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Central Texas bbq crawl
« on: January 23, 2010, 08:51:59 am »
We spent MLK weekend in Round Rock with my folks, but with the secondary mission of hitting particular bbq places. We had been to the famous Kreuz Market twice before, but this time, we were on a mission to hit all of the famous bbq places in Lockhart to scarf and compare.

Friday evening, before we went to mom's, we went to Dripping Springs to the Salt Lick. We'd never been. We ordered the family special (unlimited pork ribs, brisket, sausage, potato salad, and cole slaw) for 3 of us, and a half a chicken for Younger Son, who still has issues eating beef sometimes.  ::)  Excellent stuff. The waiter graciously brought me burnt ends and holy moly, were they good. All the meat was first-rate, as were the regular and habanero bbq sauces they offered. The sides weren't really disappointing, they just weren't what we expected. "Potato salad" was cooked, diced potatoes seasoned with some orange-ish stuff and served at room temperature. The cole slaw was shredded cabbage seasoned with a little dry seasoning that included caraway seeds. Not bad stuff, either of them, just not what we expected. Different. And the blackberry cobbler, whooooo boy.

The weekend rolled along, with a side trip to Flip Happy Crepes (yum, by the way) on Sunday morning. Then Monday morning came and we hit the road to Lockhart.

Black's was our first stop. When you walk in, you get to the buffet of sides first- much more than just potato salad and beans. We skipped the sides in an effort to concentrate on what was important. We ordered small portions of pork ribs, sausage (regular and jalapeno), brisket, and a chopped beef sandwich. You know how turkey gets so damn dry if you bbq it wrong? Black's not only does it right, but it's the best damn bbq turkey I've ever eaten. Everything was cooked perfectly and just goooood. Black's has regular and hot bbq sauce, and they're both really tasty, although that hot sauce has a bit of an afterburn.

For those of you who don't know, the current location of Smitty's is the former location of Kreuz Market. In fact, a sister owns Smitty's and her brother owns Kreuz Market; they had a dispute after their father, the former owner of Kreuz Market, died. Kreuz built its new location and the sister opened up Smitty's.

Next stop: Smitty's. Smitty's keeps it simple- no chicken, no turkey, just pork and beef. We were offered shoulder but ordered brisket, ribs, sausage, and since they advertised a bowl of beans for a dollar, what the heck. The meat at Smitty's was delicious, but we couldn't eat half of the brisket because it was really, really fatty. The ribs were good, glazed with something slightly sweet, but very tasty. The sausage melted in your mouth- because of all the grease in it. I cut into a link and literally two Tablespoons of grease puddled out. It was very rich as a result. The beans were seasoned simply and were quite tasty. If I worked in Lockhart, I would readily stop into Smitty's for a bowl of beans, a glass of lemonade, and crackers for a nice lunch that would barely cost me $2.50.

Over to Kreuz Market for our last Lockhart stop. Brisket, ribs, regular and jalapeno sausage. Even though the other places offer good stuff, we clearly saw why Kreuz is still our favorite of the three: juicy but not overly greasy meat, simple but perfect seasoning, good smoke on the meat. Best ribs we've ever had, best brisket of the day. These were the leftovers we later devoured first, followed closely by the turkey from Black's.

On the way home, we detoured off I-35 onto SH 6, driving a little west of Waco to Speegleville to find Rusty Star, which Ted Nugent proclaims has the best brisket in/near Waco. I haven't had other brisket in/near Waco, but based on what I ate, Uncle Ted's probably right. We ordered brisket, sausage, turkey, and something called a Gutbuster: beans, chopped brisket (without sauce), Fritos, cheese, and onions layered in a bowl. Sheer meatycrunchy bliss, I tell you. It was our second favorite place of the day; the turkey was again cooked well, and the rest of the food was just plain good. They even offer Dr Pepper made with sugar rather than corn syrup in the fountain, but they were regrettably out. My boys made do with a root beer we'd never heard of, which they apparently found acceptable because they each refilled a few times.

While the adventure was fun, and certainly worth it, I will add that nobody in the house has had a desire to eat bbq since that day, and we probably won't for a while. We OD'ed in melty, meaty bbq deliciousness. Pardon me, waiter, but I think I'll have a salad.

We do realize that there are plenty of other Central Texas bbq places to try, and we will, but as our OD plainly demonstrated, we can't hit 'em all at once.
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Re: Central Texas bbq crawl
« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2010, 10:00:29 am »
Nice report--enjoyed reading it.  A few things: the potato salad at Salt Lick is the German hill country style.  I went to Salt Lick a few weeks ago and felt like a complete tourist.  Servicable BBQ by Centex standards but visiting Lockhart  quickly sets things right.  The greeters at Salt Lick use "you guys" not "y'all."
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« Reply #2 on: January 23, 2010, 10:30:12 am »
A friend from Lockhart regails me with tales of "best bar-b-que" (which in true Central Texas lore means, no sauce, no sides, just beef and pork).  Her Mom grew up with the Kreuz kids who are now fueding.  So who did her Mom say is the best or truer to the original Kreuz Market?  "Smittys" was the answer I got.

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« Reply #3 on: January 23, 2010, 11:06:42 am »
Excellent report, thanks.  I need to get back up that way and graze around some.

I know this is a not a widely-held view, generally - more a personal conceit of my own - but, godammit, the only useful application for BBQ sauce is to kill the taste of poorly cooked meat.

I don't know, but assume the use of sauce, especially the sticky-sweet, ketchup-y variety, evolved and became popular after it became trendy in BBQ'ing circles to smoke the fuck out of the meat, sometimes cooking it for 12-18 hours, slowly.  Besides being ridiculous from a practical standpoint, that process leaves most meats with a taste that goes beyond smoky (generally good) and well into acrid (which is fucking nasty).  Then you have to dump a load of sauce on it, the sweeter the better, in order to counteract the unpleasant taste of carbonized protein.

I watch the "cookoff professionals" on TV slather their "secret recipe" sauce onto their briskets and ribs with floor mops, as they're cooking; and I'm thinking, Man, I'd hate to have to eat that, all sweet and sticky (and burnt), and with a good chance of getting some cotton fibers stuck in my teeth for good measure.

I could go on and on, but I won't.  In short, if the meat is cooked right, BBQ sauce is not necessary.  Unless you just have a sweet tooth or something, but don't let me see you use it.


We ordered the family special (unlimited pork ribs, brisket, sausage, potato salad, and cole slaw). . .

For some reason this reminds me of a quote from somebody, Ben Franklin maybe(??), but anyway, in a comment to a friend of his who really, really enjoyed his meals:  "You're digging your grave with your teeth!"

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« Reply #4 on: January 23, 2010, 11:32:55 am »
I know this is a not a widely-held view, generally - more a personal conceit of my own - but, godammit, the only useful application for BBQ sauce is to kill the taste of poorly cooked meat.

I was born and raised in Central Texas, and that is the view around here because of the German / Czech meat market origins in this area. I fully subscribe to the 'no sauce, it just hides the meat flavor' way of thinking but I can appreciate the styles and sauces in other regions. It's just that my preference is what I grew up with, and that's what I cook.

I smoked a pork butt for the first time about six weeks ago and it was great, the sauce was very good. I made some Memphis-style dry rub ribs a couple of weeks before that and they were very good as well. It's fun to experiment with different styles but I doubt I could make any of the regional varieties of barbecue anywhere nearly as well as someone who is native to that region - I just don't know enough about the nuances.
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« Reply #5 on: January 23, 2010, 11:52:01 am »
I think pork butt needs sauce, preferably a mustard or vinegar based. Pork ribs I can go either way. Sausage and brisket, no thanks (but it's hard to find acceptable brisket outside of Lockhart or my smoker). I don't think 12 hours at 180 is too long though - No need to keep the smoke going after the meat heats up - doesn't really stick anyways.
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« Reply #6 on: January 23, 2010, 01:30:34 pm »
Pork butt defiinitely needs a sauce or some kind of accompaniment - it makes a good taco, for instance, reminiscent of carnitas but it needs pico de gallo, etc. with it.

94CG, I think I agree with you about Black's. For a long time Black's was the bastard stepchild in the group I ran with, it never could compare with Smitty's/Kreuz and sometimes was really BAD, but in the last couple of years it has been good and consistent and that's great. I don't know why it's better, or if it was just that we'd always go at the wrong time, but my observation is that it's definitely good.

A good friend of mine is best friends with the guy who runs Kreuz, and last week the Travel Channel shot an episode of Food Wars in Lockhart. The theme was 'Which sausage is better, Smitty's or Kreuz?" and a group of us went there to show support. We all did on-camera interviews, although I can't imagine they'll use my ghastly radio face, and we all were effusive in our praise of Kreuz. I have no idea when it will air.
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« Reply #7 on: January 23, 2010, 01:39:39 pm »
Good stuff.

You know, I've lived a significant part of my life in central Texas and I've never been to Lockhart or Salt Lick.

Coopers in Mason (or Llano) is a must-visit for me when I'm in the area. 
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« Reply #8 on: January 23, 2010, 04:29:37 pm »
My vote goes to the City Market in Luling.

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« Reply #9 on: January 23, 2010, 05:10:23 pm »
Good stuff.

You know, I've lived a significant part of my life in central Texas and I've never been to Lockhart or Salt Lick.

Coopers in Mason (or Llano) is a must-visit for me when I'm in the area. 

There is a new one in NB; heard it is ok.

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« Reply #10 on: January 24, 2010, 04:06:49 am »
Did they finally throw Alkie in jail or is there some other reason he's absent from this here thread?
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« Reply #11 on: January 24, 2010, 09:15:16 am »
Did they finally throw Alkie in jail or is there some other reason he's absent from this here thread?

I think everyone here has heard everything I have to say about CenTex BBQ a few thousand times over.   I figured if someone wanted to see what I thought of all those places ad vomitum, there's a search function at the top of the forum.

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« Reply #12 on: January 24, 2010, 09:24:12 am »
Has anyone else in here ever tried Snow's in Lexington? It's been awhile since I have went but it sure was good when I did. Brisket right up there with Kreuz's.

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« Reply #13 on: January 24, 2010, 09:31:55 am »
Has anyone else in here ever tried Snow's in Lexington? It's been awhile since I have went but it sure was good when I did. Brisket right up there with Kreuz's.

I went a couple months ago - brisket on par with anything, everything else just okay I think was the consensus.
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« Reply #14 on: January 24, 2010, 10:03:38 am »
I don't have the most discriminating pallet but I readily admit some places are better than others and some by a large margin. I mean, where others would choose to fast,  I'll drink Milwaukee's Best and eat Bill Millers' BBQ, if they were my only choice.  That being said, I like that Mueller's place in Taylor and Kreuz's in Lockhart better than most. I wont spit at sauce but it should be used to accent not cover up.
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« Reply #15 on: January 24, 2010, 10:29:37 am »
There's a new bbq place not far from the old John Mueller's on Manor (now Red House Pizzeria), from a trailer in a parking lot, that kicks serious ass. I haven't had the opportunity to taste some of the Luling/Lockhart heavyweights, but I can't imagine they do it any better. It is that good. (And The Salt Lick doesn't even come close because the Salt Lick kinda sucks).

I will not be surprised to see this new one strongly represented in the next Texas Monthly barbecue issue.

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« Reply #16 on: January 24, 2010, 10:43:29 am »
I don't have the most discriminating pallet but I readily admit some places are better than others and some by a large margin. I mean, where others would choose to fast,  I'll drink Milwaukee's Best and eat Bill Millers' BBQ, if they were my only choice.  That being said, I like that Mueller's place in Taylor and Kreuz's in Lockhart better than most. I wont spit at sauce but it should be used to accent not cover up.

Amen.

Good barbecue should stand on its own merits and not on a sugary ketchup concoction. Danny's BBQ, a little joint on the East side at MLK and Airport, ruins what would otherwise be solid barbecue by lathering their ribs and brisket in barbecue sauce. Don't get me wrong, I will eat it because it's barbecue, but I get sorta frustrated eating there because it could be so much better if they'd focus on dry barbecue over the sweeter, stickier, wet stuff. Their smoked chicken is very good and the prices are affordable, so I will return anyway.

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« Reply #17 on: January 24, 2010, 10:53:28 am »
Good barbecue should stand on its own merits and not on a sugary ketchup concoction. Danny's BBQ, a little joint on the East side at MLK and Airport, ruins what would otherwise be solid barbecue by lathering their ribs and brisket in barbecue sauce.

Sam's on 12th and Taylor Cafe do the same thing. If I haven't been there before and don't know anything about them, I'll tell them up front that I don't want any sauce on the meat.
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« Reply #18 on: January 24, 2010, 10:56:16 am »
Last summer a group of friends and I went on a tour of the Texas Monthly top 5, which were all in central Texas.  Our consensus opinion:

Snow's (#1) - Decent but probably not worth the early-morning 2-hour drive from Austin.  We may have just caught them on a bad week.  They also had the lowest prices.
City Market - Great sausage, everything else was decent.
Smitty's - Atmosphere was hard to beat.  Great brisket.  Loooong wait.
Kreuz's - Pork ribs were the best we tasted.  Loooong wait in an area that is not climate-controlled.
Mueller's - The all-around favorite among our group.  The sausage (especially the chipotle) and beef ribs were top-notch, and everything else was pretty good.  

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« Reply #19 on: January 24, 2010, 10:59:56 am »
I think of the Salt Lick, in Driftwood, not so much as a good BBQ joint but as a good gut buster place to stop at with a group of out-of-town folk on the way back from some place like Canyon Lake or Enchanted Rock.
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« Reply #20 on: January 24, 2010, 11:00:57 am »
There's a new bbq place not far from the old John Mueller's on Manor (now Red House Pizzeria), from a trailer in a parking lot, that kicks serious ass. I haven't had the opportunity to taste some of the Luling/Lockhart heavyweights, but I can't imagine they do it any better. It is that good. (And The Salt Lick doesn't even come close because the Salt Lick kinda sucks).

I will not be surprised to see this new one strongly represented in the next Texas Monthly barbecue issue.

That's Franklin BBQ and I went by there a couple of weeks ago. Really good brisket, moist, great bark, etc. and he has a very interesting espresso sauce on the side. When I went his ribs weren't ready yet so I haven't had them and his sausage was overcooked but still ok. A friend had the pulled pork and liked it a lot.

He worked for John Mueller for something like a year and a half and the smoker he uses was purchased from him - it's a giant 500 gallon propane tank that was retrofitted. His smoker was set at 225 and the stacks of wood look to be post oak and mesquite. He's getting good word of mouth and has already made a splash on a couple of good barbecue blogs. It's great to have some more good barbecue downtown after the demise of Lewis' on MLK.
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« Reply #21 on: January 24, 2010, 11:06:09 am »
Danny's BBQ, a little joint on the East side at MLK and Airport, ruins what would otherwise be solid barbecue by lathering their ribs and brisket in barbecue sauce.

Is Danny's the trailer in the parking lot of what used to be Lewis' BBQ? Danny used to cook at a bar in Pflugerville and it started out great but ended up terrible. Lots of people can cook but lots of them can't be consistent and run a business at the same time.
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« Reply #22 on: January 24, 2010, 11:15:53 am »
That's Franklin BBQ and I went by there a couple of weeks ago. Really good brisket, moist, great bark, etc. and he has a very interesting espresso sauce on the side. When I went his ribs weren't ready yet so I haven't had them and his sausage was overcooked but still ok. A friend had the pulled pork and liked it a lot.

He worked for John Mueller for something like a year and a half and the smoker he uses was purchased from him - it's a giant 500 gallon propane tank that was retrofitted. His smoker was set at 225 and the stacks of wood look to be post oak and mesquite. He's getting good word of mouth and has already made a splash on a couple of good barbecue blogs. It's great to have some more good barbecue downtown after the demise of Lewis' on MLK.

Yep, I've been there numerous times in the last six weeks. His pork ribs are the best I've ever had. Selfishly, I don't want too many people to find out about it because I'd like to be able to walk over and get his brisket, ribs, and sausage without having to worry about high demand depleting that day's supply. The pulled pork is decent, but it's not mouth-watering like the brisket and ribs.


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« Reply #23 on: January 24, 2010, 11:18:26 am »
Is Danny's the trailer in the parking lot of what used to be Lewis' BBQ? Danny used to cook at a bar in Pflugerville and it started out great but ended up terrible. Lots of people can cook but lots of them can't be consistent and run a business at the same time.

Yes, that's the place. The owner recently moved out of the trailer and into the building on the property after getting it up to code.

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« Reply #24 on: January 24, 2010, 11:26:06 am »
Yes, that's the place. The owner recently moved out of the trailer and into the building on the property after getting it up to code.

I hope Danny can keep it together. Lewis made some real fine barbecue and I miss eating there.
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« Reply #25 on: January 24, 2010, 11:30:58 am »
Selfishly, I don't want too many people to find out about it because I'd like to be able to walk over and get his brisket, ribs, and sausage without having to worry about high demand depleting that day's supply.

He's already fighting that battle. There are a few stories of him running out of things during the day so his business is definitely picking up. He's probably still figuring out how much meat to cook for each day and that'll probably get taken care of pretty quickly.

I think it's usually just him working the trailer and it takes him a while to get the orders cut, so a line of 20 or so people can take a while to finish with. He's only open part of the week and part of the day but if he keeps up with his success he's going to need some help.
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« Reply #26 on: January 24, 2010, 11:31:27 am »
Business seemed brisk at Danny's the day I was there, and he clearly has a regular clientele from the surrounding neighborhood. I'll go back on those days when Franklin is closed or out of meat.

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« Reply #27 on: January 24, 2010, 11:39:08 am »
He's already fighting that battle. There are a few stories of him running out of things during the day so his business is definitely picking up. He's probably still figuring out how much meat to cook for each day and that'll probably get taken care of pretty quickly.

I think it's usually just him working the trailer and it takes him a while to get the orders cut, so a line of 20 or so people can take a while to finish with. He's only open part of the week and part of the day but if he keeps up with his success he's going to need some help.

Oh, I'm well aware. It's happened to me on more than one occasion, but I live so close that it's not a problem for me. I shared a couple of beers with him at the end of one of his longer days and he told me about his business ramping up since the FullCustomBBQ guys gave him a great review and the chatter on yelp and other sites. He spoke of his concern about the hours not being long enough and driving people away so I'm sure he's bringing in extra help soon. I don't subscribe to the "customer is always right" theory so I have no problem with the limited hours. I just don't want it to be invaded by all the fucking "SoCo" douchebags who moved to Austin five minutes ago and can't stop patting themselves on the back for living in 78704.

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« Reply #28 on: January 24, 2010, 11:51:11 am »
I just don't want it to be invaded by all the fucking "SoCo" douchebags who moved to Austin five minutes ago and can't stop patting themselves on the back for living in 78704.

Spot on.

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« Reply #29 on: January 24, 2010, 12:46:41 pm »
I grew up thinking the bar-b-q in my hometown was what it was all about. Eating at John's in Dallas and Goode Company here in Houston did little to dispel that notion.

However, all that changed for good when I had the fare from the spot in Belton that Taras recommends. Now I look at Memphis bar-b-q as merely nostalgic eating. Lockhart, Luling, Taylor and Llano are my new "home q" spots, though I rarely get to any of them.

Luling here in town has its good and bad days. There have to be some better options. Recommendations?
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« Reply #30 on: January 24, 2010, 12:49:56 pm »
I just don't want it to be invaded by all the fucking "SoCo" douchebags who moved to Austin five minutes ago and can't stop patting themselves on the back for living in 78704.

i like the folks who live on French Place or Cherrywood and say they live in "East Austin."
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« Reply #31 on: January 24, 2010, 01:10:57 pm »
Damnit this thread is making me crazy hungry... I really need to go out and find me some barbecue... even Goode & Co. and such as would do in a pinch... oh, wait...

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« Reply #33 on: January 24, 2010, 01:37:13 pm »
I want one of those.

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« Reply #34 on: January 24, 2010, 01:39:02 pm »
I think the small one is $299 right now and that's too high. Keep checking Amazon or the virtual weber bullet site and it'll be $199 w/free shipping sometime.

ETA: I think I pulled the trigger on mine when it was $229, that $199 special happens about once a year.
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« Reply #35 on: January 24, 2010, 03:14:06 pm »
i like the folks who live on French Place or Cherrywood and say they live in "East Austin."

I hired a guy here (from here) who was telling me he was just in Austin visiting his cousin who goes to UT.

I said, no kidding, where?

East Austin.

Wow, really?  The only part of the city I never lived in, I say.

Yeah, he says, right between the Capitol and I35.

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« Reply #36 on: January 24, 2010, 04:25:11 pm »
What area of town is considered truly East Austin?
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« Reply #37 on: January 24, 2010, 04:32:25 pm »
What area of town is considered truly East Austin?

East of I-35.  Or the 35 as they say in LA.

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« Reply #38 on: January 24, 2010, 05:08:11 pm »
What area of town is considered truly East Austin?

I think it has been bordered by IH 35 as long as I can remember, but Congress is the line of demarcation as far as east-west thoroughfares go. For me, East Austin was always about two blocks east of 35 to Webberville and ran from 35th to the river. I grew up in Northeast Austin, which was pretty much 51st and Manor Rd.
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« Reply #39 on: January 24, 2010, 05:09:38 pm »
Yeah, I don't know if Red River was considered "East Austin" 85 years ago, but I know that even when I was there in the 90s, it sure as fuck was not.

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« Reply #40 on: January 24, 2010, 05:15:53 pm »
I think it has been bordered by IH 35 as long as I can remember, but Congress is the line of demarcation as far as east-west thoroughfares go.

And Speedway north of campus. I figure it's I-35 now but not originally.
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« Reply #41 on: January 24, 2010, 05:18:56 pm »
What's LA mean? Los Angeles? Left Austin? Lower Alabama?

Houston CoC types have created a similar geographic befuddlement by trying to label the new development areas south/southwest of downtown as Mid-Town. What does that make West U and River Oaks, West Jesus?
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« Reply #42 on: January 24, 2010, 05:59:41 pm »
What's LA mean? Los Angeles? Left Austin? Lower Alabama?

Houston CoC types have created a similar geographic befuddlement by trying to label the new development areas south/southwest of downtown as Mid-Town. What does that make West U and River Oaks, West Jesus?


The use of the term "Mid-Town" coincided with the decline of the area being a pretty fucking cool place to live.
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« Reply #43 on: January 24, 2010, 06:55:39 pm »
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What's LA mean? Los Angeles? Left Austin? Lower Alabama?

Houston CoC types have created a similar geographic befuddlement by trying to label the new development areas south/southwest of downtown as Mid-Town. What does that make West U and River Oaks, West Jesus?

Los Angeles.  They don't say The 35 in  Left Austin.

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« Reply #44 on: January 24, 2010, 07:07:18 pm »
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« Reply #45 on: January 24, 2010, 08:21:05 pm »
Los Angeles.  They don't say The 35 in  Left Austin.

I remember when it was Interregional, as in 'take the Interregional to Georgetown.' Now it's kinda jammed together and pronounced something like 'eyetch35.'
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« Reply #46 on: January 25, 2010, 09:27:32 am »
I think it has been bordered by IH 35 as long as I can remember, but Congress is the line of demarcation as far as east-west thoroughfares go. For me, East Austin was always about two blocks east of 35 to Webberville and ran from 35th to the river. I grew up in Northeast Austin, which was pretty much 51st and Manor Rd.

that's where i grew up, too, but much earlier than you no doubt. my Mother still lives on Corona Drive.

East Austin sure as hell was east of French Place. that was east of 35 but too far north to be what locals called "East Austin."
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Houston CoC types have created a similar geographic befuddlement by trying to label the new development areas south/southwest of downtown as Mid-Town. What does that make West U and River Oaks, West Jesus?

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« Reply #48 on: January 26, 2010, 07:06:51 am »
Nifty, three pages of replies to go through. We all love bbq. Where to start...

So who did her Mom say is the best or truer to the original Kreuz Market?  "Smittys" was the answer I got.

This is exactly what the sister who owns Smitty's has been saying- she does things more like her Dad did than her brother does. That may be true, and maybe we hit Smitty's on an off-day, but we likes Kreuz better.

At all three places, the meat had good flavor- you just really couldn't eat much of the Smitty's meat because of all the fat. My older boy (the mini-gourmet who devoured the fried oyster-bacon-and-cheese po-boy in N'Awlins) literally held the slices and nibbled at them like corn on the cob to get bits of edible meat outta there. I will say that next time we're there, I'm ordering the pork chop.

I'm not a sauce-hater, but I have rules. I don't like my bbq slathered in thick sticky-sweet stuff, bleh. I don't mind a little bit of glaze if it's done right- like the ribs at Smitty's. If I'm gonna use sauce, I like to apply it myself. Unlike many Texans I know, I prefer a thinner sauce with a little vinegar and an even littler sweetness in it. The first time I tried a sauce like that was at Meyer's in Elgin, yum.

Mr. 94CG has been to Cooper's and he liked it- although that was years ago, so we don't know how they are lately. We'd like to try Louie Mueller's and Luling City Market. My stepfather suggested we hit Artz Rib House in Austin- anyone have thoughts?

When we go to Houston, our halfway take-a-break-and-pee point is Woody's Smokehouse in Centerville. We usually go for some of the jerky, but last time we were there, we noticed they offer bacon-wrapped quail. I'll let you know how that is after we try it.
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« Reply #49 on: January 26, 2010, 07:24:25 am »
For some reason this reminds me of a quote from somebody, Ben Franklin maybe(??), but anyway, in a comment to a friend of his who really, really enjoyed his meals:  "You're digging your grave with your teeth!"

Heh heh heh. Funny. I will add that while we ordered the family special, we didn't actually finish it. We had two plates of meat between the three of us, and each plate had about six ribs, half a pound of brisket, and maybe four sausage links on it. And our waiter (who was from Texas and knew how to properly say "y'all" and "ma'am") brought us a to-go container to sneak out our uneaten meats- a no-no with the family special. He got an extra tip.

Warning for those who don't know: Salt Lick is bring-your-own-beer. And wine. We saw a family eating bbq with bottles of wine and wondered what was wrong with 'em, but that's just our personal taste. The Salt Lick is also on well water, so sodas will taste a little different out there.

I figured the potato salad and cole slaw were some kind of German style I hadn't had. My mostly-German grandmother used to make cole slaw similarly, but she added something to it that still left it more creamy than dry.
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« Reply #50 on: January 26, 2010, 08:02:51 am »
Artz is best for baby back ribs.
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« Reply #51 on: January 26, 2010, 10:04:01 am »
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« Reply #52 on: January 26, 2010, 04:38:31 pm »
Damnit this thread is making me crazy hungry... I really need to go out and find me some barbecue... even Goode & Co. and such as would do in a pinch... oh, wait...

I'M IN FUCKING OHIO.

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Ribs and chicken are not difficult with any decent charcoal grill. http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f346/Phil_in_CS/DSCN7682.jpg

Get a good hot fire, sear the meat to seal it, and the close the vents off to lower the temp for a while. Dry rubs only.

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« Reply #53 on: January 26, 2010, 07:13:56 pm »
Ribs and chicken are not difficult with any decent charcoal grill. http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f346/Phil_in_CS/DSCN7682.jpg

Get a good hot fire, sear the meat to seal it, and the close the vents off to lower the temp for a while. Dry rubs only.

Searing meat doesn't seal in anything.
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« Reply #54 on: January 26, 2010, 07:17:23 pm »
Searing meat doesn't seal in anything.

It seals in the crispy goodness.
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« Reply #55 on: January 26, 2010, 07:23:23 pm »
It does make it taste much better, but in fact leaves the meat drier. However, your mouth's reaction to the maillardization (aka browning) produces more saliva and thus makes the meat seem moister.

Anyone who is remotely interested in this or other topics on the science behind cooking, Harold McGee's "On food and cooking" will change your life.
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« Reply #56 on: January 26, 2010, 07:25:20 pm »
It does make it taste much better, but in fact leaves the meat drier. However, your mouth's reaction to the maillardization (aka browning) produces more saliva and thus makes the meat seem moister.

Anyone who is remotely interested in this or other topics on the science behind cooking, Harold McGee's "On food and cooking" will change your life.


Does he boil his steaks too?
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« Reply #57 on: January 26, 2010, 07:33:29 pm »
It does make it taste much better, but in fact leaves the meat drier. However, your mouth's reaction to the maillardization (aka browning) produces more saliva and thus makes the meat seem moister.

Anyone who is remotely interested in this or other topics on the science behind cooking, Harold McGee's "On food and cooking" will change your life.

I'm not against science, or anti-intellectual, either.  But I believe I'd prefer whoever is cooking my barbecue, including me, had never heard of this mallard sensation you speak of, or know how to pronounce it, or have any idea what it means.

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« Reply #58 on: January 26, 2010, 08:31:37 pm »
Anyone who is remotely interested in this or other topics on the science behind cooking, Harold McGee's "On food and cooking" will change your life.

I've read McGee. If I say "sear the meat to seal it" everyone can understand that. I've been a programmer for 25 years now and have learned to avoid geeky jargon where possible, including cooking.

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« Reply #59 on: January 26, 2010, 09:09:23 pm »
Kreuz / Smitty's side note - Travel Channel was running several BBQ episodes tonight (BBQ Paradise maybe?).  Anyway they were touring the BBQ capitals, Lockhart represented Texas.  The owner of Kreuz mentioned that he only smoked his meat for 4 hours and any longer was too smokey.  I think that Smitty's was more like 8-12 hrs.

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« Reply #60 on: January 26, 2010, 10:55:00 pm »
Kreuz / Smitty's side note - Travel Channel was running several BBQ episodes tonight (BBQ Paradise maybe?).  Anyway they were touring the BBQ capitals, Lockhart represented Texas.  The owner of Kreuz mentioned that he only smoked his meat for 4 hours and any longer was too smokey pretentious

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« Reply #61 on: January 27, 2010, 01:16:27 am »
I've heard him say that smoking 12-16 hours was a) a waste of time and b) done by people who didn't know what they were doing. I know it's technical, and that you definitely have to know what you're doing to make it work with high heat and a shorter time.
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« Reply #62 on: January 27, 2010, 03:52:39 am »
It does make it taste much better, but in fact leaves the meat drier. However, your mouth's reaction to the maillardization (aka browning) produces more saliva and thus makes the meat seem moister.

Anyone who is remotely interested in this or other topics on the science behind cooking, Harold McGee's "On food and cooking" will change your life.

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« Reply #63 on: January 27, 2010, 09:02:14 am »
You still like Pappasito's?

I haven't been there for probably a year or so, but last time I went I still liked their fajitas. I prefer flour to corn tortillas personally, so probably still a heretic in that regard.
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« Reply #64 on: January 27, 2010, 11:02:03 am »
I haven't been there for probably a year or so, but last time I went I still liked their fajitas. I prefer flour to corn tortillas personally, so probably still a heretic in that regard.

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« Reply #65 on: January 27, 2010, 11:19:56 am »
Bet you put Sour Cream on them as well.

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« Reply #66 on: January 27, 2010, 01:14:30 pm »
Kreuz / Smitty's side note - Travel Channel was running several BBQ episodes tonight (BBQ Paradise maybe?).  Anyway they were touring the BBQ capitals, Lockhart represented Texas.  The owner of Kreuz mentioned that he only smoked his meat for 4 hours and any longer was too smokey.  I think that Smitty's was more like 8-12 hrs.

Coincidentally, Travel Channel was in Lockhart again last week filming about the rift between Kreuz's and Smitty's and hosting a cook-off between the two bbq heavyweights. The producers posted ads on craigslist recently soliciting bbq fans to come out to Lockhart to participate. The episode is scheduled to air in March.

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« Reply #67 on: January 27, 2010, 01:41:04 pm »
Coincidentally, Travel Channel was in Lockhart again last week filming about the rift between Kreuz's and Smitty's and hosting a cook-off between the two bbq heavyweights. The producers posted ads on craigslist recently soliciting bbq fans to come out to Lockhart to participate. The episode is scheduled to air in March.

Yeah, that's the shoot I was invited to last week, supposedly on the question of which one makes the best sausage although they didn't ask us any questions about sausage, just barbecue in general. I've been told that Kreuz won, but they may say that to all the boys.
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« Reply #68 on: January 28, 2010, 10:19:30 am »
Coincidentally, Travel Channel was in Lockhart again last week filming about the rift between Kreuz's and Smitty's and hosting a cook-off between the two bbq heavyweights. The producers posted ads on craigslist recently soliciting bbq fans to come out to Lockhart to participate. The episode is scheduled to air in March.

Which Travel Channel series is it? I'd be up for watching that. Food Network's Best Thing I Ever Ate covered the Salt Lick recently.

Not BBQ-related, but I have been pleased to see Food Network and Guy Fieri in Houston a couple of times lately. There were Diners, Drive-Ins and Dives episodes featuring Kenny & Ziggy's a few weeks ago and Niko Niko's just the other day.

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« Reply #69 on: January 28, 2010, 10:56:40 am »
Here's the ETA thoughts....ignoring is fine, possibly expected.

Sauces have their uses. I don't mind a leftover pulled pork sandwich with a nice, not-too-sweet sauce. It is called a sloppy joe in my home, it keeps the meat moist, and it feeds the kids wonderfully.

Well cooked meat does not need a sauce, I agree.

If you are trying to smoke the meat more than an hour and a half, you are wasting your time. Get the smoke flavor and then wrap up the meat and use the less desirable wood to maintain the slow cooking heat.

Dry rubs are the way to go with any meat. I do like a strong sugar based rub on my brisket/ribs. It caramelizes well, sealing the rest of the spices on the outside. Some of us like that nice, crispy exterior as an added texture/flavor on the meat.

Better cuts of meat need no more than a good, coarse salt and pepper rub, but I have been known to heat up a cast iron skillet to sear the salt and pepper on the outside. Maybe chefs and cooking gurus know better techniques (of course they do), but it seems to work as an easy solution for me.

I have never seen any chef cook a larger piece of beef (roasts in particular) without searing it before the slow cook. I might be tempted to try it one day, but why go against something that works?
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« Reply #70 on: January 28, 2010, 11:14:49 am »

I have never seen any chef cook a larger piece of beef (roasts in particular) without searing it before the slow cook. I might be tempted to try it one day, but why go against something that works?

We did a 10 pound crown rib roast for Thanksgiving this past year and I can't imagine that it would be nearly as good as it was without searing it before roasting it.
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« Reply #71 on: January 28, 2010, 11:16:29 am »
We did a 10 pound crown rib roast for Thanksgiving this past year and I can't imagine that it would be nearly as good as it was without searing it before roasting it.

There is definitely an argument for searing post roasting, especially with a low temp roast. The cooking removes water from the exterior, leading to better browning. You can do it in a very hot oven (I like to cook a roast at 180-200 until it's basically at temp, then throw it in a 500 oven for 15 minutes to sear).

The difference either way is probably on the margin compared to doing other things right.
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« Reply #72 on: January 28, 2010, 11:36:31 am »
There is definitely an argument for searing post roasting, especially with a low temp roast. The cooking removes water from the exterior, leading to better browning. You can do it in a very hot oven (I like to cook a roast at 180-200 until it's basically at temp, then throw it in a 500 oven for 15 minutes to sear).

The difference either way is probably on the margin compared to doing other things right.

I've done the searing with pepper and salt post-cooking before with success, but only with steaks or thick-sliced prime rib.

I had a good cook I worked with in East Texas that did his brisket almost this way: slow-cooked in foil for 3-6 hours (depends on size) and then the smoking/almost searing to dry and seal the meat. His method worked VERY well as he had control over when the meat was exactly as he wanted it to be, smoke- and dry- wise.


I usually like to go the opposite way due to timing issues. Get the sear/smoke on a brisket/ribs, and then the wrap and slow cooking so that I can adjust for when people are able to eat/ready to eat. Most of my large BBQs tend to be tough to time due to large party situations.
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« Reply #73 on: January 28, 2010, 01:43:48 pm »
Which Travel Channel series is it? I'd be up for watching that. Food Network's Best Thing I Ever Ate covered the Salt Lick recently.

I think it is part of the "Paradise" series (Sandwich, Hot Dog, Donut, Steak, etc)

Travel Channel Page for the episode

This link shows the past airings, but I can't seem to find any future episodes.  You might check your OnDemand service.

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« Reply #74 on: January 28, 2010, 02:40:33 pm »
I usually like to go the opposite way due to timing issues. Get the sear/smoke on a brisket/ribs, and then the wrap and slow cooking so that I can adjust for when people are able to eat/ready to eat. Most of my large BBQs tend to be tough to time due to large party situations.

I do the hot first, as it is difficult (in my cooker, anyway) to get the fire right once I've let it burn down some. I need to get a new one with an offset outside firebox - that would let me build it back up easier. Current grill is a big steel drum w/ a side removeable tray for the charcoal.  That works well for clean up, but the tray gets a bit hot to pull out while you're cooking.

But, the current cooker works well for the current method, and a good cooker is serious scratch. I can cook for 10 to 20 on this one, depending on how hungry people are.

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« Reply #75 on: January 28, 2010, 03:08:54 pm »
I have a small, portable grill, a nice, large propane grill/rotisserie, a large smoker w/side box, a free standing burner, and another grill I use just to prep wood and charcoal to add onto the smoker as needed.

It just all comes down to who/how many I am feeding, the weather, and how much time I have.

A simple solution, maybe, is the charcoal chimneys you can buy anywhere. All you have to do is set them up on a cinder block, or something similar, and use some oven mitts for adding the new charcoal/wood. At least, that is how I have done it in the past.

Or, I am giving unneeded/unwanted advice. If so,....oops.
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« Reply #76 on: January 28, 2010, 03:21:12 pm »
The producers posted ads on craigslist recently soliciting bbq fans to come out to Lockhart to participate.

Yeah, I'd think the "Casual Encounters" crowd would be pretty good at rating sausage...
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« Reply #77 on: January 28, 2010, 03:23:44 pm »
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« Reply #78 on: January 28, 2010, 03:28:15 pm »
Yeah, I'd think the "Casual Encounters" crowd would be pretty good at rating sausage...

What I heard was that each side got to nominate some judges and then there were some 'impartial' ones added by the production crew. The tastings were with blindfolds, I believe.
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« Reply #79 on: January 28, 2010, 03:29:07 pm »
Which Travel Channel series is it? I'd be up for watching that. Food Network's Best Thing I Ever Ate covered the Salt Lick recently.

The release I signed said it was an unnamed show, but it was being referred to as a possible episode of Food Wars.
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« Reply #80 on: January 29, 2010, 12:47:26 am »
Dry rubs are the way to go with any meat. I do like a strong sugar based rub on my brisket/ribs. It caramelizes well, sealing the rest of the spices on the outside. Some of us like that nice, crispy exterior as an added texture/flavor on the meat.

I'll second this.

My rub for ribs, brisket, and chicken (thighs) has several ingredients, but it is largely dark brown sugar, truth be told.  I picked that up from Earl Campbell - he does his briskets this way, at least. 

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« Reply #81 on: January 29, 2010, 04:53:15 pm »
I have a small, portable grill, a nice, large propane grill/rotisserie, a large smoker w/side box, a free standing burner, and another grill I use just to prep wood and charcoal to add onto the smoker as needed.

It just all comes down to who/how many I am feeding, the weather, and how much time I have.

A simple solution, maybe, is the charcoal chimneys you can buy anywhere. All you have to do is set them up on a cinder block, or something similar, and use some oven mitts for adding the new charcoal/wood. At least, that is how I have done it in the past.

Or, I am giving unneeded/unwanted advice. If so,....oops.

I've avoided getting propane, as I have Viking inside that has a grill in it. I use the chimney's to start the fire in the first place, but hadn't thought to use them for getting extra coals going to refill. I might give that a try, though my current method of sear first then cool down works pretty well.

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« Reply #82 on: February 03, 2010, 02:01:27 pm »
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