn right...often without coming to a full stop).
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« Reply #238 on: July 20, 2010, 02:58:51 pm »
I found Austin a hard city to drive in when I was in college.  Even outside I-35 (which is terrible), the hills make the roads windier which means its hard to see around corners and see street signs.  Inclines and declines always complicate traffic. Overall, there were too much traffic in too small a space.   I bet its changed a lot since I lived there though.

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« Reply #239 on: July 20, 2010, 03:02:01 pm »
In Austin, you stop at a red light because you checked your rearview mirror and the guy behind you is stopping.

Bullshit. It's pretty clear that nobody checks their rearview mirror around here.
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« Reply #240 on: July 20, 2010, 03:06:26 pm »
Why do people drive 50 mph in the left lane? Because they're clueless, and unaware that their actions have an effect on other people around them.

See also: People that lay their seats back all the way on an airplane/bus.
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« Reply #241 on: July 20, 2010, 03:08:38 pm »
See also: People that lay their seats back all the way on an airplane/bus.

Do we want to talk about people who don't adhere to the prohibition of the use of electronic devices on planes during takeoff and landing?
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« Reply #242 on: July 20, 2010, 03:10:52 pm »
See also: People that lay their seats back all the way on an airplane/bus.

As a twice daily Metro rider, I agree wholeheartedly with this.

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« Reply #243 on: July 20, 2010, 03:16:11 pm »
Do we want to talk about people who don't adhere to the prohibition of the use of electronic devices on planes during takeoff and landing?

I do adhere, but is there any actual evidence that a cell phone (or 200 cell phones) has any effect on the correct and safe operation of an airplane?

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« Reply #244 on: July 20, 2010, 03:19:43 pm »
I do adhere, but is there any actual evidence that a cell phone (or 200 cell phones) has any effect on the correct and safe operation of an airplane?

I think they've proven it doesn't (in a significant way) to the point that the FAA was satisfied.  They've moved on to the conversation about the annoyance factor to other travelers.
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« Reply #245 on: July 20, 2010, 03:28:23 pm »
I think they've proven it doesn't (in a significant way) to the point that the FAA was satisfied.  They've moved on to the conversation about the annoyance factor to other travelers.

Which is immense!  If they weren't banned, people would be yammerin' on their phones the whole flight.  The introduction of inflight wifi has opened up the potential for people to voip the whole flight, and that worries the shit out of me.
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« Reply #246 on: July 20, 2010, 03:30:43 pm »
As a native Austinite who has had the good fortune to have traveled and driven in 40-odd other states, I can attest to the fact that "Austin Drivers" are a peculiarly slow, insensitive and unpredictable lot. The only thing I can think of that is in their favor is that at least at the slow speeds they drive, the damage they end up doing is somewhat less.

Yes, IH35 is a complete mess but Austin isn't a difficult city to navigate. Avoiding the dangerous drivers is a different matter.

That's it exactly. When I first moved here, it took me all of two days to realize that there was a pattern – that everyone drove very, very, very slowly, and apparently without being aware of the presence of other drivers, lane boundaries or anything that assisted in designating when and where one should stop or go. This was before cell phones were completely common, so the sight of so many people driving around with a total lack of awareness of their surroundings was jarring to me.
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« Reply #247 on: July 20, 2010, 03:41:16 pm »
Which is immense!  If they weren't banned, people would be yammerin' on their phones the whole flight.  The introduction of inflight wifi has opened up the potential for people to voip the whole flight, and that worries the shit out of me.

I am fine with banning talking on phones, but why can't I play on my ipad during takeoff and landing? Especially annoying on hour flights when half the time is takeoff and landing.
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« Reply #248 on: July 20, 2010, 03:47:06 pm »
I do adhere, but is there any actual evidence that a cell phone (or 200 cell phones) has any effect on the correct and safe operation of an airplane?

It's not about the operation of the plane, it's about the idiots on it. The FAA doesn't want us yammering on cell phones or listening to Radiohead at 11 on our Ipods for the same reason they don't want us playing with our dicks. In case of emergency, cell phones, ipods, and floppy dicks just get in the way of a quick and orderly evacuation.

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« Reply #249 on: July 20, 2010, 03:47:10 pm »
I am fine with banning talking on phones, but why can't I play on my ipad during takeoff and landing? Especially annoying on hour flights when half the time is takeoff and landing.

I think it's because they don't want loose shit flying around the cabin if things go a bit pear-shaped.
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« Reply #250 on: July 20, 2010, 03:50:43 pm »
I am fine with banning talking on phones, but why can't I play on my ipad during takeoff and landing? Especially annoying on hour flights when half the time is takeoff and landing.

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« Reply #251 on: July 20, 2010, 03:54:46 pm »
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« Reply #252 on: July 20, 2010, 03:55:16 pm »
It's not about the operation of the plane, it's about the idiots on it. The FAA doesn't want us yammering on cell phones or listening to Radiohead at 11 on our Ipods for the same reason they don't want us playing with our dicks. In case of emergency, cell phones, ipods, and floppy dicks just get in the way of a quick and orderly evacuation.

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« Reply #253 on: July 20, 2010, 04:11:25 pm »
I was at this casino minding my own business, and this guy came up to me and said, "You're gonna have to move, you're blocking a fire exit." As though if there was a fire, I wasn't gonna run. If you're flammible and have legs, you are never blocking a fire exit. -Mitch Hedberg

I forget which comedian it was who said it, but he tells how he was sitting in an exit row and when asked if he would assist people evacuating the aircraft in an emergency, he said "Yeah.  They can draft me as I head out the door."
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« Reply #254 on: July 20, 2010, 04:23:49 pm »
This reset seems long overdue in this thread.
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« Reply #255 on: July 20, 2010, 04:29:59 pm »
I think they've proven it doesn't (in a significant way) to the point that the FAA was satisfied.  They've moved on to the conversation about the annoyance factor to other travelers.

I watched a mythbusters where they investigated that and determined that most cell phone signals do not interfere with FAA signals, but cell phone signals are becoming stronger a lot faster than airplane signals are, so it's going to likely be a serious problem one day.

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« Reply #256 on: July 20, 2010, 04:46:34 pm »
I watched a mythbusters where they investigated that and determined that most cell phone signals do not interfere with FAA signals, but cell phone signals are becoming stronger a lot faster than airplane signals are, so it's going to likely be a serious problem one day.

I take that as FACT!

Also, there aren't a lot of towers around a 35,000 feet and/or over the ocean, so reception will be patchy.
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« Reply #257 on: July 20, 2010, 04:50:55 pm »
Also, there aren't a lot of towers around a 35,000 feet and/or over the ocean, so reception will be patchy.

I don't think the height is an issue (~5 miles is easily inside a cell tower's range) but the changing of cell towers every 10 seconds might be.
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« Reply #258 on: July 20, 2010, 04:58:19 pm »
I don't think the height is an issue (~5 miles is easily inside a cell tower's range) but the changing of cell towers every 10 seconds might be.

That assumes the antennae are designed/tuned to radiate (hemi-)spherically, which may or may not be the case (I don't know).
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« Reply #259 on: July 20, 2010, 05:00:22 pm »
That assumes the antennae are designed/tuned to radiate (hemi-)spherically, which may or may not be the case (I don't know).

I was once called from a bathroom on a plane mid-flight, so I know it is at least possible somewhere

ETA: And I would have to believe they designed for it when putting these towers up in the late 90s.  AT&T may be a mickey mouse corp, but they know revenue opportunities.
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« Reply #260 on: July 20, 2010, 05:09:12 pm »
AT&T may be a mickey mouse corp, but they know revenue opportunities.

I believe linking to the Towlie thread is required whenever referencing "Mickey Mouse Corp".
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« Reply #261 on: July 20, 2010, 05:13:14 pm »
I believe linking to the Towlie thread is required whenever referencing "Mickey Mouse Corp".

Christ, we're 14 pages in.  It's about fucking time someone did. 

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I was once called from a bathroom on a plane mid-flight, so I know it is at least possible somewhere



Didn't the Heroes of Flight 93 make calls and texts messages from mid-air?

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« Reply #263 on: July 20, 2010, 05:21:26 pm »

I was about to Godwin's Law it myself.  You know who else demanded everyone take their hats off at dinner?

First they came for the bald, and I said nothing...
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Didn't the Heroes of Flight 93 make calls and texts messages from mid-air?



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« Reply #265 on: July 20, 2010, 09:58:29 pm »
I do adhere, but is there any actual evidence that a cell phone (or 200 cell phones) has any effect on the correct and safe operation of an airplane?

I was on a little regional jet today and the flight attendant told me the pilots on the smaller planes get that annoying blackberry interference buzz over the line when they're talking to the control tower.  She seemed to think it was a bigger issue with the smaller planes.

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« Reply #266 on: July 20, 2010, 10:08:08 pm »
I was on a little regional jet today and the flight attendant told me the pilots on the smaller planes get that annoying blackberry interference buzz over the line when they're talking to the control tower.  She seemed to think it was a bigger issue with the smaller planes.

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Re: Behavior in a restaurant that really chaps my ass...
« Reply #267 on: July 21, 2010, 09:01:18 am »
AT&T may be a mickey mouse corp

Surprised that Hudson has let this stand for 16 hours without the inevitable rebuttal.

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« Reply #268 on: July 21, 2010, 09:12:11 am »
Surprised that Hudson has let this stand for 16 hours without the inevitable rebuttal.

It's all just opinion, right? Except for HH, whose opinions become FACT!

For every provider, I can find people who are dissatisfied with them.  I know people who hate Verizon with a passion, same with Sprint, same with AT&T. 

I'm sure that if anyone admitted they had a Cricket phone, half of them would be unhappy too.

It's all different flavors of the same crap.

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« Reply #269 on: July 21, 2010, 10:54:02 am »
Didn't the Heroes of Flight 93 make calls and texts messages from mid-air?



Yes, but they were flying low and slow.
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« Reply #270 on: July 21, 2010, 01:29:33 pm »
It's all just opinion, right? Except for HH, whose opinions become FACT!

For every provider, I can find people who are dissatisfied with them.  I know people who hate Verizon with a passion, same with Sprint, same with AT&T. 

I'm sure that if anyone admitted they had a Cricket phone, half of them would be unhappy too.

It's all different flavors of the same crap.

I hate Sprint with a passion... just saying.  My company forces me (WFW, I know) to use Sprint for the ankle bracelet... errr... cell phone I use.  Horrible provider, I've never had these many problems with drop calls and no service in reasonable places to make a call.  As Chuck would say: turribull, just turribull.

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« Reply #271 on: July 21, 2010, 02:01:52 pm »
As Chuck would say: turribull, just turribull.

It's funny, I had Sprint way back in the dark ages and it was fine. Good, even. Hell, I didn't know how good I had it. There were a couple of spots here and there on the interstates where I'd lose coverage but by and large I had no issues. Then I got Verizon and hated it both because I hate Verizon on principle and because the phones they offered at the time were terrible. I don't recall any issues with coverage or dropped calls, though. Now, AT&T. We shan't rehash that. But my carrier down here, Mas Movil (Te da mas!), I really like them. I'm thinking of getting a used Android phone off craigslist the next time I'm in the States and popping my chip in down here just to fuck around with it. I'd love to have more real-time experience with other smart phones that might actually, you know, work as a phone now and then.
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« Reply #272 on: July 21, 2010, 02:22:19 pm »
It's funny, I had Sprint way back in the dark ages and it was fine. Good, even. Hell, I didn't know how good I had it. There were a couple of spots here and there on the interstates where I'd lose coverage but by and large I had no issues. Then I got Verizon and hated it both because I hate Verizon on principle and because the phones they offered at the time were terrible. I don't recall any issues with coverage or dropped calls, though. Now, AT&T. We shan't rehash that. But my carrier down here, Mas Movil (Te da mas!), I really like them. I'm thinking of getting a used Android phone off craigslist the next time I'm in the States and popping my chip in down here just to fuck around with it. I'd love to have more real-time experience with other smart phones that might actually, you know, work as a phone now and then.

In reality, the big guys are virtually the same unless you frequently travel away from metro areas.  In a given spot, yes, one will have an advantage over another simply because of the distance, direction and obstacles in the way of a tower.  Go 2 miles over and that advantage has switched to another.  Add to that the variables of the number of users currently on that tower (or you get booted to one further away) and the phone itself, and the personal experience the average user uses to decide that "generally speaking X is better than Y" is far too incomplete to make such a statement with any degree of certainty. I doubt most users have enough data to make an accurate comparison other than at their house or at their office, which is pretty much relevant to them alone.
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« Reply #273 on: July 21, 2010, 02:25:36 pm »
I hate Sprint with a passion... just saying.  My company forces me (WFW, I know) to use Sprint for the ankle bracelet... errr... cell phone I use.  Horrible provider, I've never had these many problems with drop calls and no service in reasonable places to make a call.  As Chuck would say: turribull, just turribull.

I enjoyed it when my prior employer moved us all from Verizon to T-Mobile.  And the rationale was "they're the largest provider in Europe."  Our offices were in Houston, Atlanta and Dallas.

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« Reply #274 on: July 21, 2010, 02:26:33 pm »
In reality, the big guys are virtually the same unless you frequently travel away from metro areas.  In a given spot, yes, one will have an advantage over another simply because of the distance, direction and obstacles in the way of a tower.  Go 2 miles over and that advantage has switched to another.  Add to that the variables of the number of users currently on that tower (or you get booted to one further away) and the phone itself, and the personal experience the average user uses to decide that "generally speaking X is better than Y" is far too incomplete to make such a statement with any degree of certainty. I doubt most users have enough data to make an accurate comparison other than at their house or at their office, which is pretty much relevant to them alone.

AT&T's signal fucking sucks ass in my office. That's the only data I have.
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« Reply #275 on: July 21, 2010, 02:37:10 pm »
AT&T's signal fucking sucks ass in my office. That's the only data I have.

My office is the same, here on the ass end of downtown.  Like a cone of AT&T silence sits on the building. 

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« Reply #276 on: July 21, 2010, 03:00:31 pm »
It's all just opinion, right? Except for HH, whose opinions become FACT!

Honestly, I'm not sure why you guys give me so much shit for my convictions.  It's not my fault I'm always right.
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« Reply #277 on: July 21, 2010, 03:53:59 pm »
Honestly, I'm not sure why you guys give me so much shit for my convictions.  It's not my fault I'm always right.

Dude, you've been in prison?

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« Reply #278 on: July 21, 2010, 04:21:50 pm »
Dude, you've been in prison?

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Re: Behavior in a restaurant that really chaps my ass...
« Reply #279 on: July 21, 2010, 04:58:59 pm »
And take your fucking hat off when you are talking to me.
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« Reply #280 on: July 21, 2010, 05:01:11 pm »
I love you assholes.
The rules of distinction were thrown out with the baseball cap.  It does not lend itself to protocol.  It is found today on youth in homes, classrooms, even in fine restaurants.  Regardless of its other consequences, this is a breach against civility.  A civilized man should avoid this mania.

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Re: Behavior in a restaurant that really chaps my ass...
« Reply #281 on: July 21, 2010, 05:08:13 pm »
I hate Sprint with a passion... just saying.  My company forces me (WFW, I know) to use Sprint for the ankle bracelet... errr... cell phone I use.  Horrible provider, I've never had these many problems with drop calls and no service in reasonable places to make a call.  As Chuck would say: turribull, just turribull.

It's been proven empirically that Chuck causes dropped calls, regardless of carrier, phone or user.
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« Reply #282 on: July 21, 2010, 05:11:57 pm »
It's been proven empirically that Chuck causes dropped calls, regardless of carrier, phone or user.

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« Reply #283 on: July 21, 2010, 05:14:10 pm »
"Just don't hold him that way."   -S. Jobs

And lo, a new TZ meme was born.
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« Reply #284 on: July 21, 2010, 06:57:05 pm »
And lo, a new TZ meme was born.

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« Reply #285 on: July 22, 2010, 10:04:21 am »
We're a hell of a team, the three of us.

We are the three best friends...
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« Reply #286 on: July 22, 2010, 03:25:21 pm »
I was at this casino minding my own business, and this guy came up to me and said, "You're gonna have to move, you're blocking a fire exit." As though if there was a fire, I wasn't gonna run. If you're flammible and have legs, you are never blocking a fire exit. -Mitch Hedberg

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« Reply #287 on: July 23, 2010, 03:51:20 pm »

For every provider, I can find people who are dissatisfied with them.  I know people who hate Verizon with a passion, same with Sprint, same with AT&T. 

I'm sure that if anyone admitted they had a Cricket phone, half of them would be unhappy too.

It's all different flavors of the same crap.

73% of iPhone users are very satisfied with AT&T's service

I like that in the cell phone service world, 73% satisfaction = 'Love'
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« Reply #288 on: July 23, 2010, 03:52:00 pm »
73% of iPhone users are very satisfied with AT&T's service

I like that in the cell phone service world, 73% satisfaction = 'Love'

What other choice do iPhone users have?
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« Reply #289 on: July 23, 2010, 04:18:20 pm »
What other choice do iPhone users have?

Blackberry.
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« Reply #290 on: July 31, 2010, 10:39:12 pm »
Doffing the cap is a respect thing; most golf etiquette is designed to avoid people getting accidentally hit with a golf ball or deliberately hit with a mashie niblick.  Off the top of my head, the stuff most commonly ignored is:

  • You mark your card at the next tee, not at the last green
  • You park your shit behind the green towards the next hole, not in front of it
  • You don’t walk into another group’s firing line, you let them all hit first then go hunt for your precious ball
  • You don’t drive past/near/around a group that’s teeing off, you stop and wait quietly for the whole group to hit
  • You repair any divots/pitch marks you see, not just your own
  • 90 degrees means 90 degrees
  • Either your score or that phone call is important.  Pick one, you can’t have both.

And lastly, two golden rules that apply in life as well as golf:

  • Your place is behind those in front, not in front of those behind; and
  • When it’s your turn, be ready

Today I played behind a batchlor party.  11 dudes and a stripper.  Slow as fuck.  The marshall said they teed off at 10:30 and I know that they quit on 17 at 3:30.  Painfully slow.  The stripper had her top off the last 8 holes.  I didn't register a complaint.  There are exceptions to every rule.
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« Reply #291 on: July 31, 2010, 11:11:56 pm »
The stripper had her top off the last 8 holes.

I believe that is scored as a double bogey.

It has rained quite a bit more than usual down here this season. The course is very, very wet and golf carts frankly have no place anywhere other than the cart path. As I've mentioned my house sits on a tee box. I often look out the back windows and see some idiot who is too lazy to walk the ten yards from the cart path to the tee box and must instead drive his cart up to the box. I would complain to the club pro but the other day I saw him park his own cart literally one foot from an elevated green in front of a friend's house. He was obviously in the middle of a lesson with two old bats but I couldn't believe it. The club pro ignoring the ALL CARTS --> sign and driving ten or fifteen feet up a green to park along side the actual putting surface. Incredible.
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« Reply #292 on: August 01, 2010, 02:08:20 pm »
Today I played behind a batchlor party.  11 dudes and a stripper.  Slow as fuck.  The marshall said they teed off at 10:30 and I know that they quit on 17 at 3:30.  Painfully slow.  The stripper had her top off the last 8 holes.  I didn't register a complaint.  There are exceptions to every rule.

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« Reply #293 on: August 01, 2010, 04:04:54 pm »
Where was that?

Star Ranch.  They have an All You Can deal right now.  AYC Breakfast, Lunch and Golf for ~$60.  Strippers are extra.
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« Reply #294 on: August 01, 2010, 04:11:31 pm »
Star Ranch.  They have an All You Can deal right now.  AYC Breakfast, Lunch and Golf for ~$60.  Strippers are extra.

I imagine they had a little trouble on 14.
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