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« on: July 11, 2009, 06:29:09 pm »
In this afternoon's Cubs-Cards game, McCarver said something like "because the slider is the easiest pitch to throw, many pitchers will fall back on that when they need to throw a strike" (this as Marmol was losing his shit). Now, I never pitched after 4th grade or so, so I don't really know anything about it except that I wasn't very good. But it seems to me that a) a fastball must be easier to throw than a slider, and b) if you're trying to throw a slider for a (non-swinging) strike, you're probably doing something wrong. Am I on drugs?
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« Reply #1 on: July 11, 2009, 06:48:08 pm »
I would agree with you. If a slider ends up in the strike zone then it probably was a poor pitch.

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« Reply #2 on: July 11, 2009, 06:49:18 pm »
In this afternoon's Cubs-Cards game, McCarver said something like "because the slider is the easiest pitch to throw, many pitchers will fall back on that when they need to throw a strike" (this as Marmol was losing his shit). Now, I never pitched after 4th grade or so, so I don't really know anything about it except that I wasn't very good. But it seems to me that a) a fastball must be easier to throw than a slider, and b) if you're trying to throw a slider for a (non-swinging) strike, you're probably doing something wrong. Am I on drugs?

No, it's just more of McCarver's bullshit. I think the two-seamer is the easiest to throw but whatever it is, it's the fastball. Or in my case, the mediumball. Or the gopherball.
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« Reply #3 on: July 11, 2009, 07:45:09 pm »
Four seam fastball (which is the way that you're supposed to regularly throw a baseball) is the easiest.
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« Reply #4 on: July 11, 2009, 07:52:37 pm »
I don't know why, but the two-seamer is the one I learned first. I threw that way from the time my hand could fit around the ball until I was 11 or so and saw some article that showed the four-seamer grip and then I used that for a roundhouse curve. I couldn't believe how weird that four-seamer grip looked, completely alien.
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« Reply #5 on: July 12, 2009, 02:51:40 am »
In this afternoon's Cubs-Cards game, McCarver said something like "because the slider is the easiest pitch to throw, many pitchers will fall back on that when they need to throw a strike" (this as Marmol was losing his shit). Now, I never pitched after 4th grade or so, so I don't really know anything about it except that I wasn't very good. But it seems to me that a) a fastball must be easier to throw than a slider, and b) if you're trying to throw a slider for a (non-swinging) strike, you're probably doing something wrong. Am I on drugs?


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« Reply #6 on: July 12, 2009, 06:51:36 pm »
Four seam fastball (which is the way that you're supposed to regularly throw a baseball) is the easiest.

I think they meant if you want to throw a strike, like right down broadway (basically a pitch you can control easier than any other).  For me, it was always the "get me over" fastball, which was basically a batting practice two-seamer.  No movement, no action, just "here, hit it and I hope someone catches it".  A slider?  Really?  Wow!

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« Reply #7 on: July 12, 2009, 07:05:43 pm »
i never had control problems, but i always used a two seam grip. that resulted in lots of in and down movement to a RH hitter.
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« Reply #8 on: July 12, 2009, 10:33:07 pm »
i never had control problems, but i always used a two seam grip. that resulted in lots of in and down movement to a RH hitter.

When I got to where I could throw hard my two-seamer would run away from a righthander. Or the first baseman when I was playing 3B.
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« Reply #9 on: July 13, 2009, 07:42:41 am »
When I got to where I could throw hard my two-seamer would run away from a righthander. Or the first baseman when I was playing 3B.

that is a cutter. a two seam fastball runs in to a RH.
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« Reply #10 on: July 13, 2009, 10:37:52 am »
that is a cutter. a two seam fastball runs in to a RH.

I know, that's the weird part. I'd grip it like a two-seamer, but I could never get it to dive in and down, always away, probably something goofy I was doing with my wrist. Our 'instruction' consisted of what you could find in the bookmobile or the little foldouts from Schlitz that showed How Big Leaguers Play Ball or some such stuff, so we did a lot of experimenting.
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« Reply #11 on: July 13, 2009, 11:00:46 am »
I know, that's the weird part. I'd grip it like a two-seamer, but I could never get it to dive in and down, always away, probably something goofy I was doing with my wrist. Our 'instruction' consisted of what you could find in the bookmobile or the little foldouts from Schlitz that showed How Big Leaguers Play Ball or some such stuff, so we did a lot of experimenting.

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« Reply #12 on: July 13, 2009, 02:36:13 pm »
I know, that's the weird part. I'd grip it like a two-seamer, but I could never get it to dive in and down, always away, probably something goofy I was doing with my wrist. Our 'instruction' consisted of what you could find in the bookmobile or the little foldouts from Schlitz that showed How Big Leaguers Play Ball or some such stuff, so we did a lot of experimenting.

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« Reply #13 on: July 13, 2009, 03:01:27 pm »
i never had control problems, but i always used a two seam grip. that resulted in lots of in and down movement to a RH hitter.

I had control problems from time to time due to mechanical breakdowns. But I lived on alternating between a two seamer that I could locate for some reason even better than a four seamer (unless I was climbing the ladder) and my splitter late in pitcher's counts.
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« Reply #14 on: July 13, 2009, 06:16:39 pm »
No, it's just more of McCarver's bullshit. I think the two-seamer is the easiest to throw but whatever it is, it's the fastball. Or in my case, the mediumball. Or the gopherball.

Four seam normally should be the easiest.  Most pitchers get more movement with a two steam fastball whereas four seam fastball is falter but thrown harder.  All really depends on what the pitcher is most comfortable throwing though.

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« Reply #15 on: July 13, 2009, 08:27:54 pm »
Four seam normally should be the easiest.  Most pitchers get more movement with a two steam fastball whereas four seam fastball is falter but thrown harder.  All really depends on what the pitcher is most comfortable throwing though.

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« Reply #16 on: July 13, 2009, 08:32:15 pm »
you do not throw a four seam harder than a two seam. who told you that?

Sure you do. I'm sure some pitchers throw a two-seam faster but generally a four-seam fastball is thrown harder, designed for a flatter movement. A get a head fastball pitch more so. A two-seam is more designed for movement.  They tend to sink or tail in on a right handed batter [RP]

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« Reply #17 on: July 13, 2009, 08:34:49 pm »
Sure you do. I'm sure some pitchers throw a two-seam faster but generally a four-seam fastball is thrown harder, designed for a flatter movement. A get a head fastball pitch more so. A two-seam is more designed for movement.  They tend to sink or tail in on a right handed batter [RP]

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« Reply #18 on: July 13, 2009, 08:37:08 pm »
Yes, normally it is.  In all my experiences a four-seam fastball has been harder than a two-seam hands down, so, I did a little research to see if others have the same results:

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A four-seam fastball is a variant of the fastball.

The four-seam fastball is a pitch that is used often by the pitcher to get ahead in the count or when he needs to throw a strike. The type of fastball is intended to have minimal lateral movement, if any. It is most often the fastest pitch that a pitcher throws, with recorded top speeds in the 100+ mph range. There are two general ways to throw a four-seam fastball.

The first and most traditional way is to find the horseshoe seam area, or the area where the seams are the farthest apart. Keeping those seams parallel to the body, the pitcher places his index and middle fingers perpendicular to them with the pads on the farthest seam from him. The thumb then rests underneath the ball about in the middle of the two fingers. With this grip, the thumb will generally have no seam to rest on.

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« Reply #19 on: July 13, 2009, 08:43:14 pm »
"Hard" does not equal "fast".  It's a hard and fast rule.
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« Reply #20 on: July 13, 2009, 08:45:33 pm »
Yes, normally it is.  In all my experiences a four-seam fastball has been harder than a two-seam hands down, so, I did a little research to see if others have the same results:

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« Reply #21 on: July 13, 2009, 09:35:53 pm »
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« Reply #22 on: July 13, 2009, 09:37:01 pm »
Wikipedia? Really? Its like you're trying too hard.

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« Reply #23 on: July 13, 2009, 09:38:29 pm »
a four seemer is definitely faster than a 2 seemer! 2 seemed fastball is used for movement, not for the speed!

you must be a fan and not a baseball athlete!
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« Reply #24 on: July 13, 2009, 09:40:57 pm »
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« Reply #25 on: July 13, 2009, 10:57:58 pm »
I guess I should be annoyed. Maybe it's the yoga, maybe it's the meditation, maybe it's the zen-like calm with which I approach all annoyances and irritations, but I am actually entertained by all of this.

Right at the ASB, too. Something almost equinoctial about that.
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« Reply #26 on: July 14, 2009, 07:37:31 am »
a four seemer is definitely faster than a 2 seemer! 2 seemed fastball is used for movement, not for the speed!

you must be a fan and not a baseball athlete!

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« Reply #27 on: July 14, 2009, 07:42:11 am »
Now that we have been enlightened on which pitch is thrown the hardest? Which pitch is hardest to throw hard if you're hardly throwing hard? Also which pitch is the softest? And if you throw a hard pitch with a softball is it harder than throwing a soft pitch with a hardball?
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« Reply #28 on: July 14, 2009, 08:08:55 am »
I guess I should be annoyed. Maybe it's the yoga, maybe it's the meditation, maybe it's the zen-like calm with which I approach all annoyances and irritations, but I am actually entertained by all of this.

Right at the ASB, too. Something almost equinoctial about that.


Or maybe it was the tequila?

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« Reply #29 on: July 14, 2009, 09:01:10 am »

Or maybe it was the tequila?

"2 seemer"?

I'm sure it seemed to make sence at the time.
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« Reply #30 on: July 14, 2009, 10:01:47 am »
Probably best to just go straight for the tequila.  Where do these guys come from?
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« Reply #31 on: July 14, 2009, 10:06:48 am »
Probably best to just go straight for the tequila.  Where do these guys come from?

I was born in Eastland, Texas, but have lived in Montgomery, Texas for over 26 years now.

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« Reply #32 on: July 14, 2009, 10:09:45 am »
I'm sure it seamed to make sence at the time.

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« Reply #33 on: July 14, 2009, 11:31:29 am »
I was born in Eastland, Texas, but have lived in Montgomery, Texas for over 26 years now.

Hey! That's something. My father's mother lived in Eastland for, I don't know, 30 years? She lived on South Dixie just north of the brown brick house at the top of the hill. I used to love going there as a kid.
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« Reply #34 on: July 14, 2009, 11:57:21 am »
Hey! That's something. My father's mother lived in Eastland for, I don't know, 30 years? She lived on South Dixie just north of the brown brick house at the top of the hill. I used to love going there as a kid.


My Dad's parents lived about 4 blocks from there, on N. Daugherty.  My mom's dad still lives on Briarwood.  Have not been there in a year or so, but love going up there to hunt and unwind.  Both lived there quite a while...50 yrs+.  My dad's dad was a horse/goat/sheep/whatever the hell else he could buy and sell for profit-trader and owned a panel company (Herridge), my mom's dad was a rancher and used to own H&H Lumber with his two brothers (Hanna).

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« Reply #35 on: July 14, 2009, 01:22:31 pm »
Hey! That's something. My father's mother lived in Eastland for, I don't know, 30 years? She lived on South Dixie just north of the brown brick house at the top of the hill. I used to love going there as a kid.

Was there also a North Dixie?
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« Reply #36 on: July 14, 2009, 01:23:18 pm »
Was there also a North Dixie?

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« Reply #37 on: July 14, 2009, 01:27:08 pm »
Was there also a North Dixie?

Yes, bus. 6 divides N and S Dixie.

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« Reply #38 on: July 14, 2009, 01:31:14 pm »
lots of very confused and conflicted residents

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« Reply #39 on: July 14, 2009, 02:03:21 pm »
lots of very confused and conflicted residents

Residents that know more pitching that you obviously.  I feel bad for you. Not knowing the difference between a two-seam and four-seam fastball is pathetic. You should be immediately removed from your little league coaching status.

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« Reply #40 on: July 14, 2009, 02:04:52 pm »
Residents that know more pitching that you obviously.  I feel bad for you. Not knowing the difference between a two-seam and four-seam fastball is pathetic. You should be immediately removed from your little league coaching status.

You might want to do a little bit of research on who you're talking to.  How many major league pitchers have you coached?
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« Reply #41 on: July 14, 2009, 02:07:11 pm »
Residents that know more pitching that you obviously.  I feel bad for you. Not knowing the difference between a two-seam and four-seam fastball is pathetic. You should be immediately removed from your little league coaching status.

I hope you've got something better than that, because that was fucking retarded.

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« Reply #42 on: July 14, 2009, 02:07:34 pm »
This is information you should know in high school ball. Hell, even younger than that.  I don't care who he thinks he is, he can talk high and mighty to me without any baseball substance in the post then I can reply with a simple baseball post that proves him wrong.  Admitting he's wrong is a lot higher way out, and more mature way out then calling me a troll.. because he's wrong on the topic.

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« Reply #43 on: July 14, 2009, 02:08:52 pm »
I hope you've got something better than that, because that was fucking retarded.

Better bring the funny/good insults soon, because I suspect you'll be run before the day is over.

I didn't come for "funny/good insults," but I'm seeing thats what this site is for.  Less baseball, more egg head talk.

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« Reply #44 on: July 14, 2009, 02:09:08 pm »
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« Reply #45 on: July 14, 2009, 02:09:34 pm »
I didn't come for "funny/good insults," but I'm seeing thats what this site is for.  Less baseball, more egg head talk.

Some of us egg heads know the difference between hard and fast.  You clearly don't.
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« Reply #46 on: July 14, 2009, 02:09:41 pm »
This is information you should know in high school ball. Hell, even younger than that.  I don't care who he thinks he is, he can talk high and mighty to me without any baseball substance in the post then I can reply with a simple baseball post that proves him wrong.  Admitting he's wrong is a lot higher way out, and more mature way out then calling me a troll.. because he's wrong on the topic.

Listen numbnuts...

A four seam fastball may MOVE faster, but that doesn't mean you throw it harder. So you're saying that if I throw a curveball as hard as I throw a four-seam fastball, they'll travel the same speed?
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« Reply #47 on: July 14, 2009, 02:10:43 pm »
Mark, quit wasting your time.  You need to get on the phone with Belisle so he can get his two seamer and four seamer switched.
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« Reply #48 on: July 14, 2009, 02:11:07 pm »
Wow, you two are idiots. You can't talk baseball with responses like these. Hard and fast? Good night morons.

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« Reply #49 on: July 14, 2009, 02:12:34 pm »
Wow, you two are idiots. You can't talk baseball with responses like these. Hard and fast? Good night morons.

Good, that means you're not going to post again, right?
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« Reply #50 on: July 14, 2009, 02:17:00 pm »
Not knowing the difference between a two-seam and four-seam fastball is pathetic.

I absolutely agree.
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« Reply #51 on: July 14, 2009, 02:17:08 pm »
Wow, you two are idiots. You can't talk baseball with responses like these. Hard and fast? Good night morons.

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« Reply #52 on: July 14, 2009, 02:17:38 pm »
Most pitchers get more movement with a two steam fastball whereas four seam fastball is falter but thrown harder. 

Fool. They are both thrown with the same motion and with the same effort. The resistance of the seams causes one to be slower than the other, or to break differently than the other. Relying on wikipedia and insults as your evidence is pretty weak.

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« Reply #53 on: July 14, 2009, 02:21:48 pm »
Some of us egg heads know the difference between hard and fast.  You clearly don't.

And, Mr. Dicks, knowing the distinction between hard and fast is valuable knowledge-the type of knowledge that extends (no pun intended) beyond the purview of baseball.  To be frank, you'd better hope your girlfriend doesn't know the difference either!
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« Reply #54 on: July 14, 2009, 02:25:03 pm »
if he doesn't know the difference between hard and fast...
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« Reply #55 on: July 14, 2009, 02:29:31 pm »

Ty, what step is he on?


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« Reply #56 on: July 14, 2009, 02:36:47 pm »
This thread is getting increasingly appropriately named.

And here's some more inanities, spouted by Msr. Pujols.
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« Reply #57 on: July 14, 2009, 03:16:44 pm »
ok, Spack. where are you? this idiot is the third troll to register and immediately begin instructional posting in the last 2-3 days. First Phillip, then Junior and now this mouth-breather.

fucking idiots.

We joined because we are Astros fans that know the game, moron. I posted because i agreed with junior. Nothing but idiot lawyers who try to talk baseball, but just played/coached tee ball. Just admit you are wrong about the 2 seemer JimR....

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« Reply #58 on: July 14, 2009, 03:18:44 pm »
Oh, for fuck's sake. Seriously? Are you that bored?
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And here's some more inanities, spouted by Msr. Pujols.

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We joined because we are Astros fans that know the game, moron. I posted because i agreed with junior. Nothing but idiot lawyers who try to talk baseball, but just played/coached tee ball. Just admit you are wrong about the 2 seemer JimR....

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« Reply #61 on: July 14, 2009, 03:23:43 pm »
This thread is getting increasingly appropriately named.

And here's some more inanities, spouted by Msr. Pujols.
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« Reply #62 on: July 14, 2009, 03:24:37 pm »
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"Brothers"?  I think you mean sockpuppets/alt trolls.  
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« Reply #63 on: July 14, 2009, 03:26:28 pm »
We joined because we are Astros fans that know the game, moron. I posted because i agreed with junior. Nothing but idiot lawyers who try to talk baseball, but just played/coached tee ball. Just admit you are wrong about the 2 seemer JimR....

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« Reply #64 on: July 14, 2009, 03:35:41 pm »
go, fuck yourself, and take your idiot brothers with you.

you're REAL mature....just because we proved you were wrong!

I thought this was a forum to talk about baseball??

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« Reply #65 on: July 14, 2009, 03:37:09 pm »
you're REAL mature....just because we proved you were wrong!

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« Reply #66 on: July 14, 2009, 03:37:18 pm »
They are both thrown with the same motion and with the same effort. The resistance of the seams causes one to be slower than the other, or to break differently than the other.

They are both thrown with the same motion and with the same effort. The resistance of the seams causes one to be slower than the other, or to break differently than the other.

They are both thrown with the same motion and with the same effort. The resistance of the seams causes one to be slower than the other, or to break differently than the other.

They are both thrown with the same motion and with the same effort. The resistance of the seams causes one to be slower than the other, or to break differently than the other.

They are both thrown with the same motion and with the same effort. The resistance of the seams causes one to be slower than the other, or to break differently than the other.

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« Reply #67 on: July 14, 2009, 03:37:29 pm »
you're REAL mature....just because we proved you were wrong!

I thought this was a forum to talk about baseball??

take your own signatures advice "Often wrong, but never in doubt."

Hey slapdick, shut the fuck up and go bother someone else.

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« Reply #68 on: July 14, 2009, 03:42:02 pm »
Hey slapdick, shut the fuck up and go bother someone else.

There's more baseball knowledge dripping off the end of Andyzipp's cock than you and all of your butt-buddies put together.

Get the fuck out of here. Nobody is interested in your stupidfuck comments, your stupidfuck opinions, or your stupidfuck friends.

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« Reply #69 on: July 14, 2009, 03:43:58 pm »
Why do we need to bring my dick into this?  It's been through enough.


Well we already discussed my dick stretching from MMPUS to Goode Company on Kirby.  It's time yours had its moment in the sun.
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Why do we need to bring my dick into this?  It's been through enough.

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Why do we need to bring my dick into this?  It's been through enough.

Well, if you'd quit sticking it in places like that, it would have less baseball knowledge dripping off it...
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« Reply #72 on: July 14, 2009, 03:48:56 pm »
Well, if you'd quit sticking it in places like that, it would have less baseball knowledge dripping off it...


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he saw it waving around, and it caught his attention.

he must have incredible eyesight.

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« Reply #74 on: July 14, 2009, 04:02:03 pm »
he must have incredible eyesight.

He knows from experience how to deal with the 2 semener seamer.
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« Reply #75 on: July 14, 2009, 04:02:36 pm »
You know, Eastland is not a half-bad town as far as desolate, West Texans towns go. It has a reasonably interesting history and some worthwhile architecture. I used to like wandering around Park Hill, too. And don't you forget about Old Rip!
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Why do we need to bring my dick into this?  It's been through enough.

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« Reply #77 on: July 14, 2009, 04:07:28 pm »
You know, Eastland is not a half-bad town as far as desolate, West Texans towns go. It has a reasonably interesting history and some worthwhile architecture. I used to like wandering around Park Hill, too. And don't you forget about Old Rip!

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« Reply #78 on: July 14, 2009, 10:54:57 pm »
so, one ball may get on you quicker than the other, irrelevant to how hard the appendage is used. 


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« Reply #79 on: July 15, 2009, 01:16:31 am »
You know, Eastland is not a half-bad town as far as desolate, West Texans towns go. It has a reasonably interesting history and some worthwhile architecture. I used to like wandering around Park Hill, too. And don't you forget about Old Rip!

Wait a second.  Eastland is in West Texas; West, Texas is on I-35 north of Waco; and Center, Texas is in the Piney Woods?

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« Reply #80 on: July 15, 2009, 07:11:30 am »
Wait a second.  Eastland is in West Texas; West, Texas is on I-35 north of Waco; and Center, Texas is in the Piney Woods?

I'm confused.



Eastland and West, Texas (the home of Scott Podsednik, not the region) are both close to Fort Worth.  If you're from Eastland, you say you're from West Texas (the region, not the home of Scott Podsednik), which is properly defined by late settlement, relationship to the 100th meridian, and Southwestern plains, not Southern, culture.  If you're from El Paso (and maybe Midland) you say that's not West Texas.  If you're from Houston, you also say that's not West Texas, but that's just cultural ignorance.

Center, Texas must be the center of Shelby County, 'cause it's sure not the center of anything else.
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« Reply #81 on: July 15, 2009, 08:17:40 am »
Eastland and West, Texas (the home of Scott Podsednik, not the region) are both close to Fort Worth.  If you're from Eastland, you say you're from West Texas (the region, not the home of Scott Podsednik), which is properly defined by late settlement, relationship to the 100th meridian, and Southwestern plains, not Southern, culture.  If you're from El Paso (and maybe Midland) you say that's not West Texas.  If you're from Houston, you also say that's not West Texas, but that's just cultural ignorance.

Center, Texas must be the center of Shelby County, 'cause it's sure not the center of anything else.


Eastland is in no way, shape or form in West Texas.  You can't be east of Abilene and claim to be in West Texas.  It just ain't possible.
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Eastland is in no way, shape or form in West Texas.  You can't be east of Abilene and claim to be in West Texas.  It just ain't possible.

See?  But I bet people from Eastland all say they're from West Texas.
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« Reply #83 on: July 15, 2009, 08:52:36 am »
See?  But I bet people from Eastland all say they're from West Texas.

They can all say they're from Mars, that doesn't make it true.  Midland is arguably the eastern edge of West Texas, and many would say it's too far east to be West Texas.
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« Reply #84 on: July 15, 2009, 09:00:41 am »

Eastland is in no way, shape or form in West Texas.  You can't be east of Abilene and claim to be in West Texas.  It just ain't possible.

Sporadic may know differently but everyone from Eastland that I ever knew thought of Eastland as West Texas. I don't believe anyone was particularly conflicted about it. Along the I-20 corridor at least I think that West Texas begins wherever Abilene has a greater magnetic pull than Fort Worth. Again, in my experience, anyone from Eastland is far more likely to go to Abilene for large city services (hospital, airport, shopping, getting their hair fixed, etc.) than Fort Worth.
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« Reply #85 on: July 15, 2009, 09:05:15 am »
Sporadic may know differently but everyone from Eastland that I ever knew thought of Eastland as West Texas. I don't believe anyone was particularly conflicted about it. Along the I-20 corridor at least I think that West Texas begins wherever Abilene has a greater magnetic pull than Fort Worth. Again, in my experience, anyone from Eastland is far more likely to go to Abilene for large city services (hospital, airport, shopping, getting their hair fixed, etc.) than Fort Worth.


Abilene is no way shape or form West Texas either.  Basically, if you're east of the Pecos River, you have a hard time calling yourself West Texas.
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« Reply #86 on: July 15, 2009, 09:15:24 am »
They can all say they're from Mars, that doesn't make it true.  Midland is arguably the eastern edge of West Texas, and many would say it's too far east to be West Texas.

The great definer of West Texas was Walter Prescott Webb.  He set the boundary at the 100th meridian, where rainfall drops to 15 inches a year or less.  Or at least it used to--now I think that's Houston.  You're making the relatively modern mistake of the physically far western part of the state:  I'm further west than you so that's West Texas, when the defining attributes are as much cultural as physical:  importance of ranch culture, late  (1870 or later) settlement, low rainfall, plains, irrigation, late Comanche exodus, and, most of all, being the western place that east and central Texans moved to.  I'd say that Midland and Odessa are probably the eastern boundaries of West Texas culture, and everything west of there is physically west, but too sparse and too Spanish to be West Texas, even though it's physically west.  West Texas is the southern part of Plains culture that includes Montana and the Dakotas, Nebraska, eastern Colorado, western Oklahoma, eastern New Mexico, and West Texas.  Which is not El Paso, which is in west Texas, but culturally El Paso.
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« Reply #87 on: July 15, 2009, 09:35:46 am »
The great definer of West Texas was Walter Prescott Webb.  He set the boundary at the 100th meridian, where rainfall drops to 15 inches a year or less.  Or at least it used to--now I think that's Houston.  You're making the relatively modern mistake of the physically far western part of the state:  I'm further west than you so that's West Texas, when the defining attributes are as much cultural as physical:  importance of ranch culture, late  (1870 or later) settlement, low rainfall, plains, irrigation, late Comanche exodus, and, most of all, being the western place that east and central Texans moved to.  I'd say that Midland and Odessa are probably the eastern boundaries of West Texas culture, and everything west of there is physically west, but too sparse and too Spanish to be West Texas, even though it's physically west.  West Texas is the southern part of Plains culture that includes Montana and the Dakotas, Nebraska, eastern Colorado, western Oklahoma, eastern New Mexico, and West Texas.  Which is not El Paso, which is in west Texas, but culturally El Paso.


I think you're making the mistake of "if it's culturally not big-city Dallas, it's 'West Texas'."  West Texas is defined by geography as well as culture.  It is generally regarded as the Trans-Pecos, the Texas portion of the Chihuahuan Desert, and is historically defined by the Pecos River to the east and the 32nd Parallel to the north.  I agree that cultural "West Texas" is not El Paso, but rather Ft. Stockton, Alpine, Pecos, Van Horn, etc.  Eastland is "West Texas" the same way Sealy is "the Hill Country".
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« Reply #88 on: July 15, 2009, 09:36:28 am »
...Which is not El Paso, which is in west Texas, but culturally El Paso.

This is true, largely because El Paso is in New Mexico. Thinking of it as a Texas city is a common misconception.
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« Reply #89 on: July 15, 2009, 09:37:45 am »
Eastland is "West Texas" the same way Sealy is "the Hill Country".

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« Reply #90 on: July 15, 2009, 09:40:36 am »
Eastland is "West Texas" the same way Sealy is "the Hill Country".

I don't know, Sealy is pretty hilly to those of us what live on the Prairie...

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It must be the ASB mini-Void.
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« Reply #92 on: July 15, 2009, 09:48:31 am »
I don't know, Sealy is pretty hilly to those of us what live on the Prairie...

Houston is hilly compared to Midland.
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« Reply #93 on: July 15, 2009, 09:48:47 am »
It must be the ASB mini-Void.

I think I owe everybody an apology for starting the thread. We need to get back to barbeque. Speaking of which, do they smoke brisket in West Texas?
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« Reply #94 on: July 15, 2009, 09:49:53 am »
I think I owe everybody an apology for starting the thread. We need to get back to barbeque. Speaking of which, do they smoke brisket in West Texas?

They do, but use mesquite, as it's the only tree you see for 200 miles at a time.  Apparently smoking with mesquite is not "real" BBQ though.
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« Reply #95 on: July 15, 2009, 09:57:29 am »

I think you're making the mistake of "if it's culturally not big-city Dallas, it's 'West Texas'."  West Texas is defined by geography as well as culture.  It is generally regarded as the Trans-Pecos, the Texas portion of the Chihuahuan Desert, and is historically defined by the Pecos River to the east and the 32nd Parallel to the north.  I agree that cultural "West Texas" is not El Paso, but rather Ft. Stockton, Alpine, Pecos, Van Horn, etc.  Eastland is "West Texas" the same way Sealy is "the Hill Country".

I've invoked Walter Prescott Webb, who was a member of Texas' almost-sacred trinity.  You're invoking yourself, and you grew up in Florida.  West Texas is defined by geography, but the geography is, more or less, the 100th meridian.  If, in 1890, you were moving from Sealy to, say, Hardeman County, you were moving to West Texas, and that's what you said.  60 years later, your grandkids said they were from West Texas, and they were.  That's why old folks in Eastland and people in Fort Stockton both say they're from West Texas. The Trans-Pecos is the Trans-Pecos, but West Texas was never defined relative to the Pecos, it was defined relative to where people were coming from, and how that culture was mandated by rainfall  (or relative lack thereof).  15 inches or less of rain annually; that's the defining characteristic.
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Re: Inanity check
« Reply #96 on: July 15, 2009, 10:02:47 am »
I think I owe everybody an apology for starting the thread. We need to get back to barbeque. Speaking of which, do they smoke brisket in West Texas?

Only if they can find big enough papers.  What I want to know is which is thrown harder, a slider or a change-up.
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Re: Inanity check
« Reply #97 on: July 15, 2009, 10:02:52 am »
I've invoked Walter Prescott Webb, who was a member of Texas' almost-sacred trinity.  You're invoking yourself, and you grew up in Florida.  West Texas is defined by geography, but the geography is, more or less, the 100th meridian.  If, in 1890, you were moving from Sealy to, say, Hardeman County, you were moving to West Texas, and that's what you said.  60 years later, your grandkids said they were from West Texas, and they were.  That's why old folks in Eastland and people in Fort Stockton both say they're from West Texas. The Trans-Pecos is the Trans-Pecos, but West Texas was never defined relative to the Pecos, it was defined relative to where people were coming from, and how that culture was mandated by rainfall  (or relative lack thereof).  15 inches or less of rain annually; that's the defining characteristic.


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Re: Inanity check
« Reply #98 on: July 15, 2009, 10:03:29 am »
Only if they can find big enough papers.  What I wan't to know is which is thrown harder, a slider or a change-up.

A 12-6 slider?
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Re: Inanity check
« Reply #99 on: July 15, 2009, 10:05:45 am »
Abilene is no way shape or form West Texas either.  Basically, if you're east of the Pecos River, you have a hard time calling yourself West Texas.

I know that the way large communities of people regard themselves is meaningless to you if it conflicts with what happen to prefer to believe, but the people who live in San Angelo think they live in West Texas.
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« Reply #100 on: July 15, 2009, 10:14:40 am »
I know that the way large communities of people regard themselves is meaningless to you if it conflicts with what happen to prefer to believe, but the people who live in San Angelo think they live in West Texas.

You're right.  I suppose folks in Anahuac can say it's West Texas, if they want.  I can't really stop them.
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« Reply #101 on: July 15, 2009, 10:20:14 am »
You're right.  I suppose folks in Anahuac can say it's West Texas, if they want.  I can't really stop them.

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Re: Inanity check
« Reply #102 on: July 15, 2009, 10:29:52 am »
but you can tell them they are wrong.

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« Reply #103 on: July 15, 2009, 10:33:32 am »

Walter Prescott Webb is a has-been. 

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Re: Inanity check
« Reply #104 on: July 15, 2009, 10:47:05 am »
A 12-6 slider?

If you throw sidearm, is a hard curve a curveball or a slider?  And is curveball one word or two?
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Re: Inanity check
« Reply #105 on: July 15, 2009, 10:53:22 am »
If you throw sidearm, is a hard curve a curveball or a slider?  And is curveball one word or two?

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« Reply #106 on: July 15, 2009, 11:08:58 am »
Did you throw it Hard or Fast?

Hard and fast, just like I like my coffee.
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Re: Inanity check
« Reply #107 on: July 15, 2009, 11:16:56 am »
Sporadic may know differently but everyone from Eastland that I ever knew thought of Eastland as West Texas. I don't believe anyone was particularly conflicted about it. Along the I-20 corridor at least I think that West Texas begins wherever Abilene has a greater magnetic pull than Fort Worth. Again, in my experience, anyone from Eastland is far more likely to go to Abilene for large city services (hospital, airport, shopping, getting their hair fixed, etc.) than Fort Worth.

Fort Worth is a long way from Eastland.  Eastland is at least 45 miles from Weatherford and Weatherford is about 30 from Fort Worth, or at least to my recollection (while Abilene is 54 miles West fo Eastland).  Anyway, no Eastland resident leaves for any kind of service.  They don't leave Eastland, period.  Kind of like "In the Mouth of Madness", only you dont have to fear for your life (unless it was possible to die of boredom).

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Re: Inanity check
« Reply #108 on: July 15, 2009, 11:19:29 am »
Fort Worth is a long way from Eastland.  Eastland is at least 45 miles from Weatherford and Weatherford is about 30 from Fort Worth, or at least to my recollection (while Abilene is 54 miles West fo Eastland).
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« Reply #109 on: July 15, 2009, 11:20:50 am »
OMG, you guys just bored me back to work.

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« Reply #110 on: July 15, 2009, 11:27:13 am »
OMG, you guys just bored me back to work.

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Re: Inanity check
« Reply #111 on: July 15, 2009, 11:44:03 am »
Fort Worth is a long way from Eastland.  Eastland is at least 45 miles from Weatherford and Weatherford is about 30 from Fort Worth, or at least to my recollection (while Abilene is 54 miles West fo Eastland).  Anyway, no Eastland resident leaves for any kind of service.  They don't leave Eastland, period.  Kind of like "In the Mouth of Madness", only you dont have to fear for your life (unless it was possible to die of boredom).

I'm in Albuquerque, which is definitely west of Texas. Although it's actually north of parts of Texas. Oddly enough, it's also south of some parts of Texas.
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« Reply #112 on: July 15, 2009, 12:11:11 pm »
Fort Worth is a long way from Eastland.  Eastland is at least 45 miles from Weatherford and Weatherford is about 30 from Fort Worth, or at least to my recollection (while Abilene is 54 miles West fo Eastland).  Anyway, no Eastland resident leaves for any kind of service.  They don't leave Eastland, period.  Kind of like "In the Mouth of Madness", only you dont have to fear for your life (unless it was possible to die of boredom).

You know, it's funny. My grandmother was of the generation who thought nothing of long drives for little reason. She'd wheel her 1967 Chevrolet Bel Air up to Breckenridge for supper. Her best friend lived in Ballinger and she was forever driving down there to visit. Tool over to Abilene to eat at Mack Eplen's. Me, I spend a good bit of the year in what is apparently the third largest city in the country and I go days without leaving my apartment.
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« Reply #113 on: July 15, 2009, 01:53:42 pm »
If you throw sidearm, is a hard curve a curveball or a slider?  And is curveball one word or two?

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« Reply #114 on: July 15, 2009, 01:59:02 pm »
A curveball is a ball that cuuuuurves.

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« Reply #115 on: July 15, 2009, 03:16:06 pm »
OMG, you guys just bored me back to work.

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