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[MusicMan]

Not that we didn't all know this already, but I, for one, appreciate pravata's hard work in documenting the fact that JdO is in the bottom 4% of all baseball journalists.

[Ty in Tampa]

Not that we didn't all know this already, but I, for one, appreciate pravata's hard work in documenting the fact that JdO is in the bottom 4% of all baseball journalists.

So can we add "4%er" alongside "3%er" to the Funk and Wagner?

[pravata]

Not that we didn't all know this already, but I, for one, appreciate pravata's hard work in documenting the fact that JdO is in the bottom 4% of all baseball journalists.

"bottom 4%" is an excellent way to say it.  Thanks.

[Jacksonian]

"bottom 4%" is an excellent way to say it.  Thanks.

I just want to be clear.  Bottom 4% is different from bottom feeder, right?

[pravata]

I just want to be clear.  Bottom 4% is different from bottom feeder, right?

Just to be clear, no, no it's not.

[astrojo]

"bottom 4%" is an excellent way to say it.  Thanks.

When I order a really good espresso or cuban coffee, and this is really good coffee, I leave the bottom 4% in the demitasse because it will inevitably leave a bad taste in my mouth, thereby ruining the entire cup...

[JackAstro]

When I order a really good espresso or cuban coffee, and this is really good coffee, I leave the bottom 4% in the demitasse because it will inevitably leave a bad taste in my mouth, thereby ruining the entire cup...

Best metaphor of the day. You'd normally get best of the week for that, but Jim already had it sewn up.

[jasonact]

I still don't get what the big deal is. Okay. Fine. It's referred to by an Arabic numeral in the rule book. Why is that sole fact important? It's not like "Rule V" refers to anything different than "Rule 5" or "Rule Five" or "Rule ||||"

And besides, I prefer typing "Rule V" because of the aesthetic value. "V" simply looks better than "5". Paintings and music have been created about "V" (see Georgia O'Keefe). The "5" is ugly, utilitarian. It's gets the job done, but where's the flair? Where's the panache? Where's the artistry?? That's what "V" brings. Long live "Rule V"!!

[Anit]

you mean hes in the bottom IV% ?

[VirtualBob]

I still don't get what the big deal is. Okay. Fine. It's referred to by an Arabic numeral in the rule book. Why is that sole fact important? It's not like "Rule V" refers to anything different than "Rule 5" or "Rule Five" or "Rule ||||"

And besides, I prefer typing "Rule V" because of the aesthetic value. "V" simply looks better than "5". Paintings and music have been created about "V" (see Georgia O'Keefe). The "5" is ugly, utilitarian. It's gets the job done, but where's the flair? Where's the panache? Where's the artistry?? That's what "V" brings. Long live "Rule V"!!

You have too much time on your hands.

[pravata]

I still don't get what the big deal is. Okay. Fine. It's referred to by an Arabic numeral in the rule book. Why is that sole fact important? It's not like "Rule V" refers to anything different than "Rule 5" or "Rule Five" or "Rule ||||"

And besides, I prefer typing "Rule V" because of the aesthetic value. "V" simply looks better than "5". Paintings and music have been created about "V" (see Georgia O'Keefe). The "5" is ugly, utilitarian. It's gets the job done, but where's the flair? Where's the panache? Where's the artistry?? That's what "V" brings. Long live "Rule V"!!

I have mentioned elsewhere the impressive authority of using latin.  Many Americans believe that all foreign languages have mystic powers.  Also shubbery and certain petroleum distillates.  The sad fact is that if you have questions about the rules regarding the draft (some say organized theft) that just occured in MLB and you go looking for "Rule vee" in the rule book, you will be lost.  If you seek further articles on the Rule V draft and type that into the Google search engine, you will receive back a mere 4% of the articles written about that draft.  The cream of the crop or the bottom of the barrel?   A cavalier regard for accuracy fits well with the current vogue of substituting a wild ass guess for organized research.  It's close enough, what can it hurt?

[MusicMan]

you mean hes in the bottom IV% ?

Well played.

[jasonact]

I have mentioned elsewhere the impressive authority of using latin.  Many Americans believe that all foreign languages have mystic powers.  Also shubbery and certain petroleum distillates.  The sad fact is that if you have questions about the rules regarding the draft (some say organized theft) that just occured in MLB and you go looking for "Rule vee" in the rule book, you will be lost.  If you seek further articles on the Rule V draft and type that into the Google search engine, you will receive back a mere 4% of the articles written about that draft.  The cream of the crop or the bottom of the barrel?   A cavalier regard for accuracy fits well with the current vogue of substituting a wild ass guess for organized research.  It's close enough, what can it hurt?

Good point. I see what you mean, and you've convinced me that it is a legitimate beef against "journalists", as this thread and your NYCU originally addressed, but for my lay purposes, I still prefer the beauty of "Rule V".

[tophfar]

Good point. I see what you mean, and you've convinced me that it is a legitimate beef against "journalists", as this thread and your NYCU originally addressed, but for my lay purposes, I still prefer the beauty of "Rule V".

A rule has the right to change it's name to vatever it vants to change it to. And if a rule vants to be called Rule Five, godammit this is a free country, you should respect it's vishes, and call it Rule Five!

It's mamma call him V, imma call him V.

[pravata]

Good point. I see what you mean, and you've convinced me that it is a legitimate beef against "journalists", as this thread and your NYCU originally addressed, but for my lay purposes, I still prefer the beauty of "Rule V".

That's for each man to decide for himself.  However, prepare to be mocked for your aesthetic sensibilities.

[jasonact]

That's for each man to decide for himself.  However, prepare to be mocked for your aesthetic sensibilities.

I've had to deal with that my whole life.

[Taras Bulba]

I've had to deal with that my whole life.

Don't go cuttin' off your ear.  Or, pecker.

[BUWebguy]

I still don't get what the big deal is. Okay. Fine. It's referred to by an Arabic numeral in the rule book. Why is that sole fact important? It's not like "Rule V" refers to anything different than "Rule 5" or "Rule Five" or "Rule ||||"

And besides, I prefer typing "Rule V" because of the aesthetic value. "V" simply looks better than "5". Paintings and music have been created about "V" (see Georgia O'Keefe). The "5" is ugly, utilitarian. It's gets the job done, but where's the flair? Where's the panache? Where's the artistry?? That's what "V" brings. Long live "Rule V"!!

The Big 12 has been fighting this same thing for XII years now. I bet a search like Prav's that substituted "Big 12/Big XII" for "Rule 5/Rule V" would find similar results.

[pravata]

The Big 12 has been fighting this same thing for XII years now. I bet a search like Prav's that substituted "Big 12/Big XII" for "Rule 5/Rule V" would find similar results.

The confusing thing is that you get results.  Here's another of my favorite dumbassed search strings, "Newton's 2nd law of thermodynamics".  Go ahead google that.  Then, pour yourself a glass of vodka and consider the state of science education.

[Noe]

The confusing thing is that you get results.  Here's another of my favorite dumbassed search strings, "Newton's 2nd law of thermodynamics".  Go ahead google that.  Then, pour yourself a glass of vodka and consider the state of science education.

Newton.... hmmmm... never watched him play ball.  Who does he play for?  Stats?

[T. J.]

You have too much time on your hands.

By virtue of the fact that we're here, don't we all?

[pravata]

Newton.... hmmmm... never watched him play ball.  Who does he play for?  Stats?

He was a manager.  Invented the running game, his motto was objects in motion should remain in motion.

[MusicMan]

He was a manager.  Invented the running game, his motto was objects in motion should remain in motion.

And objects at rest are Berkmanesque.

[Taras Bulba]

And objects at rest are Berkmanesque.

Get that man a Little Debbie.

[mihoba]

And objects at rest are Berkmanesque.

Newton also proved that Twinkie and Flapjack have a common center of mass, somewhere between first base and left field.  Poor AE, he is gravitationally bound.

[MikeyBoy]

And objects at rest are Berkmanesque.

That's actually "Fig Newton's 2nd law of thermosnacks."

[austro]

Newton also proved that Twinkie and Flapjack have a common center of mass, somewhere between first base and left field.  Poor AE, he is gravitationally bound.

SS is a LaGrange point in the LF-1B system?  Who knew?

[jasonact]

Don't go cuttin' off your ear.  Or, pecker.

I believe that would fall under the category of not dealing with it.

[Kent's Moustache]

Get that man a Little Debbie.

I'm told that they're much more plentiful in central and east Texas these days, following the departure of a certain head coach from a certain agricultural and mechanical university.  Tee-hee.

[das]

The confusing thing is that you get results.  Here's another of my favorite dumbassed search strings, "Newton's 2nd law of thermodynamics".  Go ahead google that.  Then, pour yourself a glass of vodka and consider the state of science education.

That's frightening.  Carnot, Clapeyron, Helmholtz, Gibbs and Nernst all collectiely rolled in their graves.  Al Gore's interweb is not the Oracle of Truth.  Hell, it's not even the SQL of Truth.  It does not know all.  It does not tell all.

[Limey]

That's frightening.  Carnot, Clapeyron, Helmholtz, Gibbs and Nernst all collectiely rolled in their graves.  Al Gore's interweb is not the Oracle of Truth.  Hell, it's not even the SQL of Truth.  It does not know all.  It does not tell all.

I believe the phrase you're looking for is:  "Teacher, mother, secret lover."

[strosrays]

SS - Bloch
2B - Segre
CF - Bohr
1B - Fermi
LF - Frisch
 C - Fuchs
RF - Chadwick
3B - Wigner

LHP - Oppenheimer
RHP - Teller
Setup - Franck
Closer - Bohm


Most teams wouldn't stand a chance against that lineup.  Get blown out.

[Curly]

I still don't get what the big deal is. Okay. Fine. It's referred to by an Arabic numeral in the rule book. Why is that sole fact important? It's not like "Rule V" refers to anything different than "Rule 5" or "Rule Five" or "Rule ||||"

And besides, I prefer typing "Rule V" because of the aesthetic value. "V" simply looks better than "5". Paintings and music have been created about "V" (see Georgia O'Keefe). The "5" is ugly, utilitarian. It's gets the job done, but where's the flair? Where's the panache? Where's the artistry?? That's what "V" brings. Long live "Rule V"!!

I think he would disagree.  http://pbskids.org/sesame/number/5.html

[pravata]

That's frightening.  Carnot, Clapeyron, Helmholtz, Gibbs and Nernst all collectiely rolled in their graves.  Al Gore's interweb is not the Oracle of Truth.  Hell, it's not even the SQL of Truth.  It does not know all.  It does not tell all.

I'm glad it's not just me.

[JackAstro]

The Big 12 has been fighting this same thing for XII years now. I bet a search like Prav's that substituted "Big 12/Big XII" for "Rule 5/Rule V" would find similar results.

That's a mess of their own making. The logo features a gigantic XII, for chrissakes.

[ybbodeus]

That's a mess of their own making. The logo features a gigantic XII, for chrissakes.

At least the Big 12 can COUNT, for cryin' out loud.  The Big 10, on the other hand.... 

Maybe they should consider one of these....

The BIGGER 10
or
The Big 10*
or
The Big 11?

[VirtualBob]

At least the Big 12 can COUNT, for cryin' out loud.  The Big 10, on the other hand....  Maybe they should with:

The BIGGER 10

or perhaps:

The Big 10*

or maybe: 

The Big 11.

Solution:  Boot Baylor from the Big 12, add Iowa; Move Colorado (or maybe Kansas State?) to the Big 12 South.  Fixes Big 12 competitiveness and Big 10 counting all at once.

[ybbodeus]

You've got a baseball problem there, not to mention a legal one, but....that's some quick thinking.

You're not Mr. Wolfe, are you...the guy who solves problems?

[VirtualBob]

You've got a baseball problem there, not to mention a legal one, but....that's some quick thinking.

You're not Mr. Wolfe, are you...the guy who solves problems?

I'm not Mr. Wolfe and my "solution" will never happen.  sigh.

[Ty in Tampa]

At least the Big 12 can COUNT, for cryin' out loud.  The Big 10, on the other hand.... 

They address it somewhat in the logo.

[Reuben]

You've got a baseball problem there, not to mention a legal one, but....that's some quick thinking.

You're not Mr. Wolfe, are you...the guy who solves problems?

was he curt witchoo?

[ybbodeus]

They address it somewhat in the logo.

Had it been a snake, it'da bit my Florida.  {Oops, wrong conference; substitute cornhusker, I suppose.] 

Thanks, Ty.  Does that logo serve as a non-denial denial?

[ybbodeus]

was he curt witchoo?

Figure I don't risk rousing Mister Hawke by doing Pulp Fiction resets instead of Godfather ones....can I get a ruling on the relevance of Godfather III, as compared to the previous two?  I would think that beyond, "Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in," that it would be okay to flub the lines from THAT one.  I mean, their being no Tom Haden (Duvall) was tough to accept.  I'll admit that having the underappreciated Eli Wallach involved was a decent shot at trying to add "gravitas", but the man who uttered, "It'll be as if she never existed" HAD to be in that movie.....HAD to be.  That he wasn't damn near RUINED it for me.

A close friend once remarked about the irony of releasing a movie about gangsters on the day in which Catholics and other Christians recognize the birth of their/our Lord.  I believe I contributed to the denigration of Christmas that year by going to see it on that holiest of days, as well.  Some Baptist, huh? 

Has that movie aged well?  I've had no interest in seeing it again after seeing it that first time.  Today, if either of the first two is on, I'll waste an hour watching it before I come to my senses and decide to go ahead and sit down to waste whatever time is left after that.

Andy Garcia.....Sophia Coppola......WHY?  Maybe she should have directed it.

[Taras Bulba]

The camera is no friend of Sophia Coppola.  Andy Garcia deserved the Medal of Freedom and a case of beer for gritting through his scenes with her.

[GreatBagwellsBeard]

SS - Bloch
2B - Segre
CF - Bohr
1B - Fermi
LF - Frisch
 C - Fuchs
RF - Chadwick
3B - Wigner

LHP - Oppenheimer
RHP - Teller
Setup - Franck
Closer - Bohm


Most teams wouldn't stand a chance against that lineup.  Get blown out.

I think Berkman bats second in that lineup.

[geezerdonk]

The criticism of Sophia's acting was nigh on hysterical, and to my thinking off the mark.
First, she did a creditable job. Her character mirrored her off screen persona. She was an Italian American princess  in way over her head.
Second, the movie was half camp to begin with. When the cast includes George Hamilton and Don Novello, the director has no aspirations to cinematic art. The critics took the movie much more seriously than FFC ever did.
Still, the finale juxtaposing  scenes from the lurid Cavalleria Rusticana with the competing assassinations has great dramatic punch.

[ybbodeus]

It's almost like the whole movie was fluff to prepare you for another thrilling shoot-out at the end.  The stabbing with glasses was a new twist.

[geezerdonk]

Most teams wouldn't stand a chance against that lineup.  Get blown out.

I don't think that you can win with Fuchs behind the plate.
He would tip all the pitches to the opposition.

[das]

Nice, geezerdonk.

[astrox]

Nice, geezerdonk.

nerds

[Taras Bulba]

The criticism of Sophia's acting was nigh on hysterical, and to my thinking off the mark.
First, she did a creditable job. Her character mirrored her off screen persona. She was an Italian American princess  in way over her head.
Second, the movie was half camp to begin with. When the cast includes George Hamilton and Don Novello, the director has no aspirations to cinematic art. The critics took the movie much more seriously than FFC ever did.
Still, the finale juxtaposing  scenes from the lurid Cavalleria Rusticana with the competing assassinations has great dramatic punch.

You're Coppola's agent, right? 

[Ty in Tampa]

The camera is no friend of Sophia Coppola.

Depends on which end she's friendly with.

[subnuclear]

You're Coppola's agent, right? 

I agree with him.  She wasn't so bad, the part was bad.  I think she gets a bad rap because everyone in Hollywood was so in love with Winona Ryder at the time (who dropped out of making the movie), even though I don't think she would of been very good either.  The only good thing about Godfather III were the scenes with Michael and Kay.  The rest was sort of junkie.

[Taras Bulba]

Quit doing all of that math and science and shit and get your mind right.  She was goddamn awful *almost* on a level with the "acting" displayed in the last few Star Wars movies.

[subnuclear]

Quit doing all of that math and science and shit and get your mind right.  She was goddamn awful *almost* on a level with the "acting" displayed in the last few Star Wars movies.

Quit confusing bad movies with bad acting.  Everything bad in those movies was because of George Lucas.

[MusicMan]

Quit doing all of that math and science and shit and get your mind right.  She was goddamn awful *almost* on a level with the "acting" displayed in the last few Star Wars movies.

Laurence Olivier would have looked bad speaking those words under that direction.

[Taras Bulba]

Laurence Olivier would have looked bad speaking those words under that direction.

Well, Alec Guiness wasn't noticably bad but maybe I just didn't watch him close enough.  I'm not a thespian, so I'll defer to your judgement and agree that Sophia Coppola is one helluva an actress.

[Limey]

Laurence Olivier would have looked bad speaking those words under that direction.

Ewan McGregor, appearing on Top Gear last season, says he considers the original trilogy to be "Star Wars", and the ones he made to be "the ones I made".  He then went on to take the piss out of having to sit on a box, with a fake baby, pretending to be rocked back and forth by a beast he was supposedly riding, while Lucas screamed "look at the two suns!" which weren't there.

[Limey]

Well, Alec Guiness wasn't noticably bad but maybe I just didn't watch him close enough.  I'm not a thespian, so I'll defer to your judgement and agree that Sophia Coppola is one helluva an actress.

Because he couldn't get away with being all-digital in the original movies, Lucas was forced to use dialog to entertain his audience.  For the later movies, he didn't think we needed any of that verbal shit because he gave us rasta-aliens and a whole host of digital delights.  Which is why the later suck the sweat off a dead man's balls.

I know there are probably worse movies out there, but given the profile and budget, Attack of the Clones is very possibly the most enormous, steaming pile of a movie ever made.  Although, in the last one, Queen/Senator/Maid Amadala/Padme telling an unhinged Anakin that "You're breaking my heart", because Lucas didn't waste time on allowing the actors to express plot points non-verbally, is possibly one of the worst attempts at drama in movies ever.

[Taras Bulba]

So, the bad acting really wasn't bad because it was due to bad direction.

I'm not arguing that the actors in the latter Star Wars movies are not worth a shit.  I'm just saying that I found the acting to be awful, regardless of the cause.  I've read all of the stuff regarding what a shitbird Lucas is and have no reason to think otherwise. 

This is the point where I leave in a huff and come back later and explain that what I said was not what I meant but that Music Man is just mean and mean people suck and I wish there was peace and that there were lots of rainbows.  Career burnout isn't pretty.

[Limey]

So, the bad acting really wasn't bad because it was due to bad direction.

I'm not arguing that the actors in the latter Star Wars movies are not worth a shit.  I'm just saying that I found the acting to be awful, regardless of the cause.  I've read all of the stuff regarding what a shitbird Lucas is and have no reason to think otherwise. 

This is the point where I leave in a huff and come back later and explain that what I said was not what I meant but that Music Man is just mean and mean people suck and I wish there was peace and that there were lots of rainbows.  Career burnout isn't pretty.

I think the reason that the acting was terrible was because (a) there were some bad actors cast; and (b) none of the actors were given more than one take most of the time.  Lucas just wanted to get the take and move on so that he could get to his computer and start "making" the movie.

He had a very bad plan to make the movie, and dragged everyone down with him.

ETA:  Lucas showed his competence-level for character development when he went back and had Greedo shoot first, and Luke scream after jumping into the air shaft.  I don't criticise these changes as some kind of purist, I criticise them because they were really, really stupid ideas that completely usurped the meaning of those scenes.

[Gizzmonic]

Ah geez, first we talk about worst sports letdowns in Houston history, and now we're discussing the Star Wars prequels?  You want me to put my head in an oven, don't you?

On the brighter side.... I'm going to watch this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tpNBKqVXpI and cheer up.

Because he couldn't get away with being all-digital in the original movies, Lucas was forced to use dialog to entertain his audience.  For the later movies, he didn't think we needed any of that verbal shit because he gave us rasta-aliens and a whole host of digital delights.  Which is why the later suck the sweat off a dead man's balls.

I know there are probably worse movies out there, but given the profile and budget, Attack of the Clones is very possibly the most enormous, steaming pile of a movie ever made.  Although, in the last one, Queen/Senator/Maid Amadala/Padme telling an unhinged Anakin that "You're breaking my heart", because Lucas didn't waste time on allowing the actors to express plot points non-verbally, is possibly one of the worst attempts at drama in movies ever.

[Noe]

I think the reason that the acting was terrible was because (a) there were some bad actors cast; and (b) none of the actors were given more than one take most of the time.  Lucas just wanted to get the take and move on so that he could get to his computer and start "making" the movie.

He had a very bad plan to make the movie, and dragged everyone down with him.

This is like arguing whether there should be trains and high definition video jumbotrons in baseball.  The answer is "yes" but the caveat is "not for me though".  Meaning the entertainment factor for the younger audience is needed and it looks like it dilutes the product that is really baseball.  (This is where pravata steps in and rails on about rally sticks or some such).

Movies that rely on slick computer graphics are about telling a story using stunning visual effects.  It is a movie, it is entertainment and it has it's audience.  So conversely it's good, but not maybe for me.  But I can sit with my youngest son and enjoy the heck out of the movie because he enjoys it so much.

Having him sit through Henry V with me probably would not have the same effect.  I'm just happy that my youngest son thinks playing baseball video games with me would be really cool (and that is the level that perhaps I should embrace now instead of saying "Heck, let's go outside and throw a baseball instead!").  I would enjoy throwing a baseball with him and we do, but if he thinks it's cool to play MLBwhatev on the PS3 with his old man... I'll take it!

[Limey]

Having him sit through Henry V with me probably would not have the same effect.

He's going to have to watch it sometime, otherwise he won't be equipped to join you in the TZ when the day comes.

[Taras Bulba]

He's going to have to watch it sometime, otherwise he won't be equipped to join you in the TZ when the day comes.

Did I miss it, or did we do something on October 25th to mark the anniversary?  If not, I hereby nominate the Englishman to come up with something suitable next year for the TZ nation, provided it doesn't involve butt plugs or bangers.

[Noe]

He's going to have to watch it sometime, otherwise he won't be equipped to join you in the TZ when the day comes.

I blame pravata and his "band of brothers" re-sets.

[Limey]

Did I miss it, or did we do something on October 25th to mark the anniversary?  If not, I hereby nominate the Englishman to come up with something suitable next year for the TZ nation, provided it doesn't involve butt plugs or bangers.

How about a ceremony involving white flags, cheese and monkeys?

[VirtualBob]

Quit confusing bad movies with bad acting.  Everything bad in those movies was because of George Lucas.

Was he the GM??

[ybbodeus]

Ah geez, first we talk about worst sports letdowns in Houston history, and now we're discussing the Star Wars prequels?  You want me to put my head in an oven, don't you?

On the brighter side.... {EDIT--there won't be any more Star Wars movies made while George Lucas is alive!!!} I'm going to watch this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tpNBKqVXpI and cheer up.

Fixed it for me....not that there was anything wrong with what YOU had; it just didn't embellishment.  I mean, there can't be much brighter news than that we won't be suffering through any ADDITIONAL cinemagic dog turds from George Lucas involving that John Williams music and rolling script.

Great video, Gizzdaddy.

[NeilT]

I think Berkman bats second in that lineup.

Whataya mean?  he went to Rice.

[Limey]

On the brighter side.... I'm going to watch this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tpNBKqVXpI and cheer up.

Yep.  That's a bad thing.

[Reuben]

Queen/Senator/Maid Amadala/Padme telling an unhinged Anakin that "You're breaking my heart", because Lucas didn't waste time on allowing the actors to express plot points non-verbally, is possibly one of the worst attempts at drama in movies ever.

NnnnnnnnoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!, I think there was another bit from that movie that was even worse.

Let's just thank God that Lucas left the directing (and script-writing?) to others in Empire Strikes Back/ Return of the Jedi.

[Noe]

How about a ceremony involving white flags, cheese and monkeys?

Add a midget and you have a regular party/occurrence at Alkie's house.

[MusicMan]

ETA:  Lucas showed his competence-level for character development when he went back and had Greedo shoot first, and Luke scream after jumping into the air shaft.  I don't criticise these changes as some kind of purist, I criticise them because they were really, really stupid ideas that completely usurped the meaning of those scenes.

As much fanboy attention as there was on the Greedo change, the scream in Empire was much, much worse.  It went from "Luke consciously chooses to perhaps end his life, rather than turn to the dark side" to "who knows, maybe he was about to join Vader when he slipped?"

WTF.

[Bench]

As much fanobdy attention as there was on the Greedo change, the scream in Empire was much, much worse.  It went from "Luke consciously chooses to perhaps end his life, rather than turn to the dark side" to "who knows, maybe he was about to join Vader when he slipped?"

WTF.

Who the hell is Greedo?

[Andyzipp]

Who the hell is Greedo?

An alien who was wantonly murdered by a capitalistic white man.  However, bush-neck lackey revisionists have justified it by making it seem like he shot first.

[MusicMan]

An alien who was wantonly murdered by a capitalistic white man.  However, bush-neck lackey revisionists have justified it by making it seem like he shot first.

Star Wars - now in HD!

[Limey]

As much fanboy attention as there was on the Greedo change, the scream in Empire was much, much worse.  It went from "Luke consciously chooses to perhaps end his life, rather than turn to the dark side" to "who knows, maybe he was about to join Vader when he slipped?"

WTF.

Bingo.

[Limey]

An alien who was wantonly murdered by a capitalistic white man.  However, bush-neck lackey revisionists have justified it by making it seem like he shot first.

...but because of inferior breeding, could not hit a grown man, sitting still, three feet away from him, despite having had his gun drawn and aimed prior to the shot.

[Andyzipp]

...but because of inferior breeding, could not hit a grown man, sitting still, three feet away from him, despite having had his gun drawn and aimed prior to the shot.

The Empire (Republicans) didn't provide sufficent educational opportunities for Rodians, as they maintained that seperate but equal was a justifiable doctrine across the universe.

[Limey]

The Empire (Republicans) didn't provide sufficent educational opportunities for Rodians, as they maintained that seperate but equal was a justifiable doctrine across the universe.

With some being more equal than others.

[ybbodeus]

...but because of inferior breeding, could not hit a grown man, sitting still, three feet away from him, despite having had his gun drawn and aimed prior to the shot.

Had Greedo, the lizard versdion of Pinhead from the Hellraiser series, simply gone and told his boss Jabba that Han had the money, as Han suggested, the whole unpleasant situation could have been avoided....and Han could have kept the gold coin in his pocket.

Alas, Greedo had issues.

[Astroholic]

Had Greedo, the lizard versdion of Pinhead from the Hellraiser series, simply gone and told his boss Jabba that Han had the money, as Han suggested, the whole unpleasant situation could have been avoided....and Han could have kept the gold coin in his pocket.

Alas, Greedo had issues.

Damn you guys are Dorks.

[ybbodeus]

Damn you guys are Dorks.

Yes, sir....on occasion.

[Trey]

This is like arguing whether there should be trains and high definition video jumbotrons in baseball.  The answer is "yes" but the caveat is "not for me though". 

As Billy Bob Thornton once said (and I paraphrase):

I know that 15 year old boys spend the most money on movies.  And I have no problem with Dude, Where's My Car? being made for 15 year old boys.   But not every movie has to be made for 15 year old boys.