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« on: December 03, 2007, 02:39:36 pm »
A report from the winter meetings has a scoop on what Jeremy Affledt is looking for in terms of contract and money:

Winter Meetings - Day 1 Update

4 years/16 million.

Shades of Scott Linebrink and Francisco Cordero!!!  I say pass.

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« Reply #1 on: December 03, 2007, 05:11:59 pm »
If he's as good as he is in MVP Baseball 05, then he's worth several times that much.  For some reason, they gave him a 97 mph fastball and 90 mph slider...


A report from the winter meetings has a scoop on what Jeremy Affledt is looking for in terms of contract and money:

Winter Meetings - Day 1 Update

4 years/16 million.

Shades of Scott Linebrink and Francisco Cordero!!!  I say pass.
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« Reply #2 on: December 03, 2007, 05:17:53 pm »
If he's as good as he is in MVP Baseball 05, then he's worth several times that much.  For some reason, they gave him a 97 mph fastball and 90 mph slider...

This made me smile.

Over the weekend, my oldest teenage son went on and on about the virtues of the family getting a PS3 for christmas.  "Dad, you and Mom get a blue-ray disc player plus a cool way to store media... like pictures and stuff.  Of course, I get to play some cool games, especially Guitar Hero III (*holding up two hands in a weird, gansta sort of way... I'm a bit perplexed by this gesture but figure I'm a Dad and I'm not supposed to know what said gesture means*)".

I keep quiet about it, but offer to think about it.  But I did have one question for my oldest, now teenage son "What about your younger brother... what's in it for him?"  He looks at said younger sibling, looks at me, looks back at younger sibling as if to say with his eyes "Help me out here bro...".  Looks at me and before either one of us can say anything, young brother (9 year old) says "I guess I can play all those NBA or MLB games that Dad always says he'd like to buy but nobody will play with him".

We might be getting a PS3 for Christmas this year.

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« Reply #3 on: December 03, 2007, 06:21:39 pm »
This made me smile.

Over the weekend, my oldest teenage son went on and on about the virtues of the family getting a PS3 for christmas.  "Dad, you and Mom get a blue-ray disc player plus a cool way to store media... like pictures and stuff.  Of course, I get to play some cool games, especially Guitar Hero III (*holding up two hands in a weird, gansta sort of way... I'm a bit perplexed by this gesture but figure I'm a Dad and I'm not supposed to know what said gesture means*)".

I keep quiet about it, but offer to think about it.  But I did have one question for my oldest, now teenage son "What about your younger brother... what's in it for him?"  He looks at said younger sibling, looks at me, looks back at younger sibling as if to say with his eyes "Help me out here bro...".  Looks at me and before either one of us can say anything, young brother (9 year old) says "I guess I can play all those NBA or MLB games that Dad always says he'd like to buy but nobody will play with him".

We might be getting a PS3 for Christmas this year.

Ha, sounds like you got set up! You'll have huge amounts of fun though, the games these days are amazing. But the 9-year-old will probably beat you 500-0 in baseball.

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« Reply #4 on: December 03, 2007, 06:21:55 pm »
If you get a PS3 and love baseball, then MLB 07: The show is a requirement.  ;D

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« Reply #5 on: December 03, 2007, 07:59:18 pm »
This made me smile.

Over the weekend, my oldest teenage son went on and on about the virtues of the family getting a PS3 for christmas.  "Dad, you and Mom get a blue-ray disc player plus a cool way to store media... like pictures and stuff.  Of course, I get to play some cool games, especially Guitar Hero III (*holding up two hands in a weird, gansta sort of way... I'm a bit perplexed by this gesture but figure I'm a Dad and I'm not supposed to know what said gesture means*)".

I keep quiet about it, but offer to think about it.  But I did have one question for my oldest, now teenage son "What about your younger brother... what's in it for him?"  He looks at said younger sibling, looks at me, looks back at younger sibling as if to say with his eyes "Help me out here bro...".  Looks at me and before either one of us can say anything, young brother (9 year old) says "I guess I can play all those NBA or MLB games that Dad always says he'd like to buy but nobody will play with him".

We might be getting a PS3 for Christmas this year.

This is classic.   It also reminds me of my childhood.    When I was a kid in the 1980's-early 90's my dad and I used to play RBI Baseball for Nintendo.   For awhile he let me win, but one night we had a hard fought game and I won.  I knew he was trying and even though his excuse remained I let you win, I knew he was just fibbing.   Unfortunately as systems got more sophisticated and games more advanced the gap widened to the point we couldn't play anymore.
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« Reply #6 on: December 03, 2007, 08:08:09 pm »
If you don't have a good HD tv you may be let down by how the games look on the new systems.  I was given a new xbox 360 and was not impressed in the least.  I then got a new plasma HD tv and it opened a whole new world where that thing really blew me away.  I didn't even play games that much before.  And yes the last MLB game I bought for the 360 was pretty damn impressive.

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« Reply #7 on: December 03, 2007, 08:10:46 pm »
Ha, sounds like you got set up! You'll have huge amounts of fun though, the games these days are amazing. But the 9-year-old will probably beat you 500-0 in baseball.
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« Reply #8 on: December 03, 2007, 08:54:24 pm »
If you don't have a good HD tv you may be let down by how the games look on the new systems.  I was given a new xbox 360 and was not impressed in the least.  I then got a new plasma HD tv and it opened a whole new world where that thing really blew me away.  I didn't even play games that much before.  And yes the last MLB game I bought for the 360 was pretty damn impressive.

I need to get the latest MLB game for the 360. I think MLB is the one major sports license that EA didn't gobble up.

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« Reply #9 on: December 03, 2007, 08:59:15 pm »
It's not bad, it's missing some added features but it seems like they scrapped the old design and game mechanics and started over again.  Naturally it'll take a few iterations for more and more options to be added.  Looks fantastic though and if you get online that's a lot of fun as well.

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« Reply #10 on: December 03, 2007, 09:56:10 pm »
If you don't have a good HD tv you may be let down by how the games look on the new systems.  I was given a new xbox 360 and was not impressed in the least.  I then got a new plasma HD tv and it opened a whole new world where that thing really blew me away.  I didn't even play games that much before.  And yes the last MLB game I bought for the 360 was pretty damn impressive.

Without a doubt.  On the list is a new HD television with the PS3.  No other way to go.

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« Reply #11 on: December 03, 2007, 10:22:24 pm »
Without a doubt.  On the list is a new HD television with the PS3.  No other way to go.

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« Reply #12 on: December 03, 2007, 10:42:00 pm »
Without a doubt.  On the list is a new HD television with the PS3.  No other way to go.

This may be obvious, but I suggest you shop at Best Buy, etc., but BUY online!  While I expected there to be a difference, I was never aware how much until I bought my 60" SXRD a little over a year ago.  What was $5k + tax + delivery at BestBuy was $3900 + no tax + free delivery online!  Fortunately I had my cell phone with me at BestBuy and was literally minutes from buying the tv when I thought I'd take one quick look online to see how much I was throwing away for instant gratification (assumed it was maybe $100 or $200 at the most).  I was stunned.  Buy online!!
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« Reply #13 on: December 03, 2007, 11:12:03 pm »
This may be obvious, but I suggest you shop at Best Buy, etc., but BUY online!  While I expected there to be a difference, I was never aware how much until I bought my 60" SXRD a little over a year ago.  What was $5k + tax + delivery at BestBuy was $3900 + no tax + free delivery online!  Fortunately I had my cell phone with me at BestBuy and was literally minutes from buying the tv when I thought I'd take one quick look online to see how much I was throwing away for instant gratification (assumed it was maybe $100 or $200 at the most).  I was stunned.  Buy online!!

completely agree.  sony xbr2 42'' LCD, i got it for $2000 with a 3 year warranty and shipping included, at best buy it was $2700 + tax + extended warranty. 

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« Reply #14 on: December 04, 2007, 02:44:48 am »
this thread is pretty jacked but - i'v been playing MVP 2005 since it came out and won't get another baseball game until EA Sports comes out with another.  the Stros are the shit every year.  i'm in the year 2016 and biggio and bags are still the rt side of the infield.  the ps3 with hdmi to the 42'' plama and optical to the stereo rocks.  (warhawk is freekin sweet - if anyone is a warhawk nerd like me, let me know)

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« Reply #15 on: December 04, 2007, 03:00:08 am »
this thread is pretty jacked but - i'v been playing MVP 2005 since it came out and won't get another baseball game until EA Sports comes out with another.  the Stros are the shit every year.  i'm in the year 2016 and biggio and bags are still the rt side of the infield.  the ps3 with hdmi to the 42'' plama and optical to the stereo rocks.  (warhawk is freekin sweet - if anyone is a warhawk nerd like me, let me know)

I'm a Halo fan so I stuck with the box and have been very impressed with Call of Duty 4 lately.  Xbox Live is still unrivaled though.

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« Reply #16 on: December 04, 2007, 04:59:23 am »
i just can't pay for that. and the controller sucks

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« Reply #17 on: December 04, 2007, 07:14:41 am »
Xbox Live is still unrivaled though.

Tell my son hello.

Which raises another Christmas present question.  My son decided he would build a computer and has been collecting parts.  I think he's talked his mom out of a mother board, and then maybe he bought a power pack and some other stuff, but I know he hasn't bought the processor.  I was thinking of buying the processor, and guess I'm supposed to buy some kind a dual processor, and some memory, but now we're talking real money.

Generally, I think it's great he wants to do it himself, but I'm concerned that maybe there's something to sticking stuff into a mother board, that maybe it's not something he can handle.  He doesn't read directions.  He doesn't look at books.  Can a reasonably intuitive 16 year old put together a computer?  are there websites that are good sources of information?   
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« Reply #18 on: December 04, 2007, 07:25:27 am »
As long as he bought compatible components, its pretty easy to plug them together.  If you want to give him something to read here is really cool website (from Vanguard : SOH a crappy MMO that came out in January), but it has a detailed description of how to build a computer :

http://www.silkyvenom.com/portals/hardware.php

It also has some very nice Recommendations for the individual components and monitors.   

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« Reply #19 on: December 04, 2007, 07:43:20 am »
Ha, sounds like you got set up! You'll have huge amounts of fun though, the games these days are amazing. But the 9-year-old will probably beat you 500-0 in baseball.

There is a parade in my house when I manage to beat my 6 year old son at Madden or NCAA Football. It's like these little shits have something hard coded in their DNA that makes them gaming bad asses from day 1.
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« Reply #20 on: December 04, 2007, 08:12:28 am »
As long as he bought compatible components, its pretty easy to plug them together.  If you want to give him something to read here is really cool website (from Vanguard : SOH a crappy MMO that came out in January), but it has a detailed description of how to build a computer :

http://www.silkyvenom.com/portals/hardware.php

It also has some very nice Recommendations for the individual components and monitors.   

Thanks, that's a help.
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« Reply #21 on: December 04, 2007, 08:14:13 am »
Tell my son hello.

Which raises another Christmas present question.  My son decided he would build a computer and has been collecting parts.  I think he's talked his mom out of a mother board, and then maybe he bought a power pack and some other stuff, but I know he hasn't bought the processor.  I was thinking of buying the processor, and guess I'm supposed to buy some kind a dual processor, and some memory, but now we're talking real money.

Generally, I think it's great he wants to do it himself, but I'm concerned that maybe there's something to sticking stuff into a mother board, that maybe it's not something he can handle.  He doesn't read directions.  He doesn't look at books.  Can a reasonably intuitive 16 year old put together a computer?  are there websites that are good sources of information?   

Neil, it's all pretty simple.  Almost every card, chip, or procressor only fits properly in a single way.  Aligning the component properly is fairly obvious.  As long as he doesn't force anything to fit or make "alterations"  (I encountered someone who actually cut, with metal sheers, a $12k adapter - this is for high end UNIX servers  - to make it fit.  This is not a myth, urban legend, or any other b.s.  I know this person thru my work and she was summarily fired when it was discovered) he should be fine.  However, if he wants the system to run optimally, he should crack open the manual for the motherboard, so he can make sure he's getting the ideal parts (as there are variations on memory and CPU bus speeds).

As for cost of parts, I like Fry's Electronics.  I've shopped around for a number of different replacements or upgrades and, without fail, always find a deal at Fry's that is the best price.  If you don't have a Fry's nearby, they are online as well.  Then there are the locally owned stores.  Tell the person at the counter what you are trying to do and if they have no clue, turn around and walk back out the door.  They should know what they are selling/doing with PCs before they can tell you what you should buy.  The staff at Fry's can probably tell you how to build the PC from memory, specific to a motherboard. 

One critical factor is, what does your son hope to do with this PC?  And by that, I don't mean, porn.  Is it a game system?  A chance to learn about computers (I started building PCs in college as a job.  I now do UNIX Admin work)?  Is it for homework, surfing the web, and average PC work?   A knowledgable salesperson will be able to direct you to the best option if you know what you want and give them a reasonable price range.

Unfortunately, I haven't worked with any of the new PC processors (I still run my PIII processors and don't have much interest in computer games) so I can't point to one over the other.  Intel and AMD make solid processors but it depends on what your son's motherboard supports as to which options you have. 

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« Reply #22 on: December 04, 2007, 09:21:41 am »
Maybe if the Astros promise Jeremy a 60" SXRD and a XBox 360, the price might come down. They could buy online of course, and save even more.
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« Reply #23 on: December 04, 2007, 09:22:44 am »
Maybe if the Astros promise Jeremy a 60" SXRD and a XBox 360, the price might come down. They could buy online of course, and save even more.

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« Reply #24 on: December 04, 2007, 09:23:51 am »
Maybe they could buy Jeremy online. Save on shipping.
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« Reply #25 on: December 04, 2007, 09:43:14 am »
Maybe they could buy Jeremy online. Save on shipping.

I got my Jeremy Affeldt at Crutchfield.com, and I highly recommend the experience. Auditioned him at Circuit City, but priced him through Shopzilla. I saved about $750K per season, don't pay his taxes, got free "white glove" delivery service, and I'm making no payments til 2010. What a country.
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« Reply #26 on: December 04, 2007, 09:50:36 am »
I got my Jeremy Affeldt at Crutchfield.com, and I highly recommend the experience. Auditioned him at Circuit City, but priced him through Shopzilla. I saved about $750K per season, don't pay his taxes, got free "white glove" delivery service, and I'm making no payments til 2010. What a country.

Did he come with a warrantly or did you have to take him "as is"?  I got a Jason Jennings last year this way and there was no warranty.  It didn't turn out to be so great.  Buyer beware.

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« Reply #27 on: December 04, 2007, 09:51:49 am »
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« Reply #28 on: December 04, 2007, 10:02:56 am »
As for cost of parts, I like Fry's Electronics.  I've shopped around for a number of different replacements or upgrades and, without fail, always find a deal at Fry's that is the best price.  If you don't have a Fry's nearby, they are online as well.  Then there are the locally owned stores.  Tell the person at the counter what you are trying to do and if they have no clue, turn around and walk back out the door.  They should know what they are selling/doing with PCs before they can tell you what you should buy.  The staff at Fry's can probably tell you how to build the PC from memory, specific to a motherboard. 

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« Reply #29 on: December 04, 2007, 10:40:51 am »
I got my Jeremy Affeldt at Crutchfield.com, and I highly recommend the experience. Auditioned him at Circuit City, but priced him through Shopzilla. I saved about $750K per season, don't pay his taxes, got free "white glove" delivery service, and I'm making no payments til 2010. What a country.

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« Reply #30 on: December 04, 2007, 10:57:42 am »
Tell my son hello.

Hopefully he's not one of the foul mouthed headset wearing monsters that frequent xbox live.  The stuff some of these kids say is jaw droppingly vulgar.  Thank God for the mute button.

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« Reply #31 on: December 04, 2007, 01:01:40 pm »
Tell my son hello.

Which raises another Christmas present question.  My son decided he would build a computer and has been collecting parts.  I think he's talked his mom out of a mother board, and then maybe he bought a power pack and some other stuff, but I know he hasn't bought the processor.  I was thinking of buying the processor, and guess I'm supposed to buy some kind a dual processor, and some memory, but now we're talking real money.

Generally, I think it's great he wants to do it himself, but I'm concerned that maybe there's something to sticking stuff into a mother board, that maybe it's not something he can handle.  He doesn't read directions.  He doesn't look at books.  Can a reasonably intuitive 16 year old put together a computer?  are there websites that are good sources of information?   

My wife and I recently built three top-end gaming computers. If it's a computer for gaming, then your biggest cost will probably be the video card(s). Also, one handy thing is that most places sell motherboards with the processor already installed. That way you know it's a match and don't have to fuck with installing it yourself. Also, the processors always come with a stock heat sink, but if he's going to be gaming or stressing it, it might need a beefier heat sink. These can be tricky to install, so if you go that route, you might consider downloading a free utility like SpeedFan that monitors your system's temperatures. You can fry the processor if the heat sink isn't installed properly.

The hardware will usually all go together pretty easily. The frustrating part is usually configuring the software, operating system, drivers, etc. He shouldn't expect to open everything Christmas morning and be playing online by that night. There will be unexpected issues that arise, extra things to buy that you didn't expect, shit like that. Especially if it's his first time to build one.

We built our own gaming systems because we had unbelievably shitty service from established manufacturers. We also tried using local stores to build for us, but they were all staffed by idiots who knew less than we did. We had a lot of fun building our own computers, but it's more frustrating and time-consuming than you'd think. Problems will arise. It's also very rewarding when you finally get it running smoothly and go online and start busting ass with your custom machine.

Oh, also, think about utilities you will need and download them on another computer before you go online with the new one. For example, it's a good idea to download a free virus-checker like AVG, put it on a disk or whatever, and install it on the new computer before you ever go online. Then, as soon as you go online, go to Windows Update and begin the massive patching process.

I'm by no means an expert, but if you run into problems give me a shout and maybe we can figure it out. (Actually, maybe my wife can figure it out ... she's better at this than I am.)

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« Reply #32 on: December 04, 2007, 01:08:43 pm »
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« Reply #33 on: December 04, 2007, 01:15:16 pm »
Ironically enough, I'm also considering upgrading the home desktop to have more processing power.  It has served us well for five years, but with all the stuff we are now trying to get the little home-built desktop to do, it needs a face-lift.  I'm actually going to Fry's today to go look at motherboard/processor kits.  A friend who works at Dell promises to help walk me through the surgery.

I'm a little concerned at going this route instead of just buying a new desktop at a reduced Christmas sale price.  But if I find out I can do this for pennies on the dollar by going to Fry's, I'll give it whirl.  BTW - my friend told me the most expensive part will be the video card.

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« Reply #34 on: December 04, 2007, 01:17:12 pm »
BTW - my friend told me the most expensive part will be the video card.

Or the processor(s), depending on what you go with.
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« Reply #35 on: December 04, 2007, 01:23:49 pm »
Or the processor(s), depending on what you go with.

I'm trying to upgrade to handle video editing.  I want to also put a DVD/DVD-R in the box, but I know that with my current system, there is no way it will handle video editing.  Nothing high end mind you, just your normal 2 Gig MHz/1.2 Gig RAM type of upgrade to handle video.

Pentium 4?  Dual Core?  I dunno yet.

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« Reply #36 on: December 04, 2007, 01:27:34 pm »
I'm trying to upgrade to handle video editing.  I want to also put a DVD/DVD-R in the box, but I know that with my current system, there is no way it will handle video editing.  Nothing high end mind you, just your normal 2 Gig MHz/1.2 Gig RAM type of upgrade to handle video.

Pentium 4?  Dual Core?  I dunno yet.

If you are also upgrading the video card, you might want to get a new box and using your current box as an email/web machine for the kids.

While at frys look at the remanufacter (reconditioned)/discount models that are off to the side.

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« Reply #37 on: December 04, 2007, 01:33:59 pm »
I'm trying to upgrade to handle video editing.  I want to also put a DVD/DVD-R in the box, but I know that with my current system, there is no way it will handle video editing.  Nothing high end mind you, just your normal 2 Gig MHz/1.2 Gig RAM type of upgrade to handle video.

Pentium 4?  Dual Core?  I dunno yet.

What video editing software do you use right now?
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« Reply #38 on: December 04, 2007, 01:38:53 pm »
Also, Noe, know that your an expensive video card does not improve the speed of your video editing.  But just about everything else does-fast CPUs (dual core is a must), plenty of RAM and faster HDDs.

I'm trying to upgrade to handle video editing.  I want to also put a DVD/DVD-R in the box, but I know that with my current system, there is no way it will handle video editing.  Nothing high end mind you, just your normal 2 Gig MHz/1.2 Gig RAM type of upgrade to handle video.

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« Reply #39 on: December 04, 2007, 01:47:55 pm »
Yeah the expensive video cards are mostly for pushing millions of detailed polygons, lighting and physics in games.  They do help with general resolution and any 3d animation rendering if that's your thing.

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« Reply #40 on: December 04, 2007, 01:48:52 pm »
Ironically enough, I'm also considering upgrading the home desktop to have more processing power.  It has served us well for five years, but with all the stuff we are now trying to get the little home-built desktop to do, it needs a face-lift.  I'm actually going to Fry's today to go look at motherboard/processor kits.  A friend who works at Dell promises to help walk me through the surgery.

I'm a little concerned at going this route instead of just buying a new desktop at a reduced Christmas sale price.  But if I find out I can do this for pennies on the dollar by going to Fry's, I'll give it whirl.  BTW - my friend told me the most expensive part will be the video card.

What I've found is that when you start upgrading, you find you need to upgrade other shit that you didn't think of. For example, if you're doing video editing than you might want a badass video card. But then you find that all the new video cards use PCI Express slots, not AGP, which is what your old computer probably has. So to get the proper slot for the video card, you also need a new motherboard. Which also means a new processor and RAM. And if you're getting a new motherboard, you'll find that it's hard to install your old hard drives, because the new motherboards use mainly SATA connections and your old ones are IDE. (You can get converters that will let you use your old drives.)

So it turns into a cascading effect. Sort of like upgrading your outfield to get the pieces you really need, but then that requires a new second baseman, because shit, you don't want an obsolete Chris Burke clogging up the speedy new system. So you upgrade at 2nd but now you've got all these dusty old pieces laying around ...

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« Reply #41 on: December 04, 2007, 01:54:18 pm »
Ironically enough, I'm also considering upgrading the home desktop to have more processing power.  It has served us well for five years, but with all the stuff we are now trying to get the little home-built desktop to do, it needs a face-lift.  I'm actually going to Fry's today to go look at motherboard/processor kits.  A friend who works at Dell promises to help walk me through the surgery.

I'm a little concerned at going this route instead of just buying a new desktop at a reduced Christmas sale price.  But if I find out I can do this for pennies on the dollar by going to Fry's, I'll give it whirl.  BTW - my friend told me the most expensive part will be the video card.

I think someone else said it already but you might be better off starting from scratch rather than over-hauling your existing system.  The approach you are taking is likely only going to save you the cost of the case, which gives you the housing, power supply and main fan.  A case generally runs $60-$120, last I checked.

As far as "economy", you can definitely put less expensive parts in your system but you may regret that route.  Building your own PC is no longer the "cheap" option.  What it does for you is give you the flexibility to put money where it's worthwhile, i.e. processor and disk drive.

If you are going to do video capture and editing, make sure your harddrive is a high RPM model.  Anything lower than 7200 rpm drops video frames.  Whatever you do, do not skimp on the memory. 

Let me know which route you go on the DVD-Writeable..  I was contemplating that addition but at the time, they were still debating preferred formats for DVD writeable drives. 

As for installing heat-syncs, why is that problematic?  The only time I've ever seen a problem was if someone used too much silicone grease (you should get a little syringe with the grease you should use) or none at all.  If you remember using elmer's glue in elementary school you will recognize the phrase, "A little dab will do ya'!"  Once you seat the heat sync, it should flatten out to about a dime size, no bigger than a nickel on some of the older processors.  Too much and you get the silicone grease in places where it's not meant to be. 
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« Reply #42 on: December 04, 2007, 01:56:37 pm »
Fry's is the best store ever created.  Little do they know if but there are parts from Fry's stores flying in satellites overhead right now.  Fry's rocks, I wish there was one here in the mid-Atlantic.  That is all.

And their newspaper ads make for the best bathroom reading material ever created...notwithstanding the Victoria's Secret catalogs in my mailbox, of course.

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« Reply #43 on: December 04, 2007, 02:00:48 pm »
What I've found is that when you start upgrading, you find you need to upgrade other shit that you didn't think of. For example, if you're doing video editing than you might want a badass video card. But then you find that all the new video cards use PCI Express slots, not AGP, which is what your old computer probably has. So to get the proper slot for the video card, you also need a new motherboard. Which also means a new processor and RAM. And if you're getting a new motherboard, you'll find that it's hard to install your old hard drives, because the new motherboards use mainly SATA connections and your old ones are IDE. (You can get converters that will let you use your old drives.)

So it turns into a cascading effect. Sort of like upgrading your outfield to get the pieces you really need, but then that requires a new second baseman, because shit, you don't want an obsolete Chris Burke clogging up the speedy new system. So you upgrade at 2nd but now you've got all these dusty old pieces laying around ...

So the moral of the story is ... it's always good to have someone at Dell that you can fall back on.

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This is my experience as well.  Two years ago, out of frustration, I went out and bought an HP machine from Best Buy with the best video card they had.  It has been maintenance free from day one.  I use my old home made machines with Linux and old video cards and that seems more forgiving than XP.   

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« Reply #44 on: December 04, 2007, 02:11:15 pm »
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« Reply #45 on: December 04, 2007, 02:29:23 pm »
I think someone else said it already but you might be better off starting from scratch rather than over-hauling your existing system.  The approach you are taking is likely only going to save you the cost of the case, which gives you the housing, power supply and main fan.  A case generally runs $60-$120, last I checked.

As far as "economy", you can definitely put less expensive parts in your system but you may regret that route.  Building your own PC is no longer the "cheap" option.  What it does for you is give you the flexibility to put money where it's worthwhile, i.e. processor and disk drive.

If you are going to do video capture and editing, make sure your harddrive is a high RPM model.  Anything lower than 7200 rpm drops video frames.  Whatever you do, do not skimp on the memory. 

Let me know which route you go on the DVD-Writeable..  I was contemplating that addition but at the time, they were still debating preferred formats for DVD writeable drives. 

As for installing heat-syncs, why is that problematic?  The only time I've ever seen a problem was if someone used too much silicone grease (you should get a little syringe with the grease you should use) or none at all.  If you remember using elmer's glue in elementary school you will recognize the phrase, "A little dab will do ya'!"  Once you seat the heat sync, it should flatten out to about a dime size, no bigger than a nickel on some of the older processors.  Too much and you get the silicone grease in places where it's not meant to be. 

I've read a lot of great suggestions, but I haven't seen anyone mention electro-static discharge. If your teenager doesn't read instruction manuals then he probably doesn't wear his bicycle helmet either, and probably won't use something like this. But it's a good investment and you can also find it at Fry's for a reasonable price. It will help keep all that money you spent on that super duper quadro dual-exhaust graphics card from going to waste because of that new Christmas sweater.

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« Reply #46 on: December 04, 2007, 02:35:08 pm »
I've read a lot of great suggestions, but I haven't seen anyone mention electro-static discharge. If your teenager doesn't read instruction manuals then he probably doesn't wear his bicycle helmet either, and probably won't use something like this. But it's a good investment and you can also find it at Fry's for a reasonable price. It will help keep all that money you spent on that super duper quadro dual-exhaust graphics card from going to waste because of that new Christmas sweater.

I have never used one and have not had a problem when replacing cards.  Not saying it isnt a good idea.

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« Reply #47 on: December 04, 2007, 02:39:09 pm »
I have never used one and have not had a problem when replacing cards.  Not saying it isnt a good idea.

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« Reply #48 on: December 04, 2007, 02:46:22 pm »
What video editing software do you use right now?

Adobe Premiere, although for quick and dirty, I can go with anything that gives me transitions and output back to a DVD burner.  I've never used Movie Maker for DVD output, just online stuff or files on a CD-ROM disc.

I need to enter into the realm of DVD more than I realized based on the projects/hobby that I've gotten into lately.  I'm actually very good at creating my shot list, doing the graphics and sound editing (Adobe Illustrator, Photoshop and Audition... man, I love Audition).  I've just been frustrated that I have to go to my wife's office to use her Dell computer (Dual Core, 1.6 Gig MHz, 2.0 Gig of RAM) to finish off a DVD.

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Just keep one hand/wrist/elbow on the chassis while working, if you can do it.

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« Reply #50 on: December 04, 2007, 02:47:40 pm »
Yeah the expensive video cards are mostly for pushing millions of detailed polygons, lighting and physics in games.  They do help with general resolution and any 3d animation rendering if that's your thing.

That would be my son's thing.  I want the video card to push out the digital to analog via S-Video output for presentations and such... oh, and yeah, there is that thingy about me buying a new widescreen monitor and using the computer port to bring in the analog signal from the box.  I'd rather see if I can get some digital display action going here!
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« Reply #51 on: December 04, 2007, 02:47:58 pm »
This is a well grounded post.

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« Reply #52 on: December 04, 2007, 02:51:25 pm »
Just keep one hand/wrist/elbow on the chassis while working, if you can do it.

One of my first bosses always would warn me to "ground yourself" when I told him I was going to "break open that damn computer and find out why it's not working right!".  I never understood him until the day *he* actually got a little shock from lack of grounding.

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« Reply #53 on: December 04, 2007, 02:55:08 pm »
Adobe Premiere, although for quick and dirty, I can go with anything that gives me transitions and output back to a DVD burner.  I've never used Movie Maker for DVD output, just online stuff or files on a CD-ROM disc.

I need to enter into the realm of DVD more than I realized based on the projects/hobby that I've gotten into lately.  I'm actually very good at creating my shot list, doing the graphics and sound editing (Adobe Illustrator, Photoshop and Audition... man, I love Audition).  I've just been frustrated that I have to go to my wife's office to use her Dell computer (Dual Core, 1.6 Gig MHz, 2.0 Gig of RAM) to finish off a DVD.

You can build your own and maybe save a few bucks but I'd probably go for a manufacturer's post-holiday deal. HP puts together some nice packages designed for multimedia. We have 5 HP workstations at our facility, 2 with Avid, 1 Adobe Production Studio, 1 3D Studio Max and an Autodesk Flint running Linux, which has a quad, quad core. Smokes!

For DVD encoding, definitely pump up the processing power and RAM. Our Adobe system loves the Nvidia Quadro video cards.
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« Reply #54 on: December 04, 2007, 03:25:38 pm »
Just keep one hand/wrist/elbow on the chassis while working, if you can do it.

I am pretty good with one hand operation....oh nevermind.

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« Reply #55 on: December 04, 2007, 03:29:08 pm »
I need to enter into the realm of DVD more than I realized based on the projects/hobby that I've gotten into lately. 

Porn, right?

I'm actually very good at creating my shot list...finish off a DVD.
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« Reply #56 on: December 04, 2007, 03:42:03 pm »

Porn, right?
Yep, porn.

Too funny, I had to shut my office door so no one would hear me laughing!  The truth is actually 180 degrees  on the other side of the projects I like to do with video editing.  Suffice it to say, I'm really enjoying doing this but need a better home computer to do it right.

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« Reply #57 on: December 04, 2007, 03:45:51 pm »
You can build your own and maybe save a few bucks but I'd probably go for a manufacturer's post-holiday deal.

I was thinking if I'm overwhelmed at Frys (and it's happened before), this will push more towards buying one from a manufacturer.

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Wow, I was looking at some HP's this weekend.  I would rather have the Intel processors, but if I have to go with the AMD, I will.  Those were great little machines with some nice processing power.  Do your machines use AMD chips?

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Nvidia is my preferred choice as well.  It is the most stable card I've used for output presentations as well.

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« Reply #58 on: December 04, 2007, 03:54:24 pm »
I was thinking if I'm overwhelmed at Frys (and it's happened before), this will push more towards buying one from a manufacturer.

Wow, I was looking at some HP's this weekend.  I would rather have the Intel processors, but if I have to go with the AMD, I will.  Those were great little machines with some nice processing power.  Do your machines use AMD chips?

Nvidia is my preferred choice as well.  It is the most stable card I've used for output presentations as well.
I have always stuck with Intel, but have heard nice things about AMD's boards.

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« Reply #59 on: December 04, 2007, 04:03:02 pm »
Wow, I was looking at some HP's this weekend.  I would rather have the Intel processors, but if I have to go with the AMD, I will.  Those were great little machines with some nice processing power.  Do your machines use AMD chips?

Three out of the five are AMD, including the quad, quad. I was always wary or them as well but they seem to perform quite nicely and would now consider them for my own use.
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« Reply #60 on: December 04, 2007, 04:04:19 pm »
This was great, from all concerned, including Jim.  Who mostly expressed my sentiments.

From pricing things, it looks like he won't save a lot of money, but could learn a lot.  That's probably worth the effort. 
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« Reply #61 on: December 04, 2007, 04:06:53 pm »
Sorry if I missed it elsewhere in here, but newegg.com and tigerdirect.com are both good online resources for buying components, in addition to Fry's.
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« Reply #62 on: December 04, 2007, 04:07:03 pm »
This was great, from all concerned, including Jim.  Who mostly expressed my sentiments.

From pricing things, it looks like he won't save a lot of money, but could learn a lot.  That's probably worth the effort. 

Learn alot by assembling a computer?  I guess.  I would rather my child learn a programming/query language.  Of coarse I am a SQL developer.

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« Reply #63 on: December 04, 2007, 04:09:05 pm »
This was great, from all concerned, including Jim.  Who mostly expressed my sentiments.

From pricing things, it looks like he won't save a lot of money, but could learn a lot.  That's probably worth the effort. 

Your ROI comes by way of fixing your own computer a great majority of the time rather than taking it to a computer repair shop that will charge you 75 dollars (or more) just to analyze your computer's problem.  Oh, that's the other part that is an ROI... you start to understand what a problem may be based on the behavior.  "That may be the battery running low... time to change out a battery", "Hmmmm... the video card isn't sitting right in the slot", et. al.

Kind of like knowing how to work on your own car because you did something to build the engine.  Maybe not.

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« Reply #64 on: December 04, 2007, 04:09:06 pm »
Learn alot by assembling a computer?  I guess.  I would rather my child learn a programming/query language.  Of coarse I am a SQL developer.

I thought all children came programmed with a query language.
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« Reply #65 on: December 04, 2007, 04:09:28 pm »
From pricing things, it looks like he won't save a lot of money, but could learn a lot.  That's probably worth the effort. 

In my experience, the money you save is almost made up for in physical effort and troubleshooting if there are problems. He will gain a lot of valuable experience, though.
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« Reply #66 on: December 04, 2007, 04:10:35 pm »
I thought all children came programmed with a query language.

Yep, just not a structural query language.

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« Reply #67 on: December 04, 2007, 04:11:55 pm »
In my experience, the money you save is almost made up for in physical effort and troubleshooting if there are problems. He will gain a lot of valuable experience, though.

Maybe, but just like anything else that knowledge will be forgotten if not used regularly.  This is where Google helps out.

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« Reply #68 on: December 04, 2007, 04:13:40 pm »
Learn alot by assembling a computer?  I guess.  I would rather my child learn a programming/query language.  Of coarse I am a SQL developer.

You Application Develper types always think your skills are more important that the system admin skills!  Nothing worse than an App-Dev Bigot!

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« Reply #69 on: December 04, 2007, 04:15:00 pm »
You Application Develper types always think your skills are more important that the system admin skills!  Nothing worse than an App-Dev Bigot!

(in the event the sarcasm isn't obvious, this was written with sarcasm strongly intended)

Funny. 

But you said system admin skills, not sweatshop labor skills.

counterpoint..Assembly worked for Micheal Dell.
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« Reply #70 on: December 04, 2007, 04:44:25 pm »
Funny. 

But you said system admin skills, not sweatshop labor skills.

counterpoint..Assembly worked for Micheal Dell.

I figure this is like the timing light I wanted for Christmas in high school  I surely spent a lot of time learning how to replace distributor roaters and adust timing.  I could even gap spark plugs.

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« Reply #71 on: December 04, 2007, 04:47:46 pm »
So... uh, that Jeremy Affledt's quite the player.  I wonder if he's going to get what he's asking?

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« Reply #72 on: December 04, 2007, 04:50:33 pm »
I'm looking to buy a cheap laptop as a gift for someone for Christmas. Does buying one of the $500 ones offered by Dell, HP et al. mean I'd be getting total crap? The only thing it would be used for is surfing the Internet.

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« Reply #73 on: December 04, 2007, 04:55:35 pm »
I'm looking to buy a cheap laptop as a gift for someone for Christmas. Does buying one of the $500 ones offered by Dell, HP et al. mean I'd be getting total crap? The only thing it would be used for is surfing the Internet.

Nope, those are fine machines.  But be careful not to get pulled into the hype of multimedia enabled (gaming, video editing, et. al.) with those lower end deals.  You'd have to upgrade them a little to make it work.  But for surfing the net and doing just a little more than usual to display multimedia (especially if we're talking VISTA OS) and manage it, they'll be fine machines.

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« Reply #74 on: December 04, 2007, 05:00:00 pm »
So... uh, that Jeremy Affledt's quite the player.  I wonder if he's going to get what he's asking?


What's this got to do with timing lights, video cards, or new televisions?  Get with the program.  This thread's been hijacked.
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« Reply #75 on: December 04, 2007, 05:02:40 pm »
Nope, those are fine machines.  But be careful not to get pulled into the hype of multimedia enabled (gaming, video editing, et. al.) with those lower end deals.  You'd have to upgrade them a little to make it work.  But for surfing the net and doing just a little more than usual to display multimedia (especially if we're talking VISTA OS) and manage it, they'll be fine machines.

Thanks for the input. It's for my mom, who thinks multimedia means ABC, NBC and CBS. She just needs something to do easy things like online billpay. It seems a little excessive to buy a brand new machine just for that, but maybe she'd learn to do a few other simple Web-surfing things if she had her own computer.

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« Reply #76 on: December 04, 2007, 05:05:05 pm »
I have a plain jane Dell laptop just so I can surf and load images from my camera. Works great. I'm not a PC gamer so it was all I needed. I purchased it earlier this year, right before Vista.
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« Reply #77 on: December 04, 2007, 05:06:28 pm »
I also have the same laptop (I bought three identical) for my wife and MIL. No problems with any of them.
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« Reply #78 on: December 04, 2007, 05:15:31 pm »
Thanks for the input. It's for my mom, who thinks multimedia means ABC, NBC and CBS. She just needs something to do easy things like online billpay. It seems a little excessive to buy a brand new machine just for that, but maybe she'd learn to do a few other simple Web-surfing things if she had her own computer.

Watching online web-cast is also becoming the norm, so it has to have some amount of processing to handle that and Vista at the same time.  Also you want to be able to handle audio cast and picture management, so that requires not only good processing speed (Pentium 4 is usually the baseline nowadays for the low end machines, which is good), but good storage capacity (80 to 100 Gig drive).  The new low-end machines have that, so those are good so you can have a laptop for computer needs and a multimedia machine for display and storage purposes primarily.

It's when you get into the higher end of developing your own multimedia (*ie, making your own video, making your own audio, et. al.) that you'll need a higher end processor (Dual Core) and lots of storage space (250 Gig drive).  The computer age is morphing into multimedia as we speak so eventually having a computer means having a mini-entertainment machine.

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« Reply #79 on: December 04, 2007, 05:24:35 pm »
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« Reply #80 on: December 04, 2007, 05:29:36 pm »
Get a Mac.

Tested a Mac laptop over the Thanksgiving holidays.  Sweet multimedia machine to be sure, but kind of quirky and prone to being just a tad finicky while trying to load some pics and run a movie preview in the background.

The sound on it was excellent though.

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« Reply #81 on: December 04, 2007, 05:33:44 pm »
Tested a Mac laptop over the Thanksgiving holidays.  Sweet multimedia machine to be sure, but kind of quirky and prone to being just a tad finicky while trying to load some pics and run a movie preview in the background.

The sound on it was excellent though.

The sweet things about Macs is that (after beefing up the RAM), they'll run Windows better than a PC.  You get the smooth interface of Leopard for day-to-day, and an easy switch over to Windows for non-Mac stuff and games.

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« Reply #82 on: December 04, 2007, 05:39:01 pm »
The sweet things about Macs is that (after beefing up the RAM), they'll run Windows better than a PC.  You get the smooth interface of Leopard for day-to-day, and an easy switch over to Windows for non-Mac stuff and games.

A MacPro is an 800lb gorilla of a desktop.

My very first computer was a MAC.  I did some desktop publishing on the side with it and made some nice extra money.  But back then, they were very expensive machines, almost five times the cost of a regular desktop.  And expensive to maintain as well.  Is it still the same?  Unless you're a power multimedia user, I think this is excessive for the type of multimedia hobby one may be into. 

I think MACs are for those who use them for small business in the creative field, they're not necessarily what you'd call cost-effective.

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« Reply #83 on: December 04, 2007, 05:42:36 pm »
My very first computer was a MAC.  I did some desktop publishing on the side with it and made some nice extra money.  But back then, they were very expensive machines, almost five times the cost of a regular desktop.  And expensive to maintain as well.  Is it still the same?  Unless you're a power multimedia user, I think this is excessive for the type of multimedia hobby one may be into. 

I think MACs are for those who use them for small business in the creative field, they're not necessarily what you'd call cost-effective.

I agree with you on almost all points.  However, I am often surprised that more businesses don't take up Mac as an option as its software takes a helluva lot less maintenance, and therefore reduces downtime, tech support time and upgrade costs.

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« Reply #84 on: December 04, 2007, 05:49:42 pm »
My very first computer was a MAC.  I did some desktop publishing on the side with it and made some nice extra money.  But back then, they were very expensive machines, almost five times the cost of a regular desktop.  And expensive to maintain as well.  Is it still the same?  Unless you're a power multimedia user, I think this is excessive for the type of multimedia hobby one may be into. 

I think MACs are for those who use them for small business in the creative field, they're not necessarily what you'd call cost-effective.

Because of the included software, they're actually pretty ideal for casual multimedia hobbyists. My dad loves tooling around in iMovie / iPhoto and sending us DVDs. They're still not what you'd call cheap, but an iMac is only marginally more expensive than a comparably-equipped small-footprint PC with monitor form, say, HP or Sony.

For anyone considering this route, I highly suggest checking the computers out at an Apple store, then browse the online Apple store to check for refurbs. They carry the exact same warranty, and I've used more than a dozen of them at my office with no problems outside of the norm. Stocking up the RAM from Crucial.com is a great way to go, too. Getting the RAM built-to-order via Apple gets you gouged.

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« Reply #85 on: December 04, 2007, 05:50:59 pm »
My very first computer was a MAC.  I did some desktop publishing on the side with it and made some nice extra money.  But back then, they were very expensive machines, almost five times the cost of a regular desktop.  And expensive to maintain as well.  Is it still the same?  Unless you're a power multimedia user, I think this is excessive for the type of multimedia hobby one may be into. 

I think MACs are for those who use them for small business in the creative field, they're not necessarily what you'd call cost-effective.

I use a Mac at home, and like it.  It's much faster since I beefed up the RAM, but it's pre-dual processor windows.  I tried to buy a new one for my wife, who insisted on a pc, but I've priced them pretty recently.  The following numbers are rough.

The IMacs with a 20"screen start at something like 1.2k, and are pretty powerful at 1.4k.  The 24" screen gets up to about $2300, but I didn't really consider it. 

The 13" macbooks range from about $1200 to about $1500.  The MacBook Pros are bigger, and are more expensive. I recall that they were well over $2000. What I was told (and this makes sense to me) is that the real difference between the MacBooks and the MacBook Pros is the graphics capabilities.  The MacBook Pros are built for professional graphics applications, the MacBooks are built for lawyers and students and such.

We looked at the minis, too, but they come without screens, and the prices seemed to run up pretty fast.

I really like the IMacs.  Limey, is it easy to go from Leopard to Windows?


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« Reply #86 on: December 04, 2007, 05:52:07 pm »
Because of the included software, they're actually pretty ideal for casual multimedia hobbyists. My dad loves tooling around in iMovie / iPhoto and sending us DVDs. They're still not what you'd call cheap, but an iMac is only marginally more expensive than a comparably-equipped small-footprint PC with monitor form, say, HP or Sony.

For anyone considering this route, I highly suggest checking the computers out at an Apple store, then browse the online Apple store to check for refurbs. They carry the exact same warranty, and I've used more than a dozen of them at my office with no problems outside of the norm. Stocking up the RAM from Crucial.com is a great way to go, too. Getting the RAM built-to-order via Apple gets you gouged.

(Sorry for the evangelizing.)

Not at all, this is the sort of thing you need to know if you're going to invest in a iMAC.  It's beyond just having a computer at this point.

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« Reply #87 on: December 04, 2007, 06:03:15 pm »
I use a Mac at home, and like it.  It's much faster since I beefed up the RAM, but it's pre-dual processor windows.  I tried to buy a new one for my wife, who insisted on a pc, but I've priced them pretty recently.  The following numbers are rough.

The IMacs with a 20"screen start at something like 1.2k, and are pretty powerful are 1.4k.  The 24" screen gets up to about $2300, but I didn't really consider it. 

The 13" macbooks range from about $1200 to about $1500.  The MacPros are bigger, and are more expensive. I recall that they were well over $2000. What I was told (and this makes sense to me) is that the real difference between the MacBooks and the MacPros is the graphics capabilities.  The MacPros are built for professional graphics applications, the MacBooks are built for lawyers and students and such.

We looked at the minis, too, but they come without screens, and the prices seemed to run up prett fast.

I really like the IMacs.  Limey, is it easy to go from Leapord to Windows?

You're about right on the prices.  Apple stuff is almost never discounted, so it's the same price online, in an Apple store or in Comp USA etc.  If buying new, I'd always go to an Apple store because it's retail done right.

As far as moving from Leopard to Windows, Leopard has an improved "Boot Camp", which allows you to shut down and reboot running Windows.  Boot Camp makes the necessary drive partitions so the two OSs never cross swords.

A better option though, until Apple deliver this function within Leopard (which it promised a while back but didn't get into V1.0), is to use Parallels or similar software that lets you run Windows inside the Mac environment.  This requires a decent heft of RAM to run smoothly, but negates all that messy rebooting etc.
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« Reply #89 on: December 04, 2007, 08:20:46 pm »
You're about right on the prices.  Apple stuff is almost never discounted, so it's the same price online, in an Apple store or in Comp USA etc.  If buying new, I'd always go to an Apple store because it's retail done right.

If buying online after picking at the Apple store, Amazon frequently has Macs for $50-$100 less than anywhere else (usually after a rebate.) I've always had good luck with the refurbs, which rotate in stock in the specials deals section of the Apple online store. As of right now, they have stock of the $1200 entry 20" iMac for $1050.
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« Reply #90 on: December 04, 2007, 08:35:49 pm »
I really like the IMacs.  Limey, is it easy to go from Leopard to Windows?

I'm not Limey, but I currently run Windows alongside Tiger (no need to upgrade just yet) on a dual-processor Intel iMac.   Works like a champ.   I use a program called Parallels to run the Windows.  It's a very thin virtual system.


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« Reply #91 on: December 04, 2007, 08:40:07 pm »
I'm not Limey, but I currently run Windows alongside Tiger (no need to upgrade just yet) on a dual-processor Intel iMac.   Works like a champ.   I use a program called Parallels to run the Windows.  It's a very thin virtual system.

Likewise. I have to do a fair amount of testing in Windows on my Mac at work, and running Windows in the current version of Parallels is a dream. Life for me is so much easier than it was 2 years ago.
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« Reply #92 on: December 04, 2007, 08:43:26 pm »
Get a Mac.

I've got two, and if the new computer were for me, I'd get a third. But I'm not prepared to spend twice as much to get an iBook for someone who isn't going to use iLife or anything else special about a Mac.

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« Reply #93 on: December 04, 2007, 08:44:58 pm »
If buying online after picking at the Apple store, Amazon frequently has Macs for $50-$100 less than anywhere else (usually after a rebate.) I've always had good luck with the refurbs, which rotate in stock in the specials deals section of the Apple online store. As of right now, they have stock of the $1200 entry 20" iMac for $1050.

I used to buy memory from this place; would you take a chance on buying a refurbed iBook there?

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« Reply #94 on: December 04, 2007, 09:23:40 pm »
I used to buy memory from this place; would you take a chance on buying a refurbed iBook there?

http://store.a1acomputing.com/


I've ordered Macs from them before (and Powermax and Small Dog), when they sold certified Apple refurbished units, and had no problems. But, I believe only Apple sells the official refurbs now, which is an important distinction - they're not the same as a used Mac, and they come with the same warranty as any other new Mac.

Everything I'm currently seeing on Mac Solutions is an old used computer that they've polished up. That's not necessarily bad, as long as you know what you're getting. I would strongly encourage anyone going the used route to avoid pre-Intel Macs, which all of the ones at Mac Solutions are.
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« Reply #95 on: December 04, 2007, 10:53:42 pm »
I would strongly encourage anyone going the used route to avoid pre-Intel Macs, which all of the ones at Mac Solutions are.

For the uninitiated, pre-Intel Macs can't run Windows like Intel Macs can.
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« Reply #96 on: December 04, 2007, 10:58:47 pm »
I've ordered Macs from them before (and Powermax and Small Dog), when they sold certified Apple refurbished units, and had no problems. But, I believe only Apple sells the official refurbs now, which is an important distinction - they're not the same as a used Mac, and they come with the same warranty as any other new Mac.

Everything I'm currently seeing on Mac Solutions is an old used computer that they've polished up. That's not necessarily bad, as long as you know what you're getting. I would strongly encourage anyone going the used route to avoid pre-Intel Macs, which all of the ones at Mac Solutions are.

I noticed that it's a 30-day warranty. That's a big-risk on a used machine.

My iMac is pre-Intel. It's a G5, but then I don't have a need to run Windows at home. As long as iLife, Office, Filemaker and Safari run like I need them to, I'm OK.

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« Reply #97 on: December 04, 2007, 11:17:55 pm »
What's this got to do with timing lights, video cards, or new televisions?  Get with the program.  This thread's been hijacked.

Yeah, if they had stuck to Xbox I would've gone with the flow but when they started talking about building your own computer I got lost.  I'm also bitter about not being able to get a new TV this year (thanks Conns for cutting my salary in half while expecting more work!) so I didn't join in on the TV debate.

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« Reply #98 on: December 05, 2007, 08:22:03 am »
I never thought I'd say it but Macs are starting to look more appealing.  My opinion was probably swayed when I found out the oS now runs a BSD UNIX under the covers.  That's a very solid platform to start on.  The only reason to stick with a PC, from what I can tell is cost. 
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« Reply #99 on: December 05, 2007, 09:38:12 am »
I never thought I'd say it but Macs are starting to look more appealing.  My opinion was probably swayed when I found out the oS now runs a BSD UNIX under the covers.  That's a very solid platform to start on.  The only reason to stick with a PC, from what I can tell is cost. 
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The only problem is pricing, for me anyway.  I've recently acquired a linux system with a desktop style OS so I may move into the true-geek territory soon. 

Cost is a huge deterrent unless you plan to use said machine as a business tool and can get some ROI out of the deal.  Of course, there are those who buy supped-up PCs for gaming, but even then, some of those guys are running some sort of gaming business on the side to make money off these machines.

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« Reply #100 on: December 05, 2007, 09:54:10 am »
Cost is a huge deterrent unless you plan to use said machine as a business tool and can get some ROI out of the deal.  Of course, there are those who buy supped-up PCs for gaming, but even then, some of those guys are running some sort of gaming business on the side to make money off these machines.

I think the Macs are more expensive on the front end, but I'm not sure that's true over their life.  My IBook cost about $1100, and it's lasted about 3 1/2 years now.  It's been sturdy, free from invasion without a lot of time, effort, and protective software, and easy to use.  When it needed repair--if I recall it was the hard drive--I went to the apple store in the galleria and had it back reasonably quick.  When I added memory a month or so ago, it was like owning a new machine.  My daughter's MacBook Pro is a year older then mine, and she's hauled it around campus and high school with nothing but a few dings in the metal case.  I suspect we would both be on our second PC by now, or at least wishing we were. 
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« Reply #101 on: December 05, 2007, 10:10:46 am »
I'm actually considering a MacBook Pro as my next laptop. I use it for work as well as personal stuff so the cost isn't that much of a problem, although it is a few hundred more than a comparable PC LT. I would be using the Boot Camp feature to run Windows primarily for work (I have a seat of AfterEffects for working at home) and have the Mac OS as something to play with. Anyone using Boot Camp to run Windows on an Intel Mac with Leopard?
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« Reply #102 on: December 05, 2007, 10:15:44 am »
I never thought I'd say it but Macs are starting to look more appealing.  My opinion was probably swayed when I found out the oS now runs a BSD UNIX under the covers.  That's a very solid platform to start on.  The only reason to stick with a PC, from what I can tell is cost. 
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The only problem is pricing, for me anyway.  I've recently acquired a linux system with a desktop style OS so I may move into the true-geek territory soon. 

As for applications, get OpenOffice.   

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« Reply #103 on: December 05, 2007, 10:44:56 am »
Applications (Word processing, spreadsheets, etc...): Microsoft Windows, but not for much longer...

There is a Mac version of MS Office, which is totally compatible with the Windows version (so you can email files around without any problems).  I'm sure there are others, but personal finance software is one area where software companies have sold the Mac short.  Quicken's Mac version is about 5 years behind the Windows version, and there's no easy way to transfer your Windows data to the Mac version.  For me, that's my only area of concern, which is why a Mac running Windows is great because I only have one app. for which I need Windows now.
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« Reply #104 on: December 05, 2007, 10:52:49 am »
There is a Mac version of MS Office, which is totally compatible with the Windows version (so you can email files around without any problems).  I'm sure there are others, but personal finance software is one area where software companies have sold the Mac short.  Quicken's Mac version is about 5 years behind the Windows version, and there's no easy way to transfer your Windows data to the Mac version.  For me, that's my only area of concern, which is why a Mac running Windows is great because I only have one app. for which I need Windows now.

That's exactly the same boat I'm in: I've got years of Quicken data, and for whatever reason the Mac version can't import it, and is feature-deficient to boot.  But if Parallels/BootCamp does the job, our next replacement machine for the home will probably be an iMac (both daughters have MacBook Pros that they love, so we're pretty familiar with the environment already).
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« Reply #105 on: December 05, 2007, 10:57:20 am »
Anyone using Boot Camp to run Windows on an Intel Mac with Leopard?

I haven't upgraded to Leopard yet, but my cousin (who's in video production) has been using Boot Camp with Leopard on his MacBook Pro, and says all is well.

The current version of Parallels also allows you to use your Boot Camp partition as your virtual machine, so you can boot natively into Windows at work, or hop over into the same Windows install in Parallels when you just need it for a few minutes at home.
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« Reply #106 on: December 05, 2007, 11:01:55 am »
That's exactly the same boat I'm in: I've got years of Quicken data, and for whatever reason the Mac version can't import it, and is feature-deficient to boot.  But if Parallels/BootCamp does the job, our next replacement machine for the home will probably be an iMac (both daughters have MacBook Pros that they love, so we're pretty familiar with the environment already).

Exactly.  My Quicken file goes back to 1994!  I don't really need to keep all that stuff, but it's there so why dust it after all these years?

You can use Leopard's Boot Camp if you don't mind having to re-start to access Quicken, or Parallels costs about $80 and let's you do it from within the Mac environment.  Apple originally said that Leopard would have this feature built-in, but then dropped it some months prior to release.  I expect it'll get added sooner rather than later.

ETA:  Either way, you need your own copy of Windows.
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« Reply #107 on: December 05, 2007, 11:08:16 am »
I haven't upgraded to Leopard yet, but my cousin (who's in video production) has been using Boot Camp with Leopard on his MacBook Pro, and says all is well.

The current version of Parallels also allows you to use your Boot Camp partition as your virtual machine, so you can boot natively into Windows at work, or hop over into the same Windows install in Parallels when you just need it for a few minutes at home.

Thanks for the info. All reports I've gotten says Windows runs great on the Intel Macs.

I've heard that Parallels would not efficiently handle programs such as AfterEffects, Photoshop, etc. I would be using Windows more than the Mac OS as I already have these programs for PC (along with Office). I might eventually migrate to Mac versions through upgrades, though.
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« Reply #108 on: December 05, 2007, 11:13:57 am »
That's exactly the same boat I'm in: I've got years of Quicken data, and for whatever reason the Mac version can't import it, and is feature-deficient to boot.  But if Parallels/BootCamp does the job, our next replacement machine for the home will probably be an iMac (both daughters have MacBook Pros that they love, so we're pretty familiar with the environment already).

This is exactly why I bought Parallels.  I had a Windoze box running Quicken and other I.E.-required programs.   I simply connected both my iMac and the Windoze box to my house network and had Parallels dump the entire OS off the Windoze box and into a Parallels boot image on my Mac.   Works fantastically and I'm able to run all of my programs from before that require Windoze.

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« Reply #109 on: December 05, 2007, 11:16:58 am »
Thanks for the info. All reports I've gotten says Windows runs great on the Intel Macs.

I've heard that Parallels would not efficiently handle programs such as AfterEffects, Photoshop, etc. I would be using Windows more than the Mac OS as I already have these programs for PC (along with Office). I might eventually migrate to Mac versions through upgrades, though.

That would be my problem as well, all the software I've invested in will not work on a MAC.  I would have to re-invest in software upgrades (Adobe and Macromedia, which is now the same company).  Yikes.

I'm telling you, the only way I would do that is if I knew that I could sell some services off that machine to recoup the money pronto, else I've got an expensive machine that has no real gap value above the PC.

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« Reply #110 on: December 05, 2007, 12:29:52 pm »
That would be my problem as well, all the software I've invested in will not work on a MAC.  I would have to re-invest in software upgrades (Adobe and Macromedia, which is now the same company).  Yikes.

I'm telling you, the only way I would do that is if I knew that I could sell some services off that machine to recoup the money pronto, else I've got an expensive machine that has no real gap value above the PC.

Mac's ain't for everyone.  But I would say that, if and when you come to think about upgrading your current machine, give some consideration to a Mac.
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« Reply #111 on: December 06, 2007, 12:11:59 am »
This is a tangent from the tangent from the original thread.  But this seems to be the potential adverse effect of playing the Wii.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3z1vuiy9IVo
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« Reply #112 on: December 06, 2007, 07:38:43 am »
This is a tangent from the tangent from the original thread.  But this seems to be the potential adverse effect of playing the Wii.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3z1vuiy9IVo

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« Reply #113 on: December 06, 2007, 09:53:54 am »
This is a tangent from the tangent from the original thread.  But this seems to be the potential adverse effect of playing the Wii.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3z1vuiy9IVo

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« Reply #114 on: December 06, 2007, 09:56:50 am »
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« Reply #115 on: December 06, 2007, 10:17:28 am »
This is a tangent from the tangent from the original thread.  But this seems to be the potential adverse effect of playing the Wii.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3z1vuiy9IVo

I actually know a kid who broke his leg playing on the Wii.  He was playing bowling.  He got a strike, jumped up to celebrate, landed wrong and that night he was in a cast.

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« Reply #116 on: December 06, 2007, 10:23:13 am »
I actually know a kid who broke his leg playing on the Wii.  He was playing bowling.  He got a strike, jumped up to celebrate, landed wrong and that night he was in a cast.

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« Reply #117 on: December 07, 2007, 01:36:32 pm »
I actually know a kid who broke his leg playing on the Wii.  He was playing bowling.  He got a strike, jumped up to celebrate, landed wrong and that night he was in a cast.

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« Reply #118 on: December 07, 2007, 02:06:35 pm »
This thread has diverged.  I blame myself, really.

Anyway, I'd just like to chime in with some more praise for the Mac.  I got one for the first time in 1999 to do video editing.  They have their quirks, but they don't break for no reason (unlike Windows).

Also, for those of you running Parallels, VMWare Fusion is a superior alternative (IMHO).

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« Reply #119 on: December 07, 2007, 02:09:27 pm »
Also, for those of you running Parallels, VMWare Fusion is a superior alternative (IMHO).

From what I understand, the only way to tell these two apart is by personal preference.  Like marmite vs. vegemite.  Essentially the same thing that the uninitiated will not be able to tell apart.
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« Reply #120 on: December 07, 2007, 02:12:48 pm »

Also, for those of you running Parallels, VMWare Fusion is a superior alternative (IMHO).


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« Reply #121 on: December 07, 2007, 02:16:26 pm »
From what I understand, the only way to tell these two apart is by personal preference.  Like marmite vs. vegemite.  Essentially the same thing that the uninitiated will not be able to tell apart.

Mmmmm, marmite.
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« Reply #122 on: December 07, 2007, 02:18:01 pm »
Mmmmm, marmite.

Of course, marmite/vegemite is a byproduct of beer-making.  The perfect food?
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« Reply #123 on: December 07, 2007, 02:19:51 pm »
Of course, marmite/vegemite is a byproduct of beer-making.  The perfect food?

My Irish girlfriend makes marmite roasted potatoes which are quite good.
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« Reply #124 on: December 07, 2007, 02:34:50 pm »
My Irish girlfriend makes marmite roasted potatoes which are quite good.

Ooooooo.  Sounds interesting.
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« Reply #125 on: December 07, 2007, 02:41:25 pm »
My Irish girlfriend makes marmite roasted potatoes which are quite good.

You had me at "Irish girlfriend".  Do tell.
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« Reply #126 on: December 07, 2007, 02:44:06 pm »
You had me at "Irish girlfriend".  Do tell.

For Ty's sake, I hope it's one of The Corrs.
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« Reply #127 on: December 07, 2007, 02:47:32 pm »
She's my girlfriend (fiancee actually, but I don't know how to spell that), and she's Irish. Not off the boat Irish but both sets of grandparents emigrated. She's into all things Irish, including beer, potatoes, Gaelic football and visiting the family's house over there. I can't complain.
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« Reply #128 on: December 07, 2007, 03:24:09 pm »
My Irish girlfriend makes marmite roasted potatoes which are quite good.

is it possible that this hijacked thread will get hijacked again?

Before it happens and the whole of OWA begins singing the praises of marmite, i'd like to go back to Mac vs. PC.  My wife and I are in the market for a new computer, and I'm convinced that it should be a laptop.  that way we keep our old computer and the tons of shit that we have on it (music, movies, pictures, etc.) and the kids can take over to play Lego Star Wars whenever they please.

[stupid questions]

1) Are wireless routers compatible with both PC and Macs?  We'd still want to be able to use the old computer to get on the internet and all that.

2) The main thing we'd want to do with the lap top is internet and email, but I also want to do minor photo/video editing.  (We're talking slide show from our family vacation type stuff, not Star Wars Episode VII.)  My question, will the bottom line mac notebook handle that type of stuff?

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« Reply #129 on: December 07, 2007, 03:28:38 pm »
Anyway, I'd just like to chime in with some more praise for the Mac.  I got one for the first time in 1999 to do video editing.  They have their quirks, but they don't break for no reason (unlike Windows).

One thing Apple have done so well is give people stuff that does what they want, not merely what is easy to make the operating system do.  They also make it a joy to buy one, which helps a lot!

Here's the video that explains what they've added to Leopard, which is an upgrade on Tiger, when Tiger was already more advanced than Vista when Vista came out.  It's also cheaper than Vista, and doesn't require extra virus software or spyware etc.  Some of that shit is just so simple, and so damn useful, it's not funny.  Time Machine makes it achingly easy to restore long deleted files and emails.  Spaces has to be the ultimate "boss button".  And the other shit is just cool.

And then you look at what you get bundled with the OS in the iLife package.  All of that shit is the...ummm...shit!  And it's all included!  Free!
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« Reply #130 on: December 07, 2007, 03:30:18 pm »
1) Are wireless routers compatible with both PC and Macs?  We'd still want to be able to use the old computer to get on the internet and all that.

2) The main thing we'd want to do with the lap top is internet and email, but I also want to do minor photo/video editing.  (We're talking slide show from our family vacation type stuff, not Star Wars Episode VII.)  My question, will the bottom line mac notebook handle that type of stuff?

I'm no expert, but I do have a MacBook (your basic model, not the Pro) for work, and I think I can take a shot here.

1) I think so. Mine certainly seems fine when I take my MacBook home (where we have two PCs).

2) My computer slows down a little when I have my usuals -- Entourage, Safari, Firefox, & Yahoo Messenger -- all open and then try to open Photoshop. But it all still runs, and if I'd just close a couple of those, I doubt I'd have any trouble at all.
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« Reply #131 on: December 07, 2007, 03:32:22 pm »
is it possible that this hijacked thread will get hijacked again?

Before it happens and the whole of OWA begins singing the praises of marmite, i'd like to go back to Mac vs. PC.  My wife and I are in the market for a new computer, and I'm convinced that it should be a laptop.  that way we keep our old computer and the tons of shit that we have on it (music, movies, pictures, etc.) and the kids can take over to play Lego Star Wars whenever they please.

[stupid questions]

1) Are wireless routers compatible with both PC and Macs?  We'd still want to be able to use the old computer to get on the internet and all that.

2) The main thing we'd want to do with the lap top is internet and email, but I also want to do minor photo/video editing.  (We're talking slide show from our family vacation type stuff, not Star Wars Episode VII.)  My question, will the bottom line mac notebook handle that type of stuff?

[/stupid questions]



Yes, wireless routers are compatible with both PC and Macs.

Bottomline MAC notebooks will handle what you want easily.  But if you have PC software you enjoy (like Adobe or Macromedia), be prepared to buy a whole new set of Mac enabled software.  Also, welcome to the world of Quicktime, you'll be stepping off WMP and RA now.

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« Reply #132 on: December 07, 2007, 03:33:50 pm »
They also make it a joy to buy one, which helps a lot!

Apple stores creep me out.

...and doesn't require extra virus software or spyware etc.

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« Reply #133 on: December 07, 2007, 03:38:19 pm »
1) Are wireless routers compatible with both PC and Macs?  We'd still want to be able to use the old computer to get on the internet and all that.

Yes.  And you can wirelessly network Macs and PCs together, although Windows makes you jump through more hoops than OS X to get it done.

2) The main thing we'd want to do with the lap top is internet and email, but I also want to do minor photo/video editing.  (We're talking slide show from our family vacation type stuff, not Star Wars Episode VII.)  My question, will the bottom line mac notebook handle that type of stuff?

Apple's mail app is wonderful.  Better than Outlook could ever dream of being.  Just look at the Leopard video (linked in a post above) and see what it can do in addition to being a fabulous mail app!

Mac's web browser, Safari, is great, but will fall down on occasion when you get those sites that work with IE only.  You can get IE (and Firefox) for the Mac if that's a regular problem for you, but it shouldn't be enough to put you off a Mac.

The Mac comes with iPhoto and iMovie for free, and they are perfect for anyone who isn't a professional (Mac has other software for true pros).  Again, take a look at the iLife page on the Apple site, and just see what these apps can do and how easily and quickly they do it.

Yes, the bottom line Mac laptop will be able to handle it.  Maybe with a boost to the RAM if you are going to make large movies.  They have Intel processors (so they can run Windows too) and the Mac OS is so slick that it simply runs faster than Windows because it has to do many fewer commands to achieve the same result.  All the laptops come with built-in WiFi, Bluetooth and an iSight webcam.

Get thee to thy nearest Apple Store.  Play with the machines and talk to the genius doods.  You'll walk out of there with one in no time (they even make shopping easier - you can pay right out there on the floor and they bring your purchase to you).

ETA:  DVD burner available in all models.  Standard in those with the 2.2Gb Core Duo chip.
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« Reply #134 on: December 07, 2007, 03:45:29 pm »

Mac's web browser, Safari, is great, but will fall down on occasion when you get those sites that work with IE only.  You can get IE (and Firefox) for the Mac if that's a regular problem for you, but it shouldn't be enough to put you off a Mac.


That ain't exactly true.  You cannot get a useful version of IE to run on Mac.   Hence why I run Windoze alongside Tiger.

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« Reply #135 on: December 07, 2007, 03:47:48 pm »
That ain't exactly true.  You cannot get a useful version of IE to run on Mac.   Hence why I run Windoze alongside Tiger.

Yeah, good luck with running IE on a MAC.  Very quirky.  Although Safari is a really nice browser... but it will hang up on IE enabled sites quite a bit.

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« Reply #136 on: December 07, 2007, 03:52:53 pm »
That ain't exactly true.  You cannot get a useful version of IE to run on Mac.   Hence why I run Windoze alongside Tiger.

Can the Mac version of Firefox open IE tabs like the Windows version?  That could be an easier workaround.
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« Reply #137 on: December 07, 2007, 03:58:45 pm »
I know you take a risk getting what you pay for, but Microcenter has an Acer laptop on sale for $379. Would it better to pay more for one that has the Dell or Compaq logo on it?

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« Reply #138 on: December 07, 2007, 04:00:55 pm »
I know you take a risk getting what you pay for, but Microcenter has an Acer laptop on sale for $379. Would it better to pay more for one that has the Dell or Compaq logo on it?

That's a helluva bargain, but what sort of upgrades would it require to be WiFi compatible, protected from viruses and beefy enough to make movies on?

ETA: plus movie/photo software will need to be purchased most likely.
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« Reply #139 on: December 07, 2007, 05:54:34 pm »
Can the Mac version of Firefox open IE tabs like the Windows version?  That could be an easier workaround.

No because the IETabs extension simply uses the IE that's embedded in Windows and displays it in a Firefox Tab.   That doesn't work on MacOS.

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« Reply #140 on: December 07, 2007, 05:59:34 pm »
Can the Mac version of Firefox open IE tabs like the Windows version?  That could be an easier workaround.

I've always gone to firefox when I had a problem with Safari.  The IE for mac isn't being updated anymore.
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« Reply #141 on: December 07, 2007, 06:02:26 pm »
So wait - I should definitely buy a Mac over Jeremy Affeldt, but if I want Ty's Irish girlfriend to roast me some potatoes I'll have to get compatible software to play MVP 2005?
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« Reply #142 on: December 07, 2007, 06:40:35 pm »
So wait - I should definitely buy a Mac over Jeremy Affeldt, but if I want Ty's Irish girlfriend to roast me some potatoes I'll have to get compatible software to play MVP 2005?

And make a movie out of it too...

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« Reply #143 on: December 07, 2007, 06:54:45 pm »
So wait - I should definitely buy a Mac over Jeremy Affeldt, but if I want Ty's Irish girlfriend to roast me some potatoes I'll have to get compatible software to play MVP 2005?

And a new video card.

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« Reply #144 on: December 07, 2007, 09:54:37 pm »
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« Reply #145 on: December 20, 2007, 12:15:24 pm »
Just FWIW, as we're deep into the gift-giving season, MacTech has done an exhaustive comparison of the performance of Macs running Windows using Boot Camp, Parallels and VMWare Fusion.

the bottom line is this:

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Parallels is 17% faster than VMware Fusion when running Windows XP, and 1% faster than Boot Camp.  For the same tests under Vista, VMware Fusion runs 46% slower than Boot Camp, and Parallels runs 44% slower than VMware Fusion (110% slower than Boot Camp).
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