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« Reply #500 on: June 09, 2010, 01:45:18 pm »
Rd. 41, #1233: R/R, RF, Bryce Lane, J2, Gulf Coast Community College, FL
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« Reply #501 on: June 09, 2010, 01:54:02 pm »
Not to argue, Heck was quoted as saying they like his versatility, viewed as a major plus.  They will take a look at him at 3B, as they believe he has the athleticism to play infield.  I think that's the comment he was responding to. 

Oh, okay.  But seems odd to be projecting the kid this early.  He hasn't even signed yet. I don't think anyone can say now if he'll even be tried at third until they actually take him to Florida for Instructionals.  I believe he's going to start his rookie ball right where he plays right now.

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« Reply #502 on: June 09, 2010, 01:54:32 pm »
I'm curious how Boras will advise Jones in this instance.  From a pure 'Boras is a money-grubbing slut' perspective, I'd think it would be 'play the school angle hard, I'll raise a stink about the Astros being cheap and then we'll take our best money on the eve of the signing deadline.'  If he won't be a draft-eligible Sophomore (I'm too lazy to look it up right now) then. with the LSU commitment he won't be eligible for the draft until 2013.  Given the way that Selig in beating the drums about a hard slotting system agreement in the next CBA(?) in 2012(?), I have to think it will be implemented by 2013.  Then what is the kid going to do?  Roll the dice, hope he is a top 5 pick and get $2.5M to $3.0M, or take $1.5M or so, an additional 'college fund' from the club (Houston has added college money to the deal for a number of younger draftees), and start his career now.  Somehow (given the 'Boras is a money-grubbing slut' factor) I'm guessing (hoping) it will be the latter...
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So what you are saying is you hope the greed of Boras advises him to sign for as much as he can get now, cause the new CBA might make it difficult for him to sign for as much next time.

Ok... I hope so too.

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« Reply #503 on: June 09, 2010, 01:56:09 pm »
Rd. 42, #1263: R/R, RHP, Paul Gerrish, SR, TCU
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« Reply #504 on: June 09, 2010, 01:57:00 pm »
Oh, okay.  But seems odd to be projecting the kid this early.  He hasn't even signed yet. I don't think anyone can say now if he'll even be tried at third until they actually take him to Florida for Instructionals.  I believe he's going to start his rookie ball right where he plays right now.

That's what they're going to do with DeShields.  Give him time to acclimate to the pros.  Don't burden him with a new position right away.  Get him to his new position at fall instructs and then go from there.
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« Reply #505 on: June 09, 2010, 01:57:03 pm »
Rd. 42, #1263: R/R, RHP, Paul Gerrish, SR, TCU

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« Reply #506 on: June 09, 2010, 01:58:05 pm »
Oh, okay.  But seems odd to be projecting the kid this early.  He hasn't even signed yet. I don't think anyone can say now if he'll even be tried at third until they actually take him to Florida for Instructionals.  I believe he's going to start his rookie ball right where he plays right now.
Having had no life when drafts have rolled around previously I know that when players are drafted the team asked MLB to list them as <instert_position_name_here> which to me at least indicates where they plan to play them at first when they get them under club control.  Obviously this is a bigger deal when a player could be either a pitcher or position player, but I believe it still holds true in cases like this too.

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« Reply #507 on: June 09, 2010, 02:00:12 pm »
World Series, here we come.

Thanks a lot. I was hoping this would just quietly float on by.
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« Reply #508 on: June 09, 2010, 02:02:12 pm »
Thanks a lot. I was hoping this would just quietly float on by.

Yeah, but UT players got selected earlier.
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« Reply #509 on: June 09, 2010, 02:05:45 pm »
Someone is turning into Noe...

So what you are saying is you hope the greed of Boras advises him to sign for as much as he can get now, cause the new CBA might make it difficult for him to sign for as much next time.

Ok... I hope so too.

The difference is Noe knows, I just blather...

I do know that as an attorney you advise your clients of all of the considerations (to the best of your ability) that should be taken in to account when making a 'settlement' decision.  I'd think the 'advisor' (or agent) responsibilities would be no different, and think negotiating a draftee contract not dissimilar to negotiating a monetary settlement in a civil case.

I believe that by 2013, there will be a hard slotting system in place for the draft, and Boras SURELY is advising his potentially affected draftees of this.

Moreover, from a purely jaded perspective do you really hire Boras as an agent if your real goal is to go to college (as opposed to draining every last penny, and then some, out of the club pursuing you)?  Maybe, but count me as skeptical...
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« Reply #510 on: June 09, 2010, 02:08:39 pm »
Rd. 43, #1293: R/R, SS, DeMarcus Henderson, Wayne County HS, MS.  MLB scouting video
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« Reply #511 on: June 09, 2010, 02:29:00 pm »
Rd. 44, #1323: R/R, RHP, Alexis Garza, McAllen HS, TX
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« Reply #512 on: June 09, 2010, 02:48:26 pm »
Rd. 45, #1353: R/R, SS, Ian Vazquez, Perkiomen School (HS)

Rd, 46, #1383: L/L, LHP, Lawrence Pardo, Christopher Columbus HS, FL.
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« Reply #513 on: June 09, 2010, 02:50:18 pm »
If I had a kid who was top 10 round talent, I would take the money and run.  Get them to pay for college in the deal.  You can always go back to school but you can't always go back and play pro ball.  Every year, there are kids who were drafted who pass up to improve their stock and it doesn't.  That is a gamble I am not sure I want to take.  

BTW the other LSU kid from a few years ago was Chad Jones.  He was drafted in the 3rd round of the NFL draft by the NY Giants as a safety.  
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« Reply #514 on: June 09, 2010, 02:51:51 pm »
Callis takes up for the F.O.:

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Jim Callis: I don't think the Astros are trying to be cheap. I just think the Astros like who they like, differ from the consensus and don't care. They take the guys they want. Heck's first two drafts have pumped some life into a system that was on life support.


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« Reply #515 on: June 09, 2010, 02:53:13 pm »
If you can't figure out that Astros doesn't have an apostrophe, you shouldn't be able to comment.
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« Reply #516 on: June 09, 2010, 02:53:51 pm »
When August 16th passes and the Astros fail to sign JaCoby Jones due to his high bonus demands, we will once again be treated to a chorus of clownishness from self-appointed experts who can't let an inning pass without cracking on Drayton McLane. Sure, I love to spend the filthy rich's money as much as the next guy, but I can also understand why ownership might refuse to go way beyond slot for a teen-aged prospect who makes exorbitant demands because he has other options. No matter the talent, a prospect is still just a prospect and the MLB draft is a huge crapshoot. Chad Jones reportedly wanted 1.5-2mm to sign with the Astros in 2007, but there were questions about his commitment to baseball. As it turned out, those questions weren't without merit...

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The Astros got rightfully skewered for the shitty 2007 draft, but one of the names most frequently used against them was Chad Jones. Not offering him what he wanted proved to be the right move in hindsight, but three years later none of the internet jagoffs can be bothered to grudgingly admit the Astros got that one right. If a kid isn't committed to baseball, you don't offer him a ton of money only to watch him give it up for a football career.  

 

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« Reply #517 on: June 09, 2010, 02:54:54 pm »
If I had a kid who was top 10 round talent, I would take the money and run.  Get them to pay for college in the deal.  You can always go back to school but you can't always go back and play pro ball.  Every year, there are kids who were drafted who pass up to improve their stock and it doesn't.  That is a gamble I am not sure I want to take.  

BTW the other LSU kid from a few years ago was Chad Jones.  He was drafted in the 3rd round of the NFL draft by the NY Giants as a safety.  

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« Reply #518 on: June 09, 2010, 03:00:04 pm »
The Astros got rightfully skewered for the shitty 2007 draft, but one of the names most frequently used against them was Chad Jones. Not offering him what he wanted proved to be the right move in hindsight, but three years later none of the internet jagoffs can be bothered to grudgingly admit the Astros got that one right. If a kid isn't committed to baseball, you don't offer him a ton of money only to watch him give it up for a football career. 

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« Reply #519 on: June 09, 2010, 03:06:59 pm »
Three-year attention spans are in short supply nowadays.
So are Three-minute attention spans.... Hey look at that shiny penny just sitting there...

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« Reply #520 on: June 09, 2010, 03:07:56 pm »
Rd. 47, #1413: R/R, SS, Joseph Carcone, New Hartford HS, NY
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« Reply #521 on: June 09, 2010, 03:08:50 pm »
As it turns out the 2007 draft was great in terms of evaluating talent, just not so much in identifying signability. 
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« Reply #522 on: June 09, 2010, 03:10:43 pm »
So are Three-minute attention spans.... Hey look at that shiny penny just sitting there...

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« Reply #523 on: June 09, 2010, 03:14:51 pm »
Rd. 48, #1443: R/R, RHP, Thomas 'TJ' Pecoraro, Half Hallow Hills West HS, NY.  MLB scouting video
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« Reply #524 on: June 09, 2010, 03:18:30 pm »
My boss' son just got drafted in the 47th round by the Cubs. Pretty cool. Clayton Crum / Klein HS. He is/was an Ohio State commit and is less than a year removed from TJ surgery. BUT in his last three appearances in the playoffs he's tossed a 1 hitter, 2 hitter and 4 hitter without giving up any runs, all complete games. In those starts he has topped out at 94 and still been at 92 in the 7th. Daddy put a huge price tag on signing him even with calls in the 10th and 21st rounds asking if it was firm.
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« Reply #525 on: June 09, 2010, 03:23:43 pm »
That's what they're going to do with DeShields.  Give him time to acclimate to the pros.  Don't burden him with a new position right away.  Get him to his new position at fall instructs and then go from there.

Yeah, that whole "move him to third" or "move him to second (in DeShield's case)" doesn't usually happen at rookie ball.  It happens at instructs where they'll find out if that is a fit or not.  Reminds me of the time they drafted Mitch Einertson (who was a CF) with the intent to move him to second base.  They let him play outfield in rookie ball and they were really happy with his offense.  Then the kid went to Instructs and washed out as a second baseman.  He also allowed his demons to catch up with him at Instructs too.

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« Reply #526 on: June 09, 2010, 03:24:59 pm »
While I don't understand the thinking in turing down $1Mil, for it.  I have a nephew who just completed his Soph year in HS and was part of this Texas team of all-stars in Ok City this past week.  He even had a walk off 3-run HR that my sister said was pretty impressive.  Anyway, I asked her about the draft and such since I know he has to have been scouted for as good as he supposedly is.  Her response made it clear that SHE wants him to go to college, and then after a degree think about professional ball.  Supposedly he wants to stay close to home in Houston, so my guess is the common goal of mom and son will be Rice, although she is a UofH grad, so you never know.

But I am interested to see if he is truly good enough to be offered something like a $1 Mil if my nephew will forego College for Minor League ball.  And just for the record he does get good grades (at least to this point).



Well, let's see our college grad option over a million signing bonus (after tax).  

College is only going to pay your way through a Bachelor's.  Not sure what a Bachelor's degree starting salary averages these days, but let's say 60k.  Government takes 20k.  Leaving him 40k.  He finds a way to live on 30k a year and saves the rest.  Putting away 10k each year.  He is really smart, works the system incredibly well, and manages a 10k increase in salary every 5th year.  Each time his salary increases, he puts the extra away for retirement.

After 30 years, out college grad has saved $1,050,000.  No kids, no way he could afford those.  Wife had a job that paid for herself and her retirement.  He is 53.  Wonder what he thinks about that piece of paper now?

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« Reply #527 on: June 09, 2010, 03:26:35 pm »
Well, let's see our college grad option over a million signing bonus (after tax). 

College is only going to pay your way through a Bachelor's.  Not sure what a Bachelor's degree starting salary averages these days, but let's say 60k.  Government takes 20k.  Leaving him 40k.  He finds a way to live on 30k a year and saves the rest.  Putting away 10k each year.  He is really smart, works the system incredibly well, and manages a 10k increase in salary every 5th year.  Each time his salary increases, he puts the extra away for retirement.

After 30 years, out college grad has saved $1,050,000.  No kids, no way he could afford those.  Wife had a job that paid for herself and her retirement.  He is 53.  Wonder what he thinks about that piece of paper now?

His effective tax rate is no where near 33% on a 60k salary.  Unless you're assuming the Obamas stay in office for a long time.

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« Reply #528 on: June 09, 2010, 03:29:16 pm »
Rd. 49, #1473: R/R, C, Kenny Diaz, Colegio Angel David HS

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« Reply #529 on: June 09, 2010, 03:32:46 pm »
If I had a kid who was top 10 round talent, I would take the money and run.  Get them to pay for college in the deal.  You can always go back to school but you can't always go back and play pro ball.  Every year, there are kids who were drafted who pass up to improve their stock and it doesn't.  That is a gamble I am not sure I want to take.  

BTW the other LSU kid from a few years ago was Chad Jones.  He was drafted in the 3rd round of the NFL draft by the NY Giants as a safety.  

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« Reply #530 on: June 09, 2010, 03:33:23 pm »
OSF, exactly, I was thinking the same thing, but Daddy is on cloud nine right now, that's probably the last thing on his mind.
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« Reply #531 on: June 09, 2010, 03:33:34 pm »
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« Reply #533 on: June 09, 2010, 03:34:23 pm »
Rd. 48, #1443: R/R, RHP, Thomas 'TJ' Pecoraro, Half Hallow Hills West HS, NY.  MLB scouting video

Hey, ho, fogitabowit, hey, yo. Any way, the more I watch these high schoolers pitch, the more I'm amazed how well they use their legs to generate the power.  Bodes well for mechanics to be slightly adjusted and they increase their power once they fill in the body with more weight.  Some of the arm drop bothers me a bit, but reminds me of how kids get into habits to try and generate power with their arms instead of just letting the whole body work for you.  Lots of correctable problems if all you're worried about is where the elbow is dropping at release points.

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« Reply #534 on: June 09, 2010, 03:34:36 pm »
Yeah, that whole "move him to third" or "move him to second (in DeShield's case)" doesn't usually happen at rookie ball.  It happens at instructs where they'll find out if that is a fit or not.  Reminds me of the time they drafted Mitch Einertson (who was a CF) with the intent to move him to second base.  They let him play outfield in rookie ball and they were really happy with his offense.  Then the kid went to Instructs and washed out as a second baseman.  He also allowed his demons to catch up with him at Instructs too.

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« Reply #535 on: June 09, 2010, 03:35:09 pm »
Rd. 43, #1293: R/R, SS, DeMarcus Henderson, Wayne County HS, MS.  MLB scouting video

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« Reply #537 on: June 09, 2010, 03:48:33 pm »
Rd. 50, #1503: R/R, CF, David Donald, JL Mann HS, SC
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« Reply #538 on: June 09, 2010, 03:50:50 pm »
His effective tax rate is no where near 33% on a 60k salary.  Unless you're assuming the Obamas stay in office for a long time.

2009 Federal Tax Bracket (filed single):
10% Bracket   $0 – $8,375
15% Bracket   $8,375 – $34,000
25% Bracket   $34,000 – $82,400
28% Bracket   $82,400 – $171,850
33% Bracket   $171,850 – $373,650
35% Bracket   $373,650+

NY State Tax Rate:
If your income range is $20,001 and over, your tax rate on every dollar of income earned is 6.85%.

Not to mention 8.25% Sales tax on non-food purchases

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« Reply #539 on: June 09, 2010, 03:54:30 pm »
OSF, exactly, I was thinking the same thing, but Daddy is on cloud nine right now, that's probably the last thing on his mind.

As he should be, that is AWESOME (whether it be by the Cubs or the Braves, or hell even the Jakes..). 
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« Reply #540 on: June 09, 2010, 03:54:54 pm »
Speaking of Chad Jones... he was just drafted by Milwaukee in the 50th round.
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« Reply #541 on: June 09, 2010, 03:55:25 pm »
2009 Federal Tax Bracket (filed single):
10% Bracket   $0 – $8,375
15% Bracket   $8,375 – $34,000
25% Bracket   $34,000 – $82,400
28% Bracket   $82,400 – $171,850
33% Bracket   $171,850 – $373,650
35% Bracket   $373,650+

NY State Tax Rate:
If your income range is $20,001 and over, your tax rate on every dollar of income earned is 6.85%.

Not to mention 8.25% Sales tax on non-food purchases


You get to take a deduction for sales tax, and when did this kid move to New York?

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« Reply #542 on: June 09, 2010, 04:04:03 pm »
For those of you paying attention, we just promoted OSF to moderator.  Cry for him.

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Re: Draft 2010
« Reply #543 on: June 09, 2010, 04:08:30 pm »
Social Security and Medicare in those numbers or not?

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« Reply #544 on: June 09, 2010, 04:08:46 pm »
Thrilled, but still waiting on my pointy-hat in the mail for post #5000.  Who do I talk to about that?

Here it is.
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« Reply #545 on: June 09, 2010, 04:18:16 pm »
Social Security and Medicare in those numbers or not?

Just punt!  33% or 26%, the point stands.
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« Reply #546 on: June 09, 2010, 04:19:17 pm »
Here it is.

Bookmark that.  You'll need it in a few hours
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« Reply #547 on: June 09, 2010, 04:20:59 pm »
Bookmark that.  You'll need it in a few hours

If I don't go on one of those droughts, stuck at HR #399 or some such...
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Re: Draft 2010
« Reply #548 on: June 09, 2010, 04:26:37 pm »
If I don't go on one of those droughts, stuck at HR #399 or some such...

Better make #5000 memorable.  I know just the post you should make too...
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Re: Draft 2010
« Reply #549 on: June 09, 2010, 04:29:56 pm »
Better make #5000 memorable.  I know just the post you should make too...

It would be nice if it worked out that way, but since I have to make some more TV tonight it's likely as not that I'll miss whatever shining opportunities that might come.
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« Reply #550 on: June 09, 2010, 05:34:47 pm »
It's my estimation that every man ever got a statue made of 'em was one kinda sombitch or another.

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Re: Draft 2010
« Reply #551 on: June 09, 2010, 05:39:03 pm »
For those of you paying attention, we just promoted OSF to moderator.  Cry for him.

Well deserved.
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Re: Draft 2010
« Reply #552 on: June 09, 2010, 06:07:36 pm »
And let the feel good draftee stories begin!  (and I'm a sap, I'll admit it, but these are fun...) 

Ron Moshier at the Observer-Dispatch on Joe Carcone, the Astros 47th round pick, finding out he'd been drafted by the Astros.  LINK (just a taste, read the whole story... An early front-runner on the 2009 inaugural "SnS Bubby Williams Pulling for a Prospect to 'Make it to the Show' Award??).

“It was the 45th round of the draft, I was getting a little nervous and I figured, just five more picks. 
 No chance,” Carcone said. “I was just thinking if it was going to happen, I'd hear it from my dad.”

Not long after leaving the house and missing the last five rounds of the draft, “it” happened.

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“At first, I just couldn't believe it. I didn't know what to say,” an emotional Joe Carcone said not long after hearing the news. “Ever since I was 5 years old, I've been working hard at it, just hoping to have the chance. Two years ago, I just wanted to play Division I baseball, but you shoot for the moon and finally, when a guy tells you that you have this chance, that makes you work even harder.

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[Carcone] must have made a good impression last week, when the Astros invited him to Houston to participate in an elite camp at Minute Maid Park.

“Down in Houston, I just went there and said, 'This is me. I'll give you what I've got. I'll show you who I am,'” Carcone said. “I just wanted to show them what kind of player and person I am.”
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Re: Draft 2010
« Reply #553 on: June 09, 2010, 07:48:54 pm »
Go PSU TV post-draft interview with Astros 5th round pick Ben Heath.  LINK w/ some game video (h/t to Crawfish Boxes for the link)

Did you know... Heath was coached at Penn State by former Astros first round pick Robbie Wine (8th overall pick in 1983).
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Re: Draft 2010
« Reply #554 on: June 09, 2010, 11:12:01 pm »
If you can't figure out that Astros doesn't have an apostrophe, you shouldn't be able to comment.

Thanks Ron -- at long last found my signature for this site.
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« Reply #555 on: June 09, 2010, 11:21:42 pm »
Thanks Ron -- at long last found my signature for this site.

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Re: Draft 2010
« Reply #556 on: June 10, 2010, 02:23:12 am »
You know something? There exists a former Astros General Manager that I happened to stumble across poring over Fundrace once upon a time who listed his profession as 'GENERAL MANAGER HOUSTON ASTRO'S BASEBELL TEAM.'

Apparently the caps lock key didn't work on his keyboard.

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Re: Draft 2010
« Reply #557 on: June 10, 2010, 04:45:45 am »
why are you making this decision?

Poor choice of words, it is is the kids decision.  But we all know what good decisions we all made at 18.  I would advise my kid and would have him talk to his adviser.  I might even call my lawyer friend JimR to ask for input.
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Re: Draft 2010
« Reply #558 on: June 10, 2010, 07:29:21 am »
You know something? There exists a former Astros General Manager that I happened to stumble across poring over Fundrace once upon a time who listed his profession as 'GENERAL MANAGER HOUSTON ASTRO'S BASEBELL TEAM.'

Apparently the caps lock key didn't work on his keyboard.

Anyway, he never posted here as far as I know so we're all safe.

I know I'm too snarky for my own good. The inability to use the language correctly is one of my kneejerk prejudices even though I'm well aware that writing skills don't necessarily correlate to intelligence. I'm pretty sure that being comfortable around a book or a keyboard only qualifies me to be a smartass.
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Re: Draft 2010
« Reply #559 on: June 10, 2010, 08:05:14 am »
Poor choice of words, it is is the kids decision.  But we all know what good decisions we all made at 18.  I would advise my kid and would have him talk to his adviser.  I might even call my lawyer friend JimR to ask for input.

if you meant to say drafted anywhere in the top ten rounds, i think taking your kid's money and running may be a mistake.

and while i have your ear, it makes no difference what decisions you or anyone else made at 18. this is the kid's talent, the kid's money and the kid's decision. the parent should, of course, express an opinion and seek advice, but then should back the fuck away and let the kid decide what HE wants to do. i have seen far too many parents who wanted to play pro ball but were not good enough force a kid to sign so they can live vicariously through the kid.
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Re: Draft 2010
« Reply #560 on: June 10, 2010, 08:22:18 am »
if you meant to say drafted anywhere in the top ten rounds, i think taking your kid's money and running may be a mistake.

and while i have your ear, it makes no difference what decisions you or anyone else made at 18. this is the kid's talent, the kid's money and the kid's decision. the parent should, of course, express an opinion and seek advice, but then should back the fuck away and let the kid decide what HE wants to do. i have seen far too many parents who wanted to play pro ball but were not good enough force a kid to sign so they can live vicariously through the kid.

That makes me think of JaCoby Jones' dad.
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« Reply #561 on: June 10, 2010, 10:55:24 am »
That makes me think of JaCoby Jones' dad.

Speaking of JaCoby, the Hattiesburg American noting that the Astros 'rumored' 7 figure offer to him was $1.4 million and that the Astros may go $2.0 million before all is said and done.  LINK
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« Reply #562 on: June 10, 2010, 10:58:18 am »
I know I'm too snarky for my own good. The inability to use the language correctly is one of my kneejerk prejudices even though I'm well aware that writing skills don't necessarily correlate to intelligence. I'm pretty sure that being comfortable around a book or a keyboard only qualifies me to be a smartass.

You and me both. You'll notice that seeing ASTRO'S made enough of an impression to where I remembered it all these years later.
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Re: Draft 2010
« Reply #563 on: June 10, 2010, 11:53:48 am »
Just curious about drafting catchers and developing pitchers.   You always hear MLB pitchers talk about how important the guy behind the plate is.   How much, if any, does that factor into the minors?   
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« Reply #564 on: June 10, 2010, 12:30:58 pm »
Just curious about drafting catchers and developing pitchers.   You always hear MLB pitchers talk about how important the guy behind the plate is.   How much, if any, does that factor into the minors?   

Good question.  Here is what I've seen happen pretty much as standard in the minors:

Lower levels (rookie ball, A Ball, maybe High A Ball)

1. Pitchers are not evaluated on stats and more on developing their second and third pitches.  So, if the kid throws a mean four seamer, while he'll continue to throw said pitch, he will be asked to work on throwing his other pitches often to develop a feel for them.
2. Catchers in the lower minor leagues are asked to develop the part of the game that is fundamental, such as blocking balls in the dirt, throwing to the base correctly and moving inside and outside, plus working on framing.  As far as calling the game, I'm sure managers handle that for them (since they know what the kid on the mound is suppose to be working on).

Higher level (AA and AAA)
1. Pitchers should pretty much know what to throw and how to throw a pitch depending on their status (re: starter or reliever).  They should be working on game management at this point and start to produce numbers that are valuable to management.  This is probably along the lines of PPI (pitches per innings) groundball to flyball ratios, etc.
2. Catchers should be developing management of the game by now and should be able to handle pitchers and situations by this time, having learned how to call a game.  Along with the up and coming prospects will be a smattering of professional catchers who may have had some time in the big leagues to tutor the kids on how to manage a game.

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Re: Draft 2010
« Reply #565 on: June 10, 2010, 02:37:31 pm »
Per MLBDraft via Twitter: Astros ink 9 #mlbdraft picks: Doran (4) Buchanan (8) Shirley (9) Redinger (11) Robinson (12) Wallace (16) Sogard (26) Cole (34) Lane (41)

Will get the draftees and status thread as able.
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Re: Draft 2010
« Reply #566 on: June 10, 2010, 03:10:34 pm »
Per MLBDraft via Twitter: Astros ink 9 #mlbdraft picks: Doran (4) Buchanan (8) Shirley (9) Redinger (11) Robinson (12) Wallace (16) Sogard (26) Cole (34) Lane (41)

Will get the draftees and status thread as able.
Now that you are a moderator, how about a sticky that is just a spreadsheet of the draftees and their status... I recall you had something similar that you put within a thread and updated it as info came out.  Figure Sticky that noone can respond to might be easier on the site and you.

Just a thought.

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Re: Draft 2010
« Reply #567 on: June 11, 2010, 01:04:42 pm »
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« Reply #568 on: June 11, 2010, 02:15:53 pm »
Aren't there just so many above average speed and glove SS/CF types with pop but not a huge power upside you go after before you need to start considering taking the slow fat kid that looks like he'll hit 25-40 HRs a year?

[And before I get massacred for the question, a couple of things: I'm not calling Mier, Austin or Castro all glove type players; I understand the draw in projectable athletic pitchers like Lyles and Bushue; I remember the Astros signed Telvin Nash; and no I do not think I am, nor mean to act like I am, some kind of draft or prospect expert.  I'm not, not even close, just informed enough to draw some (very probably wrong) conclusions about what I GUESS may occur... This may be (yet another) stupid question, but it is a serious one...].

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Re: Draft 2010
« Reply #569 on: June 11, 2010, 02:27:42 pm »
Thought I'd dredge this one up and needle OSF and say, no.

Don't I have some kind of new mod powers to block malicious comments like this?  Where is the 'ban poster' button?
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Re: Draft 2010
« Reply #570 on: June 11, 2010, 03:20:21 pm »
Thought I'd dredge this one up and needle OSF and say, no.

Ben Heath seems like he could fit this bill.

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Re: Draft 2010
« Reply #571 on: June 11, 2010, 03:36:16 pm »
Your point is valid.  But I'm not sure the Astros have the volume of high level talent in the system to use their first pick on a guy like that.  I could see it more likely at 19 and even more likely in 1S or 2 (keep an eye on the Auburn 1b).

And then toot my own horn with DeShields at 1 and Kvalphabet at 1S.
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« Reply #572 on: June 11, 2010, 03:37:47 pm »
Ben Heath seems like he could fit this bill.

He's interesting.  I wouldn't be a bit surprised if he were moved to 1b, esp if he hits for power consistently.
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Re: Draft 2010
« Reply #573 on: June 11, 2010, 08:36:19 pm »
Now that you are a moderator, how about a sticky that is just a spreadsheet of the draftees and their status... I recall you had something similar that you put within a thread and updated it as info came out.  Figure Sticky that noone can respond to might be easier on the site and you.

Just a thought.

I like the interaction of people chiming in, so not going to lock the thread.  Looks like someone took care of the sticky though... 1 for 2 though, not bad, eh?
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Re: Draft 2010
« Reply #574 on: June 11, 2010, 08:36:40 pm »
BTW, meant to say thanks all for the kudos in the thread.  Much appreciated!
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« Reply #575 on: June 14, 2010, 09:30:28 am »
BP will have their writeup of the Astros' draft tomorrow.  Will post excerpts once I see them.
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« Reply #576 on: June 14, 2010, 11:26:02 am »
Another NDFA (tip from Astros County): Marcus Nidiffer U of KY 5th years SR catcher
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Re: Draft 2010
« Reply #577 on: June 15, 2010, 09:27:48 am »
BP on...

DeShields:
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What He is: A burner with tools. Beyond his plus-plus speed, he generates surprising power with his whippy bat, and his game instincts are highly advanced thanks to his bloodlines. He's a very good defender at both second base and center field. 
What He is Not: Arm strength is one of the few weaknesses in DeShields' game, and at 5-foot-9, he lacked the size for many teams to even consider him in the first round.

Foltynewicz:
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What He is: A big right-hander with upside. He is 6-foot-5 and athletically built. Foltynewicz consistently touched the mid-90s this spring, and his curveball was just as impressive for some.
What He is Not: Foltynewicz will need some development. There are a lot of moving parts to his delivery, leading to inconsistent release points and control issues. Like many high school arms in cold-weather states, he doesn't have much of a changeup.

Kvasnicka:
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What He is: Kvasnicka's multiple positions speak more to his athleticism than an inability to find a defensive home. He's a polished switch-hitter with at least average power, and his arm is a positive attribute anywhere on the field.
What He is Not: Kvasnicka's swing can get a bit long at times, and he's not much of a runner. Teams like the bat, but there are questions as to whether it will be good enough to profile at third base of an outfield corner.

Others:
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Velasquez is an outstanding athlete who had legitimate pro potential as a shortstop, with teams wondering if his already above-average fastball would improve with a full-time commitment to the mound. Wates is an athletic, speedy player who can hit, but doesn't offer much power and still doesn't have a true defensive home.

Of Note Afterward: Fourth-rounder Bobby Doran is a big power righty with plus heat and a good curveball that projects as a solid innings-eater in the pros. Fifth-rounder Ben Heath has big-time power for a catcher, but needs to improve behind the dish.

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With three picks on day one, the Astros looked to bring some life to a moribund system, and while some players look initially to be over-drafts, at least the club focused on athleticism and upside.
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