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« on: May 09, 2008, 02:12:04 pm »
Bagwell, 1994: .368/.451/.750
Berkman, 2008: .368/.449/.752

As hot as Lance has been for six weeks, it's scary to remember Bagwell doing that for a full season. Let's hope Lance keeps eating his lucky snackcakes the rest of the year.

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« Reply #1 on: May 09, 2008, 02:15:39 pm »
Bagwell, 1994: .368/.451/.750
Berkman, 2008: .368/.449/.752

As hot as Lance has been for six weeks, it's scary to remember Bagwell doing that for a full season. Let's hope Lance keeps eating his lucky snackcakes the rest of the year.

Wow, what a wakeup call: Bagwell's MVP year was 14 years ago!

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« Reply #2 on: May 09, 2008, 02:17:59 pm »
Wow, what a wakeup call: Bagwell's MVP year was 14 years ago!

Berkman was a senior in high school at the time, I believe.

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« Reply #3 on: May 09, 2008, 02:20:37 pm »
Scary: it's been 14 years. Sure doesn't seem like it.

Those of you with little munchkins make sure that you pay attention to them now, because before you know it, you'll be 14 years down the road and they'll be off on their own.
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« Reply #4 on: May 09, 2008, 02:44:02 pm »
Never thought I'd see gas prices equal to Bagwell's historic 1994 batting average.

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« Reply #5 on: May 09, 2008, 02:50:56 pm »
Never thought I'd see gas prices equal to Bagwell's historic 1994 batting average.

Just wait until they get to his SLG.
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« Reply #6 on: May 09, 2008, 03:25:31 pm »
Just wait until they get to his SLG.

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« Reply #7 on: May 09, 2008, 03:41:08 pm »
Just wait until they get to his SLG.

That'll be summer, according to some:

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« Reply #8 on: May 09, 2008, 04:32:46 pm »
Bagwell, 1994: .368/.451/.750
Berkman, 2008: .368/.449/.752

As hot as Lance has been for six weeks, it's scary to remember Bagwell doing that for a full season. Let's hope Lance keeps eating his lucky snackcakes the rest of the year.

Though technically it wasn't a full season because of the strike.  Still not too shabby.

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« Reply #9 on: May 09, 2008, 04:35:29 pm »
Though technically it wasn't a full season because of the strike.  Still not too shabby.

And the broken hand, which occurred one or two days before the strike.
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« Reply #10 on: May 09, 2008, 04:50:54 pm »
And the broken hand, which occurred one or two days before the strike.


Which people tend to forget.  The strike was meaningless to Bagwell's season.  It was Matt Williams who was really affected by the strike.

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« Reply #11 on: May 09, 2008, 06:07:56 pm »
Just wait until they get to his SLG.

...or his OPS...
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« Reply #12 on: May 09, 2008, 06:57:16 pm »
The rules of distinction were thrown out with the baseball cap.  It does not lend itself to protocol.  It is found today on youth in homes, classrooms, even in fine restaurants.  Regardless of its other consequences, this is a breach against civility.  A civilized man should avoid this mania.

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« Reply #13 on: May 09, 2008, 08:18:29 pm »

SWEEEET!!!!!

Somehow I think the 17" LCD on HH's back porch just turned into a 40" LCD.
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« Reply #14 on: May 09, 2008, 08:49:49 pm »
Somehow I think the 17" LCD on HH's back porch just turned into a 40" LCD.


$6/gallon gas is good for the economy.
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« Reply #15 on: May 09, 2008, 09:11:12 pm »
And the broken hand, which occurred one or two days before the strike.
The timing of that injury was extreeemely fortuitous for, IMHO, the greatest Astro of all time. At the time, I had never witnessed such a continual barrage of pure hitting, BA coupled with power, by any Astro. I am sure that anyone watching in '94 will agree with that. Moises had tremendous BAs about 8 or so years later, albeit without the total display of power that Baggy exhibited. Had Jeff's body remained structurally solid for just a couple more years, his potential for attaining HOF status would be undeniable. I still think he will make it, but, as an Astro, it might be tough...at least for a couple of years.

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« Reply #16 on: May 09, 2008, 09:24:07 pm »

$6/gallon gas is good for the economy.

Actually, I agree, but possibly for different reasons. Like you, my brother is an oil geologist (as was my father; I'm the black sheep), and I'm happy for him because the current situation is good for his business. But the long-term health of our economy clearly depends on diversifying our energy sources, and the (likely) most effective way to accelerate the necessary diversification is to have oil and gas prices rise.
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« Reply #17 on: May 09, 2008, 09:50:02 pm »

$6/gallon gas is good for the economy.



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« Reply #18 on: May 09, 2008, 09:54:34 pm »
Actually, I agree, but possibly for different reasons. Like you, my brother is an oil geologist (as was my father; I'm the black sheep), and I'm happy for him because the current situation is good for his business. But the long-term health of our economy clearly depends on diversifying our energy sources, and the (likely) most effective way to accelerate the necessary diversification is to have oil and gas prices rise.


Bottom line is, people bitch about gas prices, but they're still gobbling it up at a record pace (kind of like beer at the ballpark).  When people quit buying it, the price will go down.  But we're far from the squeal point where people actually can't afford it. 
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« Reply #19 on: May 09, 2008, 09:57:12 pm »

Bottom line is, people bitch about gas prices, but they're still gobbling it up at a record pace (kind of like beer at the ballpark).  When people quit buying it, the price will go down.  But we're far from the squeal point where people actually can't afford it. 



Alot of people buying it are in China and India. Their usage is way up.

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« Reply #20 on: May 09, 2008, 10:01:23 pm »


Alot of people buying it are in China and India. Their usage is way up.

That's undoubtedly true, but every morning during my morning commute the sun is blotted out by the Suburbans, Expeditions, Excursions, and 350s that surround me. All, of course, with one person in them. That needs to change, and $6/gallon gas will do it.
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« Reply #21 on: May 10, 2008, 06:18:34 am »
That's undoubtedly true, but every morning during my morning commute the sun is blotted out by the Suburbans, Expeditions, Excursions, and 350s that surround me. All, of course, with one person in them. That needs to change, and $6/gallon gas will do it.

And those same people are still racing 10 to 15 miles over the speed limit when traffic allows, tailgating and tapping their brakes in a most inefficient manner, with no regard for increased consumption. Then they bitch at the pump about the price. I've slowed down to 55 and 60 on the freeway and people give me looks of contempt as they zoom past. I'm convinced that 90% of all drivers go temporary insane when they get behind the wheel. I've seen petite women turn into raging mad barbarians once inside their ram-rod. It's amazing how a personalty can change within the confines of one's auto.

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« Reply #22 on: May 10, 2008, 09:29:39 am »
...Suburbans, Expeditions, Excursions, and 350s that surround me. All, of course, with one person in them. That needs to change, and $6/gallon gas will do it.

And why does this need to change?
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« Reply #23 on: May 10, 2008, 11:38:22 am »
That's undoubtedly true, but every morning during my morning commute the sun is blotted out by the Suburbans, Expeditions, Excursions, and 350s that surround me. All, of course, with one person in them. That needs to change, and $6/gallon gas will do it.

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« Reply #24 on: May 10, 2008, 12:08:53 pm »
This political energy conservation BS has no place here. Spack?

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« Reply #25 on: May 10, 2008, 12:18:51 pm »
This political BS has no place here. Spack?

Spack?  Are you sure you want him jumping in on your TZ topics?  I thought you guys wanted the TZ to be whatever you wanted it to be?  Ignore the BS if you don't like it.
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« Reply #26 on: May 11, 2008, 02:27:07 pm »
Spack?  Are you sure you want him jumping in on your TZ topics?  I thought you guys wanted the TZ to be whatever you wanted it to be?  Ignore the BS if you don't like it.

I'm willing and able to overlook a lot of crap. However, it's just been my experience that political discussions around here end up with Spack taking a spleen or two.
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« Reply #27 on: May 11, 2008, 10:23:50 pm »


Alot of people buying it are in China and India. Their usage is way up.

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« Reply #28 on: May 12, 2008, 08:19:26 am »
Scary: it's been 14 years. Sure doesn't seem like it.

Those of you with little munchkins make sure that you pay attention to them now, because before you know it, you'll be 14 years down the road and they'll be off on their own.
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« Reply #29 on: May 12, 2008, 09:47:14 am »

Bottom line is, people bitch about gas prices, but they're still gobbling it up at a record pace (kind of like beer at the ballpark).  When people quit buying it, the price will go down.  But we're far from the squeal point where people actually can't afford it. 

How do people quit buying oil and still go to work/school/shops/hospital or do any of the other activities that keep the economy rolling?
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« Reply #30 on: May 12, 2008, 09:49:44 am »
I'm convinced that 90% of all drivers go temporary insane when they get behind the wheel.

I'm convinced that it's not temporary.

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« Reply #31 on: May 12, 2008, 09:50:53 am »
How do people quit buying oil and still go to work/school/shops/hospital or do any of the other activities that keep the economy rolling?

Suddenly communities become a lot smaller and more self-contained.   Does that mean that the standard of living will go down?  Yes.   Not saying that will happen everywhere, but at the lower end of the economy, it will.  Oil consumption will never go to zero (nor will it need to), it will just get too expensive for some segments of the economy.

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« Reply #32 on: May 12, 2008, 09:52:07 am »
i thought this thread was about Berkman and Bagwell?
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« Reply #33 on: May 12, 2008, 09:58:38 am »
Bagwell, 1994: .368/.451/.750
Berkman, 2008: .368/.449/.752

As hot as Lance has been for six weeks, it's scary to remember Bagwell doing that for a full season. Let's hope Lance keeps eating his lucky snackcakes the rest of the year.

wasn't bagwell hitting in the .390's at this point in '94?  i seem to remember him going into a minor slump before the all-star break (or at least relative to where he was).  not that this was the trigger, but i remember it starting after him coming up with the bases loaded in the bottom of the 9th with houston down by a run, and him grounding out or something.

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« Reply #34 on: May 12, 2008, 10:07:24 am »
Suddenly communities become a lot smaller and more self-contained.   Does that mean that the standard of living will go down?  Yes.   Not saying that will happen everywhere, but at the lower end of the economy, it will.  Oil consumption will never go to zero (nor will it need to), it will just get too expensive for some segments of the economy.

This is one way to reduce reliance on oil, yes.  But it also means a complete reversal of the trend towards mega-retailers because their margins won't hold up if they have to service a community with a dozen small locations instead of one big one.  That means that you won't be able to buy a six-pack of jeans for $4.99 any more, which will put a burden on the family budget in another way.

Don't get me wrong, I think that this kind of shift in the economy would be a good thing in the long term.  The new retail structure could support manufacturing locally, rather than in Asia, whereas the current one doesn't - which would reinvigorate the blue collar middle class and give them money to spend on stuff made in the U.S. of A.  But it'll be a slow and very painful process if it happens at all.
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« Reply #35 on: May 12, 2008, 10:09:48 am »
i thought this thread was about Berkman and Bagwell?

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« Reply #36 on: May 12, 2008, 10:12:44 am »
Not when there are lacky Bushnecks to thrash.

Evidently Bagwell used to be able to buy a six pack of jeans for $4.99, and now he can't.

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« Reply #37 on: May 12, 2008, 10:12:57 am »
I'm willing and able to overlook a lot of crap. However, it's just been my experience that political discussions around here end up with Spack taking a spleen or two.

I'm still failing to see the politics here.  We're talking economics.
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« Reply #38 on: May 12, 2008, 10:13:05 am »
This is one way to reduce reliance on oil, yes.  But it also means a complete reversal of the trend towards mega-retailers because their margins won't hold up if they have to service a community with a dozen small locations instead of one big one.  That means that you won't be able to buy a six-pack of jeans for $4.99 any more, which will put a burden on the family budget in another way.

Don't get me wrong, I think that this kind of shift in the economy would be a good thing in the long term.  The new retail structure could support manufacturing locally, rather than in Asia, whereas the current one doesn't - which would reinvigorate the blue collar middle class and give them money to spend on stuff made in the U.S. of A.  But it'll be a slow and very painful process if it happens at all.

Yes, one thing that cheap oil has accomplished is a broad diversification and therefore an explosion of choices for the average consumer.  This has a side-effect of raising the standard of living across the world (obviously there are exceptions).  When all that goes away, there will be pain.   

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« Reply #39 on: May 12, 2008, 10:17:46 am »
I'm still failing to see the politics here.  We're talking economics.

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« Reply #40 on: May 12, 2008, 10:19:32 am »
We're talking the TZ in all it's splendor!

You got something on your collar Noé...queso maybe?

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« Reply #41 on: May 12, 2008, 10:20:13 am »
You got something on your collar Noé...queso maybe?

A little beer will take that right off...

No need, I've got the TZ to help me out!  Thanks...

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« Reply #42 on: May 12, 2008, 10:42:56 am »
Not when there are lacky Bushnecks to thrash.

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« Reply #43 on: May 12, 2008, 10:45:04 am »
Yes. It is spring when every baseball fan's fancy turns to pole smoking and ankle grabbing

Schlong gorvelling is ever popular, too.
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« Reply #44 on: May 12, 2008, 03:52:42 pm »
How do people quit buying oil and still go to work/school/shops/hospital or do any of the other activities that keep the economy rolling?

They don't.  That's the point.
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« Reply #45 on: May 12, 2008, 04:00:53 pm »
They don't.  That's the point.

You were seeming to decry people bitching about gas prices as if they had a choice.  I was just clarifying that gas, for most people, is a necessity and so they will have to buy it if and until a viable alternative is available.  What happens is that people still buy gas, but stop buying other things.  This brings the whole economy to a grinding halt, which fucks everyone.
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« Reply #46 on: May 12, 2008, 04:33:22 pm »
I'm still failing to see the politics here.  We're talking economics.

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« Reply #47 on: May 12, 2008, 05:22:34 pm »
You were seeming to decry people bitching about gas prices as if they had a choice.  I was just clarifying that gas, for most people, is a necessity and so they will have to buy it if and until a viable alternative is available.  What happens is that people still buy gas, but stop buying other things.  This brings the whole economy to a grinding halt, which fucks everyone.


It doesn't bring the economy to a halt.  I'm not saying that everyone will stop using oil, every drop, cold turkey, at the same time, as if turning off a faucet.  I'm saying that people are buying gas with their disposable income.  In fact, people spend less percentage of their income on gas today than they did 20 years ago.  When they stop using gas as a means of entertainment, when they trade in their 6 mpg monstrosities, then the effects of supply/demand will kick in.  But when people can still afford a $75,000 car and drive when they can walk and refuse to slow down and live 40 miles from their place of business, then their complaints about how much gas costs rings a little hollow.
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« Reply #48 on: May 12, 2008, 08:08:49 pm »

It doesn't bring the economy to a halt.  I'm not saying that everyone will stop using oil, every drop, cold turkey, at the same time, as if turning off a faucet.  I'm saying that people are buying gas with their disposable income.  In fact, people spend less percentage of their income on gas today than they did 20 years ago.  When they stop using gas as a means of entertainment, when they trade in their 6 mpg monstrosities, then the effects of supply/demand will kick in.  But when people can still afford a $75,000 car and drive when they can walk and refuse to slow down and live 40 miles from their place of business, then their complaints about how much gas costs rings a little hollow.

Ahhh, now this I agree with.  Cheap gas has given people the choice to not be frugal with it.  But now, for many, it'll be cheaper to park the SUV and drive a Honda.

Reminds me of a Minister of Transport back in the old country under Mrs Thatcher.  He said that everybody wants everyone else to ride public transport so that they could drive to work without traffic.  He had to resign.  He wasn't wrong but, c'mon man!   You're not supposed to say it!
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« Reply #49 on: May 12, 2008, 08:19:54 pm »
Ahhh, now this I agree with.  Cheap gas has given people the choice to not be frugal with it.  But now, for many, it'll be cheaper to park the SUV and drive a Honda.

Reminds me of a Minister of Transport back in the old country under Mrs Thatcher.  He said that everybody wants everyone else to ride public transport so that they could drive to work without traffic.  He had to resign.  He wasn't wrong but, c'mon man!   You're not supposed to say it!

Are you kidding me?  The entire world economy is dependent on Americans grabbing as much crap as they can and sticking it in any open orifice.  And then grabbing up more.  If Americans had a clue about economy the steam engine would be all the rage.

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« Reply #50 on: May 12, 2008, 08:38:49 pm »
If Americans had a clue about economy the steam engine would be all the rage.

They'd buy their kids jeans too large so junior could "grow into" them instead of 'cause it's the fashion.
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« Reply #51 on: May 12, 2008, 08:40:52 pm »
They'd buy their kids jeans too large so junior could "grow into" them instead of 'cause it's the fashion.

Is this still the fashion, or are we complaining about Kriss Kross?

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« Reply #52 on: May 12, 2008, 08:41:22 pm »
They'd buy their kids jeans too large so junior could "grow into" them instead of 'cause it's the fashion.

Where'd all them Chinese peasants and Mauritanian pregnant women be then?

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« Reply #53 on: May 12, 2008, 08:48:15 pm »
Ahhh, now this I agree with.  Cheap gas has given people the choice to not be frugal with it.  But now, for many, it'll be cheaper to park the SUV and drive a Honda.

Reminds me of a Minister of Transport back in the old country under Mrs Thatcher.  He said that everybody wants everyone else to ride public transport so that they could drive to work without traffic.  He had to resign.  He wasn't wrong but, c'mon man!   You're not supposed to say it!

It seems to me that the good old US of A has plenty of oil to be drilled, but it's like nuclear plants, nobody wants them in their back yard.  It couldn't hurt to get some of the stuff out of our own country instead of being held by the balls by the Saudis.  Anwar?  North Dakota?  WTF?  Of course that is the kind of politically incorrect shit that gets politicians in trouble when they suggest it.
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« Reply #54 on: May 12, 2008, 08:55:13 pm »
It seems to me that the good old US of A has plenty of oil to be drilled, but it's like nuclear plants, nobody wants them in their back yard.  It couldn't hurt to get some of the stuff out of our own country instead of being held by the balls by the Saudis.  Anwar?  North Dakota?  WTF?  Of course that is the kind of politically incorrect shit that gets politicians in trouble when they suggest it.

ANWAR has a distribution issue, not to mention there's not as much oil there as they think.  About a million barrels a day, out of 14 billion that the US imports daily.  North Dakota oil has some technical issues and horizontal drilling, who owns what, is going to get slowed down with legal issues.  Estimates are that it'll cost $30/barrel to get it out of the ground, and that doesnt count getting it to a refinery.  None of that has anything to do with "politically incorrect".  What might be politically incorrect is how friendly the US is with Saudi Arabia, and how they can get oil out of the ground, almost indefinitely, for about $2/ barrel.
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« Reply #55 on: May 12, 2008, 09:00:34 pm »
It seems to me that the good old US of A has plenty of oil to be drilled, but it's like nuclear plants, nobody wants them in their back yard.  It couldn't hurt to get some of the stuff out of our own country instead of being held by the balls by the Saudis.  Anwar?  North Dakota?  WTF?  Of course that is the kind of politically incorrect shit that gets politicians in trouble when they suggest it.


The US isn't being held by the balls by the Saudis.  We pay way less for oil/gas in the US than do folks in most places, certainly every place where the oil isn't doled out by the government.  If the Saudis were sticking it to us, gas would be over $10/gallon. 
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« Reply #56 on: May 13, 2008, 08:22:13 am »
Ahhh, now this I agree with.  Cheap gas has given people the choice to not be frugal with it.  But now, for many, it'll be cheaper to park the SUV and drive a Honda.


That is exactly what I have done.  Now if I could just ween myself from my boat.....Not going to happen.

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« Reply #57 on: May 13, 2008, 09:35:39 am »
It seems to me that the good old US of A has plenty of oil to be drilled, but it's like nuclear plants, nobody wants them in their back yard.  It couldn't hurt to get some of the stuff out of our own country instead of being held by the balls by the Saudis.  Anwar?  North Dakota?  WTF?  Of course that is the kind of politically incorrect shit that gets politicians in trouble when they suggest it.

It's a complex matrix of supply, demand and regulation.  The US gets most of its oil from Canada and Mexico, so the importance of Middle Eastern oil to the US, while most definitely a factor, is not such an overriding factor as it may seem from the hyperbole about it.  However, what does happen in the Middle East is supply control to inflate the price, and the war keeps the whole region on edge and causes futures traders to further inflate the already inflated price of oil.

Back home you have a shitty economy that has forced the Fed. to cut interest rates in order to help out domestically, which has caused the currency to tank.  For example, the base rate in the US is 2%, while in Brazil it's 11%.  So, even if oil was not impacted by other supply and stability issues, it would keep getting more expensive in dollar terms, because as the dollar loses value it takes more of 'em to buy a barrel of oil from foreigners.  Even Canadians.

And then you have the refining end of the spectrum, where regulators and NIMBYism have restricted the ability of refiners to increase capacity.  It's true that there hasn't been a new refinery built in the US in decades, but it's also misleading because there has been significant expansion in capacity at existing sites during that time.  Still, it's no where near enough to keep up with demand, so the price at the pump goes up.  Refiners are running on razor thin margins right now.  Eventually the full force of $120/barrel oil will get passed down to us consumers at the pumps, and in the cost of everything else which requires oil to be manufactured, shipped or sold.

Ironically, if we had expanded refinery capacity over the years, gas at the pump may not be any cheaper.  If the price is lower, the demand increases and so the cost of the raw material drives the price again and hey presto it's $4/gallon and the country's infested with refineries.

What to do?  Grab yer ankles and grin and bear it.  The impact of all of this will be felt the worst, as usual, by the less well off.  Those who have a cheap, old car that they have to use to get to work, and which cannot afford to replace but for which they cannot afford the gas.  they'll buy gas because they have to, and not buy other things.  So all the money being sucked up by the price of gas and taken from elsewhere will cause retail sales will suffer, which will hit everywhere.

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