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Friday Beer (and cigar)
« on: April 09, 2010, 04:50:52 pm »
Hacker-Pschorr Hefe Weisse.  Oliva Serie G cameroon torpedo.

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Re: Friday Beer (and cigar)
« Reply #1 on: April 09, 2010, 04:55:28 pm »
I'm thinking Pepsi Throwback to go with my smothered hamburger steak and if I'm lucky, some Haagen-Dazs Chocolate Peanut Butter ice cream for dessert. If I'm not, then it might be time to hit the Glenlivet around the 8th inning or so, when everybody else is going to bed.

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« Reply #2 on: April 09, 2010, 05:02:23 pm »
I'm thinking Pepsi Throwback to go with my smothered hamburger steak and if I'm lucky, some Haagen-Dazs Chocolate Peanut Butter ice cream for dessert. If I'm not, then it might be time to hit the Glenlivet around the 8th inning or so, when everybody else is going to bed.

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I plan to start drinking earlier.

BTW, iPod is on, listening to The Band's Music From Big Pink.  Seems to go very well with the pair I've chosen.
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Re: Friday Beer (and cigar)
« Reply #3 on: April 09, 2010, 05:04:37 pm »

I plan to start drinking earlier.

BTW, iPod is on, listening to The Band's Music From Big Pink.  Seems to go very well with the pair I've chosen.

I've got too many drape apes for that just yet. I applaud your musical choice.

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« Reply #4 on: April 09, 2010, 05:18:30 pm »
Miller Lite at the ballgame for me.
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« Reply #5 on: April 09, 2010, 05:24:21 pm »
I shall be having Amstel Light and Pizzitola's ribs.
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« Reply #6 on: April 09, 2010, 05:24:29 pm »
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« Reply #7 on: April 09, 2010, 05:29:56 pm »
Pizzi's ribs... best in Houston. Well, that I've had, anyway.
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« Reply #8 on: April 09, 2010, 05:57:20 pm »
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« Reply #9 on: April 09, 2010, 08:30:36 pm »
BTW, iPod is on, listening to The Band's Music From Big Pink.  Seems to go very well with the pair I've chosen.

I've always thought that the opening track from this their first album was a most curious choice. I mean, I love that it begins as it does but I would never in a million years have expected them to slot Tears of Rage first.
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« Reply #10 on: April 09, 2010, 09:05:33 pm »
Yeah, it seems like the kind of song that would end Side 1.
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« Reply #11 on: April 10, 2010, 06:56:28 am »
You guys actually think about where a song is on an album?
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« Reply #12 on: April 10, 2010, 07:43:05 am »
You guys actually think about where a song is on an album?

Well, I used to, but CDs have kinda taken the fun out of that. Good albums are like lineups, there's a reason each song is where it is in the sequence.

Bad albums don't give a shit which song is #3.
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« Reply #13 on: April 10, 2010, 08:09:15 am »
You guys actually think about where a song is on an album?

Of course. An album isn't simply a collection of unrelated individual songs. At least the good albums aren't.
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« Reply #14 on: April 10, 2010, 08:49:37 am »
You guys actually think about where a song is on an album?

Yes.  When all there was was albums that you had to manually turn over.  The order was important, first and last song on each side especially.

Not so much now.
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« Reply #15 on: April 10, 2010, 09:10:33 am »
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« Reply #16 on: April 10, 2010, 09:17:42 am »
Good albums are like lineups, there's a reason each song is where it is in the sequence.

My kids have got more interested in the Beatles since the remixes came out.  My youngest son and I were in the car one day listening to part of the medley on XM  -- "Golden Slumbers" thru "Bathroom Window", I think -- and I went into this long discussion about Abbey Road, Side Two, and how it was a masterful blending of all this extra material the band had laying around and stuff, and he stopped me.  "Side Two?"

I'd forgot CDs are one-sided.  And, of course, Limewire doesn't have sides.

When all there was was albums that you had to manually turn over. . .  the order was important, first and last song on each side especially. . .

Absolutely.  Lots of examples of this.

I was always interested in the last song on Side Two (or Side Four, or Six) especially, the album ender.  It was interesting to me how the artist wanted to leave things, until the next (hopefully) LP, anyway.

I remember when Neil Young's Trans came out, early '80s.  A lot of NY dilettante fans hated it, it was computer music kind of patterned after Kraftwerk, unlike almost all his previous output.  But I knew he was expirementing, which was important, and I kind of liked the weird remake of "Mr. Soul". . .  then one came to the very last song on the album, which was "Like An Inca". . . a gorgeous epic in Young's best tradition, shimmering guitars, lyrics reworked from a song he'd been playing in concert for years, "Hitchhiker", I think it was called.  What a reward, and entirely different from everything else on the LP.

When London Calling was originally released, "Train In Vain" was the last song on Side 4 (and the album), but was not listed anywhere on the jacket or the label.  You just had to listen to the whole LP to hear it, unless someone told you beforehand.

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« Reply #17 on: April 10, 2010, 09:48:19 am »
Whatever you say.

This started to happen more often in the mid-60s, when the shift to performers who wrote their own material and had more of a cohesive concept in mind began to flourish. Before that, albums were mostly a collection of singles and filler.

The 13th Floor Elevators first album was supposed to be sequenced to tell a story, as were Pet Sounds, Ogden's Nut Gone Flake and later, Sergeant Pepper.

The corollary to that was that producers who didn't have a story to tell with an album would sequence them so that the hits were in the #2 slot of side 1 and the #1 slot of side 2, or some such. They had theories on what would be successful and make the album flow better.

There were always discussions as to what followed what, at least as far as the Beatles are concerned, as far back as 1963 and the industry pretty much followed the trends they set. I haven't studied the studio habits of, say,  Perry Como or The 1910 Fruitgum Company, but the real acts with serious artistic concerns always paid a lot of attention to album sequencing.
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« Reply #18 on: April 10, 2010, 09:55:54 am »
Yes.  When all there was was albums that you had to manually turn over.  The order was important, first and last song on each side especially.

Not so much now.

If "Ten" had come out in the vinyl (or hell, even cassette) era, it would have been an all-timer of a "Side A vs. Side B" discussion.
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« Reply #19 on: April 10, 2010, 01:44:04 pm »
You guys actually think about where a song is on an album?

I spend an inordinate amount of time thinking about this, yes. Ron Brand has it exactly right, the sequencing of a good album is every bit as important as the batting lineup of a good team.

He's also right about Tears of Rage being a perfect side one ender. But they didn't do that, you see, so it jumbles everything else up on that record. They knew perfectly well that the song is an atypical opener yet they slotted it there anyway. Why? I have a few ideas why, but the decision to begin the record in that manner profoundly impacts the feel of the entire listening experience.
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« Reply #20 on: April 10, 2010, 02:16:03 pm »
I spend an inordinate amount of time thinking about this, yes. Ron Brand has it exactly right, the sequencing of a good album is every bit as important as the batting lineup of a good team.

He's also right about Tears of Rage being a perfect side one ender. But they didn't do that, you see, so it jumbles everything else up on that record. They knew perfectly well that the song is an atypical opener yet they slotted it there anyway. Why? I have a few ideas why, but the decision to begin the record in that manner profoundly impacts the feel of the entire listening experience.

i also could never stand the way the second album starts with what is by far the album's worst song (across the great divide)

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« Reply #21 on: April 10, 2010, 03:24:01 pm »
i also could never stand the way the second album starts with what is by far the album's worst song (across the great divide)

Another curious choice, yes, but I can see it as an opener, thematically, anyway.
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« Reply #22 on: April 11, 2010, 03:53:28 pm »
What if a couple of you deep-thinking gehiuses-say, Chuck and HH-disagrer about the order of the songs? Is it a good album or bad?
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« Reply #23 on: April 11, 2010, 05:32:23 pm »
What if a couple of you deep-thinking gehiuses-say, Chuck and HH-disagrer about the order of the songs? Is it a good album or bad?

I should emphasize that with the two albums in question I do not object to the sequencing at all. The opening tracks of each are odd choices in my view but both albums hold together beautifully as entities. They're both very satisfying albums with strange opening songs.
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« Reply #24 on: April 11, 2010, 05:37:36 pm »
What if a couple of you deep-thinking gehiuses-say, Chuck and HH-disagrer about the order of the songs? Is it a good album or bad?

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« Reply #25 on: April 11, 2010, 10:13:33 pm »
What if a couple of you deep-thinking gehiuses-say, Chuck and HH-disagrer about the order of the songs? Is it a good album or bad?

No. The order of the songs doesn't really diminish how a song stands on its own, and a great album has great songs. The skillful sequencing of an album can tell a story if that's what the artist/producer wanted to do, or it can maximize the listener's enjoyment by complimentary juxtaposition.

If you're an artist and you have a set list for your concert, you're trying to draw the listener on some kind of an emotional journey by deciding what songs should be grouped together in what order - three fast ones, two slow ones, then the big killer hit, some new tunes and then you close with the hits, etc. It's very much the same thing with an album. It's an art, not a science, so there isn't a correct answer but doing it right can make a great album flow together to approach some kind of sublime zeitgeist. The best albums work on that principle. Those songs are put in that order for a reason; a different order won't make it bad, but it might keep it from having that special resonance with the masses that the best order achieves.

For instance, The Red-Headed Stranger doesn't make a whole lot of sense if the songs are out of order. They're still great songs, but the story doesn't get told. The Beatles had pacing in mind - they wanted to move you emotionally and change the pace throughout the record, to make you think about the individual songs more and the relationships they had with the other songs and with the writers.
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« Reply #26 on: April 11, 2010, 10:46:17 pm »
The Beatles had pacing in mind - they wanted to move you emotionally and change the pace throughout the record, to make you think about the individual songs more and the relationships they had with the other songs and with the writers.

Why do you think they began Revolver with Taxman? It's an odd but to me brilliant choice.
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« Reply #27 on: April 11, 2010, 11:10:38 pm »
Why do you think they began Revolver with Taxman? It's an odd but to me brilliant choice.

I can't think of another song on that album that would lead off nearly as well. It's in your face, has the spoken count-in, great guitar lick, it's probably the fastest, most rocking song. All of the journey follows from that track, and if you put it anyplace else, it breaks up the experimental styles of the rest of the record.

I can't imagine any other sequence to that album. It's absolutely perfect.
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« Reply #28 on: April 12, 2010, 01:15:26 am »
I can't think of another song on that album that would lead off nearly as well. It's in your face, has the spoken count-in, great guitar lick, it's probably the fastest, most rocking song. All of the journey follows from that track, and if you put it anyplace else, it breaks up the experimental styles of the rest of the record.

I can't imagine any other sequence to that album. It's absolutely perfect.

Yeah, I listened to the record as I was cooking tonight. I find it odd that a Harrison song would kick things off but it is uptempo and the count-in (and cough) is cool and octave bass riff lets you know you're in for serious business... If I had been in the band - and I couldn't have been in the band because I am an idiot and not a genius - but if I had been in the band I might have argued for And Your Bird Can Sing but then that would have fucked the whole thing up.
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« Reply #29 on: April 12, 2010, 07:04:15 am »
Yeah, I listened to the record as I was cooking tonight. I find it odd that a Harrison song would kick things off but it is uptempo and the count-in (and cough) is cool and octave bass riff lets you know you're in for serious business... If I had been in the band - and I couldn't have been in the band because I am an idiot and not a genius - but if I had been in the band I might have argued for And Your Bird Can Sing but then that would have fucked the whole thing up.

I love that song and the shimmering layers of ringing guitar. It works for me better as a bridge though, it's not quite as gritty as Taxman and certainly not as anthemic. That's my favorite Beatle album, but picking that isn't some simple task, more like deciding which flower in the field is the prettiest.
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« Reply #30 on: April 12, 2010, 07:39:52 am »
It's impossible for me to choose a favorite. But from Rubber Soul to Abbey Road, excluding Yellow Submarine--I love those more than I love the rest.
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« Reply #31 on: April 12, 2010, 08:02:50 am »
It's impossible for me to choose a favorite. But from Rubber Soul to Abbey Road, excluding Yellow Submarine--I love those more than I love the rest.

Yes.  I'm pretty partial to the White Album and Revolver.

George Martin's 'theory' on track sequencing was to start off with a bang, and end each side strong, with the weaker material toward the end.  Taxman is a good choice as Chuck says--it was a serious departure from the group's previous work, plus the faux count-in as a throwback to Please Please Me.  Funny how much of a McCartney stamp is on Taxman, with the pretty fucking amazing bass line, and the guitar solo in the middle.  Same for And Your Bird Can Sing, the guitars in duet were arranged and played by McCartney and Harrison.

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That Sgt Pepper has two endings has always been funny to me.  They ended the theme with the reprise, then went into A Day in the Life which couldn't possibly be anywhere but the end of an album
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« Reply #33 on: April 12, 2010, 09:55:05 am »
It's impossible for me to choose a favorite. But from Rubber Soul to Abbey Road, excluding Yellow Submarine--I love those more than I love the rest.

I like Yellow Submarine.  You just have to accept what it is.
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« Reply #34 on: April 12, 2010, 10:11:32 am »
The record, or the remastered Yellow Submarine Songtrack that came out with the DVD release?
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« Reply #35 on: April 12, 2010, 10:21:32 am »
The record, or the remastered Yellos Submarine Songtrack that came out with the DVD release?

I assume we're talking about the album, which was the soundtrack for the film.
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« Reply #36 on: April 12, 2010, 10:32:55 am »
I assume we're talking about the album, which was the soundtrack for the film.

No, they're two different things. The CD that came out when the movie was rereleased is called the Yellow Submarine Songtrack and is remastered, has different songs (and some different versions) and the vinyl record and maybe the 1983 CD - I don't know for sure - had one side of songs from the movie and one side of George Martin's instrumental stuff. The Songtrack is glorious; the songs are incredibly punchy and have been remastered in a way that Martin would never, ever do to the rest of the canon.

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« Reply #37 on: April 12, 2010, 10:35:57 am »
No, they're two different things. The CD that came out when the movie was rereleased is called the Yellow Submarine Songtrack and is remastered, has different songs (and some different versions) and the vinyl record and maybe the 1983 CD - I don't know for sure - had one side of songs from the movie and one side of George Martin's instrumental stuff. The Songtrack is glorious; the songs are incredibly punchy and have been remastered in a way that Martin would never, ever do to the rest of the canon.

I'm kind of a Beatle nerd. Sorta.

Not only remastered but remixed.  I haven't heard it myself (which I hate to admit!), but I understand eveyone that's heard it shares your opinion.  Sounds like I need to go buy me a CD...

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"All Together Now"
"Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds"
"Think for Yourself" (Harrison)
"Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band"
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"Baby, You're a Rich Man"
"Only a Northern Song" (Harrison)
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« Reply #38 on: April 12, 2010, 10:38:32 am »
Yeah, I was hastily using 'remastered' as a shorthand but should've made that distinction. It's not only remastered, but remixed as well. I'm stunned Apple let it out.
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« Reply #39 on: April 12, 2010, 10:59:35 am »
No, they're two different things. The CD that came out when the movie was rereleased is called the Yellow Submarine Songtrack and is remastered, has different songs (and some different versions) and the vinyl record and maybe the 1983 CD - I don't know for sure - had one side of songs from the movie and one side of George Martin's instrumental stuff. The Songtrack is glorious; the songs are incredibly punchy and have been remastered in a way that Martin would never, ever do to the rest of the canon.

I'm kind of a Beatle nerd. Sorta.

I'm talking about the album "Yellow Submarine", it was released in 1969 as the soundtrack for the animated film of the same name.
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« Reply #40 on: April 12, 2010, 12:28:23 pm »
It's impossible for me to choose a favorite. But from Rubber Soul to Abbey Road, excluding Yellow Submarine--I love those more than I love the rest.

I've often made the claim -- drunk, sober, and otherwise -- that the Stones' Beggar's Banquet, Let It Bleed, Sticky Fingers, and Exile on Main St. is the best four consecutuive album run by any band or artist, anywhere, anytime.

But even I'll admit you have a pretty good argument with Sgt. Pepper's thru Abbey Road (sans Yellow Submarine.)

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« Reply #41 on: April 12, 2010, 12:32:42 pm »
I've often made the claim -- drunk, sober, and otherwise -- that the Stones' Beggar's Banquet, Let It Bleed, Sticky Fingers, and Exile on Main St. is the best four consecutuive album run by any band or artist, anywhere, anytime.

But even I'll admit you have a pretty good argument with Sgt. Pepper's thru Abbey Road (sans Yellow Submarine.)

Tack Rubber Soul and Revolver onto the front of that list and you have a six album run that is very hard to argue with.
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« Reply #42 on: April 12, 2010, 12:34:15 pm »
I've often made the claim -- drunk, sober, and otherwise -- that the Stones' Beggar's Banquet, Let It Bleed, Sticky Fingers, and Exile on Main St. is the best four consecutuive album run by any band or artist, anywhere, anytime.

But even I'll admit you have a pretty good argument with Sgt. Pepper's thru Abbey Road (sans Yellow Submarine.)
Revolver should be the start of that list.  I think that was the watershed album for them, the transition from being performers to being, for lack of a better word, artists.
I recently read a remark by one of their recording engineers that said the Beatles in general weren't virtuosos in their particular instruments, unless you consider the studio an instrument, and at that they were masters.

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« Reply #43 on: April 12, 2010, 12:40:06 pm »
I recently read a remark by one of their recording engineers that said the Beatles in general weren't virtuosos in their particular instruments, unless you consider the studio an instrument, and at that they were masters.

I do not see how you could not say that Paul McCartney was a virtuoso on the bass guitar.
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« Reply #44 on: April 12, 2010, 12:43:54 pm »
I do not see how you could not say that Paul McCartney was a virtuoso on the bass guitar.

I should have added the disclaimer that I didn't agree with his initial premise.  Bass guitar is the way it is today because of Sir Paul, imo.  He was and is amazing on the instrument.


ETA, here is the article, with engineer Ken Scott.  I thought he was a little down on the group, to be honest: http://www.premierguitar.com/Magazine/Issue/2010/Mar/Interview_Ken_Scott_Part_1_Recording_with_The_Beatles_Inside_the_Studio.aspx

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« Reply #45 on: April 12, 2010, 01:02:21 pm »
Damn shame he and George didn't get to removing the reverb from All Things Must Pass. I love that album, but I'd really like to hear it stripped of reverb as well.
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« Reply #46 on: April 12, 2010, 01:10:19 pm »
Of course. An album isn't simply a collection of unrelated individual songs. At least the good albums aren't.

That's right.  Every one of the tracks on Hootie and Blowfish's debut album was exactly the fucking same.

FTR: I didn't buy it, but a colleague (with extraordinarily bad taste in music) did.
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« Reply #47 on: April 12, 2010, 01:15:43 pm »
I do not see how you could not say that Paul McCartney was a virtuoso on the bass guitar.

Well, I do not see how you could not say that Paul McCartney wasn't a virtuoso on an instrument that wasn't the bass guitar. 
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« Reply #48 on: April 12, 2010, 01:22:38 pm »
Well, I do not see how you could not say that Paul McCartney wasn't a virtuoso on an instrument that wasn't the bass guitar. 

Which reminds me of the Douglas Adams line, "It has been my profound lack of displeasure to have failed to avoid meeting you" .

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« Reply #49 on: April 12, 2010, 01:27:27 pm »
That's right.  Every one of the tracks on Hootie and Blowfish's debut album was exactly the fucking same.

FTR: I didn't buy it, but a colleague (with extraordinarily bad taste in music) did.

It's a bizarre little thing.  An album sells 16 million copies, but no one ever purchased it.

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« Reply #50 on: April 12, 2010, 01:48:50 pm »
Well, I do not see how you could not say that Paul McCartney wasn't a virtuoso on an instrument that wasn't the bass guitar. 

He's pretty good on the pianny but I wouldn't call him a virtuoso. If you mean the jew's harp, well, you may have a point.
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« Reply #51 on: April 12, 2010, 01:50:53 pm »
He's pretty good on the pianny but I wouldn't call him a virtuoso. If you mean the jew's harp, well, you may have a point.

Easily the second best guitarist in the band.  And drummer.

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« Reply #52 on: April 12, 2010, 01:58:28 pm »
Easily the second best guitarist in the band.  And drummer.

I've told this story before surely - at one point Ringo exclaimed 'I'm tha best droomer in tha werld!' And John shot back, 'Ringo, yer no' even the best droomer in tha Beatles!'
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« Reply #53 on: April 12, 2010, 02:09:25 pm »
I've told this story before surely - at one point Ringo exclaimed 'I'm tha best droomer in tha werld!' And John shot back, 'Ringo, yer no' even the best droomer in tha Beatles!'

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« Reply #54 on: April 12, 2010, 02:10:46 pm »
Get outta here Dewey!

Alright...if you promise...just this one time...you can go drop acid with The Beatles.
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« Reply #55 on: April 12, 2010, 02:23:38 pm »
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« Reply #56 on: April 13, 2010, 06:36:27 am »
I like Yellow Submarine.  You just have to accept what it is.

I like it for what it is.
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« Reply #57 on: April 13, 2010, 06:53:09 am »
I've told this story before surely - at one point Ringo exclaimed 'I'm tha best droomer in tha werld!' And John shot back, 'Ringo, yer no' even the best droomer in tha Beatles!'
The way I always heard it was, Lennon was being interviewed and was asked if Ringo was the best drummer in the world. To which he shot back the "not even the best drummer in the band" comment. I believe Lennon was just having fun at Ringo's expense and probably taking a shot at Paul's ego at the same time. John also made quite a few positive comments about Ringo's drumming over the years as did Paul and George. IMO Ringo was perfect for the Beatles and totally wrong for the Who or Led Zep.
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« Reply #58 on: April 13, 2010, 07:41:42 am »
The way I always heard it was, Lennon was being interviewed and was asked if Ringo was the best drummer in the world. To which he shot back the "not even the best drummer in the band" comment. I believe Lennon was just having fun at Ringo's expense and probably taking a shot at Paul's ego at the same time. John also made quite a few positive comments about Ringo's drumming over the years as did Paul and George. IMO Ringo was perfect for the Beatles and totally wrong for the Who or Led Zep.
Mark Lewisohn, who has heard all the Beatles studio tapes (and hence is possibly the luckiest man alive), has said that very few of their failed takes over their whole career were due to mistakes by Ringo, "fewer than a dozen".  Interesting little article, http://riffraf.typepad.com/riffraf/2010/03/ringo-starr-great-musician-or-just-a-guy-who-liked-to-party-with-them.html.

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« Reply #59 on: April 13, 2010, 08:38:46 am »
Mark Lewisohn, who has heard all the Beatles studio tapes (and hence is possibly the luckiest man alive), has said that very few of their failed takes over their whole career were due to mistakes by Ringo, "fewer than a dozen".  Interesting little article, http://riffraf.typepad.com/riffraf/2010/03/ringo-starr-great-musician-or-just-a-guy-who-liked-to-party-with-them.html.

I saw an interview with George Martin once, where he was talking about why they signed up Ringo in the first place.  Martin said it was just this reason...that when you told Ringo to do something a certain way, he just turned around and nailed it.  They never had to worry about Ringo doing his part.
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« Reply #60 on: April 13, 2010, 12:05:47 pm »
I believe Lennon was just having fun at Ringo's expense and probably taking a shot at Paul's ego at the same time.

This is exactly how I take the comment, too. I agree totally that Ringo was the perfect drummer for the band and might very well have been a disaster in many others.
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« Reply #61 on: April 14, 2010, 09:58:52 am »
I don't spend as much time thinking about this as the geniuses, but I will add that I have never understood the 'random' button on a CD player. I am thinking in the context of when CDs first came out, not iTunes different artist playlist randomness.
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« Reply #62 on: April 14, 2010, 12:28:44 pm »
I don't spend as much time thinking about this as the geniuses, but I will add that I have never understood the 'random' button on a CD player. I am thinking in the context of when CDs first came out, not iTunes different artist playlist randomness.

Absolutely. If you've got a six CD changer in a trunk that's so plush it's like a movie star's trunk what are you getting out of random song play? But if you have 1,000 CDs worth of music on an iPod I can definitely see where randomness would be a good thing. Still, though, I never do it.
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« Reply #63 on: April 14, 2010, 12:57:00 pm »
I don't spend as much time thinking about this as the geniuses, but I will add that I have never understood the 'random' button on a CD player. I am thinking in the context of when CDs first came out, not iTunes different artist playlist randomness.

I'm absolutely on board with "the order of songs on an album makes a difference." That said, I was also a big fan of "random" on a CD player, particularly for albums I had listened to a million times. Having heard the CD so many times, sometimes I would be prone to tuning out for a bit because my mind already knew what was coming. Shaking up the order of songs sometimes made me notice songs (or parts of songs) differently.
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