Cutler saga over

[MusicMan]

The Bears just gae up a 1st and 3rd this year, a 1st next year, and Kyle Orton to get Cutler.

Obviously the Bears have been without a QB for so long that they didn't mind bending over to get a whiny prima donna.

[JackAstro]

Wow. I thought this would end badly for Denver, but that's pretty damn good, considering.

[Rebel Jew]

Wow. I thought this would end badly for Denver, but that's pretty damn good, considering.

potential disaster i say.  add ex-bellicheck coordinator who is a protegee of the great charlie weiss.  take away the magic broncos zb running scheme, take away a good quarterback to throw the ball to their best remaining player (marshall).  keep the crappy defense with a few random additions and subtractions.  i'd be really pissed if i were a broncos fan, and really really happy if i were a bears fan.

[austro]

potential disaster i say.  add ex-bellicheck coordinator who is a protegee of the great charlie weiss.  take away the magic broncos zb running scheme, take away a good quarterback to throw the ball to their best remaining player (marshall).  keep the crappy defense with a few random additions and subtractions.  i'd be really pissed if i were a broncos fan, and really really happy if i were a bears fan.

Well, ignoring whether the new Broncos coach is worth a shit (I have no idea), I think the Broncos are better off here. Now they have four 1s and two 3s in the next two years (assuming they haven't already traded some of those away themselves) and got rid of a whiny nuisance who really hasn't proven all that much. Orton's not all that great, but they've got a really good rebuilding opportunity now. Watch how pooductive Cutler is with Lovie Smith's offense and that great stable of Bears receivers; I doubt that will be pretty.

[Rebel Jew]

Well, ignoring whether the new Broncos coach is worth a shit (I have no idea), I think the Broncos are better off here. Now they have four 1s and two 3s in the next two years (assuming they haven't already traded some of those away themselves) and got rid of a whiny nuisance who really hasn't proven all that much. Orton's not all that great, but they've got a really good rebuilding opportunity now. Watch how pooductive Cutler is with Lovie Smith's offense and that great stable of Bears receivers; I doubt that will be pretty.

Cutler threw for 4500 yards last year, had a 62% completion percentage, 7.5 ypa...25 touchdowns...he even RUSHED for 200 yards.  and he was sacked only 11 times.  26 years old.  the guy's a superstar.  who knows what those draft picks will turn into?

[BizidyDizidy]

Cutler threw for 4500 yards last year, had a 62% completion percentage, 7.5 ypa...25 touchdowns...he even RUSHED for 200 yards.  and he was sacked only 11 times.  26 years old.  the guy's a superstar.  who knows what those draft picks will turn into?

The rumors were that McDaniels was scared of him b/c 1) he's not very bright 2) he's a diabetic who won't stop drinking.

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

... the guy's a superstar. 

A what?

[Rebel Jew]

A what?

okay, maybe drop the "super"

[BudGirl]

The rumors were that McDaniels was scared of him b/c 1) he's not very bright 2) he's a diabetic who won't stop drinking.

#2 proves #1.

[Ty in Tampa]

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[MusicMan]

Cutler threw for 4500 yards last year, had a 62% completion percentage, 7.5 ypa...25 touchdowns...he even RUSHED for 200 yards.  and he was sacked only 11 times.  26 years old.  the guy's a superstar.  who knows what those draft picks will turn into?

He also had more intercceptions than anyone but Favre, and was 16th in QB rating.  And he's proben beyond a shadow of a doubt that he's a crybaby.

I'll take Schaub over him any day.

[matadorph]

Wow. I thought this would end badly for Denver, but that's pretty damn good, considering.

You don't trade a franchise quarterback of Cutler's caliber and come out of it with anything but shit all over your face. Cutler may not have handled this well, but his talents are undeniable and he's not yet in the prime of his career. McDaniels is a colossal fucktard, even if he did get two 1s and a 3.

The Broncos are a complete mess right now.

[MusicMan]

It's entirely dependent on whether you think Cutler's a "franchise" QB.  I don't think he is.

[matadorph]

He also had more intercceptions than anyone but Favre, and was 16th in QB rating.  And he's proben beyond a shadow of a doubt that he's a crybaby.

I'll take Schaub over him any day.

If we're talking about the Texans, I agree. Why fix something that ain't broke and give up draft picks in the process?

However, if we're comparing Schaub to Cutler, I think the two are very close right now but Cutler has a higher ceiling due to his mobility, arm strength, and toughness. If he can learn to harness the gunslinger mentality and mature into a better game manager, his future is unlimited.

[MusicMan]

I'll give you the mobility and arm strength, but he appears to have the toughness of a wet paper towel.

[matadorph]

It's entirely dependent on whether you think Cutler's a "franchise" QB.  I don't think he is.

He absolutely is a franchise quarterback. I honestly don't see how anyone can argue otherwise. He's posted impressive stats in an offense that doesn't have a Matt Forte at RB.

[matadorph]

I'll give you the mobility and arm strength, but he appears to have the toughness of a wet paper towel.

How so? He hasn't missed many games to injury. I think this is a great deal for the Bears and puts them in a position to dominate the NFC Central in the same way that the Colts have dominated the AFC South with Peyton Manning.

[TheWizard]

He's good. He's also a whiny bitch.  He got this offended because he was discussed in trade talks.  What makes him bigger than any other NFL player?

[MusicMan]

Mental toughness.  High school girls are embarrassed by the drama he's created in this whole circus.

As for the stats, he's been asked to throw it 50 times a game.  He'd better rack up some yards.

[matadorph]

He's good. He's also a whiny bitch.  He got this offended because he was discussed in trade talks.  What makes him bigger than any other NFL player?

Eh, so what. He's less of a whiny bitch than VY, and he can actually throw the ball accurately.

I don't think Cutler was out of line to be pissed about McDaniels because McDaniels lied to him. Who do you think Cutler's teammates blame, their stud quarterback or their new young coach with no NFL experience running the show?

[MusicMan]

If you're pissed, then talk to him man to man.  Don't request a meeting, bring your agent, then pout because the coachdidn't take you our to lunch without your agent to talk separately.  Good god, hemight as well have been passing notes in study hall.

And you really want to compare him to VY, who reacted to Collins' extension not with a trade demand, but by going to Fisher and saying "Tell me what I can do to win my job back?"

[matadorph]

Mental toughness.  High school girls are embarrassed by the drama he's created in this whole circus.

As for the stats, he's been asked to throw it 50 times a game.  He'd better rack up some yards.

Cutler didn't create the drama, McDaniels did. I agree that "the quarterback" didn't help resolve the situation but that doesn't change the apportionment of blame. The overwhelming preponderance is on the rookie head coach.

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[JimR]

Cutler didn't create the drama, McDaniels did. I agree that "the quarterback" didn't help resolve the situation but that doesn't change the apportionment of blame. The overwhelming preponderance is on the rookie head coach.

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BULL.SHIT.

[TheWizard]

I just think Cutler is being a huge drama queen, so most of it falls on him.  Sure sounds like there are plenty of egos on both sides of this contributing, but it just seems like Cutler took it to another level.  Up to this point I think he's talked about his coach, his GM, and his owner in public to the media?  But yet, he won't answer his phone or return messages when they try to contact him?  I know now he's tried to turn it around and say they never contacted him, but I have a hard time believing that the entire organization is lying about trying to get in contact with him. 

This is all speculation on my part, but from what I've read he seems like a pampered baby who got his feelings hurt when he found out, for probably the first time in his career, that someone didn't want him and he got all bent out of shape and turned into a 13 yr old girl about it.  That's not the kind of personality I'd want leading my team.  But I'm by no means an NFL GM, so..

[matadorph]

BULL.SHIT.

Wrong. Josh McDaniels right now is an unproven coach in the NFL who came to a new team and immediately alienated the franchise player. Do you honestly believe Cutler's teammates think Cutler was more in the wrong than the new guy who they have no relationship with?

I agree that Cutler acted petulantly in response, but if we're dishing out the blame, most of it goes to the rookie head coach. He should have bent over backwards to kiss Cutler's ass and repair the damage he caused, but he was so concerned about losing face that he's risked losing the team instead. 

Matt Cassel over Jay Cutler? What a joke.

[Russe]

The rumors were that McDaniels was scared of him b/c 1) he's not very bright 2) he's a diabetic who won't stop drinking.

Assuming that's actually true about Cutler (and I'm not saying it is), then it was a smart move. You can't spend franchise QB kind of money on someone who's not willing to take care of himself--better to unload him while he's valuable.

[Rebel Jew]

Assuming that's actually true about Cutler (and I'm not saying it is), then it was a smart move. You can't spend franchise QB kind of money on someone who's not willing to take care of himself--better to unload him while he's valuable.

no, you just trade for one:
http://kissingsuzykolber.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/ortonmontage.jpg

[BizidyDizidy]

Assuming that's actually true about Cutler (and I'm not saying it is), then it was a smart move. You can't spend franchise QB kind of money on someone who's not willing to take care of himself--better to unload him while he's valuable.

Obviously I have no idea if it's true either, but it was the subject of a mini-saga in Denver when it got posted on a FOX blog, then removed, then reposted after further verification.

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/03/27/cutler-alcohol-comment-resurfaces-on-fox31-blog/

[Duman]

I haven't seen his test scores but remember Cutler went to Vandy.  Not a school know for making it easy for "student athletes" to make it. They do have some decently high standards there.  

He didn't handle the situation well.  

This is how you handle trade rumors.  See Campbell, Jason

When word emerged yesterday, however, that the Redskins were actively pursuing a trade for Cutler, Campbell braced himself to possibly leave the organization that drafted him and helped him develop in four NFL seasons "because there was a lot more out there this time. There was a lot of crazy stuff going on, stuff you're hearing from people you trust, so you know something's happening.

"But you also know that there's nothing you can do about it. You just keep working and doing the things you need to do to get ready for the season. I just kept preparing myself for the season because whether I was here or whether I was someplace else, I still have a responsibility to my coaches and teammates. Those are the people that matter to me, so at the end of the day, I never want to let them down." ..."In a lot of ways, you have a lot of feelings about this, but there's also a lot of stuff you just keep on the inside," Campbell said. "You just go out there with a little bit more passion, a little bit more of a chip on your shoulder. Out of all of this, something good has got to come out of it.

"Maybe it's just that you stay positive, you keep working hard for the people that matter to you and you keep trying to be the best you can be. I really believe that everything I've gone through only prepares me to be a stronger person and a stronger quarterback. But this also shows you a lot. It shows you your true value to some people."

[sporadic]

I haven't seen his test scores but remember Cutler went to Vandy.  Not a school know for making it easy for "student athletes" to make it. They do have some decently high standards there.  

He didn't handle the situation well.  

This is how you handle trade rumors.  See Campbell, Jason

I was hoping Washington pulled the trigger on something...Campbell is a pretty damn good QB, as far as "game managers" go.  He might not light up the stat page, but he does not do many bone-headed things to lose you a game, either.  Seems like that kid is all class.

[MusicMan]

He should have bent over backwards to kiss Cutler's ass

And you don't think you lose a team if you do this?!?!

[Duman]

I was hoping Washington pulled the trigger on something...Campbell is a pretty damn good QB, as far as "game managers" go.  He might not light up the stat page, but he does not do many bone-headed things to lose you a game, either.  Seems like that kid is all class.

I am not sure he will be a pro bowl QB but I expect him to be a fantastic coach one day!  He had 4 offensive coordinators in his time at Auburn, and has had 3 in his pro career.  That is 7 systems to learn in 9 seasons.  Obviously the kid is pretty bright and can handle alot of change.  He has good leadership skills as well.

[sporadic]

And you don't think you lose a team if you do this?!?!

you just hit the nail on the head, regardless of whether the Broncos are beter or worse today (on paper, at least)

[matadorph]

And you don't think you lose a team if you do this?!?!

No. Josh McDaniels is a thirty-two-year-old rookie head coach. Unlike Cutler, he has no established relationship with that locker room. If we're talking about a Bill Parcells, Bill Cowher, or Tom Coughlin then I'd give the coach the benefit of the doubt, but Josh McDaniels does not have the experience or resume to actively pursue trading the franchise player as his first order of business without potentially alienating the rest of the team.

[hostros7]

The rumors were that McDaniels was scared of him b/c 1) he's not very bright 2) he's a diabetic who won't stop drinking.

I have several friends his year from Vandy.  According to heresay, these are facts.  Lawyers among us please forgive.

[matadorph]

When was the last time a quarterback of Cutler's age and ability with an established body of work was put on the trading block by a rookie coach? Has it ever happened?

All this "Cutler is a whiny bitch" talk is just a bit overstated, IMO. Yes, he's handled it poorly, but he's the first franchise quarterback that I can recall being treated this way. Has everyone forgotten about the "whiny bitch" crap Elway pulled in '83? Or Eli Manning in 2004?

Jay Cutler is a stud QB in the making. The Broncos are idiots for trading him.

[BizidyDizidy]

When was the last time a quarterback of Cutler's age and ability with an established body of work was put on the trading block by a rookie coach? Has it ever happened?

All this "Cutler is a whiny bitch" talk is just a bit overstated, IMO. Yes, he's handled it poorly, but he's the first franchise quarterback that I can recall being treated this way. Has everyone forgotten about the "whiny bitch" crap Elway pulled in '83? Or Eli Manning in 2004?

Jay Cutler is a stud QB in the making. The Broncos are idiots for trading him.

Has anyone ever seen matadorph and Jay Cutler in the same place at the same time?

[MusicMan]

OK, it's the winter of 2004.  Tim Purpura has just taken over the reins as the Astros GM.  The Pirates call up the Astros and say "Hey, we're willing to trade you Jason Bay, but you gotta give us Lidge."  Purpura seriously considers the offer, having just missed out on Beltran.

It's your position, then, that not only would Lidge have been justified in stomping his feet and demanding a trade, but that the rest of the team would have thought less of Purpura had he not gone out of his way to publicly kiss Lidge's ass?

Please.

[JackAstro]

potential disaster i say.  add ex-bellicheck coordinator who is a protegee of the great charlie weiss.  take away the magic broncos zb running scheme, take away a good quarterback to throw the ball to their best remaining player (marshall).  keep the crappy defense with a few random additions and subtractions.  i'd be really pissed if i were a broncos fan, and really really happy if i were a bears fan.

No, I mean the trade ended well for Denver. Once it was known that he'd be traded before the draft, I didn't expect them to recoup a starting QB, two #1s and a #3. That's damn good value for the situation.

[matadorph]

OK, it's the winter of 2004.  Tim Purpura has just taken over the reins as the Astros GM.  The Pirates call up the Astros and say "Hey, we're willing to trade you Jason Bay, but you gotta give us Lidge."  Purpura seriously considers the offer, having just missed out on Beltran.

It's your position, then, that not only would Lidge have been justified in stomping his feet and demanding a trade, but that the rest of the team would have thought less of Purpura had he not gone out of his way to publicly kiss Lidge's ass?

Please.

Ignoring the fact that the Lidge comparison is a poor one (Oswalt would be better), that is not how it went down. I absolutely agree that every team should always be willing to entertain offers, but in this case McDaniels actively shopped Cutler without Cutler's knowledge. McDaniels wasn't just listening, he was trying to trade Jay Cutler for Matt Fucking Cassel. Imagine what the response would've been had that deal happened. All the Cutler critics would most likely be bashing the new coach and talking up Cutler.

Cutler may be a douche, but so what? He is a stud quarterback, and stud quarterbacks are very difficult to find. When you've got one, you keep him.

[matadorph]

No, I mean the trade ended well for Denver. Once it was known that he'd be traded before the draft, I didn't expect them to recoup a starting QB, two #1s and a #3. That's damn good value for the situation.

I think it's fair value for both teams. If an unproven Eli Manning is worth Philip Rivers, a 1, a 3, and a 5, Jay Cutler is worth what the Bears gave up to get him.

[Bench]

The rumors were that McDaniels was scared of him b/c 1) he's not very bright 2) he's a diabetic who won't stop drinking.

Can we try not to label people?  "Person with diabetes" please.  We don't call cancer victims "cancerics."

[MusicMan]

If you think Cutler is 2004 Roy Oswalt, you're way overestimating him.  Cutler has 2 years of losing football under his belt.  Roy already had 3 top-5 Cy finishes by that point.

[matadorph]

If you think Cutler is 2004 Roy Oswalt, you're way overestimating him.  Cutler has 2 years of losing football under his belt.  Roy already had 3 top-5 Cy finishes by that point.

Riiiight. And VY has two years of "winning football" under his belt. VY just wins! Can we agree that it's disingenuous to use the team's record to judge quarterback play? After all, what's Matt Schaub's winning percentage?

The reason I brought up Roy wasn't to compare his individual performance to Cutler's but to compare his value as an ace starting pitcher to Cutler's value as a franchise quarterback. Great quarterbacks, like starting pitchers, are extremely rare. Closers are more replaceable, kinda like cornerbacks or wide receivers.

[BizidyDizidy]

Riiiight. And VY has two years of "winning football" under his belt. VY just wins! Can we agree that it's disingenuous to use the team's record to judge quarterback play? After all, what's Matt Schaub's winning percentage?

For the Texan's in games where he took the majority of the snaps I think he's 10-8. Over the same time period Cutler is 15-17. In 08 he put up an 86 quarterback rating while Schaub put up a 93.

[MusicMan]

Riiiight. And VY has two years of "winning football" under his belt. VY just wins!

You're the one that brought VY in to this.  I'm not here to argue that VY's a better QB. 

Can we agree that it's disingenuous to use the team's record to judge quarterback play? After all, what's Matt Schaub's winning percentage?

No, because I have this strange thought that you play to win the games, not to rack up stats.  Schaub's no better when it comes to winning games.

As I said, it's all clearly dependent on how you view Cutler.  You clearly think he's Elway Reincarnated.  I think quite less of him.

[JimR]

Can we try not to label people?  "Person with diabetes" please.  We don't call cancer victims "cancerics."

huh?

my daughter is a juvenile diabetic, and that is what she is called by health care folks.

can we not be so PC?

[BizidyDizidy]

I think if Schaub can stay healthy, he will be pretty widely regarded as better than Cutler sooner rather than later. Time will tell.

[MusicMan]

huh?

my daughter is a juvenile diabetic, and that is what she is called by health care folks.

can we not be so PC?

I think it was sarcasm.

[matadorph]

Where did I ever say anything about him being Elway? I don't think he's John Elway, I think he's Jay Cutler.

I know this: he is a franchise quarterback. When you have a franchise quarterback, you do everything you can to keep him under club control. You don't trade him.

[BizidyDizidy]

Can we try not to label people?  "Person with diabetes" please.  We don't call cancer victims "cancerics."

Would it be an acceptable compromise if I just start saying canceric?

[matadorph]

I think if Schaub can stay healthy, he will be pretty widely regarded as better than Cutler sooner rather than later. Time will tell.

I sure hope so. I agree that Schaub is comparable to Cutler right now and the Texans were wise to trade those two second-round picks to get him, but when I take off my homer glasses I have to admit that Cutler has the advantage in physical talent over Schaub.

[MusicMan]

I just place less of a premium on physical talent.  Just about anyone at the NFL level has the physical talent to get the job done.  What's between their ears differentiates them.

[matadorph]

You're the one that brought VY in to this.  I'm not here to argue that VY's a better QB. 

No, because I have this strange thought that you play to win the games, not to rack up stats.  Schaub's no better when it comes to winning games.

Trent Dilfer played to win the games. So did Dan Marino. Of course, one guy has a Super Bowl ring and the other one doesn't.

Cutler is not considered a stud quarterback just because he "racks up" stats. He's considered a stud quarterback because he has tremendous physical ability to play the position, and he's improved every year. It's not his fault the Broncos defense is one of the worst in the NFL.

[matadorph]

I just place less of a premium on physical talent.  Just about anyone at the NFL level has the physical talent to get the job done.  What's between their ears differentiates them.

True, but I haven't seen any evidence that Cutler doesn't have it between the ears. His brash play sometimes gets him in trouble like it did with Favre, but his arm strength and accuracy (especially when he's on the move) are desirable traits in a quarterback. How many NFL quarterbacks have Cutler's cannon arm and accuracy? Very few.

[Bench]

huh?

my daughter is a juvenile diabetic, and that is what she is called by health care folks.

can we not be so PC?

I'm with you as long as I can still be sarcastic. (Though in all seriousness, do they really call her a juvenile diabetic? I thought it was Type 1/Type 2 these days)

Would it be an acceptable compromise if I just start saying canceric?

Works for me.  I've been waiting for it to catch on.

[jonbloozy]

Would it be an acceptable compromise if I just start saying canceric?

Definititely

[Astroholic]

Who the fuck cares?  Play ball (6pm Monday pleeeeeeease hurry).

[matadorph]

Those of you bashing Cutler should listen to the press conference in Denver right now. McDaniels is a fucking dick. He still won't refer to Cutler by name and will only refer to him as "the player."

Pat Bowlen needs to take this guy aside and remind him that he is not Bill Parcells. He is an unproven 32-yr-old who cut his teeth under Bill Belichick.

[MusicMan]

McDaniel's personality has nothing to do with Cutler's inability to carry himself with class.

[matadorph]

McDaniel's personality has nothing to do with Cutler's inability to carry himself with class.

Likewise, Cutler's ability to carry himself with class after being publicly disrespected by the Broncos new regime is meaningless compared to his ability to play the quarterback position.

McDaniels is the guy who started it, not Cutler. He was hired to replace Mike Shanahan and his first order of business was to fuck with the centerpiece of his team's offense even though that same offense ranked second in the NFL last season. Brilliant move.

[Bench]

Likewise, Cutler's ability to carry himself with class after being publicly disrespected by the Broncos new regime is meaningless compared to his ability to play the quarterback position.

McDaniels is the guy who started it, not Cutler. He was hired to replace Mike Shanahan and his first order of business was to fuck with the centerpiece of his team's offense even though that same offense ranked second in the NFL last season. Brilliant move.

See, I never figured out where Cutler was publically disrespected. So his name came up in a trade talk.  So fucking what?

[matadorph]

See, I never figured out where Cutler was publically disrespected. So his name came up in a trade talk.  So fucking what?

Because his name didn't just come up. McDaniels initiated the trade discussions and then lied about it later. His actions said "I'd rather have Matt Cassel than Jay Cutler."

[BizidyDizidy]

What has flown under the radar is the fact that it's pretty likely Cutler requested a trade prior to the Cassel situation came up - apparently, the real reason he was upset is that Bowlen told him they wouldn't change around the offense (and offensive staff) too much, and then he brought in McDaniel's, an offensive guy who wanted to retool.

[Duke]

What has flown under the radar is the fact that it's pretty likely Cutler requested a trade prior to the Cassel situation came up - apparently, the real reason he was upset is that Bowlen told him they wouldn't change around the offense (and offensive staff) too much, and then he brought in McDaniel's, an offensive guy who wanted to retool.

This is what we've been heariing as well.  After Shanahan and his OC left, Cutler's agent asked about a trade possibility.  Looks like he got what he wanted and should be happy.   Seems like McDaniels may not be interested in a franchise QB with so many other holes on the team.  Get a bus driver type in there (like Cassels last year) and improve the team.  If nothing else, it buys McDaniels some time.

[HudsonHawk]

I sure hope so. I agree that Schaub is comparable to Cutler right now and the Texans were wise to trade those two second-round picks to get him, but when I take off my homer glasses I have to admit that Cutler has the advantage in physical talent over Schaub.

What the FUCK?  I'm absolutely convinced now that you've never seen a football game in your entire life.

[matadorph]

What the FUCK?  I'm absolutely convinced now that you've never seen a football game in your entire life.

Wait, aren't you the guy who's banged on Schaub since day one? You're hardly the beacon of objective analysis.

[Rebel Jew]

anybody see this?
http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/04/03/cutler-ron-turner-have-rocky-history/

[matadorph]

Crazy offseason just got crazier.

[Trey]

Crazy offseason just got crazier.

The Giants must have figured out (or been told... or guessed... or something) that he's either going to jail or going to have to sit out significant time due to a suspension.  Otherwise, it seems like this would have happened a long time ago.

[MusicMan]

Suuposedly Plax keeps rejecting plea deals that involve any prison time.  He's going to end up doing a lot more time by doing so.

[Trey]

Suuposedly Plax keeps rejecting plea deals that involve any prison time.  He's going to end up doing a lot more time by doing so.

Maybe he hired Floyd Landis's legal team.

[TheWizard]

Where did I ever say anything about him being Elway? I don't think he's John Elway, I think he's Jay Cutler.

I know this: he is a franchise quarterback. When you have a franchise quarterback, you do everything you can to keep him under club control. You don't trade him.

I agree that he looks like he will pan out to be a good QB.  But the fact is, in the end, they didn't trade him (originally).  Trade was discussed.. didn't happen.  But the dude went apeshit over being discussed in trade talks?  I think most people would get offended, sure.  But to go in public and drag this thing out, and not even answer calls from the organization.  I just think that it was a petty and immature way to handle it. 

I'm not a GM, but I'm guessing plenty of players get discussed in talks and probably don't know about it.. probably for reasons like this.  They will blow up.

[TheWizard]

Crazy offseason just got crazier.

Hopefully the Giants didn't shoot themselves in the foot with this move....

[DVauthrin]

Hopefully the Giants didn't shoot themselves in the foot with this move....

Don't you mean shoot themselves in the leg?

[geezerdonk]

He's going to end up doing a lot more time by doing so.

If stupidity were a crime, he'd get the death penalty - twice.

[HudsonHawk]

Wait, aren't you the guy who's banged on Schaub since day one? You're hardly the beacon of objective analysis.

No, I'm the guy who banged on Schaub after about day 600 after watching him play for 2 seasons.  I'm the epitome of objective.  He fuckin blows.  To basically call him a "superstar" is mindboggling.