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Fixing Roy Oswalt?
« on: May 17, 2009, 10:54:13 am »
Much has been said around here about the Oswalt Inning and it's very true.  Yesterday, in the post-game analysis, I heard Jimmy D say that pretty much this season, Oswalt has been hurt by the one inning in his outings where nothing goes right.  Looks like many others are starting to notice what has been apparent here for a while.

So is Oswalt now prone to being a so-so starter in this league because his talent is not what it once was?

That's a loaded question and truth be told, it is about many facets coming together for Oswalt that is cause for what we see now in his game as opposed to what was once when the kid made his splash into the MLB.  What we'll talk about is approach, then stuff, then adjustments and see if we can shed a little light into Roy Oswalt's game and perhaps find a light at the end of the tunnel, at least in terms of the Oswalt Inning.  Take away the OI and you probably still have a premiere pitcher on your hands.  But is it clear cut that the OI can be taken away?  What is to say that not only are we looking at a pattern of more and more OI's, but the beginning of a once premiere pitcher becoming average?  Let's take a look.

Approach

Far too often we've heard that what makes Roy Oswalt successful is his aggressive approach to pitching.  He does not back down to anyone and will go right after a hitter.  At no time was it more apparent than the day Oswalt was asked to rescue the Houston Astros from a disaster of a game five in the NLCS and go and pitch the game of his life in St. Louis.  Oswalt used a four seamer that was unhittable along with a bulldog tenacity on each and every Co-ard hitter.  Pujols, dead man.  Edmonds, dead man.  All were in Oswalt's radar that day and he went right after them.  His four seamer was hitting pretty much 96 on the gun and that made his off-speed stuff and his sinker that much more effective.  All the St. Louis hitters were hitting from the back of their heels so it was pretty much game over in game six and thus the Astros went on to appear in the first World Series in the team's history.  Oh, and Oswalt got a tractor out of the deal too.  There is no denying that Oswalt has this approach well in place when it comes to being a winning pitcher.  It's kill or be killed for Oswalt.

Stuff

For much of the time that I saw Oswalt pitch in AA, AAA and in the majors, his well located fastball was the key to his arsenal of stuff.  At the crux of his stuff was the four seamer, often used to strikeout a hitter.  In AA, he was taught the sinker so he can be an economy pitcher and last a little longer in his career.  Whispers of his smallish size made the idea of learning a sinker and shelving the four seamer or using is sparringly a good thing for all concerned.  So Oswalt went from pitching off his four seamer to pitching off his sinker inside and outside.  If his two seam sinker is working and hitting the black, Oswalt would get more groundball outs and enjoy an easier time out on the hill.  Lastly, it was his curveball that made his young career something to talk about because if you take a guy who can throw a four seamer at 96 consistently and then mix in a curveball that drops all the way down to 80 mph, that is a wicked 1-2 punch in your arsenal.  Thus all the strikeouts.  A sinker, however, is usually hitting 92-93 and requires location.  While the idea is still the same, it does require the pitcher to have a little more accuracy and have more control of the strikezone.  In essence, the difference is being a "pitcher" instead of a "thrower".  So Oswalt started to adjust his arsenal to include a slider that stays true in the strikezone and a changeup that he never really mastered.  Some were of the opinion that his curveball came out of his hand like a changeup any way, meaning he had the same arm action of a fastball that this is what made the curveball work as a changeup for Roy and not so much that it was a good curveball.  So now, when you think of Roy Oswalt, you think of sinker/slider pitcher in the strikezone (sinker being an inside and outside the black pitch) and a curveball that is supposed to act like a changeup to fool the hitter into swinging.  The four seamer, the once epicenter of his arsenal is almost non-existent, to my knowledge making rare appearances here and there but never really being the focus of his game since that game six in the 2005 NLCS.

Adjustments

Seems odd to have to talk about adjustments instead of execution when it comes to Roy Oswalt.  I'm the first to admit that I didn't think we'd have this sort of conversation about the guy.  Something Coach said earlier in response to the whispers that were reported about Roy Oswalt no longer being regarded as a premiere pitcher in the NL (as was said to a National Reporter - Jason Stark - by a NL GM).  Coach said he felt the same way about Oswalt.  I've been watching a few more of his starts, as sporadic as they've come due to weather and Cooper's handling of pitchers and want to present what I believe is the adjustments Roy must make.  There, I've said it, in order to be the premiere pitcher on this team (and I believe he still can be), Roy must adjust his game a little more. 

So where does the adjustment start?

Approach

Okay, so we're back here and not at learning a new pitch, throwing underhand or side arm or even sacrificing more to Jobu or Scott Baio.  Simply put, I believe that the Oswalt Inning is an indicator to Roy and everyone else that his stuff is good enough to be an elite pitcher, but he must act and approach the game as a pitcher and not a hurler.  His bulldog act was great when the four seamer was on and also on occasion he could use the four seamer right around the chin of a hitter or two, just to keep them uncomfortable.  If you notice the game that Grienke in Kansas City is employing now, it is the four seamer as the focus, occasionally throwing hard up and in to keep hitters from digging in and then throwing some wicked offspeed stuff, like a little looping curveball or slider that never really reaches homeplate.  That was Oswalt at one time and the mentality that one must have to pitch that way is to go after hitters.  So why can't Oswalt do that any more or at minimum pick and choose when he'll do that?  Because he has not shown the ability to hit the radar gun at 96 consistently any more.  Guys who hit the gun at 92 consistently have to be "pitchers" and the ones that do, are exceptional and make a great Hall of Fame career out of it.  Oswalt needs to embrace a new approach to his game rather than think all he needs to do is go right after hitter after hitter and think what worked before will work again.  Hitters are spitting on his off-speed stuff because most of them know now it's not a strike.  So if all they're looking for in any given situation is a fastball, either inside or outside, they're going to hit it.  And thus how Oswalt Innings occur, hitters knowing that they will rely on Oswalt to use his bulldog approach in a tight situation and that means I'm going to see fastballs.  So they're ready.

If Oswalt would work on his approach to pitching more, he can become a great pitcher in this league again.  What does he need to do to change?  For one thing, he needs to stop being stubborn and for another perhaps reach out to a catcher or two, maybe even a former teammate like Brad Ausmus who can teach him a little bit about being a pitcher.  It is said that Drinking Dave Duncan can take any pitcher who can consistently throw 92 mph and make him into a better pitcher by teaching him situations and how to setup the hitter.  That and center the focus of his arsenal around a sinker.  Oswalt needs that to regain his status and be a pitcher who has less and less Oswalt Innings.

If not, then surely what Roy said was true... he doesn't believe he'll stick around baseball beyond this contract and that means much like Hunter Pence is a maturing out of a grip it and rip it hitter, Oswalt won't mature out of a "here it is, try and hit it" hurler.

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Re: Fixing Roy Oswalt?
« Reply #1 on: May 17, 2009, 11:07:09 am »
Sounds like you're pretty dead on in your assessments. Yesterday, after the two he served up in the Frail Frame, it looked like he got mad and threw a succession of four-seamers to the next batter (Theriot?) that all were around 94-96. Not sure he can do that for a whole game though, or even most of it and that was the key to the Daring Roy.

I remember reading that he'd lost command of his curve but even with reduced velocity if he can go FB/sinker/curve he can still be an elite pitcher, just one that challenges hitters in a different way.
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« Reply #2 on: May 17, 2009, 11:33:59 am »
Great read, Noe

How much has he been using the sinker recently?
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« Reply #3 on: May 17, 2009, 11:46:24 am »
is there a CliffsNotes version?

i have not tried to analyze him, but it seems to me from watching the games that his "stuff" is not as good, his FB is straight and slower, he loses focus, and his slow curve arm speed is slower making the pitch less deceptive.
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« Reply #4 on: May 17, 2009, 12:09:26 pm »
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« Reply #5 on: May 17, 2009, 12:24:31 pm »
Noe, how come Noe doesn't have his own vanity column on the ezine?

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« Reply #6 on: May 18, 2009, 11:24:09 pm »
Great read, Noe

How much has he been using the sinker recently?

Thanks.

From my view, he's using the sinker exclusively as his fastball and on occasion (as noticed by Rob Brand), he'll trot out the four seamer.  Guys who throw a four seamer will burn out quicker because power pitchers don't usually last long.  I think it's a good move for Oswalt to go with a 91-92 mph sinker, spotting inside and outside the black.  The key is to use the pitch wisely, namely he'll have to set up a hitter properly to use a sinker.  From my view, at times Oswalt just falls in love with the idea of challenging every hitter way too much.  When he's on, in terms of hitting the black and getting the call from umpires and also his off-speed/breaking ball is working (namely he can get strikes called or swinging strikes from those pitches), then he's still a premiere.

It's when he gets into a tight situation that the other team knows that Oswalt is going to challenge you with fastballs and they're ready for him.  Unless he has a pitchers mentality and does more than just throw hard and challenge a hitter, then he's going to lose his fair share of those situations (see: Inning, Oswalt).  I would like to see Roy develop a strategy to "pitch" his way out of situations more than just throw hard and keep challenging hitters.  How that is going to happen is up to Roy and his catcher.  I do think he needs a true changeup and not just a curveball that acts like a changeup.  His curveball is coming out of his hand in a recognizable way, thus hitters know to spit on it (because he doesn't necessarily throw that pitch for strikes... he's lost a bit of the control of that pitch).  Can Oswalt develop a changeup?  I dunno, I hope so.  He's developed a tight slider that he's using right now, so a good changeup will take a little more time.  This I know though, he needs one if he's going to "pitch" his way out of tight situations.  That would then make his sinker at the knees a very effective pitch because if you don't know if you're getting a sinker or a changeup, you'll have to stay back a little bit and that is when you'll never square up a fastball that is as good as Oswalt's.
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« Reply #7 on: May 18, 2009, 11:25:40 pm »
Noe, how come Noe doesn't have his own vanity column on the ezine?

I've actually thought about it, just to keep from boring everyone on the forums.  Hehe.  But I have no idea what to call it other than "If You Ask Me..." or something like that.

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« Reply #8 on: May 18, 2009, 11:34:43 pm »
is there a CliffsNotes version?

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i have not tried to analyze him, but it seems to me from watching the games that his "stuff" is not as good, his FB is straight and slower, he loses focus, and his slow curve arm speed is slower making the pitch less deceptive.

Agreed.  He used to throw a two seamer with late movement at the knees at around 94 mph consistently and a very good riser at 96 mph (that he can trot out on occasions).  Now he throws a true (straight) 91-92 mph sinker at the knees.  It sometimes catches way to much of the plate and it doesn't bite like a sinker should.  When you see Oswalt getting a lot of groundballs, you know his sinker is working that day.  91-92 isn't slow by any means, but a good major league hitter knows what to do with a fastball that is coming in at 92 mph.  Such a fastball needs to be setup to be effective.  I think the lack of a true changeup by Oswalt is why the fastball isn't as effective as his one time two seamer that had late movement.  He can get away with a 92 mph fastball, if the hitter has to protect against a changeup.

Hoffman, the king of the changeup, along with Maddux, never featured a power fastball.  Maddux used to throw in the 92mph when he was young, but he started to throw more in line with a 90-91 mph fastball on good days.  It was Maddux throwing a circle change that made his fastball a killer pitch though because you'd swear he was throwing the change up and he'd sneak that fastball right at the knees on you and you were dead meat.  Same with Hoffman.

In my mind, the curveball that everyone is waiting for from Oswalt isn't the pitch that he should try to reconcile as much as develop a good change up instead.  His mentality of just challenging every hitter in tough situations isn't getting it done any more.  In many way, we're lucky Oswalt doesn't have multiple Oswalt Innings in his games.
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I've actually thought about it, just to keep from boring everyone on the forums.  Hehe.  But I have no idea what to call it other than "If You Ask Me..." or something like that.

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« Reply #10 on: May 19, 2009, 07:17:46 am »
is there a CliffsNotes version?

This is the CliffNotes version.

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Ask Noe:  Weekly Q&A on questions submitted by PM (with the worst of the lot being highlighted for ridicule).

I'll submit the first question for ridicule: What makes a player more suitable for right field than left fieild, and visa-versa.

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I thought about a "Mailbag" feature for our site, but not for me.  I think it would be a great feature, we just need the right personality and intellect to handle the sublime to the ridiculous much better than I.  I'll explore it more with a person I have in mind and of course with Zipp if he thinks it would be a good idea.

I'm thinking I should just go ahead and create a space for my stream of conscious on the home site.  I may just port over this entry as my first entry for the site and go from there.

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« Reply #14 on: May 19, 2009, 01:07:59 pm »
Raups Rip Clarks, a cutting edge new blog where Mark and the Coach take turns verbally butchering any and all newcomers to the TZ!

I was thinking of a tag team approach to "Mailbag" with the proverbial "ask the Raups" entries in terms of coaches tips and of course perspectives from Mark.  Example:

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I was thinking of a tag team approach to "Mailbag" with the proverbial "ask the Raups" entries in terms of coaches tips and of course perspectives from Mark.  Example:

Hey Raups.... do u think Pence is the bomb?  Thanks for taking my question, I'll hang up and listen...

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Can I get 7 F-bombs per mailbag?

You get one per question.  It's only fair, given that Coach will have WFW in each response.
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« Reply #17 on: May 19, 2009, 01:09:51 pm »
I was thinking of a tag team approach to "Mailbag" with the proverbial "ask the Raups" entries in terms of coaches tips and of course perspectives from Mark.  Example:

Hey Raups.... do u think Pence is the bomb?  Thanks for taking my question, I'll hang up and listen...

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The questions should always be the dippy radio call in show kind.

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Could be the return of Earl Weaver's response to Rosemary in Maryland as to what Weaver thought about planting tomatoes in the winter.

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are you guys serious about this? unleash the Raups on unsuspecting callers? do i still get to write the occasional Dugout?
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are you guys serious about this? unleash the Raups on unsuspecting callers? do i still get to write the occasional Dugout?

Yes and Yes.  Time to talk contract with the Raups.  Let's go to the pig to negotiate.

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Yes and Yes.  Time to talk contract with the Raups.  Let's go to the pig to negotiate.

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are you guys serious about this? unleash the Raups on unsuspecting callers? do i still get to write the occasional Dugout?

I don't think we could use live bait, errr people. (Fish and Wildlife probably have rules)  We'd cull some dumbass questions we've heard or read and feed them, uh, pose them to you twos. 

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I don't think we could use live bait, errr people. (Fish and Wildlife probably have rules)  We'd cull some dumbass questions we've heard or read and feed them, uh, pose them to you twos. 

if there is gross misspelling, i think we can figure out where the question originated.
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What does JackAstro have to do with any of this?

He won't get a column, but a spot for editorial cartoons would rock.
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If anyone gets free reign to offer thoughts, opinions an arugments without having to defend them, it should be me. 

You already do.
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You already do.

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SHUT UPPA YO FACE!

Man, he's just talking 'bout Coop.  Can you dig it?
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Nah, I don't always get the last word.  I want to be able to cut people off mid sentence.

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Have you noticed with a Column, no one is allowed to reply?  It's allsome.

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Allowed to is not the same as cares to.

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Allow me to pretend that I add something of value to the site.  Please.

I was talking about his "Allsomeness"

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« Reply #34 on: May 19, 2009, 02:35:49 pm »
I may break "radio silence" with my vanity column.  It may be fun to get someone to tell me to shut up already!

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« Reply #35 on: May 19, 2009, 04:19:09 pm »
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Isn't this pretty much what happens in every thread already?  I would kind of miss that if it were all relegated to a column.
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Isn't this pretty much what happens in every thread already?  I would kind of miss that if it were all relegated to a column.

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« Reply #37 on: May 19, 2009, 05:21:18 pm »
Perhaps I should demand my own vanity column.  Something like..."You Know What Chaps My Ass..."
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« Reply #38 on: May 19, 2009, 05:22:28 pm »
Perhaps I should demand my own vanity column.  Something like..."You Know What Chaps My Ass..."

I wouldn't read it just on the general principle that I might accidentally visualize your ass, chapped or not... and I just did. If anyone needs me, I can reached shortly at the bottom of the nearest tall building.
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« Reply #39 on: May 19, 2009, 05:22:35 pm »
Perhaps I should demand my own vanity column.  Something like..."You Know What Chaps My Ass..."

This better not be another dream about Limey.
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Re: Fixing Roy Oswalt?
« Reply #40 on: May 19, 2009, 08:02:21 pm »
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THIS is a column that is long overdue. It would be a can't miss!
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« Reply #41 on: May 19, 2009, 10:42:56 pm »
I think an HH column and a Raup column would both be pretty entertaining.
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« Reply #42 on: May 20, 2009, 09:03:36 am »
I think an HH column and a Raup column would both be pretty entertaining.
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« Reply #43 on: May 20, 2009, 09:15:14 am »
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« Reply #44 on: May 20, 2009, 09:21:34 am »
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« Reply #45 on: May 20, 2009, 09:46:50 am »
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« Reply #46 on: May 20, 2009, 09:54:29 am »
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« Reply #47 on: May 20, 2009, 09:57:34 am »
Rip Raup, it's funny at first, but gets less funny every time you say it.

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« Reply #48 on: May 20, 2009, 10:09:49 am »
Rip Raup, it's funny at first, but gets less funny every time you say it.

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