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« on: February 18, 2010, 11:53:38 am »
Apparently a Cessna has intentionally crashed into a building in the Golden Triangle that housed FBI and IRS.  Per CNN, he burned his house down before taking off.

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« Reply #1 on: February 18, 2010, 11:54:58 am »
Apparently a Cessna has intentionally crashed into a building in the Golden Triangle that housed FBI and IRS.  Per CNN, he burned his house down before taking off.

Thoughts and prayers for all affected.

Reports here are that the building he crashed in to was the St. Edwards Continuing Education Building.

One person is missing, nobody reported dead as of yet.
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« Reply #2 on: February 18, 2010, 12:00:55 pm »
It is not the FBI building.  I hope all that were there are alright.  Scary times we live.
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« Reply #3 on: February 18, 2010, 12:01:37 pm »
About two miles from my building.  Scary watching the immediate aftermath while driving into work this morning.  I could see the black clouds rising in the horizon as I approached our parking lot.

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« Reply #4 on: February 18, 2010, 12:02:20 pm »
The Austin American-Statesman newspaper reported on its Web site that EMS officials have taken two patients to the hospital, and that there are several "walking wounded" at the scene. Paramedics have set up a triage center at the scene.

Harry Evans, an assistant chief with the Austin Fire Department, said one person from the building was unaccounted for.

"There may be other injuries, we are unsure at this time," Evans said during a news conference Thursday.

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« Reply #5 on: February 18, 2010, 12:04:51 pm »
The Austin American-Statesman newspaper reported on its Web site that EMS officials have taken two patients to the hospital, and that there are several "walking wounded" at the scene. Paramedics have set up a triage center at the scene.

Harry Evans, an assistant chief with the Austin Fire Department, said one person from the building was unaccounted for.

"There may be other injuries, we are unsure at this time," Evans said during a news conference Thursday.


We don't use that building yet, but it was tagged by my new bosses as the place where we will schedule our future training engagements.  I was intending to go look at the place in the near future.  WOW!

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« Reply #6 on: February 18, 2010, 12:08:29 pm »
I have a former coworker who works across the highway.  He said he didn't see or hear a thing until afterward.  We could see the smoke from the office.  Very disturbing event. 
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« Reply #7 on: February 18, 2010, 12:12:22 pm »
I have a former coworker who works across the highway.  He said he didn't see or hear a thing until afterward.  We could see the smoke from the office.  Very disturbing event. 

Yeah, I was over at those offices yesterday.  Scary

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« Reply #8 on: February 18, 2010, 12:20:08 pm »
Per CNN.com

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12:49 p.m.: The Internal Revenue Service in Dallas, Texas, told CNN that the building is a federal IRS outsourced building. It said 199 of its employees work there. The IRS said it thinks all employees are accounted for, but they are checking.
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« Reply #10 on: February 18, 2010, 12:46:47 pm »
http://www.statesman.com/blogs/content/shared-gen/blogs/austin/blotter/entries/2010/02/18/internet_note_posted_by_man_li.html?cxntcid=breaking_news

Just got done reading this.  The sad part is it sounds like someone professional was trying to help him with his mental issues but just couldn't get through to him.

ETA: He quotes IRC 1706 chapter and verse but doesn't recognize that IRA distributions are income - does not ring true to me.
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Re: Plane crash in Austin
« Reply #12 on: February 18, 2010, 02:10:40 pm »
Everyone else's fault but his. Even Austin gets some blame.

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« Reply #13 on: February 18, 2010, 02:12:03 pm »
Reading this was disturbing on so many levels.

Like the Pittsburgh health club shooter:  he had a long ass blog that read basically like a descent into madness that was frightening.  It's easy to Monday morning quarterback and think somebody should've noticed, but this kind of...I don't know, disease?  madness? seems so internalized that they probably both functioned as relatively normal, if a bit weird.  Sad--for the victims, I mean, suffering thanks to someone else's delusions.

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« Reply #14 on: February 18, 2010, 02:24:03 pm »
Everyone else's fault but his. Even Austin gets some blame.

Right.  Seemingly rational and cognitive thought processes, yet totally unable to recognise his own contribution to his trials (like moving to Austin before finding out that there's no work there for him).

I have familial experience with this exact mindset.  It's heartbreaking, because the appearance of rationality masks the insanity lurking behind the facade, and everyone around the person gets a front row seat for the trip down the rabbit hole.  Fortunately (or unfortunately), the situation I am close to is ongoing and the collateral damage is financial and emotional, rather than physical, but I am not sure which is worse to be honest.  And there are acts yet to be played out and I have no idea when, how or how badly it will end.  What I do know is that it isn't getting better and, as time goes on, more unwitting enablers are drawn into the blast radius.
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« Reply #15 on: February 18, 2010, 02:51:35 pm »
So politicians, the IRS, the Catholic Church, organized religion, the American Public, big businesses, labor unions, the government, Arthur Andersen, Patrick Moynihan, the .com bubble, 911, the airlines, the difference in the cost of living between Austin and Los Angeles, a piano, CPAs, the election process, the FAA, President Bush (the younger), big brother, and zombies.

Is that the list?

BTW, Ritz crackers aren't a splurge.  They are more economically efficent than bread, by virtue of their long shelf life.

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« Reply #16 on: February 18, 2010, 02:53:37 pm »
BTW, Ritz crackers aren't a splurge.  They are more economically efficent than bread, by virtue of their long shelf life.

Then those upitty fuckers need to change their name

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« Reply #17 on: February 18, 2010, 02:56:54 pm »
Then those upitty fuckers need to change their name

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« Reply #18 on: February 18, 2010, 03:16:05 pm »
If you want to lose all hope in humanity, go read the Chron commenters on this article.
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« Reply #19 on: February 18, 2010, 03:18:52 pm »
If you want to lose all hope in humanity, go read the Chron commenters on this article.

I don't have to. He's a hero, right?
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« Reply #20 on: February 18, 2010, 03:24:51 pm »
I don't have to. He's a hero, right?

Yep.  "Hope others follow his example", "how many IRS did he take with him?", etc.
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« Reply #21 on: February 18, 2010, 03:33:54 pm »
I like the ones that are saying Obama did it.
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« Reply #22 on: February 18, 2010, 03:34:12 pm »
Yep.  "Hope others follow his example", "how many IRS did he take with him?", etc.

Whenever I'm feeling down about myself, I can always count on the comment section of any Chron.com article to immediately boost my self-esteem.
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« Reply #23 on: February 18, 2010, 03:38:54 pm »
Whenever I'm feeling down about myself, I can always count on the comment section of any Chron.com article to immediately boost my self-esteem.

...and have me thinking seriously about arming myself against this army of mouth-breathers.
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« Reply #25 on: February 18, 2010, 03:47:04 pm »
Yep.  "Hope others follow his example", "how many IRS did he take with him?", etc.

Fucking trash, the lot of 'em. Sounds like the nutjob who aired her support on the Sam Malone radio show for the Virginia Tech shooter. Sam was flabbergasted.
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« Reply #27 on: February 18, 2010, 03:55:11 pm »
Fucking trash, the lot of 'em. Sounds like the nutjob who aired her support on the Sam Malone radio show for the Virginia Tech shooter. Sam was flabbergasted.

I never would have guessed that he went into radio after the bar closed.
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« Reply #28 on: February 18, 2010, 03:58:36 pm »
How soon until someone makes some wild accusation that this was the fault of the Tea Party movement.  Cue crazy reactionaries in four, three, two....

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« Reply #29 on: February 18, 2010, 03:58:46 pm »
Apparently, they are not limited to the Chron comments section.

I have a feeling that I should be grateful that my company won't allow access to this link.
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« Reply #30 on: February 18, 2010, 03:59:19 pm »
How soon until someone makes some wild accusation that this was the fault of the Tea Party movement.  Cue crazy reactionaries in four, three, two....

Wait a second, the Tea Baggers ARE the crazy reactionaries!
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« Reply #31 on: February 18, 2010, 04:03:02 pm »
Wait a second, the Tea Baggers ARE the crazy reactionaries!

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« Reply #32 on: February 18, 2010, 04:03:53 pm »
I have a feeling that I should be grateful that my company won't allow access to this link.

On the plus side, Facebook identifies all of the crazies by name.
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« Reply #33 on: February 18, 2010, 04:05:00 pm »
How soon until someone makes some wild accusation that this was the fault of the Tea Party movement.  Cue crazy reactionaries in four, three, two....

Right-wing nutters are saying already that he was a looney lefty.
Left-wing nutters are saying already that he was a looney tea-bagger.

Plus ca change...
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« Reply #34 on: February 18, 2010, 04:06:07 pm »
How soon until someone makes some wild accusation that this was the fault of the Tea Party movement.  Cue crazy reactionaries in four, three, two....

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Right-wing nutters are saying already that he was a looney lefty.
Left-wing nutters are saying already that he was a looney tea-bagger.

Plus ca change...

Just looking at Andy's list gleemed from the manifesto, I would say everyone is right and wrong all at the same time.  Now, if everyone just said "nut job" and left it at that, we'd have less strife in this world.

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« Reply #37 on: February 18, 2010, 05:28:46 pm »
Just looking at Andy's list gleemed from the manifesto, I would say everyone is right and wrong all at the same time.  Now, if everyone just said "nut job" and left it at that, we'd have less strife in this world.

Well, you say that, and it's true, but who brought it up?

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But you are correct, crazy is crazy, it knows no affiliation.

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« Reply #38 on: February 18, 2010, 08:49:37 pm »
I drive by there daily, and have done work in all four of the buildings there. The one involved is the one furthest north--next to the church, the FBI are next door, St Ed's next to the the FBI. I hope the injured a speedy recovery, it is really a blessing is that the casualties weren't much greater. I drove by the front side and the building is pretty badly damaged.
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« Reply #39 on: February 19, 2010, 07:47:18 am »
one IRS worker dead, apparently. two bodies recovered, and a 67 year old employee in the building did not come home from work.
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« Reply #40 on: February 19, 2010, 07:50:05 am »
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« Reply #41 on: February 19, 2010, 08:12:28 am »
An interesting local perspective ...

http://bythissign.blogspot.com/2010/02/domestic-terror-local-pain.html

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« Reply #42 on: February 19, 2010, 08:33:11 am »
The one involved is the one furthest north--next to the church, the FBI are next door, St Ed's next to the the FBI.

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« Reply #43 on: February 19, 2010, 09:21:37 am »
Wait a second, the Tea Baggers ARE the crazy reactionaries!

Congratulations. You are the only one on this board that had to make this political.

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« Reply #44 on: February 19, 2010, 10:08:06 am »
This board? Political? The hell you say.
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« Reply #45 on: February 19, 2010, 10:17:39 am »
This board? Political? The hell you say.
When it comes to political, "bored" is the correct spelling (under either of the associated meanings).
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« Reply #46 on: February 19, 2010, 10:18:24 am »
Congratulations. You are the only one on this board that had to make this political.

Wow.  Your tea must be sour.

Don't italics and all caps universally indicate a joke?  I must have read the wrong manual along with everybody else.
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« Reply #47 on: February 19, 2010, 10:58:46 am »
Wow.  Your tea must be sour.

Don't italics and all caps universally indicate a joke?  I must have read the wrong manual along with everybody else.


IF that was an attempt at humor, I apologize for my thickheadedness. I have not read the manual.

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« Reply #48 on: February 19, 2010, 11:02:20 am »

IF that was an attempt at humor, I apologize for my thickheadedness. I have not read the manual.

For the record, my take on crazy people who do crazy things is that they're crazy, and there's no point trying to ascribe to them any higher purpose. 
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« Reply #49 on: February 19, 2010, 11:04:52 am »
For the record, my take on crazy people who do crazy things is that they're crazy, and there's no point trying to ascribe to them any higher purpose. 

I agree.

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« Reply #50 on: February 19, 2010, 11:44:30 am »
There are video cameras all over that section of 183.   Anyone seen, or have a link to footage of the plane going in?

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« Reply #51 on: February 20, 2010, 09:41:12 am »
Ah, got my answer from KXAN, FBI has it all as evidence in their investigation.
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« Reply #52 on: February 20, 2010, 10:59:10 am »
Like the Pittsburgh health club shooter:  he had a long ass blog that read basically like a descent into madness that was frightening.  It's easy to Monday morning quarterback and think somebody should've noticed, but this kind of...I don't know, disease?  madness? seems so internalized that they probably both functioned as relatively normal, if a bit weird.  Sad--for the victims, I mean, suffering thanks to someone else's delusions.

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« Reply #53 on: February 20, 2010, 11:08:31 am »
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« Reply #54 on: February 20, 2010, 11:14:11 am »
I imagine him to be very much like Sandy Dennis in "Up the Down Staiecase", both in temperment and appearance.
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« Reply #55 on: February 22, 2010, 10:58:23 am »
Well, at least this Joe Stack guy was not only a waste of a human being, but managed to screw up his daughter completely too:

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35519143/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/
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« Reply #56 on: February 22, 2010, 11:05:41 am »
From the same article (thankfully):

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"People say (Stack) is a patriot. What's he a patriot for? He hasn't served the country. My dad did two tours of Vietnam and this guy is going to be a patriot and no one is going to say that about my dad? That's what got me started talking. I couldn't stand it anymore," Ken Hunter said.

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« Reply #57 on: February 22, 2010, 11:07:11 am »
Well, at least this Joe Stack guy was not only a waste of a human being, but managed to screw up his daughter completely too:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35519143/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/

This is obviously coming from the superior ex-pat voice of someone who "escaped" the oppresive American government and lives in a state of perpetual "happy-fun time" bliss in Norway.

I've met several of these individuals in my life, and I hate every one of them.

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« Reply #58 on: February 22, 2010, 11:13:19 am »
This is obviously coming from the superior ex-pat voice of someone who "escaped" the oppresive American government and lives in a state of perpetual "happy-fun time" bliss in Norway.

I've met several of these individuals in my life, and I hate every one of them.

By the way, all you budding expats:

If you make over $75K in Norway, you pay 37%.  Over $125K, you're looking at 49%.

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« Reply #59 on: February 22, 2010, 11:15:17 am »
By the way, all you budding expats:

If you make over $75K in Norway, you pay 37%.  Over $125K, you're looking at 49%.

Enjoy.

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« Reply #60 on: February 22, 2010, 11:16:00 am »
Sure, but you still have to put that shitty Ikea stuff together yourself.
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« Reply #61 on: February 22, 2010, 11:17:21 am »
Sure, but you still have to put that shitty Ikea stuff together yourself.

It is shitty, but you can create quite the Allen wrench collection.  Provided you only need one size.

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« Reply #62 on: February 22, 2010, 11:22:35 am »
But there is no crime, death, racism, cruel names, or fatty foods in Norway.

And Ikea is free for everyone!

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« Reply #63 on: February 22, 2010, 11:25:59 am »
But there is no crime, death, racism, cruel names, or fatty foods in Norway.

And Ikea is free for everyone!

Whoops

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/1766028.stm
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« Reply #64 on: February 22, 2010, 11:29:43 am »
But there is no crime, death, racism, cruel names, or fatty foods in Norway.

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When travelling to Norway on business, it's always good form to take a bottle of duty free scotch.  It's the equivalent of giving them a gold-plated Rolls Royce.
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« Reply #65 on: February 22, 2010, 03:28:48 pm »
I guess having a regular job, obeying laws, paying my taxes and not trying to defraud the government makes me unpatriotic now. I fucking hate those goddamn assholes. Greedy cocksuckers who only think of themselves and who want the 'freedom' of not thinking about anyone else.
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« Reply #66 on: February 23, 2010, 07:00:24 am »
Yeah, I don't care how much one feels they've been screwed over by whatever, there is no reason to claim an innocent life, ever. That's why beyond everything else, the guy is simply a murderer. I understand that children often see parents as heroes but adult children need to see past the father figure of their childhood and acknowledge the facts. Her father was not a hero, he was weak, a coward, and a murderer.
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« Reply #67 on: February 24, 2010, 06:37:55 am »
Dead IRS employee's wife sues Sheryl Stack

According to the article, the lawsuit seeks "unspecified damages" and seeks to determine any insurance policies or other assets Joe Stack had.  The lawyer says that the primary goal of the lawsuit is to prevent Vernon Hunter's autopsy results from being publicly released, and that Valerie Hunter is not out to hurt Sheryl Stack.

Question for the legal types: does the latter jive with the former?  Is the "unspecified damages" claim a means to an end to prevent the release of the autopsy results, or is this just lawyerspeak?

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Dead IRS employee's wife sues Sheryl Stack

According to the article, the lawsuit seeks "unspecified damages" and seeks to determine any insurance policies or other assets Joe Stack had.  The lawyer says that the primary goal of the lawsuit is to prevent Vernon Hunter's autopsy results from being publicly released, and that Valerie Hunter is not out to hurt Sheryl Stack.

Question for the legal types: does the latter jive with the former?  Is the "unspecified damages" claim a means to an end to prevent the release of the autopsy results, or is this just lawyerspeak?

Sounds to me like the suit against Ms. Stack and the goal of preventing the autopsy from public release are probably different things, but it's not my area.

Basically, they want to poke around to see if any insurance policies exist that can provide a decent amount of compensation.  Just looking for bigger pockets.
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« Reply #69 on: February 24, 2010, 09:52:15 am »
there is no duty to warn in Texas. that is a frivolous theory.
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« Reply #70 on: February 24, 2010, 10:38:42 am »
Sounds to me like the suit against Ms. Stack and the goal of preventing the autopsy from public release are probably different things, but it's not my area.

Basically, they want to poke around to see if any insurance policies exist that can provide a decent amount of compensation.  Just looking for bigger pockets.

I made the same assumption.

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« Reply #71 on: February 24, 2010, 10:53:15 am »
I made the same assumption.

Makes sense, considering that Stack's tale of woah woe suggests very strongly that he didn't have a pot to piss in.
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Makes sense, considering that Stack's tale of woah woe suggests very strongly that he didn't have a pot to piss in.

He owned a fucking plane!
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« Reply #73 on: February 24, 2010, 10:56:45 am »
He owned a fucking plane!

I thought he stole it
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« Reply #74 on: February 24, 2010, 10:58:27 am »
He owned a fucking plane!

I think BZDY is right, and that he stole it.  However, as anyone who has ever had anything to do with private aviation will tell you, an aeroplane is a hole in the sky into which you pour lots of money.
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« Reply #75 on: February 24, 2010, 11:00:31 am »
I thought he stole it

That's what they first reported, but they later found that the plane was registered to him.  Unless he stole it and then registered it in his name...

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« Reply #76 on: February 24, 2010, 11:03:51 am »
That's what they first reported, but they later found that the plane was registered to him.  Unless he stole it and then registered it in his name...

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« Reply #77 on: February 24, 2010, 11:07:02 am »
Crafty bastard.

He could do that, yet still fucked up his life taxes?  Curiouser and curiouser.
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« Reply #78 on: February 24, 2010, 11:10:36 am »
Doesn't this kind of thing happen all the time in auto accidents, especially with DWI cases?

One of my relatives died in a car accident about two years ago. He owned and maintained a race car (think Dukes of Hazzard) that he loved and, after doing some repairs on it one day, took it for a test drive at high speed down a rural Central Texas highway. His stepdaughter's 17-yr-old boyfriend rode with him. On the floor of the vehicle, without a seat or safety belt. Tragically, something went awry with the steering and my relative lost control, slamming into some heavy farm machinery parked on property adjacent to the highway. He died at the scene while his stepdaughter's boyfriend suffered facial injuries and a broken leg. Clearly there was some degree of negligence involved, so I wasn't surprised when I learned that the kid's family was suing for damages. My cousin's wife was the named defendant, individually and as a representative of his estate. It sucked but it wasn't exactly unexpected.

IMO there's really not much to see here except the Statesman's shitty reporting. Great job informing your readership and villainizing Mrs. Hunter, AAS reporter.

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« Reply #79 on: February 24, 2010, 11:17:06 am »
there is no duty to warn in Texas. that is a frivolous theory.

How does that come into play?  I thought they were just suing the estate and named the Mrs. as the executor (trix?). 
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« Reply #80 on: February 24, 2010, 11:21:43 am »
He owned a fucking plane!

The IRS (among others) probably had a lien on it.
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« Reply #81 on: February 24, 2010, 11:23:36 am »
How does that come into play?  I thought they were just suing the estate and named the Mrs. as the executor (trix?).  

According to the Statesman's report, the lawsuit filed names Sheryl Stack and says that she had a duty to "avoid a foreseeable risk of injury to others," and that her hotel stay the night before indicates that she had knowledge that he posed a threat.

Sounds like bullshit to me, but whatever.

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« Reply #82 on: February 24, 2010, 11:30:24 am »
How does that come into play?  I thought they were just suing the estate and named the Mrs. as the executor (trix?). 


According to the Austin American Probable, the suit claims the wife knew what Stack intended to do and should haver warned the authorities making her liable for what he did.

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« Reply #83 on: February 24, 2010, 02:22:46 pm »
According to the Statesman's report, the lawsuit filed names Sheryl Stack and says that she had a duty to "avoid a foreseeable risk of injury to others," and that her hotel stay the night before indicates that she had knowledge that he posed a threat.

Sounds like bullshit to me, but whatever.

Yeah, that's total bullshit, as Jim said.

I think in some cases there is a duty to warn (like if a pysichiatrist knew that his patient was crazy and set out to kill someone), but those are hazy law school cases and might be general law as opposed to Texas law.
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« Reply #84 on: February 24, 2010, 02:30:58 pm »
Yeah, that's total bullshit, as Jim said.

I think in some cases there is a duty to warn (like if a pysichiatrist knew that his patient was crazy and set out to kill someone), but those are hazy law school cases and might be general law as opposed to Texas law.

no duty even there in Texas,iirc.
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« Reply #85 on: February 24, 2010, 06:43:51 pm »
Sounds to me like the suit against Ms. Stack and the goal of preventing the autopsy from public release are probably different things, but it's not my area.

Basically, they want to poke around to see if any insurance policies exist that can provide a decent amount of compensation.  Just looking for bigger pockets.

You've said it's not your area, and I'm uncertain if it's Jim's or not, but I have some questions for you both.

I was downtown this afternoon and out of curiosity I obtained a copy of the original petition from the clerk's office. The suit names Stack's wife individually and as a representative of his estate, along with the Travis County Medical Examiner.

1. If it were just about the autopsy results being made public, couldn't the plaintiff have filed suit against the M.E. alone and left Stack's estate out of it? KVUE's report characterized the wrongful death lawsuit as a necessary procedural step so the plaintiff could get a TRO. That's not correct, is it? Isn't a request for injunctive relief enough by itself?

2. Assuming the purpose in filing the lawsuit goes beyond the TRO, why name Stack's wife individually? Isn't it enough to name her representative of his estate? The petition gives two causes of actions, a negligence per se cause of action relating to Joe Stack's violation of an FAA statute regulating the operation of aircraft in congested areas, and a negligence action against the wife for not exercising "reasonable care to avoid a foreseeable risk of injury to others, including the decedent." Is the second negligence CoA even necessary? It seems so baseless that I don't understand why the attorney included it. What's the strategic point?

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« Reply #86 on: February 25, 2010, 12:38:13 am »
You've said it's not your area, and I'm uncertain if it's Jim's or not, but I have some questions for you both.

Given the fact that I'm several beers past having several beers at Astroline, I probably shouldn't be answering, but here goes:

1. If it were just about the autopsy results being made public, couldn't the plaintiff have filed suit against the M.E. alone and left Stack's estate out of it? KVUE's report characterized the wrongful death lawsuit as a necessary procedural step so the plaintiff could get a TRO. That's not correct, is it? Isn't a request for injunctive relief enough by itself?

A TRO is injunctive relief.

Now, I haven't looked at the petition or any primary materials, but I assume because they have no cause of action against the M.E., concealing the autopsy results may only be available by bringing them into a protective order in an existing law suit.  Though, I may be way off base with that.  Frankly, other than the threat that an autopsy may debunk causation (which would be discovered in a lawsuit anyway) I'm not sure what the goal of concealing them really is.  Then again, I've never had a loved one die in a way that would result in the media poring over their death, so I can't really question the family's desire for privacy.

2. Assuming the purpose in filing the lawsuit goes beyond the TRO, why name Stack's wife individually? Isn't it enough to name her representative of his estate? The petition gives two causes of actions, a negligence per se cause of action relating to Joe Stack's violation of an FAA statute regulating the operation of aircraft in congested areas, and a negligence action against the wife for not exercising "reasonable care to avoid a foreseeable risk of injury to others, including the decedent." Is the second negligence CoA even necessary? It seems so baseless that I don't understand why the attorney included it. What's the strategic point?

The strategic point is merely to put pressure on the opponent.  It does nothing beyond that.

I would add that the ultimate purpose of the lawsuit is probably to hold the person responsible for the wrongful death, and recoup what monetary compensation can be recovered, while always knowing that no amount of money could possibly compensate for the death of a loved one.
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« Reply #87 on: February 25, 2010, 08:30:01 am »
A TRO is injunctive relief.

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