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Who is Garner Protecting?
« on: December 13, 2007, 02:48:15 pm »
From page 76 of the Mitchell Report (124 of PDF file):
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Similarly, in an article that appeared in early August, days before stories first
appeared about Mark McGwire’s use of androstenedione, then-Milwaukee Brewers manager Phil
Garner told a reporter of his first-hand knowledge of a player’s steroid use:

There was one kid, 27, who was cycling steroids, and I asked him, ‘Do
you realize you could need an artificial heart when you’re 40 years
old?’. . . He said, ‘I don’t care what happens at 40. All I want to do is be
the biggest, baddest, guy I can be right now.’

In his interview with our investigation, Garner acknowledged that he had known one major
league player who used steroids while playing for him, but Garner refused to identify the player
because it was more than five years prior to the interview and Garner did not believe it was
necessary for this investigation to look that far back in time.

Could it be Julio Franco (1997 Brewers)?
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Re: Who is Garner Protecting?
« Reply #1 on: December 13, 2007, 02:49:43 pm »
Geoff Jenkins?

eta:  Jenkins wasn't even in the majors in '97 so never mind
« Last Edit: December 13, 2007, 02:51:33 pm by S.P. Rodriguez »
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Re: Who is Garner Protecting?
« Reply #2 on: December 13, 2007, 02:50:28 pm »
Julio Franco was hardly a 27 year old kid 10 years ago.
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Re: Who is Garner Protecting?
« Reply #3 on: December 13, 2007, 02:51:09 pm »
Quote from: astrox on December 13, 2007, 02:48:15 pm
Could it be Julio Franco (1997 Brewers)?

Wasn't Julio Franco 48 in 1997?

Just kidding, of course.  He was 39 though, according to his listed DOB of 8/23/58... well over 27.
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« Reply #4 on: December 13, 2007, 02:55:17 pm »
Quote from: S.P. Rodriguez on December 13, 2007, 02:49:43 pm
Geoff Jenkins?

23 in 1997, and not on MIL yet.

Around 27, on the 1997 MIL roster:

Dave Nilsson
Fernando Vina
Jeff Cirillo
Jose Valentin
Jeromy Burnitz
Kelly Stinnett
Ron Villone
Bryce Florie
Angel Miranda
Mike Misuraca

I say "around" because I'm not sure how b-r.com calculates age, and at what point that player was supposed to be 27... these are the 27-28 year olds.
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Re: Who is Garner Protecting?
« Reply #5 on: December 13, 2007, 02:56:53 pm »
Quote from: Matt on December 13, 2007, 02:50:28 pm
Julio Franco was hardly a 27 year old kid 20 years ago.

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Re: Who is Garner Protecting?
« Reply #6 on: December 13, 2007, 02:57:56 pm »
27 year olds on the Brewers during the 97 season as per baseball reference:

Dave Nilsson
Jeff Cirillo
Jose Valentin
Kelly Stinnett
Bryce Florie
Angel Miranda
and
Ron Villone
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Re: Who is Garner Protecting?
« Reply #7 on: December 13, 2007, 02:59:45 pm »
Quote from: Jacksonian on December 13, 2007, 02:57:56 pm
27 year olds on the Brewers during the 97 season as per baseball reference:

Dave Nilsson
Jeff Cirillo
Jose Valentin
Kelly Stinnett
Bryce Florie
Angel Miranda
and
Ron Villone
Now to pick out the biggest, baddest guy....
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Re: Who is Garner Protecting?
« Reply #8 on: December 13, 2007, 03:00:19 pm »
Quote from: HurricaneDavid on December 13, 2007, 02:55:17 pm
23 in 1997, and not on MIL yet.

Around 27, on the 1997 MIL roster:

Dave Nilsson
Fernando Vina
Jeff Cirillo
Jose Valentin
Jeromy Burnitz
Kelly Stinnett
Ron Villone
Bryce Florie
Angel Miranda
Mike Misuraca

I say "around" because I'm not sure how b-r.com calculates age, and at what point that player was supposed to be 27... these are the 27-28 year olds.

Wasn't Ron Villone named elsewhere in the report? Could be him.
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Re: Who is Garner Protecting?
« Reply #9 on: December 13, 2007, 03:01:31 pm »
Quote from: jasonact on December 13, 2007, 03:00:19 pm
Wasn't Ron Villone named elsewhere in the report? Could be him.
He was named in the report.
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Re: Who is Garner Protecting?
« Reply #10 on: December 13, 2007, 03:01:33 pm »
Quote from: jasonact on December 13, 2007, 03:00:19 pm
Wasn't Ron Villone named elsewhere in the report? Could be him.

As was Vina.
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Re: Who is Garner Protecting?
« Reply #11 on: December 13, 2007, 03:02:22 pm »
Quote from: HurricaneDavid on December 13, 2007, 02:51:09 pm
Wasn't Julio Franco 48 in 1997?

Just kidding, of course.  He was 39 though, according to his listed DOB of 8/23/58... well over 27.

Albert Pooholes was 27 ten years ago.
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« Reply #12 on: December 13, 2007, 03:03:34 pm »
Quote from: MusicMan on December 13, 2007, 03:01:33 pm
As was Vina.

Am I the only one for whom the name Burnitz leaped off the page?
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« Reply #13 on: December 13, 2007, 03:03:59 pm »
I'm happy Vina got popped.
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« Reply #14 on: December 13, 2007, 03:04:26 pm »
Quote from: kevwun on December 13, 2007, 03:03:59 pm
I'm happy Vina got popped.

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Re: Who is Garner Protecting?
« Reply #15 on: December 13, 2007, 03:04:49 pm »
Quote from: kevwun on December 13, 2007, 03:03:59 pm
I'm happy Vina got popped.

And he works for ESPN.  Talk about having an inside story!
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« Reply #16 on: December 13, 2007, 03:05:40 pm »
Quote from: Limey on December 13, 2007, 03:04:26 pm
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Re: Who is Garner Protecting?
« Reply #17 on: December 13, 2007, 03:18:39 pm »
Quote from: Matt on December 13, 2007, 02:50:28 pm
Julio Franco was hardly a 27 year old kid 10 years ago.

The way I read that was the 27 year old and the "major league player" were two different players.
« Last Edit: December 13, 2007, 03:21:14 pm by astrox »
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« Reply #18 on: December 13, 2007, 03:19:48 pm »
Quote from: Noe in Austin on December 13, 2007, 03:04:49 pm
And he works for ESPN.  Talk about having an inside story!

I was wondering if he will be let go after this. Likewise Justice on YES.

For purely selfish reasons, I hope so. I hate looking at that piss-ant backstreet boy.
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Re: Who is Garner Protecting?
« Reply #19 on: December 13, 2007, 06:52:11 pm »
Quote from: astrox on December 13, 2007, 03:18:39 pm
The way I read that was the 27 year old and the "major league player" were two different players.
Seems to me they're one and the same, hence the report's reference to those specific Garner quotes.

Does it actually say, though, that Garner had this conversation with the player in 1997? Could it have been earlier?
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« Reply #20 on: December 13, 2007, 08:18:51 pm »
Out of that list there are two named in the report (vina, villone), but Burnitz jumped out as well.

In the report Villone paid in cash and seemed to be more covert about things. Vina never was or could be the biggest or baddest ass at anything. Vina probably started after Albert Belle cracked him Chuck Zito style.

So I'd say Burnitz.
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« Reply #21 on: December 13, 2007, 08:46:58 pm »
Cirillo is my vote.  had a good year in 96 than started tailing off esp. in power despite moving to Coor's field.
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« Reply #22 on: December 13, 2007, 08:52:47 pm »
Any reason why Burnitz's name jumps out to you guys?
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« Reply #23 on: December 14, 2007, 02:14:38 am »
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Re: Who is Garner Protecting?
« Reply #24 on: December 14, 2007, 09:58:10 am »
Quote from: Reuben on December 13, 2007, 06:52:11 pm
Seems to me they're one and the same, hence the report's reference to those specific Garner quotes.

Does it actually say, though, that Garner had this conversation with the player in 1997? Could it have been earlier?

No, Garner said that the incidnet occurred over 5 years ago, so it could be anybody between his time w/ the Brewers or Tigers ('92 - '02).
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