Damnit Vondrell!

[Lurch]

These kids just dont get it.

[OregonStrosFan]

These kids just dont get it.

UT ain't shit.

-Oregon Ducks

[94CougarGrad]

Pulled over for a dee-wee and the coach's pronounced punishment is missing the Rice game, a fantastically well-attended practice?

[Waldo]

Pulled over for a dee-wee and the coach's pronounced punishment is missing the Rice game, a fantastically well-attended practice?

We’ve talked to Vondrell and his family and decided , as of now, he will miss at least the first game next season and will be working with the scout team until he is eligible to play.

Sergio Kindle got a 3-game suspension for DWI in 2007.

[94CougarGrad]

So if you repeat the 3-game thing, that'd be Rice and Wyoming in Austin and Tech in Lubbock. Poor little Rice and Wyoming.

[Rebel Jew]

These kids just dont get it.

"...after he was pulled over for driving without his headlights"

talk about kids not getting it.  texas cops will pull you over 100000000000000 out of 1000000 times if you do this.  hell, i don't know how many times i obsessively studied my license plate lights while i was living in texas for fear they were somehow out but i wasn't picking up on it.

[HudsonHawk]

Pulled over for a dee-wee and the coach's pronounced punishment is missing the Rice game, a fantastically well-attended practice?

So what do you think is an appropriate punishment?

[Waldo]

So what do you think is an appropriate punishment?

Removal from the team, obviously.

I think Mack lost some tolerance for this kind of stuff during the offseason of arrests ('07).  McGee will probably serve the 1-game suspension regardless, and may get 1-2 more games added on depending on the conclusion of the legal process.

A few recent suspensions for arrests:

D.J. Monroe ('09 DWI) - three games (KU, @TAMU, B12 CCG), charges eventually dropped, reinstated for MNC game.
Marcus Davis ('09 DWI & controlled substance) - suspended indefinitely (B12 CCG, MNC), transferred.
Lamarr Houston ('08 DWI) - one game (UTEP)
Henry Melton ('07 DWI) - three games (Ark State, TCU, @UCF)
Sergio Kindle ('07 DWI) - three games (Ark State, TCU, @UCF)

[JimR]

So if you repeat the 3-game thing, that'd be Rice and Wyoming in Austin and Tech in Lubbock. Poor little Rice and Wyoming.

excuse me. the RB is question will not play all year, suspension or no suspension, just as he did not play AT ALL the last half of last season.

i suspect that Mr. Dumbass may be finished.

[Ron Brand]

He sure as hell picked the wrong season to screw up in. If you're being generous he's tied for #2 in the rotation but he's staring #4 in the face and they've got a serious crop on the way. Dumbass.

[MusicMan]

excuse me. the RB is question will not play all year, suspension or no suspension, just as he did not play AT ALL the last half of last season.

i suspect that Mr. Dumbass may be finished.

Bingo.  He just moved to scout team on a 6-deep RB rotation.  People are missing out on that part of the punishment.

[JimR]

"...after he was pulled over for driving without his headlights"

talk about kids not getting it.  texas cops will pull you over 100000000000000 out of 1000000 times if you do this.  hell, i don't know how many times i obsessively studied my license plate lights while i was living in texas for fear they were somehow out but i wasn't picking up on it.

they should pull people over for this in every state.

[Rebel Jew]

they should pull people over for this in every state.

people should not be harrassed by police in every state

[HudsonHawk]

people should not be harrassed by police in every state

Enforcing the law requiring you to use your headlights when operating a motor vehicle is not harrassment.

[MRaup]

Enforcing the law requiring you to use your headlights when operating a motor vehicle is not harrassment.

Oh please god no, not this shit again.

(Not you Hudson, just the whole debate)

[MusicMan]

Oh please god no, not this shit again.

(Not you Hudson, just the whole debate)

I keep it real, yo.  No front license plate for me.

Of course, I also go rollin in my 5.0 with the ragtop down so my hair can blow.

[Rebel Jew]

Enforcing the law requiring you to use your headlights when operating a motor vehicle is not harrassment.

that's not what i was talking about.  i'm talking about texas cops pulling you over because your rear license plate light "appears dim" or any other number of other similar reasons for a police officer to get in your car. 

[HudsonHawk]

Of course, I also go rollin in my 5.0 with the ragtop down so my hair can blow.

If that's not already a song, it needs to be.

[Limey]

If that's not already a song, it needs to be.

Take heed.  Cos he's a lyrical poet.

[MusicMan]

Take heed.  Cos he's a lyrical poet.

If my rhyme was a drug I'd sell it by the gram.

[Limey]

If my rhyme was a drug I'd sell it by the gram.

Just as long as you keep your composure when it's time to get loose.

[JimR]

people should not be harrassed by police in every state

fucking ridiculous post. even for you.

[Taras Bulba]

people should not be harrassed by police in every state

Lots of harrassment in Connecticut would be good.  Rhode Island, too.  Pissant bastards.

[HudsonHawk]

Lots of harrassment in Connecticut would be good.  Rhode Island, too.  Pissant bastards.

And if Limeyland suddenly said "we want New Jersey back", I wouldn't put up a fuss.

[MusicMan]

And if Limeyland suddenly said "we want New Jersey back", I wouldn't put up a fuss.

I was just a lad and running with a twopence in my hand,
Into the tube stop to pick up The Sun for my dear dad.
I'd sit in his lap in that big old Rolls and steer as we drove through the hamlets...

[94CougarGrad]

Bingo.  He just moved to scout team on a 6-deep RB rotation.  People are missing out on that part of the punishment.

That's an appropriate punishment. I did miss out on that. I don't know anything about the guy or how vital he is to the team, but a mistake like that should warrant missing important games.

I know every game is important and should be treated as such, but let's face it- UT is almost assuredly going to pummel Rice and Wyoming far into the ground, and the Horns aren't going to take those games as seriously as they would, say, Tech.

[JimR]

That's an appropriate punishment. I did miss out on that. I don't know anything about the guy or how vital he is to the team, but a mistake like that should warrant missing important games.

I know every game is important and should be treated as such, but let's face it- UT is almost assuredly going to pummel Rice and Wyoming far into the ground, and the Horns aren't going to take those games as seriously as they would, say, Tech.

no, that is not how it works. decide the number of games, and it starts when the season starts. Vondrell was not going to play much, if at all.

[Lurch]

That's an appropriate punishment. I did miss out on that. I don't know anything about the guy or how vital he is to the team, but a mistake like that should warrant missing important games.

I know every game is important and should be treated as such, but let's face it- UT is almost assuredly going to pummel Rice and Wyoming far into the ground, and the Horns aren't going to take those games as seriously as they would, say, Tech.

To Jim's point, he wasn't likely to play much anyway.  That said, many of these guys are trying to set themselves up to be drafted into the NFL.  They certainly do not want to miss any games, especially ones where there may be an opportunity to showcase their skills with a large number of carries, snaps, etc.

The team may be better off with a player missing one of these earlier games (and that's clearly not their intent), but the player is not.  Who are you trying to punish, the player or the team?

[Ron Brand]

I know it isn't your point, but in Vondrell's case if he couldn't separate among UT's backs the last two years, he's not going anywhere but to the Tastee Freeze.

[Alkie]

And if Limeyland suddenly said "we want New Jersey back", I wouldn't put up a fuss.

You're saying this is a real possibility, right?  Right?

[homer]

that's not what i was talking about.  i'm talking about texas cops pulling you over because your rear license plate light "appears dim" or any other number of other similar reasons for a police officer to get in your car. 

'driving without headlights.' not his license plate light.

[94CougarGrad]

no, that is not how it works. decide the number of games, and it starts when the season starts. Vondrell was not going to play much, if at all.

I know how it works. I guess I just think that a punishment (like missing "important" games) needs to hammer the point home. I'm sure I'm explaining myself very poorly, and I'm sorry about that.

I'm sure that whatever the coaching staff comes up with will be fair and appropriate, and any other resulting effects- such as going from having a chance to play to NOT having a chance to play- will hammer the point home quite forcefully.

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

Back when I was a hairy young lad and looked like one of the usual suspects, I would get pulled over because the cops were whimsical like that.

[geezerdonk]

Hippying in a No Hippying Zone.