Tatoos

[strosrays]

Standing in line at the post office this morning, and for the umpteenth time I am surreptitiously ogling some very attractive woman, who suddenly shifts her stance a bit (she was standing in line, too) and reveals to me a small tatoo of something or other on her left ankle.  Damn.  The thrill was gone.

I am not much of a traditionalist usually; but I don't like tatoos, especially on women.  They do the opposite of do it for me.  Whenever I see an otherwise attractive woman with a tatoo, my immediate visceral reaction is, "Aw, too bad."

Don't get me wrong.  I don't feel real strongly about it, and this is more of a whimsical question.  I mean, I wouldn't let a small, relatively tastefull tatoo or three come between me and earthly bliss, hypothetically; but in the back of my mind, I'd always be wondering why.  Why take something beautiful and mutilate it?

Tatoos (and piercings) are a form of self-mutilation.  That is not a value judgement; by definition that is what intentionally scarring or poking holes in one's skin is.  What I think about it doesn't matter, either.  It is just a matter of personal taste.  But I was raised, and not all that long ago, in a culture where tatoos were for sailors and biker gangs, and the creepy guys who worked the rides at the state fair.  When did they became de rigeur for suburban housewives?

It reminds me of the word "closure."  A word that basically doesn't mean anything, and it irritates me -- no matter, that.  But it seemed like all of the sudden 10-12 years ago everyone started using "closure", in all sorts of contexts.  What the hell?  I didn't get that memo either, I guess.

[JimR]

i'm with you re tatoos. ugh.

[BudGirl]

Guess I won't be showing you mine anytime soon.

[Bench]

Tatoos are something that I've forced myself to accept.  I don't really mind ones on the ankle, or shoulder blade - and quite frankly a bad-ass colorful dragon that covered a girl's entire shoulder and upper arm once led to one of the wildest nights of my life - but the "tramp stamp" middle of the lower back tatoos make me gag.  I've never seen one that looked remotely cool, much less attractive. 

[austro]

I always wondered what happens when the living-canvas types eventually get a real job. Some of the artwork I've seen isn't exactly going to be covered up by a shirt and tie.

[BudGirl]

artwork

I think this thought is what changed the "de rigeur for suburban housewives."

[hostros7]

Tatoos are something that I've forced myself to accept.  I don't really mind ones on the ankle, or shoulder blade - and quite frankly a bad-ass colorful dragon that covered a girl's entire shoulder and upper arm once led to one of the wildest nights of my life - but the "tramp stamp" middle of the lower back tatoos make me gag.  I've never seen one that looked remotely cool, much less attractive. 

Agree with this.  I can find certain tattoos on the right girl sexy but more reserved for the wild night type girl, probably not a call you in the morning type, and not you're coming home for mom type.  Can't find a good pic, but Maggie Gyllenhaal in "Stranger than Fiction" has one I can appreciate.  http://www.hippopress.com/061116/FILM_StrangerThanFiciton.jpg

[Duke]

Standing in line at the post office this morning, and for the umpteenth time I am surreptitiously ogling some very attractive woman, who suddenly shifts her stance a bit (she was standing in line, too) and reveals to me a small tatoo of something or other on her left ankle.  Damn.  The thrill was gone.

I am not much of a traditionalist usually; but I don't like tatoos, especially on women.  They do the opposite of do it for me.  Whenever I see an otherwise attractive woman with a tatoo, my immediate visceral reaction is, "Aw, too bad."

So you don't like women with pierced ears either?

[subnuclear]

I had a co-worker who had a tattoo of his recently divorced wife's name removed from his forearm.     I wish I had a picture of the scar tissue that is his inner arm as a warning to others to consider your skin decoration carefully.  

[Lurch]

I always wondered what happens when the living-canvas types eventually get a real job. Some of the artwork I've seen isn't exactly going to be covered up by a shirt and tie.

Exactly.  In those cases it tells me that person clearly had no vision about their future.  I especially appreciate seeing the (I think) gang tatoo on the hand between the thumb and forefinger where it is impossible not to notice when shaking hands with an applicant or vendor... Thanks for the heads up, dumbass!

[BudGirl]

a couple weeks ago at the dodgers game, the guy in front of us had void tatooed over a woman's name.  i think that was pretty clever.

[MusicMan]

Tatoos are something that I've forced myself to accept.  I don't really mind ones on the ankle, or shoulder blade - and quite frankly a bad-ass colorful dragon that covered a girl's entire shoulder and upper arm once led to one of the wildest nights of my life - but the "tramp stamp" middle of the lower back tatoos make me gag.  I've never seen one that looked remotely cool, much less attractive. 

There's a way to correct that.

[JackAstro]

I think my wife's tattoos are extremely attractive on her. That may just be me, but that's handy, since I'm married to her and all. "Mutilation" is not a word that comes to mind when I stare at them, nor is it an inarguable definition.

[austro]

I think my wife's tattoos are extremely attractive on her. That may just be me, but that's handy, since I'm married to her and all. "Mutilation" is not a word that comes to mind when I stare at them, nor is it an inarguable definition.

I'd ask for photo proof, but I could never be sure that it wasn't just Photoshopped.

[Matt]

The right tattoo on the right spot on a woman is very attractive to me.  I have a good amount of tattoos myself so maybe that's just what I'm drawn to naturally. All of mine however are not visible within corporate dress.  I will not get anything on my neck or hands.

[MusicMan]

The right tattoo on the right spot on a woman is very attractive to me.  I have a good amount of tattoos myself so maybe that's just what I'm drawn to naturally. All of mine however are not visible within corporate dress.  I will not get anything on my neck or hands.

The number of women I know who have neck tattoos that are supposedly "covered" by long hair is surprisingly high.

[JackAstro]

I'd ask for photo proof, but I could never be sure that it wasn't just Photoshopped.

I'd be much more likely to hand you the results of a Google image search of some random woman. I may not be an especially smart man, but even I have sense enough to not post pictures of my wife to the internets for review. I kind of like being married, so I'm working towards not ending it.

[jonbloozy]

I had a co-worker who had a tattoo of his recently divorced wife's name removed from his forearm.     I wish I had a picture of the scar tissue that is his inner arm as a warning to others to consider your skin decoration carefully.  

I met a guy years ago who used to be married to one of the Victoria's Secret girls.  So he had her face tattooed on his arm.  Then they got divorced.  Then he got saved.  Now, he has a tattoo of Jesus, but with the most effeminate nose you've ever seen.

[subnuclear]

I met a guy years ago who used to be married to one of the Victoria's Secret girls.  So he had her face tattooed on his arm.  Then they got divorced.  Then he got saved.  Now, he has a tattoo of Jesus, but with the most effeminate nose you've ever seen.

I had friend who went through a religious phase in high school and had a tattoo of a Jesus.   In college, he told people it was "Jim Morrison." 

[JimR]

I met a guy years ago who used to be married to one of the Victoria's Secret girls.  So he had her face tattooed on his arm.  Then they got divorced.  Then he got saved.  Now, he has a tattoo of Jesus, but with the most effeminate nose you've ever seen.

and a very lacy robe

[jonbloozy]

The best advice I've ever received on tattoos: decide exactly what you want, then wait a year before you get it.  If you can't wait that long or you do and realize you changed your mind, tattoos aren't for you.  If you walk in a shop and pick something off the wall, you will probably be dissapointed.  Get something original and don't get one for other people.

I have a good amount of work on my arms, but you can't tell at work.  My wife sometimes comments on how she forgets I have them.  I designed everything myself (with some help from a real artist) and it all means something to me.  Given the chance, I'd get them all over again.

That being said, I have strong feelings about tattoos on women.  Usually, less is best.  Most tattoos (on guys too) make you look more trashy than classy.  But I do appreciate originality and think the right tattoos on the right females can increase their sex appeal.  Just most don't.

[Ron Brand]

I thought I was the only guy who hated tattoos on women. I don't think I'd call it 'mutilation' but it is closer to desecration for me. There's nothing better than a woman's body...not even a walk-off grand slam in Game 7.  I just don't get it, and I don't get the piercing thing either. I am consistent though, because I'm not a big fan of pierced ears or even makeup.

Damn kids! Get off my lawn!

[MRaup]

Damn kids! Get off my lawn!

Allow me to direct you back to where this SHOULD be...

[Astroholic]

I thought I was the only guy who hated tattoos on women. I don't think I'd call it 'mutilation' but it is closer to desecration for me. There's nothing better than a woman's body...not even a walk-off grand slam in Game 7.  I just don't get it, and I don't get the piercing thing either. I am consistent though, because I'm not a big fan of pierced ears or even makeup.

Damn kids! Get off my lawn!

I don't like them either.  And ears are the only thing I like pierced.  Speaking of ear piercings, what is up with these guys these days that have checkers in each ear?

[JackAstro]

The best advice I've ever received on tattoos: decide exactly what you want, then wait a year before you get it.  If you can't wait that long or you do and realize you changed your mind, tattoos aren't for you.  If you walk in a shop and pick something off the wall, you will probably be dissapointed.  Get something original and don't get one for other people.

So very, very true.

[94CougarGrad]

I'm not against tattoos on women, but I don't have one myself. When I was younger, I thought about getting one, but I couldn't decide on one I'd mind some retirement home worker seeing when I'm 97 and getting my daily sponge bath. Plus, they started getting popular, which made the novelty die for me.

One of my sisters has tattoos. They're very interesting, and were done well, but just... hm. I guess I'll just say "it's a good thing she works in a restaurant and not an office environment" and leave it at that.

I pierced the left side of my nose when I was 14 years old. I got over it quickly when I got a terrible head cold (read: runny nose) a month later. Ear piercings have been enough for me ever since.

The "checkers" in the guys' ears... ugh. They're gauging. If you think it looks terrible on them, you should see young ladies with those big nickel-sized voids in their ear lobes.  

[Matt]

I'm not against tattoos on women, but I don't have one myself. When I was younger, I thought about getting one, but I couldn't decide on one I'd mind some retirement home worker seeing when I'm 97 and getting my daily sponge bath. Plus, they started getting popular, which made the novelty die for me.

One of my sisters has tattoos. They're very interesting, and were done well, but just... hm. I guess I'll just say "it's a good thing she works in a restaurant and not an office environment" and leave it at that.

I pierced the left side of my nose when I was 14 years old. I got over it quickly when I got a terrible head cold (read: runny nose) a month later. Ear piercings have been enough for me ever since.

The "checkers" in the guys' ears... ugh. They're gauging. If you think it looks terrible on them, you should see young ladies with those big nickel-sized voids in their ear lobes.  

Not only do plugs look disgusting but they absolutely reek too.  Basically your ears are constantly trying to heal themselves so this gross stench builds up.

[jonbloozy]

Not only do plugs look disgusting but they absolutely reek too.  Basically your ears are constantly trying to heal themselves so this gross stench builds up.

It's not that bad if you keep 'em clean.  I took mine (2 gauge) out years ago once everyone started getting them.

I compare tattoos/piercings to my experience with the band Sublime.  In the early 90s, they played Sublime songs on a lot of surf videos.  My buddies and I knew of the band, but no one else had ever heard of them.  I hunted down their CD and immediately fell in love.  Then, in 1994, local radio stations started playing "Date Rape."  Soon, all the football players and other types started listening to Sublime, and the semi-local, underground band immediately lost a lot if it's appeal for me.  Same thing with tattoos and piercings.   

[Ty in Tampa]

Mine is a design I had in mind for some time and it marks a significant period in my life. I can't imagine ever wanting to be rid of it.

[GreatBagwellsBeard]

Mine is a design I had in mind for some time and it marks a significant period in my life. I can't imagine ever wanting to be rid of it.

Likewise.  I've pondered getting a second big tattoo (or more), but there just isn't anything quite as significant to commemorate.  I am going to get my wife's name on my ring finger, under my wedding band.  She's said that she'll do likewise, but I think her pain tolerance (or lack thereof) will keep that from happening.

[TheWizard]

I think its shocking how many women have piercings.. urrmm, downstairs.  By downstairs, I mean below the belt.

[JimR]

I think its shocking how many women have piercings.. urrmm, downstairs.  By downstairs, I mean below the belt.

you have made a study of this?

[EasTexAstro]

Add me to the list of people who don't get tatoos. I do have one...kindof.

My father had an ink well when I was young, still doing some old style writing. He brought in all his sons one day, put a drop of ink on their right middle finger near the knuckle. A quick stab with the pen, and we all have almost invisible, matching "tatoos". I have considered doing it with my boys, too.

I can get that.

Then again, you would never see it without me pointing it out. It is just a nice reminder of my dad.

[JaneDoe]

Add me to the list of people who don't get tatoos. I do have one...kindof.

My father had an ink well when I was young, still doing some old style writing. He brought in all his sons one day, put a drop of ink on their right middle finger near the knuckle. A quick stab with the pen, and we all have almost invisible, matching "tatoos". I have considered doing it with my boys, too.

I can get that.

Then again, you would never see it without me pointing it out. It is just a nice reminder of my dad.

Watch out, someone will call CPS on you.

[94CougarGrad]

Watch out, someone will call CPS on you.

I left the agency in February. He's safe from me.

[94CougarGrad]

Mine is a design I had in mind for some time and it marks a significant period in my life. I can't imagine ever wanting to be rid of it.

I actually did come up with a design and a location on my body (no, you freaks, not those places) that would have had meaning and significance for me, but again, I just can't say that I'd want it on me when I'm 80. It might not be a big deal, and maybe I'm just indecisive about it, but I'd rather NOT get it than get it and regret it.

[HudsonHawk]

I don't like tatoos on women either.  Mrs. Hawk has one, and it's the least attractive part of her.  It's a "aTm" logo on her ankle.  I'm not sure what's worse.  As for being visible in the business world, hers is visible and she's never made any attempt to cover it up.  She's a CPA in a traditionally conservative environment, and it's never been an issue for her.  Frankly, I don't think people in the business world blink twice at tatoos anymore.  She's wanted me to get one, but I said I'd only get one of two...on my forearm...either an anchor or the word "MOM".  She stopped asking me to get one.

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

I've always wanted to get tattooed (a girl in a hula skirt on my forearm) but my commitment phobia makes it impossible. I try not to be too judgmental about tattoos, but I've made a few observations; The guy that checks me out at the grocery store has tattoos, my doctor does not. The girl that sold me new tubes for my bike at the Bicycle Sport Shop, has tattoos (and she's real innocent looking and kind of sexy), my insurance agent does not. The dude that poured my medium fresh brewed coffee-of-the-day, had a lot of tattoos, my good friend, Chris Riley, currently running for city council (don't forget to vote Austinites), has no tattoos. Draw your own conclusions.

[Ty in Tampa]

Draw your own conclusions.

You have a doctor, an insurance agent and a wannabe politician friend who don't have tattoos. Do you know each of them well enough to know they don't?

[TheWizard]

you have made a study of this?

More like a rudimentary case series?

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

You have a doctor, an insurance agent and a wannabe politician friend who don't have tattoos. Do you know each of them well enough to know they don't?

I just mean visible. I know they have none that I've ever seen. For all I know my doctor may have a flaming skull with wings tattooed on his chest and my insurance agent has Titian's The Rape of Europa across his back. That would be pretty cool if they did.

[strosrays]

So you don't like women with pierced ears either?

When you get down to it, I like all women, pretty much.  I said it wasn't that big of a deal for me, I was just curious what other people thought about it.   I have got some good feedback, pro and con.  Way more than I expected.

As for me personally, put it this way -- if women (or men) want to do stuff like that to themselves for powerful personal reasons, or any other reasons, that's their business, not mine.  But if any woman is doing it because she thinks it makes her more attractive, all I am saying is I for one don't want anyone stabbing holes in their ears or nose or eyebrows or belly button or anywhere else for my benefit.  That goes for tatoos, as well.  And I guess I am not alone on that, which was basically what I was trying to find out in the first place.

[Lurch]

It's not that bad if you keep 'em clean.  I took mine (2 gauge) out years ago once everyone started getting them.

I compare tattoos/piercings to my experience with the band Sublime.  In the early 90s, they played Sublime songs on a lot of surf videos.  My buddies and I knew of the band, but no one else had ever heard of them.  I hunted down their CD and immediately fell in love.  Then, in 1994, local radio stations started playing "Date Rape."  Soon, all the football players and other types started listening to Sublime, and the semi-local, underground band immediately lost a lot if it's appeal for me.  Same thing with tattoos and piercings.   

So a lot of a band's (one you fell in love with, mind you) appeal to you was that few others knew of them?  So, uh, how was the music?

[jonbloozy]

So a lot of a band's (one you fell in love with, mind you) appeal to you was that few others knew of them?  So, uh, how was the music?

The music was fucking awesome, that's the thing.  The appeal wasn't that they weren't well known, it was how unique their particular style of music was.  I'm surprised you've never heard of them.  Punk rock mixed with reggae.  It was definitely less cool once people I knew who had no musical taste whatsoever decided it was their favorite band.  It didn't change anything about the music.

I'm sure you can make the same argument for any number of things, but once everyone starts liking something that you think or thought was somehow cool or unique to you, diminishes it.  My decision to get tattoos was for purely personal reasons.  I love them.  My point is, tattoos are less cool now that everyone has them.

[TheWizard]

If the music is good, then why should they lose their appeal once a wider audience realizes that?  You'd prefer that your favorite bands stay local and.. well, less successful?  I get what you are saying, because a lot of people often use the same argument about bands "selling out", I just disagree with the premise of the whole bit I suppose.

[Lurch]

I, met a boy, wearing Vans, 501s, and a
Dope beastie-tee, nipple rings,
New tattoos that claim that he
Was OGT,
back in '92,
from the first EP.

And in between
Sips of Coke
He told me that
He thought
We were sellin' out,
Layin' down,
Suckin' up
To the man.

Well now I've got some
Advice for you, little buddy.
Before you point your finger
You should know that
I'm the man,

And if I'm the man,

Then you're the man, and
He's the man as well so you can
Point that fuckin' finger up your ass.

All you know about me is what I've sold you,
Dumb fuck.
I sold out long before you ever even heard my name.

I sold my soul to make a record,
Dip shit,
And then you bought one.

I've got some
Advice for you, little buddy.
Before you point your finger
You should know that
I'm the man,

If I'm the fuckin' man
Then you're the fuckin' man as well
So you can
Point that fuckin' finger up your ass.

All you know about me is what I've sold you,
Dumb fuck.
I sold out long before you ever heard my name.

I sold my soul to make a record,
Dip shit,
And you bought one.

All you read and
Wear or see and
Hear on TV
Is a product
Begging for your
Fatass dirty
Dollar

Shut up and

Buy, buy, buy, my new record
Buy, buy, buy, send more money
Fuck you, buddy.
Fuck you, buddy.
Fuck you, buddy.
Fuck you, buddy.

--Tool, Hooker with a Penis

[Ron Brand]

Nice work, Lurch.

[S.P. Rodriguez]

Count me in the group that finds women with tattoo's unattractive.  The timeliness of this thread is interesting.  I was at a team lunch yesterday when I made a crack to my female colleague that I always wanted to date a "tattoo girl" (There were a number of them working behind the counter at Freebirds).  When she asked me if I was serious, I had to confirm I was NOT in fact serious about that statement.  We had a laugh about it and then realized the guy in front of us in line had tattoos all up his arm, including recent "work".  He didn't seem to notice or mind so no harm done.  At least I hope not.  But what can I do for if a person chooses to wear their thoughts and emotions "on his sleeve" (see what I did there? the guy had tattoo sleeves).

It's a different lifestyle, or cultural divide, and I doubt most of these folks envision themselves in an office environment in the future.  And if they do, they better accept that those thoughts, feelings, or statements made with their tattoos are "art" in one critical way.  As art is subject to each person's perceptions and opinions, so are their tattoos.  I'm not saying you shouldn't have them because of what other people will think.  But don't be naive and think that everyone will simply accept them without judgment. 

Personally, I have friends with one, two, several, sleeves, etc...  It really doesn't matter that much to me in that setting.  Now, if my wife had one, I'd hope it was done well and not reminiscent of some previous boyfriend.  And yes, I've looked EVERYWHERE, just to be sure.  I'm fortunate that she, like myself, isn't particularly fond of tattoos. 

[MusicMan]

I'm sure you can make the same argument for any number of things, but once everyone starts liking something that you think or thought was somehow cool or unique to you, diminishes it.  My decision to get tattoos was for purely personal reasons.  I love them.  My point is, tattoos are less cool now that everyone has them.

I cannot undersstand this type of thinking.  But then again, I've never had a problem with thinking that I'm tool cool for the popular or the mainstream.  Growing up, they were always too cool for me.

[Matt]

People that don't see the appeal of tattoos don't bother me.  I know they bother some others that have tattoos but those people are usually the ones that got them so people can see how "cool" they are.  I get tattoos for myself because I like how they look and it appeals to me.  If someone else doesn't like them then that's fine, I didn't get them for anyone else.

[strosrays]

If the music is good, then why should they lose their appeal once a wider audience realizes that?  You'd prefer that your favorite bands stay local and.. well, less successful?  I get what you are saying, because a lot of people often use the same argument about bands "selling out", I just disagree with the premise of the whole bit I suppose.

When London Calling was released here in 1979, you should have heard the clamor from all the cognescenti about how The Clash had sold out big time and were not worth listening to anymore, unless you were getting nostalgic with the first LP, or Give 'Em Enough Rope, maybe.

There were people, Clash fans mind you, who would not listen to London Calling, this groundbreaking, transcendent, fucking awesome LP, just because it offended their particular conciet, and their sense of ownership or entitlement or whatever it was with regard to the band.

Fucking insane.

[JackAstro]

People that don't see the appeal of tattoos don't bother me.  I know they bother some others that have tattoos but those people are usually the ones that got them so people can see how "cool" they are.  I get tattoos for myself because I like how they look and it appeals to me.  If someone else doesn't like them then that's fine, I didn't get them for anyone else.

I'm with you. It's no different than someone not liking my shoes - it's perfectly fine. They're my shoes, I paid for them, no one else has to wear them... so I don't have any reason to care what someone else thinks of them. It's not offensive in the least. And if someone else wants to make assumptions about me or pass judgement based on my shoes, well that's on them, not me.

In closing, this marks my first extended shoe metaphor, and I'm not quite sure how I got here.

[strosrays]

In closing, this marks my first extended shoe metaphor, and I'm not quite sure how I got here.

Subliminal thoughts about Drayton McLane in Florsheim loafers?

[jonbloozy]

If the music is good, then why should they lose their appeal once a wider audience realizes that?  You'd prefer that your favorite bands stay local and.. well, less successful?  I get what you are saying, because a lot of people often use the same argument about bands "selling out", I just disagree with the premise of the whole bit I suppose.

If you were to buy a brand new (insert cool car here) and then everyone else on your block gets the same one, your car becomes less "cool."  Doesn't change anything about the car, 'cept that everyone has one.

[TheWizard]

If you were to buy a brand new (insert cool car here) and then everyone else on your block gets the same one, your car becomes less "cool."  Doesn't change anything about the car, 'cept that everyone has one.

A car isn't the same as music to me.  You are making the comparison as saying you bought the car to look cool, the same way you'd listen to music to look cool.  I listen to music because I like it.  And if everyone else on the block realizes that the music I was listening to first is good, and starts listening to it also, then I'd be pleased.

[Limey]

When London Calling was released here in 1979, you should have heard the clamor from all the cognescenti about how The Clash had sold out big time and were not worth listening to anymore, unless you were getting nostalgic with the first LP, or Give 'Em Enough Rope, maybe.

There were people, Clash fans mind you, who would not listen to London Calling, this groundbreaking, transcendent, fucking awesome LP, just because it offended their particular conciet, and their sense of ownership or entitlement or whatever it was with regard to the band.

Fucking insane.

I'm already fucked off with the bleating from Trekkies about the new movie.  Shut the fuck up and get back in your Mum's basement, loser.

[Ebby Calvin]

I'm already fucked off with the bleating from Trekkies about the new movie.  Shut the fuck up and get back in your Mum's basement, loser.

Trekkies Bash New Star Trek Film As "Fun.  Watchable."

[jonbloozy]

A car isn't the same as music to me.  You are making the comparison as saying you bought the car to look cool, the same way you'd listen to music to look cool.  I listen to music because I like it.  And if everyone else on the block realizes that the music I was listening to first is good, and starts listening to it also, then I'd be pleased.

Good point.  It's an imperfect analogy, as music isn't the same as tattoos.  I don't listen to the music I like because it's cool (it usually is the opposite) and I didn't get tattoos to be cool.  I disagree with those people who stop liking a band because they "sold out" or became too popular.  I really don't mind bands becoming succesfull.  But again, once the same people who were blasting Jay-Z (IMHO, no musical taste) the day before decide Sublime is their new favorite band, it pisses me off.  Same thing with tattoos; I spent hours designing the piece and then sat in a chair for another couple hours to get the work done.  It was special to me and I invested time into it.  Some girl walks into a shop at random and gets a flower on her belly button.  Yes, we both have tattoos, but I think mine has a more significant personal meaning.  So I guess if everone on the block starts listening to a band I like, I don't mind it as long as the folks on my block have some degree of musical taste.  But when I start seeing a Sublime bumper sticker next to, say, Creed, it makes me mad.  Not that it changes the music, but it does diminish my unique connection to the band.  It used to be if you had heard of Sublime, you were into the skate/surf/snowboard culture and we probably have a lot in common.  Nowadays, if you listen to Sublime, you most likely heard it on the radio.  That connection is gone.

[JackAstro]

Good point.  It's an imperfect analogy, as music isn't the same as tattoos.  I don't listen to the music I like because it's cool (it usually is the opposite) and I didn't get tattoos to be cool.  I disagree with those people who stop liking a band because they "sold out" or became too popular.  I really don't mind bands becoming succesfull.  But again, once the same people who were blasting Jay-Z (IMHO, no musical taste) the day before decide Sublime is their new favorite band, it pisses me off.  Same thing with tattoos; I spent hours designing the piece and then sat in a chair for another couple hours to get the work done.  It was special to me and I invested time into it.  Some girl walks into a shop at random and gets a flower on her belly button.  Yes, we both have tattoos, but I think mine has a more significant personal meaning.  So I guess if everone on the block starts listening to a band I like, I don't mind it as long as the folks on my block have some degree of musical taste.  But when I start seeing a Sublime bumper sticker next to, say, Creed, it makes me mad.  Not that it changes the music, but it does diminish my unique connection to the band.  It used to be if you had heard of Sublime, you were into the skate/surf/snowboard culture and we probably have a lot in common.  Nowadays, if you listen to Sublime, you most likely heard it on the radio.  That connection is gone.

Holy elitist, Batman!

[jonbloozy]

Holy elitist, Batman!

Is it?  I certainly don't mean it to be, just my personal feelings.  Am I the only one here who feels this way? (at least, re: music)

[MusicMan]

Is it?  I certainly don't mean it to be, just my personal feelings. 

Textbook definition.

[jonbloozy]

Textbook definition.

Well then I guess I'm a musical snob.  And a tattoo snob.

[Bench]

Well then I guess I'm a musical snob.  And a tattoo snob.

But at least you're not an effete snob.

[BizidyDizidy]

But at least you're not an effete snob.

I am the opposite kind of snob. I don't like the cocktails any less because there are idiots involved. I just like the idiots less.

[Limey]

I am the opposite kind of snob. I don't like the cocktails any less because there are idiots involved. I just like the idiots less.

You see, this is where you are going wrong.  To me, everyone is an idiot until proven otherwise.

It's one of the reasons I don't understand (at the risk of a major thread hijack) racists.  People don't have to be of a certain race, creed or colour to piss me off.  People piss me off with what they do and, rarely but not so infrequently that it makes me want to live on Mars, surprise me pleasantly with what they do.  Nothing else comes into it.

[MRaup]

Holy elitist, Batman!

jonbloozidy?

[BizidyDizidy]

You see, this is where you are going wrong.  To me, everyone is an idiot until proven otherwise.

It's one of the reasons I don't understand (at the risk of a major thread hijack) racists.  People don't have to be of a certain race, creed or colour to piss me off.  People piss me off with what they do and, rarely but not so infrequently that it makes me want to live on Mars, surprise me pleasantly with what they do.  Nothing else comes into it.

Yes, you have stated an important corollary that everyone is a idiot.

[jonbloozy]

You see, this is where you are going wrong.  To me, everyone is an idiot until proven otherwise.

It's one of the reasons I don't understand (at the risk of a major thread hijack) racists.  People don't have to be of a certain race, creed or colour to piss me off.  People piss me off with what they do and, rarely but not so infrequently that it makes me want to live on Mars, surprise me pleasantly with what they do.  Nothing else comes into it.

Don't get me started on black guys with tattoos (YOU CAN"T EVEN SEE 'EM!)

/justkidding

[Limey]

Yes, you have stated an important corollary that everyone is a idiot.

Yeah, but anyone who says bad things about me is being anti-anglo-saxon.

[BudGirl]

Yeah, but anyone who says bad things about me is being anti-anglo-saxon.

that or truthful.

[BizidyDizidy]

that or truthful.

Or both.

[Lurch]

Is it?  I certainly don't mean it to be, just my personal feelings.  Am I the only one here who feels this way? (at least, re: music)

Go back and listen to your Sublime albums again and put that other bs aside.  Otherwise, you're just depriving yourself out of what, spite?  Enjoy the music, don't get distracted by the social attachments that may come along with it.  Good (however you define it for yourself) music is exponentially deeper than that.

[jonbloozy]

Go back and listen to your Sublime albums again and put that other bs aside.  Otherwise, you're just depriving yourself out of what, spite?  Enjoy the music, don't get distracted by the social attachments that may come along with it.  Good (however you define it for yourself) music is exponentially deeper than that.

The more I read this thread, the more I realize how stupid I sound.  I don't deprive myself of the music, I still listen to Sublime all the time.  It is deeper than all that other bs.  And I don't live my life based on what others think, so I guess I really shouldn't let this stuff bug me.   

[MRaup]

The more I read this thread, the more I realize how stupid I sound.  I don't deprive myself of the music, I still listen to Sublime all the time.  It is deeper than all that other bs.  And I don't live my life based on what others think, so I guess I really shouldn't let this stuff bug me.   

At least you're realizing it. There are plenty of people that still haven't realized how idiotic they sound with some of their stances that have been posting here far longer than you.

[geezerdonk]

Isn't Sublime the Kroger brand Sprite kockoff?

[Gizzmonic]

Isn't Sublime the Kroger brand Sprite kockoff?

I dunno if we're still talking about this, but I enjoy chicks with tattoos and Betty Page haircuts.   Ladies, if socially retarded manchildren get you all hot and bothered, look no further!

[strosrays]

Guess I won't be showing you mine anytime soon.

I've done some research and, actually, you do have to show it to the person who started all this (me).  It's the law.

We can get together and arrange a time and place for this, PM me.

[Ty in Tampa]

I've done some research and, actually, you do have to show it to the person who started all this (me).  It's the law.

Have I ever told you about how much I hate large breasts on women?

[BudGirl]

I've done some research and, actually, you do have to show it to the person who started all this (me).  It's the law.

We can get together and arrange a time and place for this, PM me.

Anything to get you to come out of hiding.

[MusicMan]

Have I ever told you about how much I hate large breasts on women?

Lipstick lesbians.  What gives?

[TheWizard]

Isn't Sublime the Kroger brand Sprite kockoff?

Drinking a squirt and tequila in honor of Cinco de Mayo seems appropriate.

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

I am a sensitive artist.

[Gizzmonic]

I am a sensitive artist.

Nah for real, I got mine done in Phoenix too."

[chuck]

I'm not crazy about tattoos because of the permanence they signify. If I had one I'd constantly be reminded of my mortality.

I guess I'm not wild about them on women because my own prejudice tells me (erroneously, surely) that women (and men) that have them are likely not to be too forward thinking.

Of course, that is completely counter-intuitive since I am surely better off looking for, emm, dates who are decidedly not forward thinking.

[strosrays]

I'm not crazy about tattoos because of the permanence they signify. If I had one I'd constantly be reminded of my mortality.

I guess I'm not wild about them on women because my own prejudice tells me (erroneously, surely) that women (and men) that have them are likely not to be too forward thinking.

Of course, that is completely counter-intuitive since I am surely better off looking for, emm, dates who are decidedly not forward thinking.

I didn't start this out with an eye toward getting into the psychology of tatoos and body piercing, and I am not going to go down that road now. . . partly because I don't know enough about either psychology or tatoos/body piercing to know a bogus theory or study from a sound one; partly because I am not sure how much psychology is involved in this at all; and partly because I don't want to inadvertantly hurt the feelings of people I care about.

But if you want to get an eyefull, Google something like "tatoos+self esteem".

[JackAstro]

I didn't start this out with an eye toward getting into the psychology of tatoos and body piercing, and I am not going to go down that road now. . . partly because I don't know enough about either psychology or tatoos/body piercing to know a bogus theory or study from a sound one; partly because I am not sure how much psychology is involved in this at all; and partly because I don't want to inadvertantly hurt the feelings of people I care about.

But if you want to get an eyefull, Google something like "tatoos+self esteem".

If you really want an eyeful, do a a google image search for "gay mermen tattoo". This has nothing to do with anything, but it's pretty spectacular. (not safe for anywhere)

[MusicMan]

If you really want an eyeful, do a a google image search for "gay mermen tattoo". This has nothing to do with anything, but it's pretty spectacular. (not safe for anywhere)

How in the blue hell did you discover this?

[BudGirl]

It was probably emailed to him from a friend.

[Limey]

It was probably emailed to him from a friend.

His friend actually printed it off for him, then reached around and put it on his desk.

[Taras Bulba]

His friend actually printed it off for him, then reached around and put it on his desk.

Enthusiastic golf clap for that one.

[Matt]

My favorite bad tattoos are sported by one Mr. Cool Ice hailing from Germany I believe.  GIS that!

[JackAstro]

His friend actually printed it off for him, then reached around and put it on his desk.

I was going to actually answer, but yeah... this wins.

[MikeyBoy]

Speaking of tatoos on attractive women, if you have four minutes to kill, please do your manhood a favor and watch this video. It's safe for work, meaning she has cloths on the entire time.

wow

I think there was a thread awhile back with someone claiming Megan Fox was not all that? Well to whomever that was, with all due respect and I'm saying with all due respect, I didn't realize you'd gotten experimental surgery to get your balls removed.

[MusicMan]

Cabrera is hot.

[MikeyBoy]

D'oh!

[otterjb]

Keeley Hazell vs. Megan Fox. Something that wouldn't be so bad to see.

[Andyzipp]

Keeley Hazell vs. Megan Fox. Something that wouldn't be so bad to see.

Seeing as one of Ms. Hazell's profundities is bigger than ALL of Ms. Fox, I don't know how long that battle would last.  But I'd watch every second of it.

[strosrays]

Seeing as one of Ms. Hazell's profundities is bigger than ALL of Ms. Fox, I don't know how long that battle would last.  But I'd watch every second of it.

I recently saw somewhere a compilation/summarization of the Playboy Playmate profiles that used to accompany the centerfolds in the magazine each month (I guess they still do?)

The most common response under "ambition":  Acting, modeling, happiness, having a family, traveling.

Most common "turn ons":  (X type of) music, animals, eating, buying new clothes, long romantic walks on the beach.

Most common "turn offs":  Egotistical people, liars, jealous people, rude people, getting up early.

Those profiles were often a source of ridicule among Playboy "readers", as I recall.  I used to like reading the ones which stated an ambition to either be a major star in soft-core porn, or a nuclear physicist.  One or the other.  Call it the Shaune Bagwell Syndrome.

But you know?  Looking at the most common responses, I can't really ridicule any of those.  I don't really mind getting up early, but I do like long romantic walks on the beach (if I am getting what they really meant by "romantic".)  Maybe I have the soul of a Playmate, I don't know.

[subnuclear]

I used to like reading the ones which stated an ambition to either be a major star in soft-core porn, or a nuclear physicist.

Sadly, not enough follow up on the latter.   

[Gizzmonic]

Speaking of tatoos on attractive women, if you have four minutes to kill, please do your manhood a favor and watch this video. It's safe for work, meaning she has cloths on the entire time.

wow

I think there was a thread awhile back with someone claiming Megan Fox was not all that? Well to whomever that was, with all due respect and I'm saying with all due respect, I didn't realize you'd gotten experimental surgery to get your balls removed.

Yeah, it was me, and the experimental surgery was so that I'd make the "Six Million Dollar Man" noise when I run.  They didn't touch me scrote.  Let's return to the facts: Megan Fox looks like a orange-tanned greasy barfly slut in Transformers.  Also, her face has a touch of succubus, with those harsh lines and the cruel, upturned mouth.  Maybe that's your thing.  There's a difference between "I'd hit it," (which I definitely would) and a transcendental beauty, like, say, Scarlett Johanssen or Halle Berry.  Perhaps you drool over every Hollywood blockbuster babe.  All I can say is that a distinguished gentleman like myself has different tastes!

[Matt]

Yeah, it was me, and the experimental surgery was so that I'd make the "Six Million Dollar Man" noise when I run.  They didn't touch me scrote.  Let's return to the facts: Megan Fox looks like a orange-tanned greasy barfly slut in Transformers.  Also, her face has a touch of succubus, with those harsh lines and the cruel, upturned mouth.  Maybe that's your thing.  There's a difference between "I'd hit it," (which I definitely would) and a transcendental beauty, like, say, Scarlett Johanssen or Halle Berry.  Perhaps you drool over every Hollywood blockbuster babe.  All I can say is that a distinguished gentleman like myself has different tastes!

Mmmmm...cruel, upturned mouth

[MikeyBoy]

Yeah, it was me, and the experimental surgery was so that I'd make the "Six Million Dollar Man" noise when I run.  They didn't touch me scrote.  Let's return to the facts: Megan Fox looks like a orange-tanned greasy barfly slut in Transformers.  Also, her face has a touch of succubus, with those harsh lines and the cruel, upturned mouth.  Maybe that's your thing.  There's a difference between "I'd hit it," (which I definitely would) and a transcendental beauty, like, say, Scarlett Johanssen or Halle Berry.  Perhaps you drool over every Hollywood blockbuster babe.  All I can say is that a distinguished gentleman like myself has different tastes!

Dude, I said with all due respect?

[Jacksonian]

Yeah, it was me, and the experimental surgery was so that I'd make the "Six Million Dollar Man" noise when I run.  They didn't touch me scrote.  Let's return to the facts: Megan Fox looks like a orange-tanned greasy barfly slut in Transformers.  Also, her face has a touch of succubus, with those harsh lines and the cruel, upturned mouth.  Maybe that's your thing.  There's a difference between "I'd hit it," (which I definitely would) and a transcendental beauty, like, say, Scarlett Johanssen or Halle Berry.  Perhaps you drool over every Hollywood blockbuster babe.  All I can say is that a distinguished gentleman like myself has different tastes!

So, you're saying if they put her in a Wonder Woman costume she'd be your perfect woman.

[Gizzmonic]

So, you're saying if they put her in a Wonder Woman costume she'd be your perfect woman.

I think Ms. Fox is more suited for a Wicked Queen-type costume.

[Taras Bulba]

Speaking of cartoons, has anyone taken a look at Wendy in the Wendy's commercials?  She has a little of a tarted up look about her, like she just came in from the high school parking lot after rolling around in the backseat of the quarterback's Tahoe.  Then again, maybe it's just me.

[Astroholic]

Speaking of cartoons, has anyone taken a look at Wendy in the Wendy's commercials?  She has a little of a tarted up look about her, like she just came in from the high school parking lot after rolling around in the backseat of the quarterback's Tahoe.  Then again, maybe it's just me.

Whats wrong with you?

[Bench]

Speaking of cartoons, has anyone taken a look at Wendy in the Wendy's commercials?  She has a little of a tarted up look about her, like she just came in from the high school parking lot after rolling around in the backseat of the quarterback's Tahoe.  Then again, maybe it's just me.

Is there a sub-POTWA category for inspired creepiness?  If so, nominated.

[Gizzmonic]

Speaking of cartoons, has anyone taken a look at Wendy in the Wendy's commercials?  She has a little of a tarted up look about her, like she just came in from the high school parking lot after rolling around in the backseat of the quarterback's Tahoe.  Then again, maybe it's just me.

Don't stop now, Taras.  You're on a roll!

[Taras Bulba]

Whats wrong with you?

I don't know, but I've looked at Wendy a lot lately and she has that "knowing" look in her eyes.  I'm quite sure that she has done some light whoring, flaunting herself about the place.  She has become quite simply, a burger slut.

[geezerdonk]

I don't know, but I've looked at Wendy a lot lately and she has that "knowing" look in her eyes.  I'm quite sure that she has done some light whoring, flaunting herself about the place.  She has become quite simply, a burger slut.

Very interesting - deeply disturbing - but very interesting.

[Matt]

I don't know, but I've looked at Wendy a lot lately and she has that "knowing" look in her eyes.  I'm quite sure that she has done some light whoring, flaunting herself about the place.  She has become quite simply, a burger slut.

Light whoring is often mistaken for a girl just trying to figure out herself and what she REALLY desires.