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« on: December 12, 2009, 07:59:02 pm »
At least it wasn't Tebow or McCoy.

I'd rather have seen Suh or Gerhart, but those guys just weren't on TV enough.

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« Reply #1 on: December 13, 2009, 07:19:54 am »
I wanted Colt to win for sentimental reasons, but I think it should have gone to Gerhart.
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« Reply #2 on: December 13, 2009, 07:56:33 am »
The important thing is that Tebow came in a distant 5th place.

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« Reply #3 on: December 13, 2009, 08:58:51 pm »
The important thing is that Tebow came in a distant 5th place.

Not to be all dickheadish, but why did they extend five invites to get him in?  He was way back of Suh and everyone else.
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« Reply #4 on: December 13, 2009, 09:03:47 pm »
He was going to be invited anyway as a former winner.
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« Reply #5 on: December 14, 2009, 12:58:58 pm »
He was going to be invited anyway as a former winner.

Agreed.
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« Reply #6 on: December 14, 2009, 01:16:03 pm »
He was going to be invited anyway as a former winner.

Invited to the ceremony is one thing.  Invited as a finalist is something else.
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« Reply #7 on: December 14, 2009, 01:19:43 pm »
Invited to the ceremony is one thing.  Invited as a finalist is something else.

Once he was already coming and a top 5 finisher and a media darling it was a no brainer.
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« Reply #8 on: December 14, 2009, 01:37:35 pm »
Once he was already coming and a top 5 finisher and a media darling it was a no brainer.

Correct. I have no problem with him having been invited as a finalist. I like the fact that he was a distant fifth, although he was probably more important to his team this year that in years past, when Percy Harvin was there as another playmaker. I said that Alabama would beat Florida because the Tide had more playmakers. Florida only had Tim Tebow.
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« Reply #9 on: December 14, 2009, 01:40:44 pm »
Besides, was it not prophecied that He would sacrifice himself for our sins of the BCS?
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« Reply #10 on: December 14, 2009, 02:00:24 pm »
Not to be all dickheadish, but why did they extend five invites to get him in?  He was way back of Suh and everyone else.

Wanted to throw Mike Leach's next interviewer a bone.

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« Reply #11 on: December 14, 2009, 02:50:49 pm »
Invited to the ceremony is one thing.  Invited as a finalist is something else.

For someone who didn't want to be dickheadish about this, you're certainly being a dickhead about it.
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« Reply #12 on: December 14, 2009, 03:24:32 pm »
For someone who didn't want to be dickheadish about this, you're certainly being a dickhead about it.

Doesn't starting a sentence with "I don't want to be a dickhead about this" pretty much guarantee that you're going to be a dickhead about it?  Call it the "Don't take this personally" rule.

I'm not a big Tebow fan-- shocker, I know, coming from an Alabama fan-- but the thing that bothers me most is the way rules seem to be bent for him.  I just annoys me, is all.  Plus, I'm bothered by the fact that I can't help but wonder if I'd be defending the guy if he'd ended up going to Alabama instead.  It's a personal problem.
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« Reply #13 on: December 14, 2009, 03:32:20 pm »
Doesn't starting a sentence with "I don't want to be a dickhead about this" pretty much guarantee that you're going to be a dickhead about it?  Call it the "Don't take this personally" rule.

Yeah, I guess I didn't think about that.


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I'm not a big Tebow fan-- shocker, I know, coming from an Alabama fan-- but the thing that bothers me most is the way rules seem to be bent for him.  I just annoys me, is all.  Plus, I'm bothered by the fact that I can't help but wonder if I'd be defending the guy if he'd ended up going to Alabama instead.  It's a personal problem.

What "rules" were bent?  We're not talking about changing the tax code or ammending the rule on what consitutes an illegal foward pass here.  He's a fomer Heisman winner, so he gets invited to the Heisman ceremony, like all former winners do.  He also happens to be a current player who was in the running.  He also gets a vote for the award, which I assume pisses you off too.  I mean, I can understand one not thinking he should have won.  Which he didn't, not even close.  I can understand someone from Alabama wanting him to do poorly in the big game.  Which he did.  I can even understand being tired of hearing about him.  Which we all are.  But the personal venom directed toward him is just ridiculous, especially when the only reason it gets so personal is because he's deeply religious.
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« Reply #14 on: December 14, 2009, 03:42:50 pm »
What "rules" were bent?  We're not talking about changing the tax code or ammending the rule on what consitutes an illegal foward pass here.  He's a fomer Heisman winner, so he gets invited to the Heisman ceremony, like all former winners do.  He also happens to be a current player who was in the running.  He also gets a vote for the award, which I assume pisses you off too.  I mean, I can understand one not thinking he should have won.  Which he didn't, not even close.  I can understand someone from Alabama wanting him to do poorly in the big game.  Which he did.  I can even understand being tired of hearing about him.  Which we all are.  But the personal venom directed toward him is just ridiculous, especially when the only reason it gets so personal is because he's deeply religious.

I mean rules, in general, not necessarily the Heisman finalist "rule".  The celebration/taunting rule, specifically, does not seem to apply to him in the same manner that it does to other players.  As for the Heisman, three to five are invited, and it has to do with where the vote totals fall, or at least that's how the Heisman Foundation or Downtown Athletic Club or whatever they're called now, has described the process of selecting finalists in the past. 

I have no problem with him getting invited to the ceremony, which I said before.  I have no problem with him having a vote as a former winner.  I actually, don't wish the guy any ill will, other than to lose any time they play Alabama if that can be considered "ill will".  I just don't understand why he was invited as a finalist.  To me, it seems like a continuance (is that a word outside of Law & Order?) of the double standard I mentioned before.  And you're right.  It's not his fault they're applied that way.
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« Reply #15 on: December 14, 2009, 03:48:21 pm »
I just don't understand why he was invited as a finalist. 

Can you not understand that having the 5th-place vote getter standing on the stage, but not as a "finalist" when there were 4 "finalists", would have redefined "awkward"?
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« Reply #16 on: December 14, 2009, 04:00:55 pm »
Can you not understand that having the 5th-place vote getter standing on the stage, but not as a "finalist" when there were 4 "finalists", would have redefined "awkward"?

He isn't required to stand on stage is he?  If he earned being a finalist, he should be one.  My opinion, which is totally worthless, is that he didn't.  The DAC, whose opinion is (at the very least) totally worthwhile, is that he was.  They've run the Heisman show for 75 years, and it's arguably the most recognizable and talked about individual award in sports.  They're doing something right. 

I was wondering if anyone had heard any reasons why it was extended to five finalist this year.  What I've heard is "he won it before" and "it would have been awkward had he not been a finalist".  Neither of those seem like good reasons to me, but like I already said, my opinion is just that, mine.
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« Reply #17 on: December 14, 2009, 04:03:00 pm »
He isn't required to stand on stage is he?  If he earned being a finalist, he should be one.  My opinion, which is totally worthless, is that he didn't.  The DAC, whose opinion is (at the very least) totally worthwhile, is that he was.  They've run the Heisman show for 75 years, and it's arguably the most recognizable and talked about individual award in sports.  They're doing something right. 

I was wondering if anyone had heard any reasons why it was extended to five finalist this year.  What I've heard is "he won it before" and "it would have been awkward had he not been a finalist".  Neither of those seem like good reasons to me, but like I already said, my opinion is just that, mine.

Actually the DAC went bankrupt and it's now adminstered by the heisman trust (with the presentation in times square).
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« Reply #18 on: December 14, 2009, 04:07:15 pm »
He isn't required to stand on stage is he?  If he earned being a finalist, he should be one.  My opinion, which is totally worthless, is that he didn't.  The DAC, whose opinion is (at the very least) totally worthwhile, is that he was.  They've run the Heisman show for 75 years, and it's arguably the most recognizable and talked about individual award in sports.  They're doing something right. 

I was wondering if anyone had heard any reasons why it was extended to five finalist this year.  What I've heard is "he won it before" and "it would have been awkward had he not been a finalist".  Neither of those seem like good reasons to me, but like I already said, my opinion is just that, mine.

He earned it by accumulating more votes than all but 4 other candidates.  As you said, you're just willfully being a dickhead about it.

More importantly, just remember that Heisman winners are only 1-6 in the BCS championship game, and Leinart's win barely counts as it came over OU.  In other words, no "Rammer Jammer" for you in Pasadena.  And yes, I'll be there, loving every minute of it.
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« Reply #19 on: December 14, 2009, 04:20:24 pm »
He isn't required to stand on stage is he?  If he earned being a finalist, he should be one.  My opinion, which is totally worthless, is that he didn't.  The DAC, whose opinion is (at the very least) totally worthwhile, is that he was.  They've run the Heisman show for 75 years, and it's arguably the most recognizable and talked about individual award in sports.  They're doing something right. 

I was wondering if anyone had heard any reasons why it was extended to five finalist this year.  What I've heard is "he won it before" and "it would have been awkward had he not been a finalist".  Neither of those seem like good reasons to me, but like I already said, my opinion is just that, mine.

How about because ESPN apparently has viewer stats justifying their hard-on for him and they wanted him in the lineup to draw more to the show to support future advertising fees?  I'm merely guessing they have that kind of pull, but it wouldn't be a stretch.  I'm as sick of hearing about him as the next guy, but I don't blame them if its working for their bottom line.
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« Reply #20 on: December 14, 2009, 04:24:27 pm »
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« Reply #21 on: December 14, 2009, 04:26:11 pm »
He earned it by accumulating more votes than all but 4 other candidates.  As you said, you're just willfully being a dickhead about it.

More importantly, just remember that Heisman winners are only 1-6 in the BCS championship game, and Leinart's win barely counts as it came over OU.  In other words, no "Rammer Jammer" for you in Pasadena.  And yes, I'll be there, loving every minute of it.

The joke about being a dickhead, was just that, a joke.  I'm actually interested in whether or not there was any other reason for him being invited.  But since the only people following this thread have not taken that as my intention, I'll just stop with the responses rather than continuing to push the issue and being a complete ass.  (Given that we're talking about a 22 year old, it's certainly gone farther than I intended, and my apologies for anything that came across as a personal insult to him.)

I don't trash talk in "real life" so I'm certainly not going to start on a board that, while not a UT one, is heavily Longhorns centric.  Best of luck to the Longhorns.  Are you going to Pasadena for the game?
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« Reply #22 on: December 14, 2009, 04:28:06 pm »
I don't trash talk in "real life" so I'm certainly not going to start on a board that, while not a UT one, is heavily Longhorns centric.  Best of luck to the Longhorns.  Are you going to Pasadena for the game?

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« Reply #23 on: December 14, 2009, 04:35:51 pm »
Yep.  Tickets in hand.  Made the UT-Michigan Rose Bowl, missed out on the nat'l championship after the birth of my daughter.  Not missing out on this one.

Dear Football Gods,

When MM said "Not missing out on this one", he was referring to missing out on attending the game, regardless of its outcome.

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« Reply #24 on: December 14, 2009, 04:39:55 pm »
Dear Football Gods,

When MM said "Not missing out on this one", he was referring to missing out on attending the game, regardless of its outcome.

Thank you.

Dear Football Gods,

Please be sure to double check this one.  I'm not saying what he was or wasn't saying, but if you could double check, that would be great.

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« Reply #25 on: December 14, 2009, 04:43:12 pm »
Dear Football Gods,

When MM said "Not missing out on this one", he was referring to missing out on attending the game, regardless of its outcome.

Thank you.

austro is correct... after the Nebraska game, I am quite certain we are DOOOOOOOMED as can be.  Bama 70, Horns 3.
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« Reply #26 on: December 14, 2009, 05:07:41 pm »
austro is correct... after the Nebraska game, I am quite certain we are DOOOOOOOMED as can be.  Bama 70, Horns 3.

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« Reply #27 on: December 14, 2009, 05:29:04 pm »
Yeah, I guess I didn't think about that.


What "rules" were bent?  We're not talking about changing the tax code or ammending the rule on what consitutes an illegal foward pass here.  He's a fomer Heisman winner, so he gets invited to the Heisman ceremony, like all former winners do.  He also happens to be a current player who was in the running.  He also gets a vote for the award, which I assume pisses you off too.  I mean, I can understand one not thinking he should have won.  Which he didn't, not even close.  I can understand someone from Alabama wanting him to do poorly in the big game.  Which he did.  I can even understand being tired of hearing about him.  Which we all are.  But the personal venom directed toward him is just ridiculous, especially when the only reason it gets so personal is because he's deeply religious.

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« Reply #28 on: December 14, 2009, 05:39:13 pm »
How many days until pitchers and catchers report?

February 20, isn't it? Texas starts its season February 19, so there will be baseball at the beginning of February - 8 weeks.
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« Reply #29 on: December 14, 2009, 05:43:14 pm »
How many days until pitchers and catchers report?

I couldn't have said it better myself.
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« Reply #30 on: December 14, 2009, 05:53:00 pm »
I'm actually interested in whether or not there was any other reason for him being invited.

You mean other than because a) he is a former winner, and b) he is a finalist, either one of which would earn him a legitimate invitation to the event,...no.  But since neither one of those are acceptable to you, I'm not sure you can be convinced at all.
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« Reply #31 on: December 14, 2009, 06:04:58 pm »
You mean other than because a) he is a former winner, and b) he is a finalist, either one of which would earn him a legitimate invitation to the event,...no.  But since neither one of those are acceptable to you, I'm not sure you can be convinced at all.

that should have said "invited as a finalist."  My bad.  As I said, I have no issue with him being invited to the ceremony as a former winner.
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