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Yes!

Wandy, Roy, Hampton, Paulino & Bazardo would be interesting. Another option would be Moehler instead of Hampton, but I doubt Hampton could/would move to the pen.

MusicMan · « **Reply #9 on:** June 01, 2009, 11:12:55 am »

Continuing to throw Moehler every fifth day is clinging blindly to the thought that this team can somehow compete this year.

Andyzipp · « **Reply #10 on:** June 01, 2009, 11:13:43 am »

Quote from: VirtualBob on June 01, 2009, 10:55:08 am

Yes!

Wandy, Roy, Hampton, Paulino & Bazardo would be interesting. Another option would be Moehler instead of Hampton, but I doubt Hampton could/would move to the pen.

I'm just ready for change. I know the Astros are going to get close to .500 somehow and there's going to be the idea that they're righting the ship.

Hold on to Pence and Wandy (unless a GREAT deal comes along) and know you're not going to be able to move Lee or Oswalt and that there's a desire for Berkman to retire as an Astro.

No one else couldn't be moved. I'd like to hold on to Keppinger, but whatever.

I'm just ready for youth, for a team playing with energy. Someone said that 1991 was a long season recently. Even with 65-97, 1991 was one of my FAVORITE seasons, because you could see the talent, and got to watch them grow and put things together.

The odds of putting a team on the field like that with Bagwell, Biggio, Caminiti, Luis Gonzalez, Steve Finley, Darryl Kile, Curt Schilling, Tony Eusebio in his 10th season, are slim. But the team has to try.

Could you assemble a major league quality team with what's in the Astros Organization right now? 20-28 says you can't. But with a couple of moves and some luck...well I'd like to watch them try.

Mike S. · « **Reply #11 on:** June 01, 2009, 12:00:11 pm »

The only positive I can take from this poor start is the belief, perhaps an erroneous one, that the team will be forced to blow this thing up and start over. It's a move long overdue, in my opinion.

Reuben · « **Reply #12 on:** June 01, 2009, 12:43:38 pm »

Quote from: Mike S. on June 01, 2009, 12:00:11 pm

The only positive I can take from this poor start is the belief, perhaps an erroneous one, that the team will be forced to blow this thing up and start over. It's a move long overdue, in my opinion.

But it seemed that way last year, and is anything really so different this year that they wouldn't approach things the exact same way? Maybe the recession will factor into things, but who knows. Despite the whispers of Tejada, Valverde, Oswalt, etc. I have a hard time believing the team will really sell off anybody.

Astroholic · « **Reply #13 on:** June 01, 2009, 01:17:54 pm »

Quote from: Reuben on June 01, 2009, 12:43:38 pm

But it seemed that way last year, and is anything really so different this year that they wouldn't approach things the exact same way? Maybe the recession will factor into things, but who knows. Despite the whispers of Tejada, Valverde, Oswalt, etc. I have a hard time believing the team will really sell off anybody.

If they don't blow it up, this team will continue to be slightly better than medeorka (I know). I would hope/am hoping for much better than that in a few years. (Kinda like the Florida teams.)

Reuben · « **Reply #14 on:** June 01, 2009, 01:54:07 pm »

Quote from: Astroholic on June 01, 2009, 01:17:54 pm

If they don't blow it up, this team will continue to be slightly better than medeorka (I know). I would hope/am hoping for much better than that in a few years. (Kinda like the Florida teams.)

Hey, you don't have to convince me. You have to convince the Astros front office, and I just don't see what would compel them to make a different decision than they did last year, or the year before (memory gets a bit fuzzy there as far as who they could have/did trade off, but anyway...).

Mike S. · « **Reply #15 on:** June 01, 2009, 01:57:11 pm »

Quote from: Reuben on June 01, 2009, 12:43:38 pm

But it seemed that way last year, and is anything really so different this year that they wouldn't approach things the exact same way? Maybe the recession will factor into things, but who knows. Despite the whispers of Tejada, Valverde, Oswalt, etc. I have a hard time believing the team will really sell off anybody.

I honestly have no idea whether the team will trade any of its veteran players. If the team continues to struggle going into the All Star Break, I would hope the powers that be will bring up younger guys like Bazardo and James, while trading the older guys who are going to bring back something valuable in return. If the Astros do turn this season around with the current roster, I hope that success won't delay the inevitable and the team would address the aging roster in the offseason.

Jacksonian · « **Reply #16 on:** June 01, 2009, 02:00:39 pm »

Quote from: Andyzipp on June 01, 2009, 11:13:43 am

I'm just ready for change. I know the Astros are going to get close to .500 somehow and there's going to be the idea that they're righting the ship.

Hold on to Pence and Wandy (unless a GREAT deal comes along) and know you're not going to be able to move Lee or Oswalt and that there's a desire for Berkman to retire as an Astro.

No one else couldn't be moved. I'd like to hold on to Keppinger, but whatever.

I'm just ready for youth, for a team playing with energy. Someone said that 1991 was a long season recently. Even with 65-97, 1991 was one of my FAVORITE seasons, because you could see the talent, and got to watch them grow and put things together.

The odds of putting a team on the field like that with Bagwell, Biggio, Caminiti, Luis Gonzalez, Steve Finley, Darryl Kile, Curt Schilling, Tony Eusebio in his 10th season, are slim. But the team has to try.

Could you assemble a major league quality team with what's in the Astros Organization right now? 20-28 says you can't. But with a couple of moves and some luck...well I'd like to watch them try.

A challenge.

I'd add that Matsui couldn't be moved. Moving guys I think could be dealt or released, here's what I get:

Quintero
Towles
I've dealt Pudge.

Berkman
Matsui
Keppenger
Manzella
Johnson
Maysonet
From the infield I've dealt Blum and Tejada.

Lee
Bourn
Pence
YRam
Abercrombie (I leave off Bogusevic because I don't think he'd be a better 4th or 5th outfielder than YRam and Abercrombie.)
From the outfield I've dealt Erstad.

Oswalt
Wandy
Paulino
Bazardo
Norris or Trinidad if you go with Norris as the late inning reliever
Sampson
Arias
Fulchino
Wright
Byrdak
Muecke
Paronto/pick em or Norris
I've dealt Hawkins and Valverde.

Dealing some of the established major leaguers and releasing several more that's what I come up with.

I think in the field my team is faster overall but lacking in experience.
Pitchers have less experience but I don't see a drop off in the rotation. Bullpen is where I'm weakest I think.

BudGirl · « **Reply #17 on:** June 01, 2009, 02:10:39 pm »

Quote from: Jacksonian on June 01, 2009, 02:00:39 pm

A challenge.

I'd add that Matsui couldn't be moved. Moving guys I think could be dealt or released, here's what I get:

Quintero
Towles
I've dealt Pudge.

Berkman
Matsui
Keppenger
Manzella
Johnson
Maysonet
From the infield I've dealt Blum and Tejada.

Lee
Bourn
Pence
YRam
Abercrombie (I leave off Bogusevic because I don't think he'd be a better 4th or 5th outfielder than YRam and Abercrombie.)
From the outfield I've dealt Erstad.

Oswalt
Wandy
Paulino
Bazardo
Norris or Trinidad if you go with Norris as the late inning reliever
Sampson
Arias
Fulchino
Wright
Byrdak
Muecke
Paronto/pick em or Norris
I've dealt Hawkins and Valverde.

Dealing some of the established major leaguers and releasing several more that's what I come up with.

I think in the field my team is faster overall but lacking in experience.
Pitchers have less experience but I don't see a drop off in the rotation. Bullpen is where I'm weakest I think.

what happened to Hampton? DL, trade, or release?

Jacksonian · « **Reply #18 on:** June 01, 2009, 02:23:26 pm »

Quote from: BudGirl on June 01, 2009, 02:10:39 pm

what happened to Hampton? DL, trade, or release?

Does it really matter?

I don't know if he's a tradeable commodity, honestly. By himself you won't get much. Tied to another player in trade he might help fetch some prospect if there's any team that wants him.

Mike S. · « **Reply #19 on:** June 01, 2009, 02:32:00 pm »

Is Oswalt still on your roster because of his no-trade clause? because you think the Astros honestly wouldn't move him? Just curious.

Andyzipp · « **Reply #20 on:** June 01, 2009, 02:44:59 pm »

Quote from: Mike S. on June 01, 2009, 02:32:00 pm

Is Oswalt still on your roster because of his no-trade clause? because you think the Astros honestly wouldn't move him? Just curious.

I think it's not realistic to expect Oswalt, Lee or Berkman to get moved. All 3 have to agree to a trade. 2 are "career Astros". It would be difficult to deal Berkman and Lee based on contract/position.

otterjb · « **Reply #21 on:** June 05, 2009, 07:20:38 pm »

Quote from: Andyzipp on June 01, 2009, 11:13:43 am

I'm just ready for youth, for a team playing with energy. Someone said that 1991 was a long season recently. Even with 65-97, 1991 was one of my FAVORITE seasons, because you could see the talent, and got to watch them grow and put things together.

I agree. I just hope that the front office changes course semi-soon, instead of turning into a permanent version of the Baltimore Orioles.

Noe · « **Reply #22 on:** June 06, 2009, 12:16:33 pm »

Quote from: otterjb on June 05, 2009, 07:20:38 pm

I agree. I just hope that the front office changes course semi-soon, instead of turning into a permanent version of the Baltimore Orioles.

Reading Justice the other day and some of the revelations therein about McLane, then the very idea that Ed Wade is working hard to change the mindset of the boss is very previlent and a good thing. Wonders never cease, but this one was unexpected.

otterjb · « **Reply #23 on:** June 07, 2009, 12:13:35 pm »

Quote from: Noe in Austin on June 06, 2009, 12:16:33 pm

Reading Justice the other day and some of the revelations therein about McLane, then the very idea that Ed Wade is working hard to change the mindset of the boss is very previlent and a good thing. Wonders never cease, but this one was unexpected.

Good news, thanks.

matadorph · « **Reply #24 on:** June 07, 2009, 01:56:22 pm »

Well, Paulino just left today's game with an injury in the second inning. Bazardo's next chance at the Bigs might be forthcoming.

austro · « **Reply #25 on:** June 07, 2009, 02:49:34 pm »

Except that Geary and Valverde are coming back soon, and they're going to have to figure out what to do about that. I wouldn't be surprised if they held on to Ortiz and let him have Paulino's starts if that's necessary.

Astroholic · « **Reply #26 on:** June 08, 2009, 09:06:12 am »

Quote from: austro on June 07, 2009, 02:49:34 pm

Except that Geary and Valverde are coming back soon, and they're going to have to figure out what to do about that. I wouldn't be surprised if they held on to Ortiz and let him have Paulino's starts if that's necessary.

Backe has to be on the short list, right?

austro · « **Reply #27 on:** June 08, 2009, 09:47:09 am »

Quote from: Astroholic on June 08, 2009, 09:06:12 am

Backe has to be on the short list, right?

I don't know. They seem quite attached to Backe for some reason. I could see them sending Fulchino back down when Geary comes back. If Paulino goes on the DL and Fulchino goes back to RR, that gives them the slots they need and allows them to delay a decision until Paulino gets healthy. Ortiz or Backe takes Paulino's starts, and the other takes the long relief role. If Paulino doesn't go on the DL, it seems like somebody has to go.