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Rangers not yet to Ryan
« on: April 22, 2010, 11:24:18 am »
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MLB has publicly endorsed the Greenberg-Ryan deal – though it would still have to meet approval of two-thirds of the owners once the financial portion of it is closed. MLB released a statement on the matter:

"As part of the Texas Rangers sale process, Tom Hicks selected the Chuck Greenberg/Nolan Ryan group as the chosen bidder on December 15, 2009 and entered into an exclusive agreement with that group. Major League Baseball is currently in control of the sale process and will use all efforts to achieve a closing with the chosen bidder. Any deviation from or interference with the agreed upon sale process by Mr. Hicks or any other party, or any actions in violation of MLB rules or directives will be dealt with appropriately by the Commissioner."
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Re: Rangers not yet to Ryan
« Reply #1 on: April 22, 2010, 01:20:15 pm »
the Commissioner." [/i]

Gives me hope that the whole thing could get screwed up somehow.

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« Reply #2 on: April 22, 2010, 03:03:04 pm »
In my silly little dream land, I'm still holding out hope that Greenberg is shot down and while he's trying to piece it all together, Ryan hooks up with a group with the cashe to buy the "We're not for sale, but we've listened to two separate offers" Astros.


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« Reply #3 on: April 22, 2010, 03:07:38 pm »
In my silly little dream land, I'm still holding out hope that Greenberg is shot down and while he's trying to piece it all together, Ryan hooks up with a group with the cashe to buy the "We're not for sale, but we've listened to two separate offers" Astros.

We'd be better off pooling our bucks for Powerball tix.
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« Reply #5 on: May 24, 2010, 12:27:18 pm »
We'd be better off pooling our bucks for Powerball tix.

Wait, you wanna?

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« Reply #6 on: May 24, 2010, 12:39:18 pm »
Wait, you wanna?

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« Reply #7 on: May 24, 2010, 12:50:23 pm »
The punchline to this Rangers imbroglio: A-Rod.

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/texas-rangers-file-bankruptcy-alex-rodriguez-lose-25mm-deferred-comp-largest-unsecured-credi

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« Reply #8 on: May 25, 2010, 10:14:50 am »
The punchline to this Rangers imbroglio: A-Rod.

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/texas-rangers-file-bankruptcy-alex-rodriguez-lose-25mm-deferred-comp-largest-unsecured-credi

Wow, didn't realize that could even happen.  Seems like something that the Players Union would be all over.

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« Reply #9 on: May 25, 2010, 10:30:15 am »
Wow, didn't realize that could even happen.  Seems like something that the Players Union would be all over.

Sure.  Once they got over the hypocrisy issue of having pushed players to take the deal with the biggest number.  Which will take them about 2 seconds.

I wonder how many other teams might look at going into Chapter 11 to get out from under massive deferred salary obligations.
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« Reply #10 on: May 25, 2010, 10:39:22 am »
Sure.  Once they got over the hypocrisy issue of having pushed players to take the deal with the biggest number.  Which will take them about 2 seconds.

I wonder how many other teams might look at going into Chapter 11 to get out from under massive deferred salary obligations.

Well, there are rules about this sort of thing now.  Deferred compensation has to be funded within 12 months of it being earned, regardless of when it's to be paid.  Of course, this is the Jerry Colangelo rule, which has only been in affect a handful of years.  It likely doesn't apply to Mickey Tettleton, creditor, who hasn't played in 14 years.
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« Reply #11 on: May 25, 2010, 11:16:45 am »
so does a rod get a lawyer and go after his money
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« Reply #12 on: May 25, 2010, 11:19:08 am »
so does a rod get a lawyer and go after his money

ARod's got a lawyer, and he stands in line for his money, same as everyone else.
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« Reply #13 on: May 25, 2010, 11:29:21 am »
ARod's got a lawyer, and he stands in line for his money, same as everyone else.

He'll soon discover that the bankruptcy courts have more spine than the owners he's used to dealing with.
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« Reply #14 on: May 25, 2010, 11:30:19 am »
He'll soon discover that the bankruptcy courts have more spine than the owners he's used to dealing with.

Bankruptcy courts aren't 'Nam.  There are rules.
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« Reply #15 on: May 25, 2010, 12:12:59 pm »
I paid for tickets in the middle 00's, can I be listed as a creditor too?  I figure they owe me for the bait and switch they pulled when I paid to see major league baseball....

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« Reply #16 on: May 25, 2010, 12:13:47 pm »
I'm lost.  If the Rangers have the same amount of assets and liabilities (as the article states) why wouldn't A-Rod get all of his deferred compensation.
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« Reply #17 on: May 25, 2010, 12:22:55 pm »
I'm lost.  If the Rangers have the same amount of assets and liabilities (as the article states) why wouldn't A-Rod get all of his deferred compensation.

I'm sure he will.  From what I understand, this isn't about the Rangers' inability to pay their obligations, it's a legal maneuver to force the sale of the club.
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« Reply #18 on: May 25, 2010, 12:23:53 pm »
I'm lost.  If the Rangers have the same amount of assets and liabilities (as the article states) why wouldn't A-Rod get all of his deferred compensation.

He will.  The bankruptcy is just for procedural purposes; nothing will really change.  The Rangers are not being liquidated.
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« Reply #19 on: May 25, 2010, 12:42:13 pm »
I'm lost.  If the Rangers have the same amount of assets and liabilities (as the article states) why wouldn't A-Rod get all of his deferred compensation.

He might not get it when he's supposed to get it though.
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« Reply #20 on: May 25, 2010, 12:49:23 pm »
He might not get it when he's supposed to get it though.

That's doubtful.  It's pretty much business as usual.  Didn't the Cubs go into bankruptcy in order to simplify their sale?
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« Reply #22 on: May 25, 2010, 01:25:39 pm »
Any mention of the Old Man warrants posting this video

That's Nolan renegotiating the terms of the deferred payments with A-Rod.
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« Reply #23 on: May 26, 2010, 03:35:09 pm »
So the current owners file the banko to try to force the sale of the club... does this give them leverage against the commish taking over the sale or something? Forgive me if there's something obvious that I'm not getting, but big bidniss politics aren't my forte.
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« Reply #24 on: May 26, 2010, 04:11:28 pm »
So the current owners file the banko to try to force the sale of the club... does this give them leverage against the commish taking over the sale or something? Forgive me if there's something obvious that I'm not getting, but big bidniss politics aren't my forte.

IIRC, the Cubs did it to firewall the new owner from any unidentified debts of the old owner that may surface in the future.
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« Reply #25 on: May 26, 2010, 04:34:32 pm »
IIRC, the Cubs did it to firewall the new owner from any unidentified debts of the old owner that may surface in the future.

So this is an exercise akin to flushing the toilet for Tom Hicks?  Ewwww....

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« Reply #26 on: May 27, 2010, 07:15:18 am »
So this is an exercise akin to flushing the toilet for Tom Hicks?  Ewwww....

More like wiping his ass for him. Ewwww...... indeed.
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« Reply #27 on: May 27, 2010, 09:14:05 am »
So this is an exercise akin to flushing the toilet for Tom Hicks?  Ewwww....

My understanding (limited) is that the bankruptcy segragates Hicks' overall liability with the Rangers and the hockey and soccer teams.  This action allows the Ranger's creditors will get all thier money when the sale does go through.  Apparently the creditors have been the sticking point so far.

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« Reply #28 on: July 09, 2010, 09:45:55 am »
Quotes from Ryan yesterday:

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"It's a good possibility that it might not happen," Ryan said about owning the team. "The way they've invited Crane back into the picture, they seem to be more concerned with him than anyone else."

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"My position is I'm going to be here through the end of the season this year and assess where everything is and go from there," Ryan said. "I'm not making any predictions. I'm not thinking anything past us getting a ruling of some nature or find out what the status is of where we all stand or if it goes to someone else."

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« Reply #29 on: July 09, 2010, 10:10:39 am »
Just a random thought, but if the Ryan deal falls through and Crane gets the Rangers, there's no way that Ryan stays on as team president, right?  His comments seem to indicate this possibility, unless I'm reading them wrong.

And if that's the case, what would that mean for Round Rock?  Would they still jump ship to the Rangers if Ryan's not in the picture anymore?
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« Reply #30 on: July 09, 2010, 10:14:19 am »
What would the price difference be in putting together a deal to buy the Astros?  

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Astros are worth $41 Million more than the Rangers.
Astros revenues are higher ($186 vs $176)
Operating Income is the same for both (~ $17)

Debt to value --HOLY CRAP -- Astros (12%), Rangers (66%), this is amazing when you consider that they've been in their "new" stadium 6 years longer than we have and ours cost more anyway.

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« Reply #31 on: July 09, 2010, 10:15:29 am »
Just a random thought, but if the Ryan deal falls through and Crane gets the Rangers *** what would that mean for Round Rock?  Would they still jump ship to the Rangers if Ryan's not in the picture anymore?

Noe, why would Round Rock jump ship for the Rangers if Nolan is going to buy the Astros?
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« Reply #32 on: July 09, 2010, 10:27:35 am »
Noe, why would Round Rock jump ship for the Rangers if Nolan is going to buy the Astros?

Still in the fantasy land, but I'm still hoping this happens.  Feels like it would be too perfect.

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« Reply #33 on: July 09, 2010, 10:33:06 am »
Still in the fantasy land, but I'm still hoping this happens.  Feels like it would be too perfect.

Not meaning to be rude here, but my post was directed toward SnS site admins, not some random poster...
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« Reply #34 on: July 09, 2010, 10:34:03 am »
Not meaning to be rude here, but my post was directed toward SnS site admins, not some random poster...

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« Reply #35 on: July 09, 2010, 10:35:47 am »
Not meaning to be rude here, but my post was directed toward SnS site admins, not some random poster...

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Not meaning to be rude here, but my post was directed toward SnS site admins, not some random poster...

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« Reply #37 on: July 09, 2010, 10:56:46 am »
Not meaning to be rude here, but my post was directed toward SnS site admins, not some random poster...

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« Reply #38 on: July 09, 2010, 11:07:54 am »
Enjoy that.

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« Reply #39 on: July 09, 2010, 11:17:39 am »
Still in the fantasy land, but I'm still hoping this happens.  Feels like it would be too perfect.

All kidding aside, yes it does.  Which organization would he choose if both were on the table?  Is he pursuing the Rangers simply because it was the first avenue to open up?  I'm pretty certain that he would be happy to be part owner of either, but curious which he would prefer.  Would Greenberg be interested or would he have to find a new money partner?

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« Reply #40 on: July 09, 2010, 11:18:21 am »
i think OSF is about to become "Who? I do not remember that name."

Nope, pretty sure I'll be remembered in the anals of SnS history... (the annals of SnS history, now that's an entirely different story...)
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« Reply #41 on: July 09, 2010, 11:25:53 am »
All kidding aside, yes it does.  Which organization would he choose if both were on the table?  Is he pursuing the Rangers simply because it was the first avenue to open up?  I'm pretty certain that he would be happy to be part owner of either, but curious which he would prefer.  Would Greenberg be interested or would he have to find a new money partner?

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« Reply #42 on: July 09, 2010, 11:34:02 am »
All kidding aside, yes it does.  Which organization would he choose if both were on the table?  Is he pursuing the Rangers simply because it was the first avenue to open up?  I'm pretty certain that he would be happy to be part owner of either, but curious which he would prefer.  Would Greenberg be interested or would he have to find a new money partner?

Not trying to suck up (too much) here, but didn't Zipp say back in the day that one of the reasons why Nolan left Houston for the Rangers gig was that Nolan knew he wouldn't have a shot at wresting any ownership in the club away from McLane, but that he at least thought there was a possibility for an ownership stake with the Rangers? Now that McLane is interested in selling the team, who knows...
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« Reply #43 on: July 09, 2010, 12:45:02 pm »
I thought he left Houston because he was pissed at McLane in general.

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« Reply #44 on: July 09, 2010, 01:14:37 pm »
I thought he left Houston because he was pissed at McLane in general.

I'm sure there are others that have more intimate details, but Ryan wanted to own a club.  With the Astros he was a Special Assistant working under a lifetime services contract.

The Rangers offered him the Club President's spot. He could not have gotten this kind of title in Houston, as T.G. Shepherd Tal Smith is sitting in that chair.

I don't believe that THAT particular move was anti-Drayton.

The minor league stuff, Ryan/Sanders stopped being pleased with the product they had to sell in Corpus and Round Rock about the time Tim Purpura became the GM.  Ryan has very little patience for McLane's baseball acumen.  When not understanding the draft or player development affects the gate in CC and RR, it's worse.  Even saying that, if/when a move is made with the Rangers to Round Rock, it'll be because Ryan/Sanders views that as a better way to make money.
 

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« Reply #45 on: July 09, 2010, 04:24:02 pm »
Door looks to be closing as there are now multiple bidders offering more money with a new auction date set for July 22.

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« Reply #46 on: July 09, 2010, 05:07:35 pm »
Let's see...

Chuck Greenberg and Nolan Ryan in lieu of Drayton McLane and his Mets lovin' son;

Nolan Ryan in lieu of Tal Smith;

Rangers GM Jon Daniels (who has an opt out if the club s sold) in lieu of Ed Wade;

Keep Bobby Heck and send Pam packing and I'd approve that deal.

(And no, not slighting Astros folks here. Okay, not slighting Astros folks other than Pam that is...).
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« Reply #47 on: July 09, 2010, 05:19:06 pm »
Let's see...


Rangers GM Jon Daniels (who has an opt out if the club s sold) in lieu of Ed Wade;


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« Reply #48 on: July 09, 2010, 05:23:00 pm »
No.

Did you not read the part where I wrote "send Pam packing?" Worth the Daniel / Wade tradeoff IMO!

FWIW, the Jon Daniels thing was more about presuming Nolan would want to continue working with him (which was pure conjecture on my part). 
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« Reply #49 on: July 11, 2010, 06:15:48 pm »
Espn scroll said Cuban was bidding, or part of a bidding team. Does the bankruptcy process trump MLB approval, or does MLB control the selection regardless of bids?

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« Reply #50 on: July 11, 2010, 06:23:52 pm »
Espn scroll said Cuban was bidding, or part of a bidding team. Does the bankruptcy process trump MLB approval, or does MLB control the selection regardless of bids?

MLB will still have the right to approve ownership. Now if other qualified bids exceed Greenberg/Ryan, and MLB shoots them all down, expect plenty of fireworks in the courts... 

I'm betting MLB wants to throttle Tom Hicks about now...
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« Reply #51 on: July 11, 2010, 06:37:20 pm »
So, a bid becomes qualified through a process controlled by the court, independent of MLB?  Seems kind of pointless to undertake an auction, presumably to protect the creditors, and then not accept the highest bid.

It seems like MLB's reason to go through bankruptcy (as stated earlier in the thread) is at odds with the court's effort to address the needs of creditors. 

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« Reply #52 on: July 11, 2010, 07:02:01 pm »
MLB will still have the right to approve ownership. Now if other qualified bids exceed Greenberg/Ryan, and MLB shoots them all down, expect plenty of fireworks in the courts... 

I'm betting MLB wants to throttle Tom Hicks about now...

OSF is absolutely correct: MLB has the absolute right to approve ownership, so as to keep unsavory characters out of the ownership ranks. It will be interesting to see if the court and MLB tangle. Federal judges are used to being the boss.
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« Reply #53 on: July 11, 2010, 07:13:52 pm »
Maury Brown over at The Biz of Baseball has done an excellent job of reporting on the bankruptcy proceedings. LINK to various stories

In the original 'auction' motion filing, which had the support of the bankruptcy chief reorganization officer, it was noted that MLB had the final say on ownership. Here's a misc. quote from Selig on the subject: LINK

“Let me make this clear, baseball has always had the right to select their ownership,” Selig said. “There’s a long history of that that predates my entry into baseball in the 1970. So, I’m very, very comfortable in telling you that, yes, I was pleased [in the CRO’s advisement that MLB can ultimately approve the owners of the Rangers]. But there’s no doubt in my mind that we have the right to select ownership, and will do that.”

However, the CRO withdrew his support for the original motion.  LINK

The CRO approved the Motion before it was filed and supported the Motion at the time it was filed. Based on changes in facts and circumstances since the filing of the Motion, however, the CRO has concluded that the Motion is no longer in the best interests of the Equity Debtors and that, therefore, he can no longer support the Motion.

The 'facts and circumstances'?  Think creditors objections had a lot to do with it:

The creditors opposed the team’s motion for three principal reasons, a well-placed source said: It would have given MLB, not the court, final choice of the winner; it gave the Chuck Greenberg and Nolan Ryan group the right to review other bidders’ finances; and it would give Greenberg a $15M breakup fee. Apparently the CRO agreed in part with at least some of these objections.

So does this mean that MLB will not ultimately have the right to chose ownership?  I don't think so. Neither does Bud (see previous quote from Selig).  Does it mean that things won't get ugly (and interesting) if MLB puts the kabosh on the highest bidder? Not a chance. Expect fireworks should that occur...
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« Reply #54 on: July 11, 2010, 08:00:20 pm »
It would be hilarious to see Mark Cuban win the bidding and get rejected by MLB. That would be a battle royale in court.
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« Reply #55 on: July 11, 2010, 11:15:52 pm »
It would be hilarious to see Mark Cuban win the bidding and get rejected by MLB. That would be a battle royale in court.

I somewhat hope that someone else does buy the team.  I know the whole "Ryan to buy the Astros" premise sounds a bit far fetched, but the fact is that he WANTS to be a team owner. Having come as close as he has to getting the Rangers I can't imagine him just giving up the dream easily.  Does Greenberg care that he was buying the Rangers, or did he just want to be an MLB owner? I don't know. I do know, however, that Greenberg/Ryan have $575M (majority in cash w/ some add'l secured financing I think) IN ESCROW right now for the Rangers purchase (was done in an effort to show their $575M is a better offer ultimately than bigger potential offers such as Crane's, who had some odd financing issues included in his offer IIRC).  Really, how much of a stretch would it be to see them work to add another $25M-$75M to the pot to get the Astros?
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« Reply #56 on: July 12, 2010, 10:36:56 am »
I think that Greenberg/Ryan will end up paying far more if they want the Rangers.
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« Reply #57 on: July 12, 2010, 11:49:20 am »
Let's see...

Chuck Greenberg and Nolan Ryan in lieu of Drayton McLane and his Mets lovin' son;

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« Reply #58 on: July 22, 2010, 02:41:49 pm »
Cuban possibly in the bidding, and per his attorney has been approved by MLB.  Not surprised by the first part. A bit surprised by the latter...
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« Reply #59 on: July 22, 2010, 02:55:33 pm »
Cuban possibly in the bidding, and per his attorney has been approved by MLB.  Not surprised by the first part. A bit surprised by the latter...

Which should pretty well tank the Ryan/Greenberg group, apparently their money runs out Aug 12.  It is hard to imagine the creditors not sabotaging the Ryan/Greenberg group with Cuban in the mix.  Also, hard to imagine Ryan sticking around to work for the guys who stole the team out from under him.

[urlhttp://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/baseball/rangers/stories/072310dnspoblogtim.a275d9b.html]Colinshaw:  Cuban is a bad guy[/url]

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« Reply #60 on: July 22, 2010, 02:59:18 pm »
Cuban possibly in the bidding, and per his attorney has been approved by MLB.  Not surprised by the first part. A bit surprised by the latter...

Runs counter to earlier comments about not having interest in a debt laden situation, then the statement that he'd be "part of a deal" backing either Greenburg or Beck, which ever would have him.  

Having lived in Dallas and witnessed the Cuban method first hand, the man is dying for the spotlight.  If he lands a MLB team, you're looking at a  young, arrogant Steinbrenner wannabe.  Who knows what kind of mess/success he'll make of that franchise, if given a chance.  That said, he definitely has the cash to buy the team.  Even better, however, I see no chance in hell of Ryan sticking around if he's not the owner, especially if it's with that schmuck as his boss.
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« Reply #61 on: July 22, 2010, 03:19:34 pm »
Runs counter to earlier comments about not having interest in a debt laden situation, then the statement that he'd be "part of a deal" backing either Greenburg or Beck, which ever would have him. 

Having lived in Dallas and witnessed the Cuban method first hand, the man is dying for the spotlight.  If he lands a MLB team, you're looking at a  young, arrogant Steinbrenner wannabe.  Who knows what kind of mess/success he'll make of that franchise, if given a chance.  That said, he definitely has the cash to buy the team.  Even better, however, I see no chance in hell of Ryan sticking around if he's not the owner, especially if it's with that schmuck as his boss.

Look how many titles the Mavericks have won.

He has gotten what he deserves.  Asshole.

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« Reply #62 on: July 22, 2010, 03:52:25 pm »
 If he lands a MLB team, you're looking at a  young, arrogant Steinbrenner wannabe.  Who knows what kind of mess/success he'll make of that franchise, if given a chance.  

I don't see this as a bad thing.  Just as long as it's not the Astros, I welcome it.
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« Reply #63 on: July 22, 2010, 04:00:10 pm »
I don't see this as a bad thing.  Just as long as it's not the Astros, I welcome it.

Just as long as it brings the old man back to the stros, its good.

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« Reply #64 on: July 22, 2010, 04:11:42 pm »
I don't see this as a bad thing.  Just as long as it's not the Astros, I welcome it.

Short of selling the team to someone who would move it, I can't imagine a more horrible scenario than Mark Cuban buying the Astros. Hearing that he has been approved by MLB is stunning and sickening.

I don't doubt for a second that there are owners just as despicable as Cuban is, but his desperation for visibility is what puts him in a most vile class of asshole.

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« Reply #65 on: July 22, 2010, 04:27:13 pm »

Astroholic - if Ryan comes back to the Astros, it will be a dream come true. Keep hope alive.

And Houston will have him for 7-10 years, and then the Rangers will give him more money again.

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« Reply #66 on: July 22, 2010, 04:29:25 pm »
And Houston will have him for 7-10 years, and then the Rangers will give him more money again.

I'd rather have those 7-10 years than not have them at all.
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« Reply #67 on: July 22, 2010, 04:34:17 pm »

ETA:  For me, it's just that - he is classless.


For me, much like Bobby Valentine, I'm happy to have him around for entertainment purposes alone.  Just as long as it's not my team that is made a mockery of.
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« Reply #68 on: July 22, 2010, 04:35:13 pm »
For me, much like Bobby Valentine, I'm happy to have him around for entertainment purposes alone.  Just as long as it's not my team that is made a mockery of.

I'm concerned about the effect of another reckless spender on overall salaries.
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« Reply #69 on: July 22, 2010, 05:40:22 pm »
For me, much like Bobby Valentine, I'm happy to have him around for entertainment purposes alone.  Just as long as it's not my team that is made a mockery of.

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« Reply #70 on: July 23, 2010, 07:54:50 am »
Is there a difference between MLB approving Cuban as a bidder and MLB later approving a sale to Cuban?  Maybe they just want to see what happens during the bidding process.

Although, I personally am not surprised MLB approved him.

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« Reply #71 on: July 23, 2010, 08:47:58 am »
Is there a difference between MLB approving Cuban as a bidder and MLB later approving a sale to Cuban?  Maybe they just want to see what happens during the bidding process.

Although, I personally am not surprised MLB approved him.

They (MLB) have to be very careful here, because it's not clear to me that they're in control of the selection process. The creditors and the courts may come in and force them to take the highest bidder, not necessarily the one they want. If Cuban comes in with a bid that's, say, $20MM higher than anybody else, MLB is going to have a hard time convincing the creditors to take the lower bid, even if it's from a more reputable/malleable candidate.
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« Reply #72 on: July 23, 2010, 09:36:12 am »
They (MLB) have to be very careful here, because it's not clear to me that they're in control of the selection process. The creditors and the courts may come in and force them to take the highest bidder, not necessarily the one they want. If Cuban comes in with a bid that's, say, $20MM higher than anybody else, MLB is going to have a hard time convincing the creditors to take the lower bid, even if it's from a more reputable/malleable candidate.

Cuban has been approved to own a mlb team if he is the winning bidder.  He was outbid for the Cubs but was approved to own them if he won.

The judge has not shown any indication that he will take mlb's right of approval away from them.
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« Reply #73 on: July 23, 2010, 09:37:55 am »
Cuban has been approved to own a mlb team if he is the winning bidder.  He was outbid for the Cubs but was approved to own them if he won.

The judge has not shown any indication that he will take mlb's right of approval away from them.

I think the parallel for Cuban is more Ted Turner than George Steinbrenner.

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« Reply #74 on: July 23, 2010, 10:58:15 am »
The judge has not shown any indication that he will take mlb's right of approval away from them.

Does he even have the authority to do so?
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« Reply #75 on: July 23, 2010, 11:15:44 am »
Does he even have the authority to do so?

I got the impression from reading OSF's links that he must have that authority, even though he has not indicated he would exercise it.


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« Reply #76 on: July 23, 2010, 11:28:18 am »
Does he even have the authority to do so?

Pretty much everything that affects the bankruptcy estate does so at the judge's discretion.  There are rules, but bankruptcy is very much an equitable proceeding and its judges are given considerable room to do what they think needs to be done.
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« Reply #77 on: July 23, 2010, 11:30:05 am »
Pretty much everything that affects the bankruptcy estate does so at the judge's discretion.  There are rules, but bankruptcy is very much an equitable proceeding and its judges are given considerable room to do what they think needs to be done.

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« Reply #78 on: July 23, 2010, 01:36:58 pm »
Pretty much everything that affects the bankruptcy estate does so at the judge's discretion.  There are rules, but bankruptcy is very much an equitable proceeding and its judges are given considerable room to do what they think needs to be done.

I'm surprised the authority extends past the two parties (team and debtors) involved.

MLB isn't really a party to the proceeding, right?  They're a third party that seemingly shouldn't be subject to the decision of a judge in a case that does not directly involve them.  If I went into bankruptcy, a judge couldn't decide to sell my house to a commercial business despite HOA restrictions, right?
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« Reply #79 on: July 23, 2010, 02:03:07 pm »
Doesn't MLB own the Rangers, in some form or fashion, making them a party?  I'm really confused about the current situation: I assume MLB didn't just buy it from Hicks, but they have some relationship, nixing the Purke signing and limiting the payroll that can be added (what I read somewhere).

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« Reply #80 on: July 23, 2010, 02:52:23 pm »
Doesn't MLB own the Rangers, in some form or fashion, making them a party?  I'm really confused about the current situation: I assume MLB didn't just buy it from Hicks, but they have some relationship, nixing the Purke signing and limiting the payroll that can be added (what I read somewhere).

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« Reply #81 on: July 26, 2010, 03:30:27 am »
I'm concerned about the effect of another reckless spender on overall salaries.


Would he more reckless than Tom Hicks was?

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« Reply #84 on: August 02, 2010, 12:21:43 pm »
I've been trying to understand the auction process.  As I understand it, the starting bid only has to be as high as the cash portion of the Ryan/Greenburg big, or approx 320mil.  What's to say that the bids reach the full price that Ryan and Greenburg agreed to pay?  If I'm a bidder, I'm going to pay as little as possible.  By no means am I claiming to be smarter than the groups that are MLB approved to bid.  But unless there are some additional rules, such as only one counter-bid after your initial bid is allowed, then what makes the creditors so certain they will get a better return with this approach? 

This wreaks of an inside job, but hopefully it results in Ryan/Greenburg losing out and setting their sights on the Astros.
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« Reply #85 on: August 03, 2010, 10:59:14 am »
i just learned that the Bankruptcy Judge overseeing the auction is my law school classmate Russ Nelms.
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« Reply #86 on: August 03, 2010, 11:10:13 am »
i just learned that the Bankruptcy Judge overseeing the auction is my law school classmate Russ Nelms.

Small world.  Personally speaking, however, I won't be leaning on you to get us any inside info, as I assume that would get both of you in a world of legal trouble. 

Am I the only one counting down to the auction tomorrow?  I found this article on Sporting News this morning.  Most of the info is well covered, but I found the auction process interesting.  It seems like it can go on indefinitely, and even after a winning bid is made, the process could last another 6 months.  What a mess.

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« Reply #87 on: August 03, 2010, 02:03:54 pm »
If this continues, Hicks may be out of the team-owning business altogether!

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« Reply #88 on: August 03, 2010, 02:27:21 pm »
i just learned that the Bankruptcy Judge overseeing the auction is my law school classmate Russ Nelms.

I take it you already told him to make sure Nolan doesn't win the auction...

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I take it you already told him to make sure Nolan doesn't win the auction...

i want to let him know i've always wanted to own a club.
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i want to let him know i've always wanted to own a club.

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Hey, if somebody can buy Newsweek for $1...

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with Cuban involved they usually do.
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« Reply #96 on: August 04, 2010, 11:01:10 am »
And now they have to take a break to figure out which bid is higher.  Clearly not a typical "auction".  My guess is that Cuban wins, MLB takes the 2nd best bid and pays fines, lawsuites galore.
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« Reply #97 on: August 04, 2010, 11:19:26 am »
This thing is so confusing.  The article says that the unsecured creditors are to be paid in full, and the other creditors can go after Hicks other companies.  Knowing little about bankruptcies, I assumed the unsecured were last in line.

Previously, I had also heard that the RG group's offer was to pay off all the debt, and have therefore never understood why any creditors care, although they obviously do since they appear to have prevented the intial sale to RG, and appear to have redirected the bankruptcy process.

I also don't understand where Hicks presently stands.  From all the articles, it seems like he is dead: I never hear about him being publically involved in any decision.  I thought he owned the Rangers and would therefore presumably have lobbied MLB and the press to approve the highest offer.  I also assumed he would be the decisionmaker on proceeding with bankruptcy.  Maybe he did and was, but that is not the impression I got from reading previous articles; it appears that MLB/RG have been the decisionmakers.  At any rate, it seems that Hicks might get more relief through bankruptcy than through the original offer.

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« Reply #98 on: August 04, 2010, 11:24:36 am »
This thing is so confusing.  The article says that the unsecured creditors are to be paid in full, and the other creditors can go after Hicks other companies.  Knowing little about bankruptcies, I assumed the unsecured were last in line.

I'm not a bankruptcy attorney, but I did get wasted at Griff's last night, and it was crawling with 'em.  Presumably, secured creditors can call in the collateral that was put up against the note, so they don't need to be paid off by the new owner.  The unsecured creditors are the ones who have to be made sweet, otherwise they could decide, theoretically, to liquidate the enterprise.  Now that would be funny.
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« Reply #99 on: August 04, 2010, 11:28:27 am »
That would be a hell of a dispersal draft.
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« Reply #100 on: August 04, 2010, 11:30:16 am »
That would be a hell of a dispersal draft.

And Selig would decide unilaterally to liquidate the Twins, just to keep the numbers even.
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« Reply #101 on: August 04, 2010, 12:58:54 pm »
It seems worth pointing out that, 17 years ago today, Robin Ventura charged the mound.
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« Reply #102 on: August 04, 2010, 03:41:07 pm »
It seems worth pointing out that, 17 years ago today, Robin Ventura charged the mound.

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« Reply #103 on: August 04, 2010, 04:24:03 pm »
As of 4:10 pm, the Cuban/Crane bid was $25 million more than the Ryan/Greenberg bid and the debtors are pressing to move forward with them.  The judge has granted a 1-hour extension for Ryan/Greenberg to review their options.


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Just before 3 p.m. it was revealed that the Cuban/Crane bid was $25 million more than $306.7 million, the cash portion of the Ryan/Greenberg bid. While the debtors were happy with the Cuban/Crane bid, the Ryan/Greenberg complained to the judge, saying the bid wasn't 'proper'.

Ryan/Greenberg argued their bid was better because it's a cash bid that would pay on August 12.

The debtor said they had no problem with the bid and wanted to move forward with the auction process immediately. But the Ryan/Greenberg team asked the judge for a delay to consider their options. Despite complaints from the Cuban/Crane team, the judge granted the Ryan/Greenberg team one hour to review their opponents bid. That has court resuming at roughly 4:10pm


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« Reply #104 on: August 04, 2010, 04:32:14 pm »
Looks like another delay, to be back in court 9:30 AM tomorrow.  Debtor's and restructuring officer stated in court that they prefer the Cuban bid.  Sounds like some procedural holdups, will work through the night to confirm details of Cuban bid.

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« Reply #105 on: August 04, 2010, 06:56:22 pm »
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At 5:45 and after an hour to convene, Ryan's group bid $320 million cash. Cuban's lawyer then raised their bid by $15 million, to $335 M cash. Ryan's group and the debtors asked for a break to look over some numbers. The judge granted it and told everybody to be back at 6:15. But it's 6:15 and nothing's happening. Another delay? We don't know, but we'll tell you when we do.
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« Reply #106 on: August 04, 2010, 06:59:24 pm »
Also, cbs11tv said the Judge stated this could go all night.   

They are back in court now.
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« Reply #107 on: August 04, 2010, 09:22:15 pm »
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9:15 CBS11 in Court: Greenberg/Ryan group says they were told two different views on how to deal with debt, and that Cuban's financing is not a viable bid
Wednesday August 4, 2010 9:15 CBS11 in Court

9:17 CBS11 in Court: Attorney says they have been waiting 4 hours for bid, saying CRO is telling them different things from court without consulting them. CRO never got back with them on Cuban bid. They feel the process is unfair making responsive bids to unsecurred bid
Wednesday August 4, 2010 9:17 CBS11 in Court

9:17 CBS11 in Court: Ad Hoc says there is no issue with financing.
Wednesday August 4, 2010 9:17 CBS11 in Court

9:18 CBS 11 Newsroom: Greenberg attorney; this process has devolved to the point we have no faith in the process. We thought we were 33 million ahead and now you're telling us we"re dead even.
Wednesday August 4, 2010 9:18 CBS 11 Newsroom

9:19 CBS11 in Court: Seperate person no longer represented by ad hoc says cuban group has financing 

9:21 CBS11 in Court: Radical pitch says the lenders have agreed to funding. Compares this situation to Wizard of Oz... lot of noise. He says GR group has only raised their bid by 2 mil, and that they are trying to stop auction any way possible. They are making parties doing selling make the determination. They are there to get the highest bid for the estate,
Wednesday August 4, 2010 9:21 CBS11 in Court

9:21 CBS 11 Newsroom: (Radical Pitch is Cuban's group)
Wednesday August 4, 2010 9:21 CBS 11 Newsroom
9:21 CBS11 in Court: we could bid tens of millions over their bid. My client wants to own this club 


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« Reply #108 on: August 04, 2010, 09:26:02 pm »
Cuban's Group is called "Radical Pitch".

Can't see any way Ryan stays if he doesnt' win.

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« Reply #109 on: August 04, 2010, 09:27:59 pm »
Cuban's Group is called "Radical Pitch".

Can't see any way Ryan stays if he doesnt' win.

No way Ryan stays.

What are the odds of MLB approving Cuban as an owner?  I have a hard time seeing him welcomed into the club.
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« Reply #110 on: August 04, 2010, 09:40:36 pm »
No way Ryan stays.

What are the odds of MLB approving Cuban as an owner?  I have a hard time seeing him welcomed into the club.

For the right money, MLB will gladly welcome Cuban.

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« Reply #111 on: August 04, 2010, 10:40:34 pm »
It seems worth pointing out that, 17 years ago today, Robin Ventura charged the mound.

Which means I was traveling through Texas for the only time in my life.  I caught the Braves & Astros in houston before going to Waco to see Bro In Law family.  We had tickets to the Rangers/ White Sox game and missed the above mentioned game by one day.

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« Reply #112 on: August 04, 2010, 10:41:37 pm »
CBS blogger as of 10:38: "Ryan attorney seems very dejected, we cannot say they are throwing in the towel, but the overall mood from them does not look positive."
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« Reply #113 on: August 04, 2010, 10:57:37 pm »
So Cuban's current bid is 355mil, Ryan 322mil.

If Cuban wins and gets MLB approval, the Astros could keep AAA in Round Rock and get Nolan back in the organization?   That sounds like a pretty good deal for Houston.
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« Reply #114 on: August 04, 2010, 11:10:09 pm »
That's the hot shit dream. The dry turd of reality may well be entirely different.
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« Reply #115 on: August 04, 2010, 11:13:07 pm »
So Cuban's current bid is 355mil, Ryan 322mil.

If Cuban wins and gets MLB approval, the Astros could keep AAA in Round Rock and get Nolan back in the organization?   That sounds like a pretty good deal for Houston.

But won't the Astros cost a lot more than that?  If so that'd mean Ryan/Greenberg would need another partner to come up with the cash.
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« Reply #116 on: August 04, 2010, 11:17:07 pm »
But won't the Astros cost a lot more than that?  If so that'd mean Ryan/Greenberg would need another partner to come up with the cash.

That's the cash portion of the bid. Think the total is $575M or so. Haven't seen the exact breakdown.
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« Reply #117 on: August 04, 2010, 11:23:20 pm »
That's the cash portion of the bid. Think the total is $575M or so. Haven't seen the exact breakdown.

So what's the best guess at the value of the Astros?
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« Reply #118 on: August 04, 2010, 11:32:05 pm »
So what's the best guess at the value of the Astros?

That $575M estimate was the Cuban bid (and that's a semi-guesstimate, could be $550M, but pretty sure it was $540M about $35M ago...).  Anyway... there was a report earlier in the year that said Drayton wanted $650M. Forbes valued the club at approx $445M earlier in the year (Rangers were valued at $405M in that same piece).

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« Reply #119 on: August 04, 2010, 11:40:38 pm »
Ryan's bid up to $365M.
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« Reply #120 on: August 04, 2010, 11:42:01 pm »
WOW.   This is going to go all night.
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« Reply #121 on: August 04, 2010, 11:42:17 pm »
Next update probably due around midnight CST; I'm not staying up for that.
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« Reply #122 on: August 05, 2010, 12:08:39 am »
And Cuban ups his offer to 390mil!    Ryan/Grennebrg on the clock.
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« Reply #123 on: August 05, 2010, 12:42:02 am »
The bids are cash + approx $208M in assumed debt.
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« Reply #124 on: August 05, 2010, 12:43:40 am »
Ryan wins the bid.  Fuck.
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« Reply #125 on: August 05, 2010, 12:44:02 am »
And Cuban/Crane out of the bidding.  Greenberg/Ryan bid was $385M cash.
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« Reply #126 on: August 05, 2010, 12:47:00 am »
So do Cuban and Crane set their sights on Houston? Would Cuban be interested? Would Drayton deal with Crane after the previous deal fell through?

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« Reply #127 on: August 05, 2010, 01:02:25 am »
The final nail in the coffin for the Astros AAA affiliate staying in Round Rock.

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« Reply #128 on: August 05, 2010, 01:03:38 am »
Did Cuban say no to another bid?

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« Reply #129 on: August 05, 2010, 03:56:11 am »
The final nail in the coffin for the Astros AAA affiliate staying in Round Rock.

What will happen to the other minor league teams affiliated with the Rangers then?

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« Reply #130 on: August 05, 2010, 06:52:05 am »
Pretty interesting stuff. There is some speculation that Cuban was in it to drive up the value of the debt he purchased earlier.

Definitely a net loss for Astro fans and a serious blow to the central Texas market, but the good news is Cuban doesn't own a major league baseball team.

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« Reply #131 on: August 05, 2010, 07:36:50 am »
Pretty interesting stuff. There is some speculation that Cuban was in it to drive up the value of the debt he purchased earlier.

Definitely a net loss for Astro fans and a serious blow to the central Texas market, but the good news is Cuban doesn't own a major league baseball team.

Congratulations to Nolan Ryan.

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Other than that OKC is not a bad town and if I had to compare Dell Diamond and the surrounding area to Bricktown and the surrounding area, where the OKC Redhawks play, I'd give a tip to Bricktown.  There's a pretty good burger place in the walking area where I've eaten a couple times on business trips (they have a River Walk).  All in all, a quality facility.  

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« Reply #132 on: August 05, 2010, 08:28:41 am »
I'm mildly disappointed about the Astros losing the RR affiliation to the Rangers.  But it was fully expected minus the offhand chance that Ryan-Greenburg lost the team to Cuban.  However, as long as I continue to get Astros coverage in the Austin area, I'm not all that bothered.  If FSN stops airing Astros games here, because it's now Rangers' territory, I may just have to move the family again.  

Other than that OKC is not a bad town and if I had to compare Dell Diamond and the surrounding area to Bricktown and the surrounding area, where the OKC Redhawks play, I'd give a tip to Bricktown.  There's a pretty good burger place in the walking area where I've eaten a couple times on business trips (they have a River Walk).  All in all, a quality facility.  

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« Reply #133 on: August 05, 2010, 08:31:56 am »
Why is the team in a city the size of San Antonio still playing in AA, and what would it take for the Astros to get a AAA affiliate there? When does the Padres' deal with the Missions end?

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« Reply #134 on: August 05, 2010, 09:43:50 am »
Why is the team in a city the size of San Antonio still playing in AA, and what would it take for the Astros to get a AAA affiliate there? When does the Padres' deal with the Missions end?

I've always thought that too.  The Padres' deal with the Missions started in 2007.

Does anyone know if the Astros prefer New Orleans (349 miles away) or OKC (446 miles away)?

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« Reply #135 on: August 05, 2010, 09:46:29 am »
The final nail in the coffin for the Astros AAA affiliate staying in Round Rock.

after what i saw last night, RR fans might welcome a change.
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« Reply #136 on: August 05, 2010, 09:55:19 am »
I'm mildly disappointed about the Astros losing the RR affiliation to the Rangers.  But it was fully expected minus the offhand chance that Ryan-Greenburg lost the team to Cuban.  However, as long as I continue to get Astros coverage in the Austin area, I'm not all that bothered.  If FSN stops airing Astros games here, because it's now Rangers' territory, I may just have to move the family again.  

That's what I'm afraid of.  I hope Time Warner Cable doesn't get delusions of grandeur about the significance of the minor league affiliation change. 

Right now we get 160 Astros games in HD and about 130 Rangers games (almost all in standard definition).  If that switches because of this, I'll be pissed.

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« Reply #137 on: August 05, 2010, 10:15:39 am »
Right now we get 160 Astros games in HD and about 130 Rangers games (almost all in standard definition).  If that switches because of this, I'll be pissed.

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« Reply #138 on: August 05, 2010, 11:43:59 am »
However, as long as I continue to get Astros coverage in the Austin area, I'm not all that bothered.  If FSN stops airing Astros games here, because it's now Rangers' territory, I may just have to move the family again.  

That really sucks.  I know its not as spread out of an area as Dallas-Austin-Houston is but here in Southern California we have two Fox Sports Channels, one that carries the Dodgers and one that carries the Angels. They're back to back in the channel lineup and are also used for LA Kings and Anaheim Ducks. The few games that aren't on the FSN channels are relegated to two other local network channels. Why couldn't they do something like that for the central Texas regions?

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« Reply #139 on: August 05, 2010, 12:07:09 pm »
That really sucks.  I know its not as spread out of an area as Dallas-Austin-Houston is but here in Southern California we have two Fox Sports Channels, one that carries the Dodgers and one that carries the Angels. They're back to back in the channel lineup and are also used for LA Kings and Anaheim Ducks. The few games that aren't on the FSN channels are relegated to two other local network channels. Why couldn't they do something like that for the central Texas regions?

Currently, that is exactly what I have with AT&T Uverse.  However, there's no guarantee that will continue.
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« Reply #140 on: August 05, 2010, 12:58:29 pm »
That really sucks.  I know its not as spread out of an area as Dallas-Austin-Houston is but here in Southern California we have two Fox Sports Channels, one that carries the Dodgers and one that carries the Angels. They're back to back in the channel lineup and are also used for LA Kings and Anaheim Ducks. The few games that aren't on the FSN channels are relegated to two other local network channels. Why couldn't they do something like that for the central Texas regions?

Because the advertisers won't be reaching 5 million (or whatever) potential viewers.
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« Reply #141 on: August 05, 2010, 04:46:19 pm »
Interesting read from Cuban's blog about the process.  He acts like an idiot from time to time, but he's also really open about behind the scenes happenings that you don't normally get to find about it.

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« Reply #142 on: August 05, 2010, 04:54:47 pm »
Interesting read from Cuban's blog about the process.  He acts like an idiot from time to time, but he's also really open about behind the scenes happenings that you don't normally get to find about it.

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I see Cuban has met Justice...

What I have learned in 11 years in the sports business is that the dumbest guys in the room are always the media guys. Some do a decent job of reporting, most just spew opinions.  And those opinions change more often than they brush their teeth. So what the media was saying was of zero impact or influence on what i was going to do. Listening to the media only increases your odds of failing at whatever you are doing.  So I ignore them.
In the end, my dissolution with the game of baseball will not be a result of any loss of love for the game, rather from the realization that I can no longer bear the anger its supposed stewards cause to be built up in my soul. -Lee (01/08/2013)

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Re: Rangers not yet to Ryan
« Reply #143 on: August 06, 2010, 12:03:40 pm »
Why is the team in a city the size of San Antonio still playing in AA, and what would it take for the Astros to get a AAA affiliate there? When does the Padres' deal with the Missions end?

Living in San Antonio I go to the Missions games and there are always a ton of Astros fans there not matter who the Missions play.