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Different Lineup Today, Wednesday, August 19, 2009
« on: August 19, 2009, 03:04:37 pm »
Astros lineup: Bourn CF, Keppinger 3B, Berkman, 1B, Lee LF, Tejada SS, Pence RF, Matsui 2B, Quintero C, Bazardo p

a little different anyway.
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Re: Different Lineup Today, Wednesday, August 19, 2009
« Reply #1 on: August 19, 2009, 06:18:33 pm »
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Re: Different Lineup Today, Wednesday, August 19, 2009
« Reply #2 on: August 19, 2009, 06:20:00 pm »
I wonder if it is tough to pitch with Cooper in the dugout holding up your AAA jersey every time you give up a hit.
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Re: Different Lineup Today, Wednesday, August 19, 2009
« Reply #3 on: August 19, 2009, 06:36:25 pm »
I wish to present a different lineup.

Keppinger  CF
Pence 3B
Bourn 1B
Bazardo LF
Quintero SS
Berkman RF
Tejada 2B
Matsui C
Lee p

While we're just making shit up, let's see what these so called "major leaguers" can really do.

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Re: Different Lineup Today, Wednesday, August 19, 2009
« Reply #4 on: August 19, 2009, 07:20:11 pm »
As we say almost every night, I sure do enjoy watching Michael Bourn play for the Astros.
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Re: Different Lineup Today, Wednesday, August 19, 2009
« Reply #5 on: August 19, 2009, 07:27:12 pm »
Q with a MAMMOTH home run to center, 20' above the 404 sign to make it 4-2 Astros in the bottom of the 4th.
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Re: Different Lineup Today, Wednesday, August 19, 2009
« Reply #6 on: August 19, 2009, 07:27:38 pm »
Q will be batting 2nd tomorrow night. 
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Re: Different Lineup Today, Wednesday, August 19, 2009
« Reply #7 on: August 19, 2009, 07:35:09 pm »
Q will be batting 2nd tomorrow night. 

Coop will double-switch in the third, putting the new pitcher in the 2 hole.
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Re: Different Lineup Today, Wednesday, August 19, 2009
« Reply #8 on: August 19, 2009, 07:35:48 pm »
Man, Bazardo got a strikeout.
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Re: Different Lineup Today, Wednesday, August 19, 2009
« Reply #9 on: August 19, 2009, 07:39:29 pm »
For fuck's sake, Coop!   Let him try to finish the fucking inning!

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Re: Different Lineup Today, Wednesday, August 19, 2009
« Reply #10 on: August 19, 2009, 07:40:13 pm »
I been gone the last 2 innings.  Why is Bazardo gone?

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« Reply #11 on: August 19, 2009, 07:41:55 pm »
It's the 5th and he's managing like it's the 7th.  There will likely be so few fans left at MMPUS that you'll be able to hear the groans from the bullpen when Coop gets near the top step.

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Re: Different Lineup Today, Wednesday, August 19, 2009
« Reply #12 on: August 19, 2009, 07:42:24 pm »
The move smells of desperation on Coop's part.

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Re: Different Lineup Today, Wednesday, August 19, 2009
« Reply #13 on: August 19, 2009, 07:43:18 pm »
What a fucking dickhead move not letting Bazardo finish off the inning and have a chance at the win.

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Re: Different Lineup Today, Wednesday, August 19, 2009
« Reply #14 on: August 19, 2009, 07:43:43 pm »
So wait, he's not hurt or on an intentional short leash or something?

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Re: Different Lineup Today, Wednesday, August 19, 2009
« Reply #15 on: August 19, 2009, 07:43:54 pm »
I been gone the last 2 innings.  Why is Bazardo gone?

Because Cooper is a fucking wanker.  

2 on, 2 out, Cooper goes for some hot lefty-on-lefty action.  Yanks Bazardo, denying him the chance of INSin and denying everyone else the chance to see if Bazardo can bear down when under pressure.

Oh, and Byrdak comes in and walks his man.  And now he's gone.  

I really am totally fucking sick of this fucking shit by Cooper.
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Re: Different Lineup Today, Wednesday, August 19, 2009
« Reply #16 on: August 19, 2009, 07:44:33 pm »
J.D. with a hint of sarcasm says Cooper realizes this is a crucial point so he's bringing in his only left-hander. I can tell when he's biting his tongue.
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Re: Different Lineup Today, Wednesday, August 19, 2009
« Reply #17 on: August 19, 2009, 07:44:58 pm »
Because Cooper is a fucking wanker. 

2 on, 2 out, Cooper goes for some hot lefty-on-lefty action.  Yanks Bazardo, denying him the chance of a Qin and denying everyone else the chance to see if Bazardo can bear down when under pressure.

Oh, and Byrdak comes in and walks his man.  And now he's gone. 

I really am totally fucking sick of this fucking shit by Cooper.

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Re: Different Lineup Today, Wednesday, August 19, 2009
« Reply #18 on: August 19, 2009, 07:45:22 pm »
Why does Cooper continue to believe that Byrdak is a situational lefty? He's simply a pitcher that happens to be left-handed. Why is this so difficult to understand?
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Re: Different Lineup Today, Wednesday, August 19, 2009
« Reply #19 on: August 19, 2009, 07:45:30 pm »
Man, that guy can manage.
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Re: Different Lineup Today, Wednesday, August 19, 2009
« Reply #20 on: August 19, 2009, 07:45:37 pm »

everyone else the chance to see if Bazardo can bear down when under pressure.


This is what sandpapers my balls the most, but I guess everyone has the luxury of thinking about starting to evaluate for next season other than Poop.

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Re: Different Lineup Today, Wednesday, August 19, 2009
« Reply #21 on: August 19, 2009, 07:45:50 pm »
Because Cooper is a fucking wanker. 

2 on, 2 out, Cooper goes for some hot lefty-on-lefty action.  Yanks Bazardo, denying him the chance of a Qin and denying everyone else the chance to see if Bazardo can bear down when under pressure.

Oh, and Byrdak comes in and walks his man.  And now he's gone. 

I really am totally fucking sick of this fucking shit by Cooper.

In the pregame Coop said that Paulino just pitched two days ago so he may not be ready tonight. Look for him to come in around the sixth inning, or maybe sooner.
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Re: Different Lineup Today, Wednesday, August 19, 2009
« Reply #22 on: August 19, 2009, 07:46:14 pm »
Oh, man: Gervacio comes in cold to a bases-loaded situation. That can't turn out well.
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Re: Different Lineup Today, Wednesday, August 19, 2009
« Reply #23 on: August 19, 2009, 07:47:20 pm »
Man, that guy can manage to fuck up even the most simple situation.

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« Reply #24 on: August 19, 2009, 07:47:26 pm »
Man, that guy can manage to fuck with everything.

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Re: Different Lineup Today, Wednesday, August 19, 2009
« Reply #25 on: August 19, 2009, 07:49:05 pm »
This is what sandpapers my balls the most, but I guess everyone has the luxury of thinking about starting to evaluate for next season other than Poop.

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« Reply #26 on: August 19, 2009, 07:49:07 pm »
Oh, man: Gervacio comes in cold to a bases-loaded situation. That can't turn out well.

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Re: Different Lineup Today, Wednesday, August 19, 2009
« Reply #27 on: August 19, 2009, 07:50:27 pm »
FTR, I'm changing the channel.  I can't watch this tool drive this club over a cliff anymore.

If I'd been at the game, I would've walked out.

Fuck.  Cooper.

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« Reply #28 on: August 19, 2009, 07:50:31 pm »
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« Reply #29 on: August 19, 2009, 07:50:46 pm »
Man, that guy can manage.

I really want to believe that everyone here is crazy and that Coop is actually a genius in disguise, but you know.......I'm not seein' it.

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« Reply #30 on: August 19, 2009, 07:51:27 pm »
I really want to believe that everyone here is crazy and that Coop is actually a genius in disguise, but you know.......I'm not seein' it.

Why? What's wrong with Cooper?
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Re: Different Lineup Today, Wednesday, August 19, 2009
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Also FTR, I am stone cold sober.

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Why? What's wrong with Cooper?

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Re: Different Lineup Today, Wednesday, August 19, 2009
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What sandpapers your balls the least?

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Re: Different Lineup Today, Wednesday, August 19, 2009
« Reply #34 on: August 19, 2009, 07:54:18 pm »
Micheal Bourn is alright.
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Update, for those of us who can't get the game on the tube? They're showing the Red Sox over here in the Big Easy for their massive, overstuffed bastion of Boston fans.
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Update, for those of us who can't get the game on the tube? They're showing the Red Sox over here in the Big Easy for their massive, overstuffed bastion of Boston fans.

One of my employees told me Brad Pitt was gonna wrong run for mayor over there.  I'm sure it will only get better.  Maybe they'll adopt a new team.

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« Reply #37 on: August 19, 2009, 07:58:18 pm »
Micheal Bourn is alright.

The fact that this is Wade's guy, that he went out on a limb to get him is what gives me great hope for the future Houston Astros.  Fantastic talent to build around for many years to come.

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Update, for those of us who can't get the game on the tube? They're showing the Red Sox over here in the Big Easy for their massive, overstuffed bastion of Boston fans.

4-2 Astros, top of the sixth. Fulchino pitching.
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...and Fulchino gives up a leadoff triple and a double into the LF corner. It's 4-3.
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« Reply #40 on: August 19, 2009, 08:04:47 pm »
So let me get this straight: I saw Bourn single, then steal 2nd and take 3rd on the throw. So he's on 3rd with no outs. I flip over to the track meet to watch the 18-year-old "girl" win the 800m, and when I come back Florida is up to bat and the score is unchanged. I'm forced to conclude that Keppinger, Berkman, and Lee couldn't get Bourn in from 3rd. Is that right?
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« Reply #41 on: August 19, 2009, 08:05:38 pm »
Wow. Incredible catch by Bourn, running a mile to grab a flyball and prevent a run from scoring. Spectacular.
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« Reply #42 on: August 19, 2009, 08:06:12 pm »
The Marlins have a player named Ross Gload, which is an anagram for Ass Rod Log.
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So let me get this straight: I saw Bourn single, then steal 2nd and take 3rd on the throw. So he's on 3rd with no outs. I flip over to the track meet to watch the 18-year-old "girl" win the 800m, and when I come back Florida is up to bat and the score is unchanged. I'm forced to conclude that Keppinger, Berkman, and Lee couldn't get Bourn in from 3rd. Is that right?

Yes, sir. That is correct.

In order for Bourn to score a run, he must steal home.
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« Reply #44 on: August 19, 2009, 08:11:14 pm »
The Marlins have a player named Ross Gload, which is an anagram for Ass Rod Log.

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So let me get this straight: I saw Bourn single, then steal 2nd and take 3rd on the throw. So he's on 3rd with no outs. I flip over to the track meet to watch the 18-year-old "girl" win the 800m, and when I come back Florida is up to bat and the score is unchanged. I'm forced to conclude that Keppinger, Berkman, and Lee couldn't get Bourn in from 3rd. Is that right?
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« Reply #46 on: August 19, 2009, 08:20:53 pm »
Why is Hunter diving into second on a steal?
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« Reply #47 on: August 19, 2009, 08:23:16 pm »
There is an obscure rule that allows the Official Scorer to award the win to a subsequent relief pitcher if the starting pitcher fails to go the requisite 5 innings, allowing for some debate as to what is an "effective" appearance. It led to an overturning of an original win assignment earlier in the year. I doubt 3 wins are awarded in such fashion on the average in a year in all of MLB. With Cooper at the helm, the situation seems to come up almost monthly. He seems to be 3 or 4 standard deviations off the Bell Curve when it comes to managing a pitching staff. Like we didn't already know that....disdain for pitchers + cover my ass with a win today, the future be damned mentality

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« Reply #48 on: August 19, 2009, 08:39:08 pm »
Obscure rule?
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« Reply #49 on: August 19, 2009, 08:40:54 pm »
There is an obscure rule that allows the Official Scorer to award the win to a subsequent relief pitcher if the starting pitcher fails to go the requisite 5 innings, allowing for some debate as to what is an "effective" appearance. It led to an overturning of an original win assignment earlier in the year. I doubt 3 wins are awarded in such fashion on the average in a year in all of MLB. With Cooper at the helm, the situation seems to come up almost monthly. He seems to be 3 or 4 standard deviations off the Bell Curve when it comes to managing a pitching staff. Like we didn't already know that....disdain for pitchers + cover my ass with a win today, the future be damned mentality
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Re: Different Lineup Today, Wednesday, August 19, 2009
« Reply #50 on: August 19, 2009, 08:42:49 pm »
Man o man. That dude is alive.
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« Reply #51 on: August 19, 2009, 08:43:19 pm »
Bourn with a triple off the wall in LF that makes it 5-3 in the bottom of the 7th.
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« Reply #52 on: August 19, 2009, 08:45:31 pm »
and scores on a Keppinger single. Berkman promptly grounds into a DP. 6-3

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« Reply #53 on: August 19, 2009, 08:45:41 pm »
Bourn with a triple off the wall in LF that makes it 5-3 in the bottom of the 7th.

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« Reply #54 on: August 19, 2009, 08:46:33 pm »
Obscure rule?

Obscure enough that the Official Scorer fucked it up the first time he made his ruling and the nuances had to be explained to him and he had to go back and change it. I'd say that qualifies as "obscure" if the Official Scorer in a MLB game doesn't know how it is supposed to be interpreted.

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Re: Different Lineup Today, Wednesday, August 19, 2009
« Reply #55 on: August 19, 2009, 08:46:34 pm »
Ladies and gentlemen, I submit that you are watching the 2009 Astros Most Valuable Player out in CF.
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Re: Different Lineup Today, Wednesday, August 19, 2009
« Reply #56 on: August 19, 2009, 08:47:51 pm »
Obscure enough that the Official Scorer fucked it up the first time he made his ruling and the nuances had to be explained to him and he had to go back and change it. I'd say that qualifies as "obscure" if the Official Scorer in a MLB game doesn't know how it is supposed to be interpreted.

That doesn't mean it's obscure. It means it may be difficult to interpret.
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Re: Different Lineup Today, Wednesday, August 19, 2009
« Reply #57 on: August 19, 2009, 08:48:40 pm »
Great myths of our time:
1.  The Phillies won the Lidge trade
2.  The Astros hate black players
3.  Brett Favre is a good guy

I hate that #3. I've been a Packer fan since about 1966, probably because they seemed to be the only team to beat the Cowboys back then and EVERYBODY I knew was a Cowboy fan. I wish Favre had ended his career gracefully, but this has been a complete horror show.
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Re: Different Lineup Today, Wednesday, August 19, 2009
« Reply #58 on: August 19, 2009, 08:49:50 pm »
why was Bourn told to bunt in the first place? That was idiotic strategy.

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Re: Different Lineup Today, Wednesday, August 19, 2009
« Reply #59 on: August 19, 2009, 08:51:27 pm »
Obscure enough that the Official Scorer fucked it up the first time he made his ruling and the nuances had to be explained to him and he had to go back and change it. I'd say that qualifies as "obscure" if the Official Scorer in a MLB game doesn't know how it is supposed to be interpreted.

The only reason you think the rule is obscure is because the only time you take your mouth off your own cock is to take a breath.
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Re: Different Lineup Today, Wednesday, August 19, 2009
« Reply #60 on: August 19, 2009, 08:54:36 pm »
I hate that #3. I've been a Packer fan since about 1966, probably because they seemed to be the only team to beat the Cowboys back then and EVERYBODY I knew was a Cowboy fan. I wish Favre had ended his career gracefully, but this has been a complete horror show.
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Re: Different Lineup Today, Wednesday, August 19, 2009
« Reply #61 on: August 19, 2009, 08:54:46 pm »
The only reason you think the rule is obscure is because the only time you take your mouth off your own cock is to take a breath.

Few posts make me laugh out loud as often as yours do, Limey.
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Re: Different Lineup Today, Wednesday, August 19, 2009
« Reply #62 on: August 19, 2009, 08:55:37 pm »
That doesn't mean it's obscure. It means it may be difficult to interpret.

It means its obscure:

Main Entry:   1ob·scure
Pronunciation: \Ă€b-ˈskyu̇r, əb-\
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French oscur, obscur, from Latin obscurus
Date: 15th century
1 a : dark, dim b : shrouded in or hidden by darkness c : not clearly seen or easily distinguished : faint <obscure markings>
2 : not readily understood or clearly expressed; also : mysterious
3 : relatively unknown: as a : remote, secluded <an obscure village> b : not prominent or famous <an obscure poet>
4 : constituting the unstressed vowel \ə\ or having unstressed \ə\ as its value
— ob·scure·ly adverb
— ob·scure·ness noun
synonyms obscure, dark, vague, enigmatic, cryptic, ambiguous, equivocal mean not clearly understandable. obscure implies a hiding or veiling of meaning through some inadequacy of expression or withholding of full knowledge

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Re: Different Lineup Today, Wednesday, August 19, 2009
« Reply #63 on: August 19, 2009, 08:55:44 pm »
The only reason you think the rule is obscure is because the only time you take your mouth off your own cock is to take a breath.

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Re: Different Lineup Today, Wednesday, August 19, 2009
« Reply #64 on: August 19, 2009, 08:56:17 pm »
Few posts make me laugh out loud as often as yours do, Limey.

I don't laugh out loud much in movies and that got a chuckle on a message board.  golf clap.

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Re: Different Lineup Today, Wednesday, August 19, 2009
« Reply #65 on: August 19, 2009, 08:59:49 pm »
It means its obscure:
It's been the rule since the beginning of time.  Everyone knows it.

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Re: Different Lineup Today, Wednesday, August 19, 2009
« Reply #66 on: August 19, 2009, 09:01:15 pm »
The only reason you think the rule is obscure is because the only time you take your mouth off your own cock is to take a breath.

Hey Limey, how's about you gouge an eye out with a sharp stick and go sit in a corner and skull fuck yourself.

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Re: Different Lineup Today, Wednesday, August 19, 2009
« Reply #67 on: August 19, 2009, 09:02:17 pm »
It's been the rule since the beginning of time.  Everyone knows it.

I'm pretty sure Philip is a Hunter's Lodge denizen, if he's been to a game.  Low expectations.

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Re: Different Lineup Today, Wednesday, August 19, 2009
« Reply #68 on: August 19, 2009, 09:04:17 pm »
Hey Limey, how's about you gouge an eye out with a sharp stick and go sit in a corner and skull fuck yourself.

You know what else is obscure to you?   The difference between profanity and wit.
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Re: Different Lineup Today, Wednesday, August 19, 2009
« Reply #69 on: August 19, 2009, 09:08:16 pm »
Hey Limey, how's about you gouge an eye out with a sharp stick and go sit in a corner and skull fuck yourself.

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Re: Different Lineup Today, Wednesday, August 19, 2009
« Reply #70 on: August 19, 2009, 09:10:49 pm »
I'm starting to feel a bit inadequate.
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Re: Different Lineup Today, Wednesday, August 19, 2009
« Reply #71 on: August 19, 2009, 09:15:50 pm »
Carlos flashing some leather tonight.
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Re: Different Lineup Today, Wednesday, August 19, 2009
« Reply #72 on: August 19, 2009, 09:17:31 pm »
de Àr sÄ himla bra. Jag spelar sjÀlv kontrabas. Och hon Àr som spelar det Àr en av mina idoler:)


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Re: Different Lineup Today, Wednesday, August 19, 2009
« Reply #73 on: August 19, 2009, 09:21:57 pm »
From the Unofficial Scorer on 5/2:

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So I next present Rule 10.17(c), which must have applied.

(c) The official scorer shall not credit as the winning pitcher a relief pitcher who is ineffective in a brief appearance, when at least one succeeding relief pitcher pitches effectively in helping his team maintain its lead. In such a case, the official scorer shall credit as the winning pitcher the succeeding relief pitcher who was most effective, in the judgment of the official scorer.

Since we've eliminated the other possibilities for why Paulino was not the winning pitcher, it had to be determined that Paulino was ineffective and brief, having given up the run in two innings and that Byrdak was the more effective succeeding reliever.

However, the rule book continues with a comment that would make me think that Paulino wasn't really ineffective or brief and should be given his first win.

Rule 10.17(c) Comment: The official scorer generally should, but is not required to, consider the appearance of a relief pitcher to be ineffective and brief if such relief pitcher pitches less than one inning and allows two or more earned runs to score (even if such runs are charged to a previous pitcher). Rule 10.17(b) Comment provides guidance on choosing the winning pitcher from among several succeeding relief pitchers.

Paulino didn't meet either of those characteristics. He pitched two innings and gave up one run. Byrdak pitched better after Paulino, but he never even enters the discussion until Paulino is deemed ineffective and brief. Paulino went two innings, allowing three hits, a walk and an earned run, putting him right on target in a league where the average team scores roughly a run every two innings. And he certainly wasn't in the intended range for "brief."

Unless I'm reading something wrong, the decision to give Byrdak the win over Paulino is in the small picture, suspect, and in the big picture, completely meaningless.

Update: As suggested in this post, Paulino was later credited with the win.

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Re: Different Lineup Today, Wednesday, August 19, 2009
« Reply #74 on: August 19, 2009, 09:23:07 pm »
Hey Limey, how's about you gouge an eye out with a sharp stick and go sit in a corner and skull fuck yourself.

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Re: Different Lineup Today, Wednesday, August 19, 2009
« Reply #75 on: August 19, 2009, 09:23:19 pm »
Philip, nobody gives a shit but you.
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Re: Different Lineup Today, Wednesday, August 19, 2009
« Reply #76 on: August 19, 2009, 09:24:00 pm »
Jose can't fucking do anything easy.
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Re: Different Lineup Today, Wednesday, August 19, 2009
« Reply #77 on: August 19, 2009, 09:24:43 pm »
Jose can't fucking do anything easy.

It's like it isn't a save unless the tying run is on or at bat.
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Re: Different Lineup Today, Wednesday, August 19, 2009
« Reply #78 on: August 19, 2009, 09:26:01 pm »
Or, to quote Monty Python:

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Humphrey: All right, settle down. Settle down... Now, before I begin the lesson, will those of you who are playing in the match this afternoon move your clothes down onto the lower peg immediately after lunch, before you write your letter home, if you're not getting your hair cut, unless you've got a younger brother who is going out this weekend as the guest of another boy, in which case, collect his note before lunch, put it in your letter after you've had your hair cut, and make sure he moves your clothes down onto the lower peg for you. Now...
Wymer: Sir?
Humphrey: Yes, Wymer?
Wymer: My younger brother's going out with Dibble this weekend, sir, but I'm not having my hair cut today, sir.
Pupils: [chuckling]
Wymer: So, do I move my clothes down, or...
Humphrey: I do wish you'd listen, Wymer. It's perfectly simple. If you're not getting your hair cut, you don't have to move your brother's clothes down to the lower peg. You simply collect his note before lunch, after you've done your scripture prep, when you've written your letter home, before rest, move your own clothes onto the lower peg, greet the visitors, and report to Mr. Viney that you've had your chit signed.
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Re: Different Lineup Today, Wednesday, August 19, 2009
« Reply #79 on: August 19, 2009, 09:28:54 pm »
Fuck me, Gervacio's got better control.
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Re: Different Lineup Today, Wednesday, August 19, 2009
« Reply #80 on: August 19, 2009, 09:31:03 pm »
Coughlan's a good hitter, ain't he.
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Re: Different Lineup Today, Wednesday, August 19, 2009
« Reply #81 on: August 19, 2009, 09:32:57 pm »
JD is right, throw one high and away, the guy is swinging at everything right now.

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Re: Different Lineup Today, Wednesday, August 19, 2009
« Reply #82 on: August 19, 2009, 09:33:27 pm »
Whew. Ballgame, 6-3 Astros.
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Re: Different Lineup Today, Wednesday, August 19, 2009
« Reply #83 on: August 19, 2009, 09:33:32 pm »
That works too!  *phew*

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Re: Different Lineup Today, Wednesday, August 19, 2009
« Reply #84 on: August 19, 2009, 09:33:48 pm »
coghlan looks like a ballplayer, K or not.

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Re: Different Lineup Today, Wednesday, August 19, 2009
« Reply #85 on: August 19, 2009, 09:49:42 pm »
coghlan looks like a ballplayer, K or not.

Thing was, he was swinging... at everything.  It's time to expand the zone and see if he just plain gets himself out.  Finally, Valverde threw a pitch nowhere near the zone.  But if we're talking about Coghlan being a good player, yes he is.  Right now, the book has not been written on how to get him out, but when it is, it will be interesting to see if he makes adjustments or starts to fall into that lonely place of a major leaguer who is treading water for good long while.

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Re: Different Lineup Today, Wednesday, August 19, 2009
« Reply #86 on: August 19, 2009, 10:16:19 pm »
Minus the pitcher merry-go-round that was a fun game to be at.

Michael Bourn is my HERO.  Absolutely love that kid.
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Re: Different Lineup Today, Wednesday, August 19, 2009
« Reply #87 on: August 20, 2009, 08:30:30 am »
Because Cooper is a fucking wanker.  

2 on, 2 out, Cooper goes for some hot lefty-on-lefty action.  Yanks Bazardo, denying him the chance of INSin and denying everyone else the chance to see if Bazardo can bear down when under pressure.

Oh, and Byrdak comes in and walks his man.  And now he's gone.  

I really am totally fucking sick of this fucking shit by Cooper.

thanks for explaining this. i could not watch last night and wondered "why only 4 2/3 with a lead?" i should have known.
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Re: Different Lineup Today, Wednesday, August 19, 2009
« Reply #88 on: August 20, 2009, 08:36:33 am »
thanks for explaining this. i could not watch last night and wondered "why only 4 2/3 with a lead?" i should have known.

looking at the box score, Bazardo had thrown 95 pitches, so he was at his limit.
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Re: Different Lineup Today, Wednesday, August 19, 2009
« Reply #89 on: August 20, 2009, 08:41:42 am »
looking at the box score, Bazardo had thrown 95 pitches, so he was at his limit.

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Re: Different Lineup Today, Wednesday, August 19, 2009
« Reply #90 on: August 20, 2009, 08:44:36 am »
cooper sure seems to love those pitch counts.  he ended up using 6 pitchers on the night.

bazardo, byrdak, gervacio, fulchino, hawkins, and valverde.

it sometimes feels like he thinks each and every pitcher has to play everynight.

i couldn't figure out why he yanked bazardo when he did.  the only thing i could come up with was the 95 pitches.
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Re: Different Lineup Today, Wednesday, August 19, 2009
« Reply #91 on: August 20, 2009, 08:58:18 am »
looking at the box score, Bazardo had thrown 95 pitches, so he was at his limit.

Not the point.  How can you evaluate a pitcher if you never let him try to work through a mess of his own making?  Plus, what do you think it does to Bazardo, to have the thought in the back of his mind that every time he gets into trouble, Coop is going to be standing on the dugout steps?

Looking at the move from a purely technical standpoint, it was a judgement call that Byrdak was better to face the lefty (can't remember who, but Bazardo had him 0-1 with a walk last night to that point).  Byrdak walked the guy, but that's baseball.  So, given that it was somewhere around 50/50 to yank Bazardo or leave him, the other factors of evaluation and confidence should've carried the day in favour of leaving him in.

Cooper is managing for his own job right now.  That, if for no other reason, is why he needs to go.  Now!
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Re: Different Lineup Today, Wednesday, August 19, 2009
« Reply #92 on: August 20, 2009, 09:01:51 am »
Not the point.  How can you evaluate a pitcher if you never let him try to work through a mess of his own making?  Plus, what do you think it does to Bazardo, to have the thought in the back of his mind that every time he gets into trouble, Coop is going to be standing on the dugout steps?

Looking at the move from a purely technical standpoint, it was a judgement call that Byrdak was better to face the lefty (can't remember who, but Bazardo had him 0-1 with a walk last night to that point).  Byrdak walked the guy, but that's baseball.  So, given that it was somewhere around 50/50 to yank Bazardo or leave him, the other factors of evaluation and confidence should've carried the day in favour of leaving him in.

Cooper is managing for his own job right now.  That, if for no other reason, is why he needs to go.  Now!

I was being a tad sarcastic.  I've stated a few times this season, that just because a pitcher is around that 100 pitch mark does not mean he should be pulled.  Some cases, it may be appropriate, but I didn't think last night was one of those.

ETA:  I don't disagree with you.
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Re: Different Lineup Today, Wednesday, August 19, 2009
« Reply #93 on: August 20, 2009, 09:04:37 am »
Cooper is managing for his own job right now.  That, if for no other reason, is why he needs to go.  Now!

This is exactly what is happening. Coop thinks he can't afford to lose games because he thinks he's going to be evaluated on his W/L record. Of course, he won't be, but it's not surprising that he doesn't recognize that.
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« Reply #94 on: August 20, 2009, 09:07:30 am »
This is exactly what is happening. Coop thinks he can't afford to lose games because he thinks he's going to be evaluated on his W/L record. Of course, he won't be, but it's not surprising that he doesn't recognize that.

It's also not surprising that the front office doesn't recognise the damage he's doing.  Every day.
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Re: Different Lineup Today, Wednesday, August 19, 2009
« Reply #95 on: August 20, 2009, 09:20:33 am »
Cooper is managing for his own job right now.  That, if for no other reason, is why he needs to go.  Now!

I agree totally. Seems as though Cooper has it in his head that if the team finishes above .500, it would justify keeping him around for another year.
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« Reply #96 on: August 20, 2009, 10:12:55 am »
It's also not surprising that the front office doesn't recognise the damage he's doing.  Every day.

See, it's stuff like this I just don't believe.  I'm positive, absolutely positive, that the guys in the front office are all too aware of exactly what's happening here and have to find an answer that balances damage control, contract law, and income statements accounts.

I bet if you asked every one of them off the record, they'd tell you he needed to be let go before the season.

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« Reply #97 on: August 20, 2009, 10:18:19 am »
See, it's stuff like this I just don't believe.  I'm positive, absolutely positive, that the guys in the front office are all too aware of exactly what's happening here and have to find an answer that balances damage control, contract law, and income statements accounts.

I bet if you asked every one of them off the record, they'd tell you he needed to be let go before the season.

I'm sure that at this point they figure it's just six more weeks, and nuking the guy right now would be more PR trouble than it's worth. But I won't be surprised to see an announcement on Oct. 5.
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« Reply #98 on: August 20, 2009, 10:20:14 am »
I'm sure that at this point they figure it's just six more weeks, and nuking the guy right now would be more PR trouble than it's worth. But I won't be surprised to see an announcement on Oct. 5.

I think that's right.

Again, it's more about contracts and money and PR stress at this point than just appeasing the 1,100 Astros fans who know who Coop even is.

The extension at the beginning of the year, however, was a stupid business move.  There was no reward and all risk.  They gained nothing, not even good press or higher production.    It was a silly fucking move and everyone knew it.  Drayton's a better business guy than that.

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Re: Different Lineup Today, Wednesday, August 19, 2009
« Reply #99 on: August 20, 2009, 10:46:52 am »
See, it's stuff like this I just don't believe.  I'm positive, absolutely positive, that the guys in the front office are all too aware of exactly what's happening here and have to find an answer that balances damage control, contract law, and income statements accounts.

I bet if you asked every one of them off the record, they'd tell you he needed to be let go before the season.

The GM, at least, has shown that he can miss signs and ignore a situation until reality literally has to grab him by the throat. 

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Re: Different Lineup Today, Wednesday, August 19, 2009
« Reply #100 on: August 20, 2009, 12:02:50 pm »
The GM, at least, has shown that he can miss signs and ignore a situation until reality literally has to grab him by the throat. 

So what you're saying is, and I'm not saying this is you just being you, but that it may actually be the hard facts.  The Astros are currently run by a non-baseball grocer who has installed a General Manager who has no grasp of baseball personel management and a Field Manager whose only qualification was proximity and relation? 

This doesn't say much for the franchise.

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Re: Different Lineup Today, Wednesday, August 19, 2009
« Reply #101 on: August 20, 2009, 12:30:55 pm »
So what you're saying is, and I'm not saying this is you just being you, but that it may actually be the hard facts.  The Astros are currently run by a non-baseball grocer who has installed a General Manager who has no grasp of baseball personel management and a Field Manager whose only qualification was proximity and relation? 

This doesn't say much for the franchise.

i think the GM knows what he is doing. i think Drayton's control is an issue to consider.
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Re: Different Lineup Today, Wednesday, August 19, 2009
« Reply #102 on: August 20, 2009, 12:33:47 pm »
General Manager who has no grasp of baseball personel management...

Wade misjudged the volatility of a frustrated Chacon when he confronted him. I do think that is telling in terms of Ed's ability to read people. It is a mark against him and against the very nature of managing people. That would make him a shitty behavioral scientist, but don't think that makes him clueless in terms of judging baseball talent. His real value is assessing baseball ability.
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Re: Different Lineup Today, Wednesday, August 19, 2009
« Reply #103 on: August 20, 2009, 12:35:16 pm »
who has installed a General Manager who has no grasp of baseball personel management

What are you saying here? Management of personal relationships? Maybe not great. Personnel management? I think he's dong a good job given the constraints that he has to work with.
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Re: Different Lineup Today, Wednesday, August 19, 2009
« Reply #104 on: August 20, 2009, 12:36:41 pm »
So what you're saying is, and I'm not saying this is you just being you, but that it may actually be the hard facts.  The Astros are currently run by a non-baseball grocer who has installed a General Manager who has no grasp of baseball personel management and a Field Manager whose only qualification was proximity and relation? 

This doesn't say much for the franchise.

General Manager who has no grasp of baseball (signs that he does know baseball) personel management (definite signs that he does not) Field Manager set off alarms when I read he hangs motivational signs in the clubhouse.  

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Re: Different Lineup Today, Wednesday, August 19, 2009
« Reply #105 on: August 20, 2009, 06:45:35 pm »
What are you saying here? Management of personal relationships? Maybe not great. Personnel management? I think he's dong a good job given the constraints that he has to work with.

Wow.   That's some gud spelin.   Alkie -1.