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« on: December 01, 2007, 10:09:21 pm »
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« Reply #1 on: December 01, 2007, 10:19:03 pm »
Only if people don't watch the BCS bowls.

BCS only cares about the money, not controversy.  If you watch, for any reason, they win.
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« Reply #2 on: December 01, 2007, 10:28:06 pm »
My biggest problem is that Ohio St. does not have to play a conference championship and Mizzou is penalized because they did.
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« Reply #3 on: December 01, 2007, 10:36:51 pm »
My biggest problem is that Ohio St. does not have to play a conference championship and Mizzou is penalized because they did.
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« Reply #4 on: December 01, 2007, 10:42:39 pm »
My biggest problem is that Ohio St. does not have to play a conference championship and Mizzou is penalized because they did.

Neither do the PAC-10 and Big East.

Half of the BCS conferences play one and half do not.

My pet peeve is the uncontrollable one.  Schedule strength.  I don't believe Ohio St, Oklahoma, Kansas, Missouri, West Virginia, and Virginia Tech would have just 1 loss in Ohio St and Kansas case and 2 losses for the others if they were in the PAC-10 or SEC.  But the teams don't control how strong the teams they play are, esp in conference.

In my mind it has to be Ohio St and LSU in the final game.
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« Reply #5 on: December 01, 2007, 10:44:50 pm »
The Rainbows deserve ............... nevermind.

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« Reply #6 on: December 01, 2007, 10:45:23 pm »
once again two words playoff system

Won't happen until the BCS conferences stop making buckets-full of money off the system.  And that won't happen until you (plural) stop watching.
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« Reply #7 on: December 01, 2007, 10:56:52 pm »
The Rainbows deserve ............... nevermind.


If Hawai'i beats Washington tonight, damn straight they deserve a shot.  Every team deserves a shot until they lose.  But since there is no National Championship...
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« Reply #8 on: December 01, 2007, 11:31:54 pm »
The Rainbows deserve ............... nevermind.

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« Reply #9 on: December 02, 2007, 12:11:34 am »
Ohio State Luckeyes will get in again.  And they'll probably get blown out again.  The Big 10 sucks, the media is in love with them for what they were 20 or 30 years ago, and they don't play a championship game so they advance by being idle.  I see the Buckeyes getting beaten by whoever they play.
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« Reply #10 on: December 02, 2007, 12:31:36 am »
Ohio State Luckeyes will get in again.  And they'll probably get blown out again.  The Big 10 sucks, the media is in love with them for what they were 20 or 30 years ago, and they don't play a championship game so they advance by being idle.  I see the Buckeyes getting beaten by whoever they play.


You are correct that the Big 10 blows.  If Ohio St. were in the SEC, they'd have been about 3-8, not 10-1.  Still, they won a BCS conference with only one loss, and under the current BCS setup, have qualified.  This is example number 8,934 why the BCS sucks donkey and a National Championship is needed.
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« Reply #11 on: December 02, 2007, 01:03:45 am »

You are correct that the Big 10 blows.  If Ohio St. were in the SEC, they'd have been about 3-8, not 10-1.  Still, they won a BCS conference with only one loss, and under the current BCS setup, have qualified.  This is example number 8,934 why the BCS sucks donkey and a National Championship is needed.
I mean, they have successfully played the hand they were dealt, gotta give them that.  But they again are a handicapped, slow team going into the championship game.  Luckily they won't play a USC or a Florida, they'd get stomped.
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« Reply #12 on: December 02, 2007, 02:24:34 am »
Wow, Hawai'i comes back with 28 unanswered points to beat Washington.  Only undefeated team in FBC or Div. 1A, or whatever the hell they call it.  Sorry, but I love these guys and hate the BCS.
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« Reply #13 on: December 02, 2007, 05:40:01 am »
Wow, Hawai'i comes back with 28 unanswered points to beat Washington.  Only undefeated team in FBC or Div. 1A, or whatever the hell they call it.  Sorry, but I love these guys and hate the BCS.

I'm an LSU guy, but Hawaii deserves a shot. Unbeaten is unbeaten.
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« Reply #14 on: December 02, 2007, 09:29:06 am »
I'm an LSU guy, but Hawaii deserves a shot. Unbeaten is unbeaten.

I don't think they deserve a fucking thing. Going undefeated against a schedule of the lame, the blind and the halt proves nothing to me.

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« Reply #15 on: December 02, 2007, 09:54:39 am »
The quicker we have a playoff system, the better, and this carwreck only hastens the day.
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« Reply #16 on: December 02, 2007, 10:00:45 am »
The quicker we have a playoff system, the better, and this carwreck only hastens the day.


I would love a playoff system but I have no reason to believe it will happen in the next 20 years. Do you? Perhaps a +1 in the next 5-10 but that's about the best we can hope for until the university presidents decide they need to create a new revenue stream.


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« Reply #17 on: December 02, 2007, 10:40:17 am »
I don't think they deserve a fucking thing. Going undefeated against a schedule of the lame, the blind and the halt proves nothing to me.


I assume you really hate March Madness.
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« Reply #18 on: December 02, 2007, 11:11:56 am »

I assume you really hate March Madness.


I have no idea how that question is relevant to Hawaii.

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« Reply #19 on: December 02, 2007, 11:18:25 am »
Wow, Hawai'i comes back with 28 unanswered points to beat Washington.  Only undefeated team in FBC or Div. 1A, or whatever the hell they call it.  Sorry, but I love these guys and hate the BCS.


I remember sitting around once in high school with a bunch of friends, and in the middle of a long, rambling conversation about not much we decided the best possible thing that could happen was for one to win a football scholarship to Hawaii. As their punter.  It would be easy to keep the uniform neat and clean, probably never get dirt on it.  Have to actually kick in a game about 15 times a season.  Show up for practice in your Grand Am with your boards on the racks up top. Sweet.

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« Reply #20 on: December 02, 2007, 11:27:30 am »

I have no idea how that question is relevant to Hawaii.


By your thinking, the NCAA basketball tournament lets in 62 teams that "don't deserve a fucking thing".  College World Series too.  If letting an undefeated football team have a shot at a national title gets you that upset, you must burn up at the thought of that many multiple loss/non-conference winner/smaller conference winners getting a shot at a title in other sports.
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« Reply #21 on: December 02, 2007, 11:40:50 am »
Won't happen until the BCS conferences stop making buckets-full of money off the system.  And that won't happen until you (plural) stop watching.

they're going to make buckets full of money anyway, and would probably make more with a playoff.  it's the bowls that are holding this up; they are run by people who have no other job than to fly around the country during the season getting pampered by AD's, then pocket their 8 figure checks for the hard work of putting on ONE football game.  they don't want to give up a good thing.

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« Reply #22 on: December 02, 2007, 11:51:02 am »
they're going to make buckets full of money anyway, and would probably make more with a playoff.  it's the bowls that are holding this up; they are run by people who have no other job than to fly around the country during the season getting pampered by AD's, then pocket their 8 figure checks for the hard work of putting on ONE football game.  they don't want to give up a good thing.


I heard Bill Curry the other day on ESPN radio.  He said nearly everyone he talked to favored a playoff of some sort (though he didn't, because he thought it would dilute interest in the regular season), but that it would never happen.  The bowl games, even the minor ones, were far too lucrative.  He said he had no idea how lucrative until he really looked into it.  He didn't give specific numbers, but said they were huge.

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« Reply #23 on: December 02, 2007, 12:15:31 pm »

By your thinking, the NCAA basketball tournament lets in 62 teams that "don't deserve a fucking thing".  College World Series too.  If letting an undefeated football team have a shot at a national title gets you that upset, you must burn up at the thought of that many multiple loss/non-conference winner/smaller conference winners getting a shot at a title in other sports.

I'm not burned up about anything. I am on record saying that I would like a college football playoff system. You see, the College World Series and the NCAA basketball tournament are playoff systems. Football has no such system...if it did I would welcome Hawaii to the tournament. But leapfrocking Hawaii from 12 to a top two spot because two teams ahead of them lost makes no sense. Because, like it or not, there is a criteria for why those other nine teams were ranked ahead of them. And beating a PAC 12 also-ran like UW really doesn't justify a quantum leap. Hawaii may deserve a  BCS bowl game. But not the championship game.

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« Reply #24 on: December 02, 2007, 12:36:31 pm »
I'm not burned up about anything.

Saying they "don't deserve a fucking thing" seems pretty emotional to me.

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I am on record saying that I would like a college football playoff system. You see, the College World Series and the NCAA basketball tournament are playoff systems. Football has no such system...if it did I would welcome Hawaii to the tournament.


You just said they didn't deserve a chance to win a title because they play in a weak conference.  You're crawfishing now.

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But leapfrocking Hawaii from 12 to a top two spot because two teams ahead of them lost makes no sense.

Of course not.  No one suggested anything of the sort.  I said they deserve a chance to play for the national championship, to keep playing until they lose.  You said they didn't deserve fuck.
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« Reply #25 on: December 02, 2007, 01:42:39 pm »
AP says it wants to see Ohio St and LSU in the title game

If the BCS doesn't see it that way we could have another split champion between the AP and BCS, oddly the last time LSU played for the championship.
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« Reply #26 on: December 02, 2007, 01:51:42 pm »
With all this talk of Hawaii, I think it's important that we all remember the historically correct Texan pronunciation of that state's name.

According to my old West Texas grandmother, it's called "HIGH-wah-yuh."

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« Reply #27 on: December 02, 2007, 01:52:51 pm »
AP says it wants to see Ohio St and LSU in the title game

If the BCS doesn't see it that way we could have another split champion between the AP and BCS, oddly the last time LSU played for the championship.

USA Today says so too.  If Harris agrees then it's probably a lock.
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« Reply #28 on: December 02, 2007, 02:00:12 pm »
AP says it wants to see Ohio St and LSU in the title game

If the BCS doesn't see it that way we could have another split champion between the AP and BCS, oddly the last time LSU played for the championship.


There is only one championship...the BCS Championship.  There is no National Championship.
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« Reply #29 on: December 02, 2007, 02:13:41 pm »

There is only one championship...the BCS Championship.  There is no National Championship.

And I thought I was anal.  A BSC champion and a different team voted #1 by the AP.  Happy?
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« Reply #30 on: December 02, 2007, 02:17:13 pm »
Saying they "don't deserve a fucking thing" seems pretty emotional to me.


You just said they didn't deserve a chance to win a title because they play in a weak conference.  You're crawfishing now.

Of course not.  No one suggested anything of the sort.  I said they deserve a chance to play for the national championship, to keep playing until they lose.  You said they didn't deserve fuck.


There is only one way to play for a title, which you believe that Hawaii should do, and that is to play in the game of  January 7th. Yet "no one" has said Hawaii should leapfrog from 12 to play in that game. So, how would it be possible to do so?

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« Reply #31 on: December 02, 2007, 02:19:34 pm »
And I thought I was anal.  A BSC champion and a different team voted #1 by the AP.  Happy?


Not really.  I want a National Championship.  My feathers are appropriately ruffled.
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« Reply #32 on: December 02, 2007, 02:33:24 pm »

There is only one way to play for a title, which you believe that Hawaii should do, and that is to play in the game of  January 7th. Yet "no one" has said Hawaii should leapfrog from 12 to play in that game. So, how would it be possible to do so?

He's saying that they deserve a chance, but the current system won't give them one.  They can't leapfrog Ohio State or LSU (to name a couple), so they'll be on the outside looking in.
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« Reply #33 on: December 02, 2007, 02:51:36 pm »

Not really.  I want a National Championship.  My feathers are appropriately ruffled.

That's why most people refer to it as the MNC.
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« Reply #34 on: December 02, 2007, 02:57:03 pm »
That's why most people refer to it as the MNC.

If by "most people" you mean "places like HornFans and TexAgs"
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« Reply #35 on: December 02, 2007, 02:57:06 pm »

There is only one way to play for a title, which you believe that Hawaii should do, and that is to play in the game of  January 7th. Yet "no one" has said Hawaii should leapfrog from 12 to play in that game. So, how would it be possible to do so?


There should be a National Championship.  I didn't say that Hawai'i should leapfrog anyone, I said they deserve to play for a national championship.  Every team deserves that opportunity, yet it isn't there.
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« Reply #36 on: December 02, 2007, 03:08:30 pm »
That's why most people refer to it as the MNC.


I dont' know what an "MNC" is, but the NCAA should have a National Championship for Div. 1A football.
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« Reply #37 on: December 02, 2007, 03:19:16 pm »
With all this talk of Hawaii, I think it's important that we all remember the historically correct Texan pronunciation of that state's name.

According to my old West Texas grandmother, it's called "HIGH-wah-yuh."

Did she pronounce Italy, "It-ly?"  Italians, "Eye-talians?"
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« Reply #38 on: December 02, 2007, 03:21:26 pm »
I'm completely fine with the current system. And I refuse to use the asinine "MNC" moniker.

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« Reply #39 on: December 02, 2007, 03:21:29 pm »

I dont' know what an "MNC" is, but the NCAA should have a National Championship for Div. 1A football.

MNC = Mythical National Championship.
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« Reply #40 on: December 02, 2007, 03:36:42 pm »
MNC = Mythical National Championship.


Well, I'd never heard that term, bu I guess it is a "myth".  It doesn't exisit.  There is a BCS Championship for schools in six BCS-affiliated conferences, but there is not a National Championship open to all schools in Div. 1A.  Even the BCS Championship is not decided on the field, but in the media.  It's obviously the way the NCAA wants it, but personally, I think it sucks.  I want to see a National Championship.
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« Reply #41 on: December 02, 2007, 04:05:29 pm »
Human polls say OSU #1, LSU #2, looks as though you have your teams.

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« Reply #42 on: December 02, 2007, 05:01:30 pm »
"the ohio state university" showed how big a joke the big 10 was last year didn't they? but I guess since the big 10 was good when all these old ass writers/voters actually watched football we are stuck with the buckeye. and just how many times does the tiger have to blow their #1 ranking before the pollsters decide may they are not worthy of it?

as allways follow the money, until a playoff is proven more profitable to the guys allready makin an ass load of money we are stuck with it!!!
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« Reply #43 on: December 02, 2007, 05:48:10 pm »
If by "most people" you mean "places like HornFans and TexAgs"
I don't even know what those places are.
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« Reply #44 on: December 02, 2007, 06:45:46 pm »
MNC = Mythical National Championship.
if baseball had playoffs baseed on revenue it would be simple.. they would have the yankees playing the yankees..problem would be solved
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« Reply #45 on: December 02, 2007, 06:59:34 pm »
I've said it for awhile now, but i'm sick of the resistance to a playoff in D-1 College Football.   Schedules are not equal, so there is no way to figure out if a 1 loss team with this schedule is better than that 1 loss team or a 2 loss team with a perceived tougher road, etc.   Look at hawaii, they may play in the WAC, but we have a system now that allows a 2 loss LSU team to get in over them as a title participant because basically they play in the SEC.   No different with Boise State a year ago. 

Yeah, i've heard all the complaints such as: 

1) Kids will have to play 14-15 games like the NFL 

2)  It makes the regular season meaningless

3)  It cheapens the pagentry of rivalry games

4)  What about the bowls?

Here is my response to all that.   As to number 1 most of the players want to play football professionally after they graduate so they might as well get used to the number of games. 

 Number 2, the value of the regular season is changed little if a proper system is installed.   Say you take all conference champs(where each conference has or doesn't have a championship game) and 5 at large teams to make a 16 team playoff.  Do you really think that those rivalry games and regular season games won't have major impact on the limited at large spots?  They will, of course which addresses point 3.

Now, what about the bowls?  For one thing, there are entirely too many of them.   Also, for some reason we think we have to have a Fun Fair Positive Atmosphere in college where every team that finishes .500 or better has to get an orange slice and juice box at the end of the year: ie a bowl game.     The players i'm sure would rather have a playoff to decide a title than this crap shoot we have now.   In fact you could have a system that maintained lower rung bowl games and a playoff system though I don't think it would be necessary.

Lastly, think about all the great non conference scheduling a 16 team playoff would provide, as teams would not be worried about 1 loss taking them out of the title hunt.   You would get a lot of games you rarely get now for fear the loser can never make it back into the title picture.   



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« Reply #46 on: December 02, 2007, 07:04:35 pm »
Did she pronounce Italy, "It-ly?"  Italians, "Eye-talians?"

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« Reply #47 on: December 02, 2007, 07:42:53 pm »
I've said it for awhile now, but i'm sick of the resistance to a playoff in D-1 College Football.   Schedules are not equal, so there is no way to figure out if a 1 loss team with this schedule is better than that 1 loss team or a 2 loss team with a perceived tougher road, etc.   Look at hawaii, they may play in the WAC, but we have a system now that allows a 2 loss LSU team to get in over them as a title participant because basically they play in the SEC.   No different with Boise State a year ago. 

Yeah, i've heard all the complaints such as: 

1) Kids will have to play 14-15 games like the NFL 

2)  It makes the regular season meaningless

3)  It cheapens the pagentry of rivalry games

4)  What about the bowls?

Here is my response to all that.   As to number 1 most of the players want to play football professionally after they graduate so they might as well get used to the number of games. 

 Number 2, the value of the regular season is changed little if a proper system is installed.   Say you take all conference champs(where each conference has or doesn't have a championship game) and 5 at large teams to make a 16 team playoff.  Do you really think that those rivalry games and regular season games won't have major impact on the limited at large spots?  They will, of course which addresses point 3.

Now, what about the bowls?  For one thing, there are entirely too many of them.   Also, for some reason we think we have to have a Fun Fair Positive Atmosphere in college where every team that finishes .500 or better has to get an orange slice and juice box at the end of the year: ie a bowl game.     The players i'm sure would rather have a playoff to decide a title than this crap shoot we have now.   In fact you could have a system that maintained lower rung bowl games and a playoff system though I don't think it would be necessary.

Lastly, think about all the great non conference scheduling a 16 team playoff would provide, as teams would not be worried about 1 loss taking them out of the title hunt.   You would get a lot of games you rarely get now for fear the loser can never make it back into the title picture.   





Get over it. The Lsu Tigers will mop up the floor with Ohio State. Speed kills, and Ohio State has none. Hawai'i couldn't Miss St.
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« Reply #48 on: December 02, 2007, 08:10:16 pm »
I've said it for awhile now, but i'm sick of the resistance to a playoff in D-1 College Football.   Schedules are not equal, so there is no way to figure out if a 1 loss team with this schedule is better than that 1 loss team or a 2 loss team with a perceived tougher road, etc.   Look at hawaii, they may play in the WAC, but we have a system now that allows a 2 loss LSU team to get in over them as a title participant because basically they play in the SEC.   No different with Boise State a year ago. 

Yeah, i've heard all the complaints such as: 

1) Kids will have to play 14-15 games like the NFL 

2)  It makes the regular season meaningless

3)  It cheapens the pagentry of rivalry games

4)  What about the bowls?

Here is my response to all that.   As to number 1 most of the players want to play football professionally after they graduate so they might as well get used to the number of games. 

 Number 2, the value of the regular season is changed little if a proper system is installed.   Say you take all conference champs(where each conference has or doesn't have a championship game) and 5 at large teams to make a 16 team playoff.  Do you really think that those rivalry games and regular season games won't have major impact on the limited at large spots?  They will, of course which addresses point 3.

Now, what about the bowls?  For one thing, there are entirely too many of them.   Also, for some reason we think we have to have a Fun Fair Positive Atmosphere in college where every team that finishes .500 or better has to get an orange slice and juice box at the end of the year: ie a bowl game.     The players i'm sure would rather have a playoff to decide a title than this crap shoot we have now.   In fact you could have a system that maintained lower rung bowl games and a playoff system though I don't think it would be necessary.

Lastly, think about all the great non conference scheduling a 16 team playoff would provide, as teams would not be worried about 1 loss taking them out of the title hunt.   You would get a lot of games you rarely get now for fear the loser can never make it back into the title picture.   





You've done a great job of summarizing how most of us feel about this but save it because you can re-post this in ten years Nothing is changing I sadly suspect. Would anything be more exciting in sports than a college FB playoff?

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« Reply #49 on: December 02, 2007, 08:20:32 pm »

Well, I'd never heard that term, bu I guess it is a "myth".  It doesn't exisit.  There is a BCS Championship for schools in six BCS-affiliated conferences, but there is not a National Championship open to all schools in Div. 1A.  Even the BCS Championship is not decided on the field, but in the media.  It's obviously the way the NCAA wants it, but personally, I think it sucks.  I want to see a National Championship.


Most of America accepts the BCS championship game as National Champions. What is your plan for such?

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« Reply #50 on: December 02, 2007, 08:32:51 pm »
Anyone in the college system that complains about the number of games is a proven hypocrite.  It's ok for every level but 1-A to play tha many - why not 1-A?
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« Reply #51 on: December 02, 2007, 08:41:51 pm »
Anyone in the college system that complains about the number of games is a proven hypocrite.  It's ok for every level but 1-A to play tha many - why not 1-A?

Yep. I think a 16 team playoff is very workable.

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« Reply #52 on: December 02, 2007, 09:41:44 pm »
Get over it. The Lsu Tigers will mop up the floor with Ohio State. Speed kills, and Ohio State has none. Hawai'i couldn't Miss St.

Look I get you like LSU.   I even would agree about LSU and speed compared to Ohio St.    But your last statement about Hawaii not being able to beat Mississippi St is stupid.   You have no way of knowing how good that team is, they didn't play the same schedule as an SEC team.   Assuming they would get beat just because it's an SEC team vs a WAC team is foolish with all the parity in college football.

And by no means do I think Hawaii likely goes undefeated in the SEC or a bigger conference, but the fact remains we have created a system where a 2 loss SEC team gets to play for all the marbles while the only undefeated in D-1 football gets shut out of even a shot.  Just like Boise State a yr ago.   That's wrong.   

Plus, how do you distinguish between LSU, USC, Georgia, OU, Hawaii, OSU etc for a spot in the game.   You can't conclusively prove any of them are better than the others, so we have a subjective means of deciding our title game.   In fact i'll go as far to say i'm not sure I can decide who the two best teams are this yr, so if there ever were a year for a playoff this was it, although the Auburn, OU, USC fiasco is up there as well.

Lastly, I won't get over it until college football gets its head out of its collective ass and gets a playoff system installed.    A college football playoff would rival march madness for excitement and revenue.   
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« Reply #53 on: December 02, 2007, 09:48:11 pm »
You've done a great job of summarizing how most of us feel about this but save it because you can re-post this in ten years Nothing is changing I sadly suspect. Would anything be more exciting in sports than a college FB playoff?

If this season doesn't lead to a playoff the higher ups in college football need to be kicked out of office.    I too share the pessimism about a playoff but it will come eventually.   All the lower levels of college football use one and one day they will wise up to how bad things are now.

As to your excitement point, no.   It would rival march madness, which is the best sporting event going right now.
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« Reply #54 on: December 02, 2007, 10:44:10 pm »
Anyone in the college system that complains about the number of games is a proven hypocrite.  It's ok for every level but 1-A to play tha many - why not 1-A?

Some schools are going to play 14 games anyway. One or even two more wouldn't be catastrophic. If it's a problem, cut out an early-season game against non-1A opponents.

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« Reply #55 on: December 03, 2007, 12:04:28 am »
Did she pronounce Italy, "It-ly?"  Italians, "Eye-talians?"

My Dad said, "Eye-talians," "Huh-WHY-yuh," "Woishington," "Wes' V'Ginye" and "lisbons."

Why the plural on the last word? He wasn't referring to the capital city of Portugal, but rather, those of the Ellen DeGeneres persuasion.

Aaaaaaaaaand to tie it back in with the original subject of the thread, damn, it's been a crazy football season. Who's number one this week?

Good on Hawaii for making the BCS, since that's what they wanted. Personally, I'd like to see Houston face them again in the Hawaii bowl... the game always seems to end in a brawl, and it's always started by the damn Rainbows.
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« Reply #56 on: December 03, 2007, 01:29:10 am »
Look I get you like LSU.   I even would agree about LSU and speed compared to Ohio St.    But your last statement about Hawaii not being able to beat Mississippi St is stupid.   You have no way of knowing how good that team is, they didn't play the same schedule as an SEC team.   Assuming they would get beat just because it's an SEC team vs a WAC team is foolish with all the parity in college football.

And by no means do I think Hawaii likely goes undefeated in the SEC or a bigger conference, but the fact remains we have created a system where a 2 loss SEC team gets to play for all the marbles while the only undefeated in D-1 football gets shut out of even a shot.  Just like Boise State a yr ago.   That's wrong.   


Lastly, I won't get over it until college football gets its head out of its collective ass and gets a playoff system installed.    A college football playoff would rival march madness for excitement and revenue.   

Croom put together a creditable team down the stretch. Hawai'l is small and not that fast. While I think that it would be a good game, I thinks that the Maroons would win. I think that Hawai'l couldn't beat over half of the teams (Ole Miss notwithstanding-they suck) of the SEC, even on a neutral field. boise State doesn't compare with Hawai'i, so that argument doesn't hold water.

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« Reply #57 on: December 03, 2007, 07:00:29 am »

Most of America accepts the BCS championship game as National Champions. What is your plan for such?

What is my plan for what?  There is no National Championship.  There is the BCS Championship.  Period.  No matter how you spin it.
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« Reply #58 on: December 03, 2007, 08:04:53 am »
What is my plan for what?  There is no National Championship.  There is the BCS Championship.  Period.  No matter how you spin it.

Of course, HH, you are undubibly correct. Playoff is where it's at.
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« Reply #59 on: December 03, 2007, 08:21:45 am »
I put this together as part of a MBA class (don't ask) several years ago.  Obviously this was before 12 game schedules being the norm, and the teams dropped from 1-A would probably be different now (I wasn't picking on UH, Baylor or Vanderbilt necessarily), but the idea was to realign the conferences into competitive, geographically sensible groups.

Reduction of teams
• 20-year attendance bottom 50
• 20-year record bottom 50
• 20-year enrollment bottom 50
• Cross reference three lists and Remove bottom 21
o Those teams are: UAB, Central Florida, Louisiana-Monroe, Temple, Rice, Akron, Kent State, San Jose State, Eastern Michigan, Middle Tennessee State, Buffalo, Arkansas State, Houston, Tulsa, Louisiana-Layfayette, Baylor, Central Michigan, Western Michigan, Northern Illinois, Utah State, Vanderbilt

• Total 96 teams


Conferences
• 8 Super-Conferences Based on Geography (Keep travel costs down as much as possible.)
• 12 teams per conference
• 6 per division
• Championship Game determines Conference Champ

Conference 1 (West)
Fresno State
USC
UCLA
California
San Diego State
Stanford
Hawaii
Oregon
Oregon State
Washington
Washington State
Idaho


Conference 2 (Southwest)
Arizona
Arizona State
Air Force
UNLV
Nevada
BYU
Utah
Boise State
Wyoming
New Mexico
New Mexico State
UTEP


Conference 3 (South Central)
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Texas
Texas A&M
Texas Tech
TCU
SMU
Arkansas
North Texas
LSU
Louisiana Tech
Tulane


Conference 4 (Midwest)
Colorado State
Colorado
Nebraska
Missouri
Kansas State
Kansas
Iowa State
Iowa
Minnesota
Wisconsin
Illinois
Northwestern


Conference 5 (Southeast)
Mississippi
Mississippi State
Southern Mississippi
Alabama
Auburn
Troy State
Florida
Florida State
Miami (FL)
South Florida
Georgia Tech
Georgia


Conference 6 (Central)
Michigan
Michigan State
Notre Dame
Purdue
Indiana
Ball State
Kentucky
Louisville
Bowling Green
Tennessee
Memphis
Cincinnati


Conference 7 (Northeast)
Boston College
Rutgers
Syracuse
Army
Ohio State
Toledo
Ohio
Miami (OH)
Penn State
Pittsburgh
Connecticut
West Virginia


Conference 8 (Atlantic)
South Carolina
North Carolina State
Clemson
Wake Forest
North Carolina
East Carolina
Duke
Maryland
Navy
Virginia Tech
Virginia
Marshall


Schedule
• 11 games per season
• 3 Out of conference
• 3 In conference, out of division (rotate 2 years, home and home)
• 5 In conference, in division (home and home)


Playoffs
• 8 Conference Championship teams, 8 at-large teams, Seeded according to BCS formula
• 15 games
• 4 weeks
o Week one, Regional Championships (8 games, 16 teams, 1 vs. 8 each side of bracket)
o Week two, Quarterfinal Championships (4 games, 8 teams)
o Week three, Semifinal Championship (2 games, 4 teams)
o Week four, NCAA Championship (1 game, 2 teams)



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« Reply #60 on: December 03, 2007, 10:04:40 am »
There needs to be uniformity in the way the conferences crown a champion.  Imo, the Pac 10 has the best system.  Each year, every school plays all the other members of the conference and there is no championship game.  No one gets to slip through by avoiding other good programs (I'm looking at you Kansas) and there's no silly championship game that hurts the conference by removing one of the two teams from BCS bowl consideration which is what happened to Mizzou this year.  I think the Big 10 has the worst system in place.  On top of it, Big 10 schools wrap up their seasons weeks before the rest of the country. 
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« Reply #61 on: December 03, 2007, 10:07:18 am »
Every No. 1-A conference should be required to have a playoff.
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« Reply #62 on: December 03, 2007, 11:06:51 am »
Nice work, Andy

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« Reply #63 on: December 03, 2007, 11:21:49 am »
Nice work, Andy

Did you cover why it wouldn't/couldn't work?

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