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« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2008, 10:31:32 am »
That is one of the methods the State of Texas (and other states I'm sure) uses to control hogs & coyotes on both public & private land.

I like the planned "infiltration" of the stadium.  Loria might be pleased that somebody is buying tickets.
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« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2008, 10:45:07 am »
Kensing's an Aggie.
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« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2008, 11:13:53 am »
Reminds me of the helicopter scene in Full Metal Jacket for some reason.

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« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2008, 11:18:43 am »
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« Reply #5 on: March 12, 2008, 03:06:57 am »
Kensing's an Aggie.

I'm an Aggie, but I don't enjoy playing Rambo from a helicopter window.  I fail to see your point.
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« Reply #6 on: March 12, 2008, 08:54:19 am »
I'm an Aggie, ...  I fail to see your point.
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« Reply #7 on: March 12, 2008, 08:59:23 am »
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« Reply #8 on: March 12, 2008, 09:21:07 am »
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« Reply #9 on: March 12, 2008, 10:49:24 am »
And....

Just pointing out a more local tie than "he's from Texas." No comment intended.
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« Reply #10 on: March 12, 2008, 06:18:30 pm »
I can't wait until some public official has the nerve to tell these groups to STFU.

Of course he will then be an ex-public official.
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« Reply #11 on: March 12, 2008, 06:23:39 pm »
The comparison to Michael Vick and the dogfighting ring are absolutely asinine.

If what Kensing is doing is legal (and it appears to be) then who the hell are these "activists" to (a) tell the Marlins what they should (b) force Kensing to do during the off-season and with his own property?

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« Reply #12 on: March 12, 2008, 07:53:50 pm »
Just pointing out a more local tie than "he's from Texas." No comment intended.

Cool, thought you were trying to make some toothless hillbilly shootin hogs comparison to all Aggies.  Oh man, I just opened Pandora's box.  Let the Aggie bashing begin!
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« Reply #13 on: March 12, 2008, 10:01:12 pm »
I can't wait until some public official has the nerve to tell these groups to STFU.

Of course he will then be an ex-public official.

I dont know, the sociopath lobby is pretty strong in Florida.

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« Reply #14 on: March 12, 2008, 10:56:17 pm »
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« Reply #15 on: March 13, 2008, 09:31:21 am »
Bring out the hot air balloons and bow and arrows.. then will they complain?

I have no problem with hunting per se.  My father-in-law is a dedicated hunter and I enjoy his daily updates of successes and failures during the seasons.  However, he does it up in Pennsylvania, where he's stalking his prey and has to drag it off the mountain once he's bagged a kill.  That seems sporting to me.  Especially as he is over 60 and has a bum left shoulder.

Sitting in a tree waiting to ambush a deer at a feeder, or cruising by in a helicopter, or moving up on a covey of quail by first opening a car door, just doesn't seem "sporting" to me.  Seems more like "killing", and it makes me a little uncomfortable.
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« Reply #16 on: March 13, 2008, 09:36:06 am »
Cool, thought you were trying to make some toothless hillbilly shootin hogs comparison to all Aggies.  Oh man, I just opened Pandora's box.  Let the Aggie bashing begin!
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« Reply #17 on: March 13, 2008, 09:43:34 am »
Bring out the hot air balloons and bow and arrows.. then will they complain?

This is an interesting question, but I don't have time to get into it.  I'm planning to catch some trout for dinner so I need to get over to the bomb store and pick up some dynamite.

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« Reply #18 on: March 13, 2008, 09:49:01 am »
I have no problem with hunting per se.  My father-in-law is a dedicated hunter and I enjoy his daily updates of successes and failures during the seasons.  However, he does it up in Pennsylvania, where he's stalking his prey and has to drag it off the mountain once he's bagged a kill.  That seems sporting to me.  Especially as he is over 60 and has a bum left shoulder.

Sitting in a tree waiting to ambush a deer at a feeder, or cruising by in a helicopter, or moving up on a covey of quail by first opening a car door, just doesn't seem "sporting" to me.  Seems more like "killing", and it makes me a little uncomfortable.

I don't mean to parse words or challenge one's view of "sporting" but having sat in a deer stand for hours, it's not that easy.  Yes, you sit there but it's usually cold, uncomfortable, and even the slightest noise (cough, fart, you name it) will ruin the day.  Sitting perfectly still and being quiet is no small skill.  Seriously, look at the sheer number of folks who can't sit still for 5 minutes or stay off a friggin' phone.  The other stuff, helicopters and drive by hunting, yeah it seems a little "luxurious".  But baiting prey and not giving away your presence is just as much "hunting" as is "stalking". 

But as near as I can tell, he's not doing this for sport, although he gets a thrill from it (and I can appreciate finding that a little disturbing).   This is land/game management.  Knowing people who run ranches for a business, both of those animals are destructive and will cost them money.  Enough money to justify a helicopter hunt? Maybe not.  But setting steel traps or hunting these animals is preservation of one's investment.  I had a friend in college who got a pretty well-paying job to do this very task as well as coordinate hunting parties for the owner. 

Personally, I've never been quail hunting but it seems the only fun from that is peppering your buddies who sit too close as long as they aren't TOO close (think Dick Cheney hunting incident for guidelines). 
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« Reply #19 on: March 13, 2008, 09:49:01 am »
I have no problem with hunting per se.  My father-in-law is a dedicated hunter and I enjoy his daily updates of successes and failures during the seasons.  However, he does it up in Pennsylvania, where he's stalking his prey and has to drag it off the mountain once he's bagged a kill.  That seems sporting to me.  Especially as he is over 60 and has a bum left shoulder.

Sitting in a tree waiting to ambush a deer at a feeder, or cruising by in a helicopter, or moving up on a covey of quail by first opening a car door, just doesn't seem "sporting" to me.  Seems more like "killing", and it makes me a little uncomfortable.

But he's not killing deer.  He's killing hogs and coyotes.  Hogs are notoriously destructive to property.  Coyotes are such pests that the State of Texas has declared open season on them.
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« Reply #20 on: March 13, 2008, 09:54:32 am »
I have no problem with hunting per se.  My father-in-law is a dedicated hunter and I enjoy his daily updates of successes and failures during the seasons.  However, he does it up in Pennsylvania, where he's stalking his prey and has to drag it off the mountain once he's bagged a kill.  That seems sporting to me.  Especially as he is over 60 and has a bum left shoulder.

Sitting in a tree waiting to ambush a deer at a feeder, or cruising by in a helicopter, or moving up on a covey of quail by first opening a car door, just doesn't seem "sporting" to me.  Seems more like "killing", and it makes me a little uncomfortable.

Then you probably need to stay away from Kensing's pastures.

Seriously, I think some people's ideas of "hunting" stretches the definition of sport too, but the suggestion from the article that Kensing is likely to commit violence against people because he shoots hogs out of a helicopter is absurd and contextually butchers (no pun intended) the "scientific literature" that person references.
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« Reply #21 on: March 13, 2008, 09:55:55 am »
I don't mean to parse words or challenge one's view of "sporting" but having sat in a deer stand for hours, it's not that easy.  Yes, you sit there but it's usually cold, uncomfortable, and even the slightest noise (cough, fart, you name it) will ruin the day.  Sitting perfectly still and being quiet is no small skill.  Seriously, look at the sheer number of folks who can't sit still for 5 minutes or stay off a friggin' phone.  The other stuff, helicopters and drive by hunting, yeah it seems a little "luxurious".  But baiting prey and not giving away your presence is just as much "hunting" as is "stalking". 

But as near as I can tell, he's not doing this for sport, although he gets a thrill from it (and I can appreciate finding that a little disturbing).   This is land/game management.  Knowing people who run ranches for a business, both of those animals are destructive and will cost them money.  Enough money to justify a helicopter hunt? Maybe not.  But setting steel traps or hunting these animals is preservation of one's investment.  I had a friend in college who got a pretty well-paying job to do this very task as well as coordinate hunting parties for the owner. 

Personally, I've never been quail hunting but it seems the only fun from that is peppering your buddies who sit too close as long as they aren't TOO close (think Dick Cheney hunting incident for guidelines). 

To continue parsing words, I believe that in order for shooting a gun at something to be "sporting" it probably should be given a chance to shoot back. Otherwise it's the "sporting" equivalent of banging a tennis ball against a concrete wall, rather than actually playing tennis.
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« Reply #22 on: March 13, 2008, 09:59:18 am »
This is an interesting question, but I don't have time to get into it.  I'm planning to catch some trout for dinner so I need to get over to the bomb store and pick up some dynamite.

According to Kensing he's performing pest control, so I don't think the using dynamite for "fishing" metaphor is well applied in this case.
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« Reply #23 on: March 13, 2008, 10:04:16 am »
or moving up on a covey of quail by first opening a car door, just doesn't seem "sporting" to me.

What about shooting your friend in the face?

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« Reply #24 on: March 13, 2008, 10:04:25 am »
According to Kensing he's performing pest control, so I don't think the using dynamite for "fishing" metaphor is well applied in this case.

Nor was hot air balloons and bows and arrows.  Either he is doing pest control or he's out for a joy ride killin stuff.   

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« Reply #25 on: March 13, 2008, 10:08:45 am »
Either he is doing pest control or he's out for a joy ride killin stuff.   

Both.  He's out for a pest control joy ride.
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« Reply #26 on: March 13, 2008, 10:15:37 am »
I don't hold myself out to be the authority on feral hogs, but I have had considerable experience observing them and killing them since I was a kid.  Outside of most people, they are the smartest animal in the brush and quickly adapt to hunting pressure by going nocturnal.  Standard hunting has a very limited impact, as does trapping (I have done both).  Shooting them from a chopper can have some success on a high fenced ranch, but that requires someone like Kensing who currently has more money than sense and thinks it's fun.  Is it "sporting?"  Probably not.  At the same time, I lose no sleep contemplating their demise.   BTW: some guys run hogs at night with dogs and dispatch them up close with knives.  I'm not included in that group.    
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« Reply #27 on: March 13, 2008, 10:17:59 am »
Outside of most people, they are the smartest animal in the brush and quickly adapt to hunting pressure by going nocturnal.  Standard hunting has a very limited impact, as does trapping.    
As another non-expert, I will nevertheless endorse this statement ... getting rid of a hog infestation is nearly impossible.
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« Reply #28 on: March 13, 2008, 10:19:46 am »
Both.  He's out for a pest control joy ride.

I don't know enough about the situation, but a cursory research into the subject finds that poisioning, trapping, and ground shooting are the most effective methods for managing feral pigs.  Which HAS to be done, these things have no enemies, breed all the time, and eat everything.   "Aerial eradication" is only recommended by professionals as a means to get to large populations in inaccessable areas.  So this guy probably has a lot of swamp land with feral pigs everywhere.  Or, he just likes to shoot at defenseless animals from a helicopter. 

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« Reply #29 on: March 13, 2008, 10:23:39 am »
What about shooting your friend in the face?

It's ok.  The guy apologised for getting his face in the way of Cheney's bird shot.
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« Reply #30 on: March 13, 2008, 10:25:02 am »
But he's not killing deer.  He's killing hogs and coyotes.  Hogs are notoriously destructive to property.  Coyotes are such pests that the State of Texas has declared open season on them.

I don't have a problem with hunting or pest control.  Doing it from a helicopter seems to me to be satisfying some other need that worries me a little.
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« Reply #31 on: March 13, 2008, 10:26:05 am »
Sitting perfectly still and being quiet is no small skill.

See Caminiti, Ken.
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« Reply #32 on: March 13, 2008, 10:27:37 am »
I don't have a problem with hunting or pest control.  Doing it from a helicopter seems to me to be satisfying some other need that worries me a little.

Bah.  He's killing roaches from a go-kart.

He's taking what is essentially a joyless task, and making it a bit more fun.  Is he living out Apocalypse Now fantasies?  Perhaps, but it's his land, and his pest problem.

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« Reply #33 on: March 13, 2008, 10:27:50 am »
I don't know enough about the situation, but a cursory research into the subject finds that poisioning, trapping, and ground shooting are the most effective methods for managing feral pigs.  Which HAS to be done, these things have no enemies, breed all the time, and eat everything.   "Aerial eradication" is only recommended by professionals as a means to get to large populations in inaccessable areas.  So this guy probably has a lot of swamp land with feral pigs everywhere.  Or, he just likes to shoot at defenseless animals from a helicopter. 

Doesn't have to be swamp land either.  The ranch I hunt on has something of a mini-canyon that is virtually useless for actual hunting since it's about impossible to pack out any large dead animal from there.  Point is he probably does have some kind of difficult terrain for hunting.

Also, though I'm sure Taras knows more than me, having been scouted by coyotes they're damned smart animals.
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« Reply #34 on: March 13, 2008, 10:28:30 am »
I don't hold myself out to be the authority on feral hogs, but I have had considerable experience observing them and killing them since I was a kid.  Outside of most people, they are the smartest animal in the brush and quickly adapt to hunting pressure by going nocturnal.  Standard hunting has a very limited impact, as does trapping (I have done both).  Shooting them from a chopper can have some success on a high fenced ranch, but that requires someone like Kensing who currently has more money than sense and thinks it's fun.  Is it "sporting?"  Probably not.  At the same time, I lose no sleep contemplating their demise.   BTW: some guys run hogs at night with dogs and dispatch them up close with knives.  I'm not included in that group.   

I've only seen the damage they can do during rutting season.  I saw a cattle pen/gate obliterated by wild pigs.  And I've been told wild hogs will tear you up so those guys who dispatch them up close with knives?  They are insane.
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« Reply #35 on: March 13, 2008, 10:28:34 am »
I don't have a problem with hunting or pest control.  Doing it from a helicopter seems to me to be satisfying some other need that worries me a little.

It is not difficult to imagine him blasting "Ride of the Valkyries" as he approaches the beasts.
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« Reply #36 on: March 13, 2008, 10:29:30 am »
Doing it from a helicopter seems to me to be satisfying some other need that worries me a little.

He seems to like it.  But there is some terrain that leaves standard ground-based hunting useless.
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« Reply #37 on: March 13, 2008, 10:29:53 am »
And I've been told wild hogs will tear you up so those guys who dispatch them up close with knives?  They are insane.

See, now that actually sounds "sporting."
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« Reply #38 on: March 13, 2008, 10:32:02 am »
He seems to like it.  But there is some terrain that leaves standard ground-based hunting useless.

Understood, which is why my post was full of equivocation.  Some animals need killin' and some people are walking around only because it's against the law to kill them.
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« Reply #39 on: March 13, 2008, 10:32:47 am »
See, now that actually sounds "sporting."

I'm going to kill the termites in my house by sucking them out of the framing one by one, dressing them in tiny para-military gear, and offering them fire-arms.

Because it would be more sporting.

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« Reply #40 on: March 13, 2008, 10:36:17 am »
Understood, which is why my post was full of equivocation.  Some animals need killin' and some people are walking around only because it's against the law to kill them.

Poachers, which is a whole 'nother discussion, are pests that need to be eradicated as well.  Legally.
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« Reply #41 on: March 13, 2008, 10:36:42 am »
I'm going to kill the termites in my house by sucking them out of the framing one by one, dressing them in tiny para-military gear, and offering them fire-arms.

Because it would be more sporting.

I bet you could even sell the TV rights for that. I would watch.
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« Reply #42 on: March 13, 2008, 10:38:52 am »
BTW: some guys run hogs at night with dogs and dispatch them up close with knives.  I'm not included in that group.    

I've been on a handfull of these excursions and it's insane. Everyone from the hog to the ranch hands end up bleeding and many hogs escape. The life expectancy of a hog dog is equal to that of a deck hand aboard a commercial boat fishing in the Bering Sea.
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« Reply #43 on: March 13, 2008, 10:42:36 am »
BTW: some guys run hogs at night with dogs and dispatch them up close with knives.  I'm not included in that group.
My cowboy cousin from Nac took me on a couple of their nighttime hog runs.  They didn't kill 'em, though:  roped & tied, then penned, then sold to restaurants.  Think of that next time you see 'wild boar' on the menu.
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« Reply #44 on: March 13, 2008, 10:45:10 am »
I have no problem with hunting per se.  My father-in-law is a dedicated hunter and I enjoy his daily updates of successes and failures during the seasons.  However, he does it up in Pennsylvania, where he's stalking his prey and has to drag it off the mountain once he's bagged a kill.  That seems sporting to me.  Especially as he is over 60 and has a bum left shoulder.

Sitting in a tree waiting to ambush a deer at a feeder, or cruising by in a helicopter, or moving up on a covey of quail by first opening a car door, just doesn't seem "sporting" to me.  Seems more like "killing", and it makes me a little uncomfortable.

It is killing.  If you had any idea how much damage Feral Hogs did to ones property, you might not be as uncomfortable.

Nevermind...looks to have been covered.
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« Reply #45 on: March 13, 2008, 10:47:52 am »
I've only seen the damage they can do during rutting season.  I saw a cattle pen/gate obliterated by wild pigs.  And I've been told wild hogs will tear you up so those guys who dispatch them up close with knives?  They are insane.

Hogs are tearing up the very nice lawns in Jester Estates off 2222 in Austin.  Some of those residents are reconsidering their PETA memberships.

Yes, they can put the hurt on you but that would be a rare event.  The most dangerous aspect of the hog situation that I have found is executing them when they're in a hog trap.  It's grim business and a richochet from a stray bullet off the rebar gives me the most worries.  Usually, one hog will take it upon itself to be the designated badass of the group in the trap and will repeatedly charge at your direction.  You have to anticipate it slamming itself against the bars in order that he doesn't knock the pistol or rifle out of your hand (You have to make sure the barrel is inside the trap, otherwise you will accidentally shoot the bar and will more likely take the bullet rather than the intended target).  Sound like fun?  I'd just as soon never have to mess with them again.

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« Reply #46 on: March 13, 2008, 10:52:36 am »
I'm going to kill the termites in my house by sucking them out of the framing one by one, dressing them in tiny para-military gear, and offering them fire-arms.

Because it would be more sporting.

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« Reply #47 on: March 13, 2008, 10:53:57 am »
I wonder how many animals he is really killing. Shooting at a moving target from a moving aircraft and actually hitting it is extremely difficult and takes skill and practice both in large measures; and that's using an automatic weapon. Assuming that he is using single shot or semi-automatic and factoring in the stop/start zig/zag evasive action that the target is taking, hitting it, much less killing it, is virtually impossible. It sounds like to me like he is just out low-leveling and taking random pot shots. Perhaps beer is somehow implicated.
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« Reply #48 on: March 13, 2008, 10:57:58 am »
I'm going to kill the termites in my house by sucking them out of the framing one by one, dressing them in tiny para-military gear, and offering them fire-arms.

Because it would be more sporting.

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« Reply #49 on: March 13, 2008, 11:06:06 am »
I wonder how many animals he is really killing. Shooting at a moving target from a moving aircraft and actually hitting it is extremely difficult and takes skill and practice both in large measures; and that's using an automatic weapon. Assuming that he is using single shot or semi-automatic and factoring in the stop/start zig/zag evasive action that the target is taking, hitting it, much less killing it, is virtually impossible. It sounds like to me like he is just out low-leveling and taking random pot shots. Perhaps beer is somehow implicated.

I'd bet he flies around imagining himself to be Stringfellow Hawk killing those evil pigs in Airwolf.
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« Reply #50 on: March 13, 2008, 11:06:31 am »
Hogs are tearing up the very nice lawns in Jester Estates off 2222 in Austin.  Some of those residents are reconsidering their PETA memberships.

Yes, they can put the hurt on you but that would be a rare event.  The most dangerous aspect of the hog situation that I have found is executing them when they're in a hog trap.  It's grim business and a richochet from a stray bullet off the rebar gives me the most worries.  Usually, one hog will take it upon itself to be the designated badass of the group in the trap and will repeatedly charge at your direction.  You have to anticipate it slamming itself against the bars in order that he doesn't knock the pistol or rifle out of your hand (You have to make sure the barrel is inside the trap, otherwise you will accidentally shoot the bar and will more likely take the bullet rather than the intended target).  Sound like fun?  I'd just as soon never have to mess with them again.



Lawns, I hope, are not enough concern to kill an animal over.  But admittedly, that's my opinion.  They are a virulent animal spreading like wildfire.  I was also informed they will go after livestock when food is scarce or we're in one of our inevitable droughts. 

Either way, I'm glad it's not my job and I definitely wouldn't see that as sport or hunting.  It's work, in my mind.  How you go about it , though, does say alot. 

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Personally, I'm not an avid hunter, although I've been taken out on a hunt before.  I can't shoot worth a damn, not that my noise making would of allowed for anything to shoot at, so it's not my hobby of choice.  I don't deny the right of those who do hunt, son long as it's within the law and in a responsible manner.  Poachers and night hunters using lights to blind the animal have their own special place waiting for them in hell, imo. 
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« Reply #51 on: March 13, 2008, 11:10:46 am »
I've been on a handfull of these excursions and it's insane. Everyone from the hog to the ranch hands end up bleeding and many hogs escape. The life expectancy of a hog dog is equal to that of a deck hand aboard a commercial boat fishing in the Bering Sea.

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« Reply #52 on: March 13, 2008, 11:13:17 am »
Feral hog is good eatin'.
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« Reply #53 on: March 13, 2008, 11:18:23 am »

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As far as your notion that the animals should have guns to make it "sporting", what a bunch of liberal nonsense.  I hope it's my sarc-o-meter that's off and you are just having fun.  If you truly believe that, I hope you are a vegan and don't wear leather shoes or sport any kind of leather clothing because the only thing that follows arrogance/ignorance is hypocrisy.  Most hunters eat the food they kill, at least the ones I know, and telling them it's immoral or cowardly might just earn you a well deserved ass-beatin'. 

I don't see what my meals or clothes have to do with my appreciation of sport.

I've got nothing against hunting and I've gone a few times myself (generally cold and boring sums it up for me). It's a perfectly reasonable pastime. It just doesn't have that same level of direct competition intrinsic in sports to justify calling it that. Like I said, I was parsing the term.

Also, why would the obviously nonsensical notion of arming animals be "liberal" nonsense?
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« Reply #54 on: March 13, 2008, 11:20:52 am »
I wonder how many animals he is really killing. Shooting at a moving target from a moving aircraft and actually hitting it is extremely difficult and takes skill and practice both in large measures; and that's using an automatic weapon. Assuming that he is using single shot or semi-automatic and factoring in the stop/start zig/zag evasive action that the target is taking, hitting it, much less killing it, is virtually impossible. It sounds like to me like he is just out low-leveling and taking random pot shots. Perhaps beer is somehow implicated.

If he doesnt have a 30 caliber mounted up there, or alternately using a bazooka, he's just messing around.

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« Reply #55 on: March 13, 2008, 11:21:50 am »
Lawns, I hope, are not enough concern to kill an animal over.  But admittedly, that's my opinion.  They are a virulent animal spreading like wildfire.  I was also informed they will go after livestock when food is scarce or we're in one of our inevitable droughts. 

Either way, I'm glad it's not my job and I definitely wouldn't see that as sport or hunting.  It's work, in my mind.  How you go about it , though, does say alot. 

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As far as your notion that the animals should have guns to make it "sporting", what a bunch of liberal nonsense.  I hope it's my sarc-o-meter that's off and you are just having fun.  If you truly believe that, I hope you are a vegan and don't wear leather shoes or sport any kind of leather clothing because the only thing that follows arrogance/ignorance is hypocrisy.  Most hunters eat the food they kill, at least the ones I know, and telling them it's immoral or cowardly might just earn you a well deserved ass-beatin'. 

Personally, I'm not an avid hunter, although I've been taken out on a hunt before.  I can't shoot worth a damn, not that my noise making would of allowed for anything to shoot at, so it's not my hobby of choice.  I don't deny the right of those who do hunt, son long as it's within the law and in a responsible manner.  Poachers and night hunters using lights to blind the animal have their own special place waiting for them in hell, imo. 

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« Reply #56 on: March 13, 2008, 11:37:52 am »
Also, why would the obviously nonsensical notion of arming animals be "liberal" nonsense?

Oh, I made the mistake of watching some HBO Documentary on one of the PETA Co-founders.  Anyway, one of the "enlightened" PETA leaders made a similar comment to arming animals to make it more fair between hunters and their prey.  Absent a political agenda, it's pretty damn funny.  Add in a political agenda, it doesn't strike me as funny so much as stupid.  I'm more along your lines.  I didn't enjoy hunting much, found it pretty boring.  But I sure do like venison and duck, and I'm betting feral hog is pretty good too, if cooked right. 


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« Reply #57 on: March 13, 2008, 11:41:19 am »
Oh, I made the mistake of watching some HBO Documentary on one of the PETA Co-founders.  Anyway, one of the "enlightened" PETA leaders made a similar comment to arming animals to make it more fair between hunters and their prey.  Absent a political agenda, it's pretty damn funny.  Add in a political agenda, it doesn't strike me as funny so much as stupid.  I'm more along your lines.  I didn't enjoy hunting much, found it pretty boring.  But I sure do like venison and duck, and I'm betting feral hog is pretty good too, if cooked right. 


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« Reply #58 on: March 13, 2008, 11:54:32 am »
This is a good topic to invoke life's ignore button, except now you almost can't.  The activists must not have anything better to do.  WFW

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« Reply #59 on: March 13, 2008, 11:58:08 am »
This is a good topic to invoke life's ignore button, except now you almost can't.  The activists must not have anything better to do.  WFW

They clearly feel strongly on the subject; some people get that worked up about buildings, cars and sports.

I am of the opinion that not every opinion deserves equal consideration.  Including this one.

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« Reply #61 on: March 13, 2008, 12:20:23 pm »
The often-posed notion of arming animals to make hunting more sporting always makes me think of this comic called Preacher. To keep it brief, a really tough strong man ends up in a large pit fighting a really big gorilla. Spectators throw in a couple of baseball bats, and while the gorilla is examining his bat with curiosity, the man proceeds to beat the holy living crap out of the gorilla.

Besides, the whole idea is faulty. In the "sport" of hunting, the prey's goal is not to kill the hunter. It's goal is to survive. And if a hunter is in a moving helicopter and you have four legs and the ability to turn on a dime, I would have to say you have a pretty "sporting" chance of realizing your goal. To sort of get this back to the topic of baseball, the offense is trying to score runs. The defense is trying to prevent runs from being scored. I realize that they alternate these roles, but within the bounds of a half-inning, the analogy holds up.

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« Reply #62 on: March 13, 2008, 12:32:36 pm »
The often-posed notion of arming animals to make hunting more sporting always makes me think of this comic called Preacher. To keep it brief, a really tough strong man ends up in a large pit fighting a really big gorilla. Spectators throw in a couple of baseball bats, and while the gorilla is examining his bat with curiosity, the man proceeds to beat the holy living crap out of the gorilla.

Besides, the whole idea is faulty. In the "sport" of hunting, the prey's goal is not to kill the hunter. It's goal is to survive. And if a hunter is in a moving helicopter and you have four legs and the ability to turn on a dime, I would have to say you have a pretty "sporting" chance of realizing your goal. To sort of get this back to the topic of baseball, the offense is trying to score runs. The defense is trying to prevent runs from being scored. I realize that they alternate these roles, but within the bounds of a half-inning, the analogy holds up.

And, of course, some animals are armed (I like how the article tries to draw a distinction between "food" and "divers" in the water).
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« Reply #63 on: March 13, 2008, 04:00:10 pm »
As long as the kill is made as cleanly as possible, the method has never really mattered to me.  The animal is dead regardless of whether it was shot under a feeder or stalked for 3 hours.  I've never really gotten caught up in the sporting aspect of it.  I see no problem with using all available technology.
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« Reply #64 on: March 13, 2008, 04:05:47 pm »
As long as the kill is made as cleanly as possible, the method has never really mattered to me.  The animal is dead regardless of whether it was shot under a feeder or stalked for 3 hours.  I've never really gotten caught up in the sporting aspect of it.  I see no problem with using all available technology.

I think there's a sliding scale starting with "necessity", moving through "sport" on to "bloodlust".  It's just like driving a car: everyone thinks they drive at the perfect speed, that anyone driving faster is a maniac and anyone driving slower is an asshole.
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« Reply #65 on: March 13, 2008, 04:16:05 pm »
That's probably true.  Hunting has always been a big deal in my family and I grew up doing it.  It's not that I've been desensitized because I don't like watching animals suffer.  I also don't have a problem with hunting and killing them.
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« Reply #66 on: March 14, 2008, 04:45:12 pm »
What's the protocol for hunting (sh)IT staff who crash your server, corrupt or lose all your data and then tell you that the "automatic" nightly back-up last ran 3 months ago?  Unless anyone has any better suggestions, the options from this thread seem to be:

1)  Lay out a stack of comic books and twinkies; take them out from cover with a high powered rifle;

2)  Hose them down with a minigun from a helicopter; or

3)  Track them with dogs and then use knives for the close up kill.

FWIW, clean kills and minimal suffering are a low priority.

Thanks in advance.
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« Reply #67 on: March 14, 2008, 04:46:53 pm »
What's the protocol for hunting (sh)IT staff who crash your server, corrupt or lose all your data and then tell you that the "automatic" nightly back-up last ran 3 months ago?  Unless anyone has any better suggestions, the options from this thread seem to be:

1)  Lay out a stack of comic books and twinkies; take them out from cover with a high powered rifle;

2)  Hose them down with a minigun from a helicopter; or

3)  Track them with dogs and then use knives for the close up kill.

FWIW, clean kills and minimal suffering are a low priority.

Thanks in advance.

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« Reply #68 on: March 14, 2008, 04:52:20 pm »
What's the protocol for hunting (sh)IT staff who crash your server, corrupt or lose all your data and then tell you that the "automatic" nightly back-up last ran 3 months ago?  Unless anyone has any better suggestions, the options from this thread seem to be:

1)  Lay out a stack of comic books and twinkies; take them out from cover with a high powered rifle;

2)  Hose them down with a minigun from a helicopter; or

3)  Track them with dogs and then use knives for the close up kill.

FWIW, clean kills and minimal suffering are a low priority.

Thanks in advance.

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« Reply #69 on: March 14, 2008, 04:53:16 pm »
Nuke em from orbit.

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« Reply #70 on: March 14, 2008, 04:55:30 pm »
What's the protocol for hunting (sh)IT staff who crash your server, corrupt or lose all your data and then tell you that the "automatic" nightly back-up last ran 3 months ago?  Unless anyone has any better suggestions, the options from this thread seem to be:

1)  Lay out a stack of comic books and twinkies; take them out from cover with a high powered rifle;

2)  Hose them down with a minigun from a helicopter; or

3)  Track them with dogs and then use knives for the close up kill.

FWIW, clean kills and minimal suffering are a low priority.

Thanks in advance.

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« Reply #71 on: March 14, 2008, 04:56:02 pm »
That sucks.  There's absolutely no excuse for not verifying backups. 
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« Reply #72 on: March 14, 2008, 04:57:51 pm »
Sounds like you should be able to take 'em out by your choice in the unemployment line.

I wish.  The outsourcing nightmare means that none of these fuckers work for my company.  The Homer wannabe here was picked by a company who gets a contract from a goon who works for the company that we outsourced IT to...in India.  Homer will get reassigned to some other unsuspecting client and we'll get an equally incompetent replacement.  Meanwhile, no one will do anything about the general malaise because no one wants to admit that it's been a rolling clusterfuck ever since they outsourced IT.
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« Reply #73 on: March 14, 2008, 05:00:02 pm »
That sucks.  There's absolutely no excuse for not verifying backups. 

Sure there are:  laziness & incompetence.  They're just not good excuses.
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« Reply #74 on: March 14, 2008, 05:00:09 pm »
I wish.  The outsourcing nightmare means that none of these fuckers work for my company.  The Homer wannabe here was picked by a company who gets a contract from a goon who works for the company that we outsourced IT to...in India.  Homer will get reassigned to some other unsuspecting client and we'll get an equally incompetent replacement.  Meanwhile, no one will do anything about the general malaise because no one wants to admit that it's been a rolling clusterfuck ever since they outsourced IT.
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« Reply #76 on: March 14, 2008, 05:02:58 pm »
I wish.  The outsourcing nightmare means that none of these fuckers work for my company.  The Homer wannabe here was picked by a company who gets a contract from a goon who works for the company that we outsourced IT to...in India.  Homer will get reassigned to some other unsuspecting client and we'll get an equally incompetent replacement.  Meanwhile, no one will do anything about the general malaise because no one wants to admit that it's been a rolling clusterfuck ever since they outsourced IT.

That would require either a. someone in management admits they made a mistake or b. finding someone not in management to blame the mistake on.   Outsourcing critical data functions is an awesome idea.  Anyone can do that stuff right?

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« Reply #77 on: March 14, 2008, 05:03:10 pm »
That sucks.  There's absolutely no excuse for not verifying backups. 

Better.  We told them repeatedly that we don't think it's backing up properly.  The tape drive never showed the appropriate indicators.  It took three months to get India to direct their resident thromb to go look at it, and when he finally did, he simply yanked one of the components out because the lights were "funny".  Our network went down and, a day and a half later, has been taken off life support.  Turns out that brain boy has no experience with servers.
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« Reply #78 on: March 14, 2008, 05:04:40 pm »
Need a new IT guy at your work?

I know just the guy!  He's a bit daft (likes to dress like a super hero) but he's got quite a way with computers.  He also doesn't care if you screw off on message boards all day, so long as you're not looking at porn...

What's the protocol for hunting (sh)IT staff who crash your server, corrupt or lose all your data and then tell you that the "automatic" nightly back-up last ran 3 months ago?  Unless anyone has any better suggestions, the options from this thread seem to be:

1)  Lay out a stack of comic books and twinkies; take them out from cover with a high powered rifle;

2)  Hose them down with a minigun from a helicopter; or

3)  Track them with dogs and then use knives for the close up kill.

FWIW, clean kills and minimal suffering are a low priority.

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« Reply #79 on: March 14, 2008, 05:06:01 pm »
Need a new IT guy at your work?

We're a Fortune 100 company, and we need an entire IT Department!
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« Reply #80 on: March 14, 2008, 05:07:21 pm »
The most sensible and pacifist thing to do would be gently and humanely capture all the wild hogs in South Texas and then release them in Palm Beach County, where they will be safe.

There is a type of dog specifically bred for running down feral pigs in open brushland, I think they are called Argentine Doga.  Weird-ass looking dogs; they hunt in groups and corner the hog and keep him occupied until their owner hopefully arrives and dispatches Mr. Porky Pestilence to hog heaven.

I'll second or third that they are good eating; and also are no fun, especially if one is crawling on all fours down a "hog burrow" through thick underbrush with a Kabar knife in one's teeth and not much else (something I was talked into), and then the owner of said burrow suddenly appears.  The people I was with, if everything worked out right, would disable the hog by slitting a tendon in its hock, then bring it home to a corral and fatten it up on corn before making spare ribs out of it.  That's so much different than how "domestic" pork is processed.
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« Reply #81 on: March 14, 2008, 05:46:55 pm »
Good backup software generates a report every time a backup job is run.  It tells you how long it took and if there were problems, it even specifies the files that didn't get backed up.  These reports can be automatically emailed to make checking them everyday a 10 second process.  The software isn't even expensive.
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« Reply #82 on: March 14, 2008, 08:03:40 pm »
Good backup software generates a report every time a backup job is run.  It tells you how long it took and if there were problems, it even specifies the files that didn't get backed up.  These reports can be automatically emailed to make checking them everyday a 10 second process.  The software isn't even expensive.

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« Reply #83 on: March 15, 2008, 12:38:44 am »
And, of course, some animals are armed (I like how the article tries to draw a distinction between "food" and "divers" in the water).

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« Reply #84 on: March 17, 2008, 10:59:13 am »
Well, some software is expensive.  A good IT person though, is worth their weight in gold.  Unfortunately, most places treat them like unnecessary expenses.... until something like this happens.

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« Reply #85 on: March 17, 2008, 11:59:12 am »
See Caminiti, Ken.

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