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Carlos Lee Traded?
« on: July 15, 2010, 08:57:09 pm »
Evidently Footer was getting folks excited with her earlier tweets, as she felt the need to clarify:

Don't misunderstand the tweet folks...Carlos was not traded. He's not at the workout because he did not show up. Not an excused absence.

And yes, I'm an ass! Get over it!

Which pretty much explains the earlier tweet, bur here you go anyway:

Carlos Lee was not at workout tonight. It'll be interesting to see what the lineup is tomorrow. Maybe Bags will hit cleanup.

Anyone particularly surprised that Carlos Lee didn't show up with the team when he was supposed to?

Me either...
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« Reply #1 on: July 15, 2010, 09:08:13 pm »
Anyone particularly surprised that Carlos Lee didn't show up with the team when he was supposed to?

Me either...

I guess I am.  For someone of his stature making the coin he does, this is simply unprofessional.  And on Bagwell's first day no less...
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« Reply #2 on: July 15, 2010, 09:09:56 pm »
I guess I am.  For someone of his stature making the coin he does, this is simply unprofessional.  And on Bagwell's first day no less...

It's not out of the question that he's been screwed by some airline somewhere. Although I suppose he would have called somebody and the absence would be excused in such a case.
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« Reply #3 on: July 15, 2010, 09:40:42 pm »
must be showing one of his bulls at the rodeo.  wait, it's not march, is it?

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« Reply #4 on: July 15, 2010, 09:45:08 pm »
I guess I am.  For someone of his stature making the coin he does, this is simply unprofessional.  And on Bagwell's first day no less...

After his no-show on time to Spring Training last year, I wasn't surprised at this in the least...

Anyway, he's claiming flight issues...
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« Reply #5 on: July 15, 2010, 10:40:44 pm »
You know, I assumed he'd be down here for a couple of days and I'm quite familiar with all of the PTY-US flights and I was wondering how he'd get to Pittsburgh. There are all sorts of options, but honestly, if I were making 18 million a year I'd probably go ahead and charter a fucking plane.
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« Reply #6 on: July 15, 2010, 11:30:17 pm »
You know, I assumed he'd be down here for a couple of days and I'm quite familiar with all of the PTY-US flights and I was wondering how he'd get to Pittsburgh. There are all sorts of options, but honestly, if I were making 18 million a year I'd probably go ahead and charter a fucking plane.
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« Reply #7 on: July 15, 2010, 11:32:48 pm »
why couldn't he have gone to his ranch in boling?  you know, the one 1 1/2 hours away as opposed to the one on the equator.

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« Reply #8 on: July 15, 2010, 11:39:39 pm »
why couldn't he have gone to his ranch in boling?  you know, the one 1 1/2 hours away as opposed to the one on the equator.

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« Reply #9 on: July 16, 2010, 07:26:51 am »
Carlos will be riding the pine tonight.  About time.
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« Reply #10 on: July 16, 2010, 09:29:00 am »
Carlos Lee is not a malcontent. some of you people amaze me.
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« Reply #11 on: July 16, 2010, 09:37:52 am »
Carlos Lee is not a malcontent. some of you people amaze me.

But Jim, he's fat.  Which means he also has to be lazy.  Lazy, fat people can often be surly or dissatisfied.

Also, he speaks with an accent, which means he's probably up to something.

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« Reply #12 on: July 16, 2010, 09:44:22 am »
He isn't a malcontent, and from all accounts he is a nice guy.   He is just a shitty teammate, a lazy ass and doesn't care much about winning though.   
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« Reply #13 on: July 16, 2010, 09:47:28 am »
He isn't a malcontent, and from all accounts he is a nice guy.   He is just a shitty teammate, a lazy ass and doesn't care much about winning though.   

But if his batting average were higher I'm sure he'd be a much better teammate.
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« Reply #14 on: July 16, 2010, 09:52:33 am »
But Jim, he's fat.  Which means he also has to be lazy.  Lazy, fat people can often be surly or dissatisfied.

Also, he speaks with an accent, which means he's probably up to something.


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« Reply #15 on: July 16, 2010, 09:53:13 am »
But if his batting average were higher I'm sure he'd be a much better teammate.

There are plenty of guys who have off years and are still beloved by their teammates, take Brad Lidge for example.
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« Reply #16 on: July 16, 2010, 09:58:33 am »
There are plenty of guys who have off years and are still beloved by their teammates, take Brad Lidge for example.

Is he not beloved?  Is he less beloved?  I honestly don't know.
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« Reply #17 on: July 16, 2010, 10:06:32 am »
He's jolly!
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« Reply #18 on: July 16, 2010, 10:47:36 am »
He isn't a malcontent, and from all accounts he is a nice guy.   He is just a shitty teammate, a lazy ass and doesn't care much about winning though.   

oh, bullfuckingshit. this sort of post disgusts me.
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« Reply #19 on: July 16, 2010, 11:03:36 am »
So it is OK to rip Roy (which I think is perfectly fair) but it disgusts you when someone bashes Carlos Lee for what he is, lazy and aloof about winning.   
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« Reply #20 on: July 16, 2010, 11:05:02 am »
Carlos will be riding the pine tonight.  About time.

Being the most consistent hitter on the team the last few years not sitting well with you?
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« Reply #21 on: July 16, 2010, 11:12:29 am »
Fallas on the Lee Fallacy

“The workout was not mandatory — clubs are not allowed to make post-All-Star break workouts mandatory, but I’m still disappointed that he wasn’t there,” Wade said. “It would have been respectful if he would have been there.”

Lee contacted manager Brad Mills twice about his flight issues


I think it's silly to get angry at Lee for exercising a collectively bargained for right.  Ed, it would be respectful if you respected the CBA.

ETA:  And if he gets benched for missing a workout that the team is not allowed to require attendance at then in my opinion Lee has a pretty legitimate grievance.
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« Reply #22 on: July 16, 2010, 11:13:39 am »
So it is OK to rip Roy (which I think is perfectly fair) but it disgusts you when someone bashes Carlos Lee for what he is, lazy and aloof about winning.   

and you know this how? what i have reported here is info i have been told by a scout for one of the teams trying to trade for him.

he's lazy because he's fat and not quite white enough for you, like Andy said.
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« Reply #23 on: July 16, 2010, 11:14:10 am »
Fallas on the Lee Fallacy

“The workout was not mandatory — clubs are not allowed to make post-All-Star break workouts mandatory, but I’m still disappointed that he wasn’t there,” Wade said. “It would have been respectful if he would have been there.”

Lee contacted manager Brad Mills twice about his flight issues


I think it's silly to get angry at Lee for exercising a collectively bargained for right.  Ed, it would be respectful if you respected the CBA.

...especially as he was trying to be there, couldn't make it on time, and let them know about it.  Seriously, where's the beef?  Oh wait, I know...
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« Reply #24 on: July 16, 2010, 11:24:39 am »
and you know this how? what i have reported here is info i have been told by a scout for one of the teams trying to trade for him.

he's lazy because he's fat and not quite white enough for you, like Andy said.

So I am a racist because I disagree with you?

As for Carlos, just like Roy, his body language speaks pretty loudly.   I am not asking him to play like Biggio, but at least canter down the line would be nice.    Is not letting runners go from 1st to third on ground balls to left field, when you are playing in fucking minute maid too much to ask?   Your right though, I just dont like him cause he is brown.   Ridiculous.

As for information outside of what anyone can see with their eyes, I do have a friend who is rather close to the team, that is where I was getting the teammate information.   but of course maybe that person is making everything up because they hate carlos' south of the borderness too.
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« Reply #25 on: July 16, 2010, 11:29:41 am »
...especially as he was trying to be there, couldn't make it on time, and let them know about it.  Seriously, where's the beef?  Oh wait, I know...

You're missing the point.  He's rich.  There is nothing that we should not be able to demand from him.
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« Reply #26 on: July 16, 2010, 11:31:04 am »
So I am a racist because I disagree with you?

As for Carlos, just like Roy, his body language speaks pretty loudly.   I am not asking him to play like Biggio, but at least canter down the line would be nice.    Is not letting runners go from 1st to third on ground balls to left field, when you are playing in fucking minute maid too much to ask?   Your right though, I just dont like him cause he is brown.   Ridiculous.

As for information outside of what anyone can see with their eyes, I do have a friend who is rather close to the team, that is where I was getting the teammate information.   but of course maybe that person is making everything up because they hate carlos' south of the borderness too.

sure you were.

"Lee contacted manager Brad Mills twice about his flight issues"

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« Reply #27 on: July 16, 2010, 11:39:16 am »
He was in Panama, and Footer doesn't believe his flight issues.

From her tweets (to me!);

Footer:  that depends on how you interpret Carlos' excuse. If he told them earlier he wasn't going to be there that's one thing. He didn't. then again, you're tweeting with someone who doesn't believe one iota of the "flight problem" excuse he's giving, so I'm... probably the wrong person to be speaking objectively on this.

Me:  Was he in Panama or at the ranch? I don't think he should have to make an excuse at all. The excuse is in the CBA.

Footer:  Panama. I cannot objectively have this debate...sorry but to make yet another excuse for him because of a technicality is... something I just cannot do. Seeing things from the inside makes it absolutely 100 percent impossible. But I do get your point.
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« Reply #28 on: July 16, 2010, 11:44:12 am »
Footer hates him because he isn't white.
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« Reply #29 on: July 16, 2010, 12:20:38 pm »
I gotta say, watching Lee over the last couple of weeks he has appeared to bring his game up a notch. He runs out grounders, like the double play ball he beat out last week, and he's been hustling in the field too. Sure, he's not fast but I think he has clearly been trying harder both on the basepaths and in the field.

There's not a lot of mystery with Carlos Lee. You pay him to hit and he's delivered on that. He's had his problems this year but I expect him to get closer to back on track in the second half. He's never going to be a clubhouse leader, he shows up and he plays ball. To date, as Jim said, he's been a leading hitter on the team throughout his contract. Jumping on him for something like this because Footer smells a rat isn't enough for me yet. If she's been hearing him bitch in the clubhouse and be a malcontent, then that's something entirely different but we don't have any reports of that.
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« Reply #30 on: July 16, 2010, 12:59:59 pm »
a scout for one of the teams trying to trade for him.


That's innerresting.  I wonder who is coming around on the contract (astros paying some or teams willing to take on more) that even makes a discussion worthwhile.  It's too bad Nick Swisher decided to stop sucking.

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« Reply #31 on: July 16, 2010, 01:52:51 pm »
Footer admits a bias in her response to Bench and I wonder how much that colored the initial coverage.

mandatory practice no show, no notification = unprofessional, poor teammate

But that is worlds different from

optional practice (by rule) no show, multiple notifications = nothing, he simply didn't exceed the requirements of his employment (Hey, I'm doing that right now!)

Surely she knew the practice was not mandatory and the "not an excused absence" statement is clearly a misrepresentation of the reality that we know today and borderline libel**.

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« Reply #32 on: July 16, 2010, 01:53:29 pm »
From her tweets (to me!);

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« Reply #33 on: July 16, 2010, 02:28:30 pm »
I guess Mills and Wade are showing their bias by their comments and actions too since they basically echoed Footers position. 

“The workout was not mandatory — clubs are not allowed to make post-All-Star break workouts mandatory, but I’m still disappointed that he wasn’t there,” Wade said. “It would have been respectful if he would have been there.”

Asked about Lee’s absence, Mills said that after four days off, it would have been best to get some work in.

The answer made it seem unlikely that Lee will be in the starting lineup tonight.



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« Reply #34 on: July 16, 2010, 03:16:52 pm »
I guess Mills and Wade are showing their bias by their comments and actions too since they basically echoed Footers position. 

“The workout was not mandatory — clubs are not allowed to make post-All-Star break workouts mandatory, but I’m still disappointed that he wasn’t there,” Wade said. “It would have been respectful if he would have been there.”

Asked about Lee’s absence, Mills said that after four days off, it would have been best to get some work in.

The answer made it seem unlikely that Lee will be in the starting lineup tonight.


I disagree with this public admonishment.  The guy is a professional hitter that has been playing baseball all his life.  Would you like him to be a team leader and be there early for the voluntary workout?  Sure, I guess.  Four days off is not going adversely affect Carlos in any way that 15 minutes in the cage can't fix.  This team is in the shitter, perhaps they needed a brief break to recharge the batteries.  This summer has to be an absolute fucking grind for these vets. 

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« Reply #35 on: July 16, 2010, 03:26:27 pm »
Maybe just maybe there is more to this admonishment?  Add to that Mills is sitting him tonight.   If this was just a simple missed flight and Carlos was doing everything his manager was asking of him, do you really think that Mills and management would have reacted the way they have?

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« Reply #36 on: July 16, 2010, 03:33:06 pm »
Maybe just maybe there is more to this admonishment?  Add to that Mills is sitting him tonight.   If this was just a simple missed flight and Carlos was doing everything his manager was asking of him, do you really think that Mills and management would have reacted the way they have?



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« Reply #37 on: July 16, 2010, 03:36:26 pm »
Don't pull anything while you're reaching, buddy.

I don't know.  Between Wade, Mills, and Footers' comments, it seems that there may be some institutional weariness with Carlos.
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« Reply #38 on: July 16, 2010, 03:37:40 pm »
I don't know.  Between Wade, Mills, and Footers' comments, it seems that there may be some institutional weariness with Carlos.

That's what I read.

My inner conspiracy theorist says they may be trying to get him to waive his no-trade.
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« Reply #39 on: July 16, 2010, 03:39:29 pm »
I don't know.  Between Wade, Mills, and Footers' comments, it seems that there may be some institutional weariness with Carlos.

Maybe they're a little weary of Carlos, sure. But turning this in to some huge deal is pretty silly.

Getting benched for a game is not the end of the world. Especially not for Carlos.
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« Reply #40 on: July 16, 2010, 03:42:57 pm »
Maybe they're a little weary of Carlos, sure. But turning this in to some huge deal is pretty silly.

Getting benched for a game is not the end of the world. Especially not for Carlos.

It isn't a huge deal, it is Carlos being Carlos.   
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« Reply #41 on: July 16, 2010, 03:46:46 pm »
It isn't a huge deal, it is Carlos being Carlos.   
Which is only acceptable when you're a big fat lazy fuck that plays for the Dodgers.
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« Reply #42 on: July 16, 2010, 03:47:22 pm »
This summer has to be an absolute fucking grind for these vets. 

Seriously, just stop.
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« Reply #43 on: July 16, 2010, 03:48:33 pm »
Which is only acceptable when you're a big fat lazy fuck that plays for the Dodgers.

Can we arrange that?
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« Reply #44 on: July 16, 2010, 03:56:21 pm »
It isn't a huge deal, it is Carlos being Carlos.   

No, it's you making a big deal out of nothing and talking straight out of your ass.
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« Reply #45 on: July 16, 2010, 03:57:49 pm »
This summer has to be an absolute fucking grind for these vets. 

This summer has to be just like every other summer that these guys get paid a fortune to play baseball.  The greatest days of their fucking lives.
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« Reply #46 on: July 16, 2010, 04:24:44 pm »
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Carlos told media he was getting on a private jet and found out one of the pilot's lisences was expiring that night. Carlos had to then... ...get a waiver and pay the fees necessary to get that waiver. The process took hours and therefore caused the delay.

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Anyhoo, Mills explains Carlos's omission from today's lineup: "We had a workout last night and we deemed it important. We had four days... "...where we didn't play at all. And everyone was here, except for Carlos. We feel it's necessary for him to go through baseball things... "...that we went through last night before he he gets back in there tomorrow." Mills also said Carlos was "totally understanding" about the whole thing. "He was very good about it."
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« Reply #47 on: July 16, 2010, 04:27:10 pm »
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« Reply #48 on: July 16, 2010, 04:28:20 pm »
No, it's you making a big deal out of nothing and talking straight out of your ass.

What, making a big deal over nothing on a message board?  Who has ever heard of such a thing!

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« Reply #49 on: July 16, 2010, 04:30:59 pm »
And now Footer tweets...

"Carlos didnt call either Ed or Mills directly."

Typical.
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« Reply #50 on: July 16, 2010, 04:35:00 pm »
And now Footer tweets...

"Carlos didnt call either Ed or Mills directly."

Typical.

Typical how so?

Typical that the image of Carlos you have in your head never calls Ed or Mills?
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« Reply #51 on: July 16, 2010, 04:36:21 pm »
Typical how so?

Typical that the image of Carlos you have in your head never calls Ed or Mills?

The images in my head never even call me.
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« Reply #52 on: July 16, 2010, 04:41:29 pm »
I still think it's a bit shabby that he's apparently being punished for complying with the CBA.  If I were his union rep, I'd definately take issue with that on some nominal level, but that's probably the quibbling lawyer in me.

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« Reply #53 on: July 16, 2010, 04:42:10 pm »
I still think it's a bit shabby that he's apparently being punished for complying with the CBA.  If I were his union rep, I'd definately take issue with that on some nominal level, but that's probably the quibbling lawyer in me.

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« Reply #54 on: July 16, 2010, 04:44:58 pm »
Typical how so?

Typical that the image of Carlos you have in your head never calls Ed or Mills?

Close, but the image in my head, not only does he never call, he doesnt even speak to them because he is too busy eating.  Plus he clubs baby seals to feed to his cattle.     But the image maybe tainted since he isnt white.
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« Reply #55 on: July 16, 2010, 04:47:13 pm »
I still think it's a bit shabby that he's apparently being punished for complying with the CBA.  If I were his union rep, I'd definately take issue with that on some nominal level, but that's probably the quibbling lawyer in me.

He isn't being fined or suspended.   The manager has every right to sit whomever he wants.   
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« Reply #56 on: July 16, 2010, 04:48:31 pm »
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And thus the "nominal."  But obviously, the parties felt the issue was important enough to include in the agreement that teams are not allowed to have a mandatory practice in this situation.  The Astros are trying to get around that provision by having an optional practice but punish players if they don't attend.  That seems to be contrary to the agreement that the players and management struck. 

And yes, I realize this is a total molehill.  It just strikes me that the Astros are bent out of shape because they couldn't do something that they are not allowed to do, which doesn't seem very fair.  WFW.
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« Reply #57 on: July 16, 2010, 04:49:21 pm »
He isn't being fined or suspended.   The manager has every right to sit whomever he wants.    

Of course.  But if the motivation is to bench him because he wouldn't let them break the rules (hyperbole!) then it's a bullshit reason.  A boss can fire any at-will employee he wants, but if he fires somebody with an improper motivation, then it's improper (more hyperbole!).
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« Reply #58 on: July 16, 2010, 04:54:32 pm »
And thus the "nominal."  But obviously, the parties felt the issue was important enough to include in the agreement that teams are not allowed to have a mandatory practice in this situation.  The Astros are trying to get around that provision by having an optional practice but punish players if they don't attend.  That seems to be contrary to the agreement that the players and management struck. 

And yes, I realize this is a total molehill.  It just strikes me that the Astros are bent out of shape because they couldn't do something that they are not allowed to do, which doesn't seem very fair.  WFW.


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« Reply #59 on: July 16, 2010, 04:57:11 pm »
If this were his first 'transgression' then oh well, but its not.  Same thing last year in Spring Training where he was the only one of his teammates not to show on time for the 'voluntary' team workouts.  Yes, it annoys me. And no. Carlos Lee does not care if i am annoyed.

And yes all of this wailing and gnashing of teeth relates directly to the money Carlos is being paid, and about his lack of expected production.  If the highest paid player on the team was hitting well, and the team was doing well, I doubt folks would be nearly as annoyed at his all-to-regular lollygagging on the basepaths, and occasionally in the field. But he's not carrying his weight at the plate, and the team is doing poorly. His actions stand out, and they reflect poorly on him.  His failure to show up, or call Wade or Mills directly, appear to be more of the same. His actions appear at times wear on his teammates as well. The Keppinger stare down from a couple of months is demonstrative of this.

No, I do not know what's going on in Carlos' mind.  He may care deeply or he may not give a shit.  Even if he doesn't give a shit, however, he's getting paid enough to at least pretend like he gives a shit.  His actions often don't particularly reflect that he does. 

Do I give a shit? Enough to be annoyed for a bit and bitch about it at SnS for a couple of paragraphs, but that's about it.  Was I surprised that Carlos was the only one to miss the practice (besides Bourn - excused absence)? Not in the least. 

BTW: as for whether Footer's potential bias colored the initial coverage, if was Fallas who first reported Carlos' no-show and remarking that it was "unexcused."

And to save Jim the trouble, let me just add in response to my own post ether WFW or Fuck Off. I'm sure I've earned one or both...
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« Reply #60 on: July 16, 2010, 05:03:21 pm »
Look, Drayton asked all the guys to come back early to help move furniture around the offices so the carpet shampooers could get in and out as quickly as possible and the weekly Bunko game could go on as scheduled. AF doesn't want to say anything because she is still pissed that she got called in to help when Carlos didn't show up.

Mills is considering sitting Lee to appease Drayton and Footer. Secretly, he thinks Lee could use the rest. Carlos did just fix the BP leak during the last few days, but he didn't want to let everyone know.
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« Reply #61 on: July 16, 2010, 05:04:56 pm »
Look, Drayton asked all the guys to come back early to help move furniture around the offices so the carpet shampooers could get in and out as quickly as possible and the weekly Bunko game could go on as scheduled. AF doesn't want to say anything because she is still pissed that she got called in to help when Carlos didn't show up.

Mills is considering sitting Lee to appease Drayton and Footer. Secretly, he thinks Lee could use the rest. Carlos did just fix the BP leak during the last few days, but he didn't want to let everyone know.

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« Reply #62 on: July 16, 2010, 05:05:44 pm »
...But he's not carrying his weight at the plate...

I dunno, what's he hitting? 240? That seems pretty close.
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« Reply #63 on: July 16, 2010, 05:06:11 pm »
Yes, it annoys me. And no. Carlos Lee does not care if i am annoyed.

I just don't understand why *you're* so annoyed at *someone else* exercising *HIS* employment benefits.  Do I need to give you a call the next time I want to schedule vacation?
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« Reply #64 on: July 16, 2010, 05:06:55 pm »
I dunno, what's he hitting? 240? That seems pretty close.

Close to what?  Albert Pujols is hitting closer to Lee's weight than Lee is.
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« Reply #65 on: July 16, 2010, 05:10:39 pm »
Close to what?  Albert Pujols is hitting closer to Lee's weight than Lee is.

I'm trying to be sensitive here. No need to give the fatass a complex.
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« Reply #66 on: July 16, 2010, 05:11:30 pm »
I just don't understand why *you're* so annoyed at *someone else* exercising *HIS* employment benefits.  Do I need to give you a call the next time I want to schedule vacation?

Actually, being asked to pay $20 for a 4-pack of razors annoys me. Kinda pisses me off in fact.  Hence, the use of the cheap(er) shit. That Carlos Lee missed yet another voluntary team activity is more of an irritation. Better?
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« Reply #67 on: July 16, 2010, 05:13:48 pm »
Do I need to give you a call the next time I want to schedule vacation?

No, but as one of the multitude of HudsonHawk groupies it'd certainly be nice if you did!
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« Reply #68 on: July 16, 2010, 05:16:27 pm »
Close to what?  Albert Pujols Miguel Cabrera is hitting closer to Lee's weight than Lee is.

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« Reply #69 on: July 16, 2010, 05:18:47 pm »
I'm trying to be sensitive here. No need to give the fatass a complex.

We appreciate that, but you're under oath now, and I think unpleasant as it may be, we'd all just as soon hear the truth.
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« Reply #70 on: July 16, 2010, 05:22:47 pm »
I'm trying to be sensitive here. No need to give the fatass a complex.

So that I understand you. Are you saying that Prince Fielder lurks at SnS?
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« Reply #71 on: July 16, 2010, 05:22:58 pm »
I just don't understand why *you're* so annoyed at *someone else* exercising *HIS* employment benefits.  Do I need to give you a call the next time I want to schedule vacation?

I think I can understand, but I know it is also unreasonable. I will get annoyed if my son, wife, brother, etc. do not live up to what I think is appropriate respect for their job. I know it is none of my business if they are doing what they think is their right under their job agreement.

(I will get pissed at myself for not going all out, too, but I have a crazy idea in my head that I will learn to be mature enough to realize how lucky I am to have good work to support my family.)

I could say that MLB umpires get paid well and have a nice offseason and probably don't need 30 days of vacation during the season, and many people would have no problem with that comment. I can see someone saying a MLB player makes a lot of money, is young-ish, and healthy, is playing a game I only wish I could play, and they could be dedicated enough to show up even if it weren't mandatory, realizing the blessings they have. Really, I have no idea if Lee had been taking care of starving kids on their death beds or chasing tail at a local bar and the time got away from him. It shouldn't matter. I know there are inappropriate times for me to take a break, but for reasons I don't want to have to explain, I feel like I need a little time for myself. I don't get it, maybe, but I can understand when other people do.

Basically, I am saying I can understand both sides of the story, but I wanted to try and type as much as Noe without really taking a good side to the argument.
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« Reply #72 on: July 16, 2010, 05:24:21 pm »
Basically, I am saying I can understand both sides of the story, but I wanted to try and type as much as Noe without really taking a good side to the argument.

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« Reply #73 on: July 16, 2010, 05:27:16 pm »
I just don't understand why *you're* so annoyed at *someone else* exercising *HIS* employment benefits.  Do I need to give you a call the next time I want to schedule vacation?

Exercising his employment benefit would have been to say, hey guys, I aint showing up.    He had the right to not be there, no debate there.   So tell Mills or Ed, when they scheduled the practice, that you dont plan on being there.  That would be the professional thing to do. 
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« Reply #74 on: July 16, 2010, 05:38:50 pm »
Damn...I guess this is the type of thread you get during a really, really shitty season.  Thanks to Jacksonian, Duman and OSF for all the great information over at the Bus Ride.

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« Reply #75 on: July 16, 2010, 05:52:56 pm »
Exercising his employment benefit would have been to say, hey guys, I aint showing up.    He had the right to not be there, no debate there.   So tell Mills or Ed, when they scheduled the practice, that you dont plan on being there.  That would be the professional thing to do. 


He says he planned on being there.
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« Reply #76 on: July 16, 2010, 06:43:43 pm »
Well then he wasn't exercising his employment benefits.
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« Reply #77 on: July 16, 2010, 07:32:35 pm »
The whole affair is unfortunate. I think that Lee should have made the workout. However, the club seems to have overreacted in my opinion. Nevertheless, Bourgeois has played very well tonight thus far.
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« Reply #78 on: July 16, 2010, 07:34:53 pm »
Well then he wasn't exercising his employment benefits.

How so?  He's not required to be there.  He wasn't.  He called and said he wasn't going to make it.  Furthermore, he's not *your* employee.  Face it, you have no legitimate gripe here, you're just complaining for the sake of complaining.
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« Reply #79 on: July 16, 2010, 07:50:34 pm »
Face it, you have no legitimate gripe here, you're just complaining for the sake of complaining.

Clearly I misunderstood...was that not the focus of this forum?

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« Reply #80 on: July 16, 2010, 07:57:57 pm »
How so?  Can you give me a quote that states from Lee that he was *exercising* his *employment benefits*?    No you can't.  Because he wasn't.  He simply missed a practice that he had been asked to be at.   It had absolutely nothing to do with Carlos using the collective bargaining agreement to not attend.  You are smart, you *know* that, but you are just arguing to argue.

And to top it off, instead of being a professional and calling his boss, he just didnt inform them. 

As for Carlos being my employee, I never once said or inferred that.   But you know whose employee he *is*?  Ed Wade's and Brad Mills'.   I guess their public browbeating and benching were just complaining for the sake of complaining to you.
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« Reply #81 on: July 16, 2010, 08:03:29 pm »
But you know whose employee he *is*?  Ed Wade's and Brad Mills'. 

I could be wrong about this, but I don't think either of those dudes sign Lee's check.   He ain't their employee; he's their subordinate.

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« Reply #82 on: July 16, 2010, 08:06:05 pm »
Clearly I misunderstood...was that not the focus of this forum?

Not only that but, making a big deal out of nothing and talking out your ass have also been admonished in this thread.   I mean, without those things there might be less than a post a day on any forum any where.

Also, just an FYI, if you talk bad about Carlos it means you hate non-whites.

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« Reply #83 on: July 16, 2010, 08:07:00 pm »
I could be wrong about this, but I don't think either of those dudes sign Lee's check.   He ain't their employee; he's their subordinate.

Close enough.
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« Reply #84 on: July 16, 2010, 08:08:56 pm »
Also, just an FYI, if you talk bad about Carlos it means you hate non-whites.

This is a totally unfair statement.   I just hate Hispanics and black people.

And Asians.

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Re: Carlos Lee Traded?
« Reply #85 on: July 16, 2010, 08:10:21 pm »
This is a totally unfair statement.   I just hate Hispanics and black people.

And Asians.

Agree, I hate the Dutch and they are white.
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« Reply #86 on: July 16, 2010, 08:12:53 pm »
This is a totally unfair statement.   I just hate Hispanics and black people.

And Asians.

Don't forget Gypsies.
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Re: Carlos Lee Traded?
« Reply #87 on: July 16, 2010, 08:42:59 pm »
Don't forget Gypsies.

I didn't realize we had to actually say that out loud.   Are there people who LIKE Gypsies?

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Re: Carlos Lee Traded?
« Reply #88 on: July 16, 2010, 08:45:05 pm »
I didn't realize we had to actually say that out loud.   Are there people who LIKE Gypsies?

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« Reply #89 on: July 16, 2010, 08:50:06 pm »
I didn't realize we had to actually say that out loud.   Are there people who LIKE Gypsies?

You tell me.
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« Reply #90 on: July 16, 2010, 08:59:53 pm »
You tell me.

I.   I'm.   I'm gonna need a lot of beer.

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« Reply #91 on: July 16, 2010, 09:00:29 pm »
Damn 'Gyptians.
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« Reply #92 on: July 16, 2010, 09:03:46 pm »
Damn 'Gyptians.

That's where the Persian chicks are from, right?  Because I met this green eyed girl from Persia once and I still see her in your dreams.

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« Reply #93 on: July 16, 2010, 09:06:36 pm »
I didn't realize we had to actually say that out loud.   Are there people who LIKE Gypsies?

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« Reply #94 on: July 16, 2010, 09:07:19 pm »
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Re: Carlos Lee Traded?
« Reply #95 on: July 16, 2010, 09:08:41 pm »
I said PEOPLE.

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« Reply #96 on: July 16, 2010, 09:09:47 pm »
That's where the Persian chicks are from, right?  Because I met this green eyed girl from Persia once and I still see her in your dreams.

Was her name Yasmine?
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« Reply #97 on: July 16, 2010, 09:10:14 pm »
Was her name Yasmine?

I'd STILL hit that bitch.  I don't care about the drug and mental problems.

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« Reply #98 on: July 16, 2010, 09:30:44 pm »
I once, late at night, about 20 years ago, was taking the Metro from a dinner engagement near The Sorbonne back to my hostel near the Pere Lachaise cemetery. During a stop in one of the underground stations on the way back, a band of Gypsies boarded the train and surrounded me.  I got just a little bit scared. One of the bigger ones, who also seemed like the leader, got right up in my face. His mouth was about two inches from my mouth. I was about to freak, when one of the others started strumming a guitar and doing a really nice job, then the leader broke out into song. It was beautiful, I didn't understand a word and he was all up in my grill but I managed to calm down and appreciated the fact that they were drunker than I was and better musicians. After the song they settled down and left me alone, and when I got off the train I told them bye, as though they were my new best friends, which they were for the time being.
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Re: Carlos Lee Traded?
« Reply #99 on: July 16, 2010, 10:18:46 pm »
How so?  Can you give me a quote that states from Lee that he was *exercising* his *employment benefits*?

He wasn't required, by his collectively bargained for right, and he called and said he couldn't make it. End of story. He does not need a reason. Furthermore, it's of absolutely zero concern of yours,  other than you're just a whiner. It's what you do.
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« Reply #100 on: July 17, 2010, 10:19:12 am »
I once, late at night, about 20 years ago, was taking the Metro from a dinner engagement near The Sorbonne back to my hostel near the Pere Lachaise cemetery. During a stop in one of the underground stations on the way back, a band of Gypsies boarded the train and surrounded me.  I got just a little bit scared. One of the bigger ones, who also seemed like the leader, got right up in my face. His mouth was about two inches from my mouth. I was about to freak, when one of the others started strumming a guitar and doing a really nice job, then the leader broke out into song. It was beautiful, I didn't understand a word and he was all up in my grill but I managed to calm down and appreciated the fact that they were drunker than I was and better musicians. After the song they settled down and left me alone, and when I got off the train I told them bye, as though they were my new best friends, which they were for the time being.

Did you check your pockets after you got off the train?

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« Reply #101 on: July 17, 2010, 10:27:13 am »
What do voluntary mean?
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« Reply #102 on: July 17, 2010, 12:10:29 pm »
What do voluntary mean?

Apparently it means show up or Navin R. Johnson iwll hate you forever....and ever and ever.
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« Reply #103 on: July 17, 2010, 01:00:18 pm »
Apparently it means show up or Navin R. Johnson iwll hate you forever....and ever and ever.


Kind of like my boss who believes "vacation" is Latin for "work from home".
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Re: Carlos Lee Traded?
« Reply #104 on: July 18, 2010, 09:58:46 am »
Trying to trade for Roy, not Carlos
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Re: Carlos Lee Traded?
« Reply #105 on: July 19, 2010, 12:56:05 pm »
What do voluntary mean?

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