classless MFers

[JimR]

Purpura just was booed at the Bagwell ceremony.

[Craig]

Motherfucking Fox Southwest is showing rodeo instead of the Bagwell ceremony.

[Reuben]

Motherfucking Fox Southwest is showing rodeo instead of the Bagwell ceremony.

I'm bummed, but not at all surprised, that Extra Innings isn't showing the ceremony. But, wow, for FSW to not be showing it, that's asinine. Hopefully astros.com will have a lengthy video later on.

[Reuben]

Purpura just was booed at the Bagwell ceremony.

From the fans who brought you the booing of Jimy Williams at the All-Star Game...

the inmates really want to run the asylum.

[pravata]

Purpura just was booed at the Bagwell ceremony.

They booed Gutierrez in his first inning.  I hope Purpura maintains his contempt for the fans' opinions as long as he's the GM.  Some of the others in the Astros management enable that behavior and are just as guilty.

[Andyzipp]

If it helps any, I booed Pam Gardner...

[Navin R Johnson]

They booed Timmy at Biggio's 3000 hit ceremony too.   Pretty pathetic.   I understand that people dont like Tim, that is their right, but to boo him on Bagwell day is low rent.    Especially when 10 minutes later Bags is talking about how great the fans have become.   

[Fredia]

They booed Timmy at Biggio's 3000 hit ceremony too.   Pretty pathetic.   I understand that people dont like Tim, that is their right, but to boo him on Bagwell day is low rent.    Especially when 10 minutes later Bags is talking about how great the fans have become.   

compared to the dome day is like comparing chopped liver  to sirlion steak.. but yea was kinda low

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

I don't like Purpura too much, myself. I can't say he's done a better than adequate job, but I can't say he's done bad either, because he hasn't fucked anything up. Still, he should make the players play better and make them stay healthy.

And it was classless to boo him on Jeff Bagwell's jersey retirement ceremony. But, I wonder, when do the classless MFers get a chance to express their displeasure at the GM, if not when his name is announced at the stadium?

[Navin R Johnson]

But, I wonder, when do the classless MFers get a chance to express their displeasure at the GM, if not when his name is announced at the stadium?

That is why God made the Chronicle's blogs and Sports Radio.   

[JimR]

We booed Pam too.

[JackAstro]

I'm bummed, but not at all surprised, that Extra Innings isn't showing the ceremony. But, wow, for FSW to not be showing it, that's asinine. Hopefully astros.com will have a lengthy video later on.

http://houston.astros.mlb.com/media/player/mp_tpl.jsp?w_id=595009&w=mms%3A//a1503.v108692.c10869.g.vm.akamaistream.net/7/1503/10869/v0001/mlb.download.akamai.com/10869/2007/open/teams07/hou/video/082607_hou_bagwell_ceremony.wmv&pid=gen_video&gid=2007/08/26/pitmlb-houmlb-1&vid=7758&mid=200708262172461&cid=mlb&fid=gen_video400&v=2&mType=w&urlstr=&mUrl=&type=v_free&_mp=1

[ybbodeus]

Anybody boo Milo?  Since when is singing someone's name in an intro deemed an addition to the pageantry? 

Just say their name....or YELL their name, you old cheese fart!

[dirty steve]

http://houston.astros.mlb.com/media/player/mp_tpl.jsp?w_id=595009&w=mms%3A//a1503.v108692.c10869.g.vm.akamaistream.net/7/1503/10869/v0001/mlb.download.akamai.com/10869/2007/open/teams07/hou/video/082607_hou_bagwell_ceremony.wmv&pid=gen_video&gid=2007/08/26/pitmlb-houmlb-1&vid=7758&mid=200708262172461&cid=mlb&fid=gen_video400&v=2&mType=w&urlstr=&mUrl=&type=v_free&_mp=1

did they let a fan tape that?  you'd think they would get a steadycam out there for such a non important occasion.

thought the booing of purp was pretty bush myself.  to me, you can just stay home and vent (or whatever) in one of the amatuerish opportunites available via cyberspace.

[BudGirl]

We booed Pam too.

It's okay to boo one person, but not another?

[Astroholic]

It's okay to boo one person, but not another?

No.

[Andyzipp]

It's okay to boo one person, but not another?

Yes, absolutely, especially since it was a joke.  Pam Gardner is the debil.

[MusicMan]

Mind-readers, all of you.  This was the first thing I was going to post whn I got in this a.m.

[Astroholic]

Yes, absolutely, especially since it was a joke.  Pam Gardner is the debil.

90% of the people at the game were not in on the "Joke".  You see, most people don't understand why a cheer or boo has started and just follow the rest of the sheep over the hill.  Now some of those that heard the booing of Pam will think that she is somehow at fault and start blaming her.  She will begin to become a topic on the radio/newsprint and the sheep will follow.  Or Maybe not.

[JimR]

90% of the people at the game were not in on the "Joke".  You see, most people don't understand why a cheer or boo has started and just follow the rest of the sheep over the hill.  Now some of those that heard the booing of Pam will think that she is somehow at fault and start blaming her.  She will begin to become a topic on the radio/newsprint and the sheep will follow.  Or Maybe not.

Pam Gardner was not booed. only Purpura.

[Astroholic]

Pam Gardner was not booed. only Purpura.

K, thanks for clearing that up. 


BTW, saw this in a blog in the comical today.

"They should go ahead and fire Pam Gardner too.

She got the credit for coming up with the faux-Yankee-pinstripe home uniform design the Astros went with when they moved into then-Enron Field. (And the myriad alternate uniforms that resemble the Cleveland Indians.)

That alone should have got her run out of town on a rail (tied to that choo-choo over left field).

Things like this probably don't happen if Drayton hired people for the business side who were baseball fans before they were MBA grads."

[Arky Vaughan]

What's even worse is all the kids watching those adults making asses of themselves and learning this classless behavior.

[Limey]

What's even worse is all the kids watching those adults making asses of themselves and learning this classless behavior.

No. No. No!  It's video games and rap music.  They don't learn bad behaviour from their parents.

[Andyzipp]

90% of the people at the game were not in on the "Joke".  You see, most people don't understand why a cheer or boo has started and just follow the rest of the sheep over the hill.  Now some of those that heard the booing of Pam will think that she is somehow at fault and start blaming her.  She will begin to become a topic on the radio/newsprint and the sheep will follow.  Or Maybe not.

Jesus H. Christ, no one booed Pam Gardner...

[gleach]

This was exactly what I said when Allison asked me why they were booing the Count "It's because Houston is full of know-nothing classless assholes."

[Noe]

K, thanks for clearing that up. 


BTW, saw this in a blog in the comical today.

"They should go ahead and fire Pam Gardner too.

She got the credit for coming up with the faux-Yankee-pinstripe home uniform design the Astros went with when they moved into then-Enron Field. (And the myriad alternate uniforms that resemble the Cleveland Indians.)

That alone should have got her run out of town on a rail (tied to that choo-choo over left field).

Things like this probably don't happen if Drayton hired people for the business side who were baseball fans before they were MBA grads."

I don't know who wrote that, but they were incorrect in blaming Garner for those things.  It was Bob McLaren who was VP of Business who ran that side of the game.  Garner used to report to him.  It may of been Garner's group (Marketing?) who came up with the ideas, yes that may be true, but it was McLaren who was running things primarily and selling it to McLane.  McLaren came from McLane's Wall-Mart group and knew less about baseball than McLane (if that's possible).  Garner was his hire and she moved up the ranks as McLaren's heir apparent.

She's tried to bring her influence to the forefront of the Houston Astros overall and that effects the baseball side of things.  Ironically, Gerry Hunsicker used to repell all of McLaren's and then Gardner's influences to the baseball side because he just plain didn't like them.  Purpura has open up the communications between the two sides, often allowing Marketing to speak to Scouting and so forth, but it seems to be somewhat of a pandora's box for Purpura now.

He needs to find a way to shut that box up if he can, it's starting to bother many a baseball side of things.

[Navin R Johnson]

Another note from Milo.   Nice to see, that even on JEFF BAGWELL day, he feels the need to shill for some advertiser.   Prior to giving Jeff his gift from the team, which was a really lame, he threw out a "play hard, fly right, with Continental Airlines."

Actually it is hard to believe he didnt incorporate Truluck or Landrys into the ceremony.

 

[pravata]

I don't know who wrote that, but they were incorrect in blaming Garner for those things.  It was Bob McLaren who was VP of Business who ran that side of the game.  Garner used to report to him.  It may of been Garner's group (Marketing?) who came up with the ideas, yes that may be true, but it was McLaren who was running things primarily and selling it to McLane.  McLaren came from McLane's Wall-Mart group and knew less about baseball than McLane (if that's possible).  Garner was his hire and she moved up the ranks as McLaren's heir apparent.

She's tried to bring her influence to the forefront of the Houston Astros overall and that effects the baseball side of things.  Ironically, Gerry Hunsicker used to repell all of McLaren's and then Gardner's influences to the baseball side because he just plain didn't like them.  Purpura has open up the communications between the two sides, often allowing Marketing to speak to Scouting and so forth, but it seems to be somewhat of a pandora's box for Purpura now.

He needs to find a way to shut that box up if he can, it's starting to bother many a baseball side of things.

Hunsicker wasn't entirely successful.  The marketing side lent their weight to hiring Jimy Williams because of his experience while Hunsicker was looking for less experienced, internal candidates.  The signing of Biggio right after Kent was acquired went against his plans as well.

[Limey]

I don't know who wrote that, but they were incorrect in blaming Garner for those things.  It was Bob McLaren who was VP of Business who ran that side of the game.  Garner used to report to him.  It may of been Garner's group (Marketing?) who came up with the ideas, yes that may be true, but it was McLaren who was running things primarily and selling it to McLane.  McLaren came from McLane's Wall-Mart group and knew less about baseball than McLane (if that's possible).  Garner was his hire and she moved up the ranks as McLaren's heir apparent.

She's tried to bring her influence to the forefront of the Houston Astros overall and that effects the baseball side of things.  Ironically, Gerry Hunsicker used to repell all of McLaren's and then Gardner's influences to the baseball side because he just plain didn't like them.  Purpura has open up the communications between the two sides, often allowing Marketing to speak to Scouting and so forth, but it seems to be somewhat of a pandora's box for Purpura now.

He needs to find a way to shut that box up if he can, it's starting to bother many a baseball side of things.

So, if I'm reading this right, Purpura needs to close Pam Gardner's box?

[MusicMan]

Another note from Milo.   Nice to see, that even on JEFF BAGWELL day, he feels the need to shill for some advertiser.   Prior to giving Jeff his gift from the team, which was a really lame, he threw out a "play hard, fly right, with Continental Airlines."

Actually it is hard to believe he didnt incorporate Truluck or Landrys into the ceremony.

Seriously... giving a friggin' golf trip?  I mean, thank god they gave him those 2 first-class tikets, I'm sure they would have had to fly coach otherwise.

Conversely - I liked the touch of his daughters throwing out the first pitch so we didn't have to be reminded too harshly of his injury.

[MusicMan]

So, if I'm reading this right, Purpura needs to close Pam Gardner's box?

Ew, ew, ew, EW!

[Astroholic]

Jesus H. Christ, no one booed Pam Gardner...

I get that.  Just more a comment on booing in general I guess.

[Noe]

Another note from Milo.   Nice to see, that even on JEFF BAGWELL day, he feels the need to shill for some advertiser.   Prior to giving Jeff his gift from the team, which was a really lame, he threw out a "play hard, fly right, with Continental Airlines."

Actually it is hard to believe he didnt incorporate Truluck or Landrys into the ceremony.

Milo is supposedly throwing out the first pitch on Wednesday as an honor by the organization on his 80th birthday celebration.  Wow, he's 80 years old?!?!  Any way, he's actually pretty good for an 80 year old, but truth be told, I don't think I can handle any more of Milo's ways much any more.  If he just stuck to baseball announcing and did it gracefully and with class, I'd be fine with his more than occasionally screw ups and forgetting of telling us the score and what's going on in the game.  But his forays into his own head of things that get his attention during a game are becoming a huge nuisance to listen to.

Drayton McLane won't fire him though so I'm stuck with him (for home games) for a good long while it seems.  Maybe until his 90th birthday.

[Mr. Happy]

Milo is supposedly throwing out the first pitch on Wednesday as an honor by the organization on his 80th birthday celebration.  Wow, he's 80 years old?!?!  Any way, he's actually pretty good for an 80 year old, but truth be told, I don't think I can handle any more of Milo's ways much any more.  If he just stuck to baseball announcing and did it gracefully and with class, I'd be fine with his more than occasionally screw ups and forgetting of telling us the score and what's going on in the game.  But his forays into his own head of things that get his attention during a game are becoming a huge nuisance to listen to.

Drayton McLane won't fire him though so I'm stuck with him (for home games) for a good long while it seems.  Maybe until his 90th birthday.

Agreed. Milo is still pretty good when he stays with the game. I now prefer listening to the games on the road because of the Milo-isms.

[MRaup]

Milo is supposedly throwing out the first pitch on Wednesday as an honor by the organization on his 80th birthday celebration.  Wow, he's 80 years old?!?!  Any way, he's actually pretty good for an 80 year old, but truth be told, I don't think I can handle any more of Milo's ways much any more.  If he just stuck to baseball announcing and did it gracefully and with class, I'd be fine with his more than occasionally screw ups and forgetting of telling us the score and what's going on in the game.  But his forays into his own head of things that get his attention during a game are becoming a huge nuisance to listen to.

Drayton McLane won't fire him though so I'm stuck with him (for home games) for a good long while it seems.  Maybe until his 90th birthday.

I read in an Astros fact-sheet from MMP that Milo isn't retiring until 2010.

[Noe]

Hunsicker wasn't entirely successful.  The marketing side lent their weight to hiring Jimy Williams because of his experience while Hunsicker was looking for less experienced, internal candidates.  The signing of Biggio right after Kent was acquired went against his plans as well.

Yeah, that one really pissed off Hunsicker.  McLane was convinced by McLaren to allow a committee to choose Larry Dierker's replacement.  Two from the business side, two from the baseball side and McLane the deciding vote.  So McLaren, Gardner, Tal Smith and Gerry Hunsicker were the chosen committee to sit with McLane on the choice.

Hunsicker wanted to give either Jim Fregosi a chance to manage again or hire Clint Hurdle or Tony Pena.  It is said that Hunsicker pretty much decided he wanted Clint Hurdle.  Tal Smith wanted Fregosi but was willing to listen to others for their input.  The business side was more in sync, they chose Williams and sold him to McLane and they had their three votes locked in quite soon.  Hunsicker went along when Smith conceeded the Williams hire as well.  Hunsicker, to his credit, did get along with Jimy to an extent but was fuming at how the business side had managed to get their man in over his objections.

[Limey]

Conversely - I liked the touch of his daughters throwing out the first pitch so we didn't have to be reminded too harshly of his injury.

I did notice that he waved only with his left arm, never his right.

[Taras Bulba]

I did notice that he waved only with his left arm, never his right.

Bagwell's a Marxist?  They must have got hold of his fluids and all.  That's how your hard core commie works.

[Arky Vaughan]

Another note from Milo.   Nice to see, that even on JEFF BAGWELL day, he feels the need to shill for some advertiser.   Prior to giving Jeff his gift from the team, which was a really lame, he threw out a "play hard, fly right, with Continental Airlines."

Actually it is hard to believe he didnt incorporate Truluck or Landrys into the ceremony.

Yeah, this was all Milo's doing. It wasn't the organization that decided to cut the deal with Contintental to insinuate one of its biggest sponsors into the ceremony.

Give Milo crap for what Milo does on his own, not for doing what his paymasters compel him to do.

[Arky Vaughan]

Bagwell's a Marxist?  They must have got hold of his fluids and all.  That's how your hard core commie works.

How is that he's still playing golf?

[Limey]

Bagwell's a Marxist?  They must have got hold of his fluids and all.  That's how your hard core commie works.

It was from the teachings of Karl Marx that Bagwell learned to wave left-handed.  If Karl Marx had only written about how to throw a baseball left-handed...

[Lurch]

How is that he's still playing golf?

Left handed, of course

[Limey]

How is that he's still playing golf?

Don't know how Baggy does it or even if this makes any difference for him, but you can shorten your follow through so your right shoulder never goes above parallel.

[ybbodeus]

Wonder if he's teeing it up in the fairway....low tee, of course.

[ybbodeus]

Give Milo crap for what Milo does on his own, not for doing what his paymasters compel him to do.

Like adding four syllables to Larry Dierker's name? 

[Limey]

Wonder if he's teeing it up in the fairway....low tee, of course.

Dunno, but I'd let him.

Also, "teeing it up in the fairway" sounds like it should be a euphemism for something.

[Taras Bulba]

Dunno, but I'd let him.

Also, "teeing it up in the fairway" sounds like it should be a euphemism for something.

The new Viagra slogan.

[MRaup]

The new Viagra slogan.

If this means the new Viva Viagra slogan/Horrific commercial is on the way out, I'm 10000 percent for it.

[ybbodeus]

MR, I believe you're getting fairway and runway mixed up....teeing it up in the ROUGH might work, too.

[Andyzipp]

Seriously... giving a friggin' golf trip?  I mean, thank god they gave him those 2 first-class tikets, I'm sure they would have had to fly coach otherwise.

Conversely - I liked the touch of his daughters throwing out the first pitch so we didn't have to be reminded too harshly of his injury.

The trip, accomidations and rounds of golf are estimated to be $35-40k in value, so it's a decent gift.

[JimR]

The trip, accomidations and rounds of golf are estimated to be $35-40k in value, so it's a decent gift.

those courses are any serious golfer's dream to play.

[S.P. Rodriguez]

those courses are any serious golfer's dream to play.

Translated to hacks like myself, they would be my ultimate nightmare...

[MusicMan]

The trip, accomidations and rounds of golf are estimated to be $35-40k in value, so it's a decent gift.

I'm not questioning the value - I'm just of the opinion that, when you're giving a gift to a guy who's made $100M+, then you give him something he can't get on the open market.

[JimR]

I'm not questioning the value - I'm just of the opinion that, when you're giving a gift to a guy who's made $100M+, then you give him something he can't get on the open market.

and what would that be? i thought it was a great gift.

[Andyzipp]

I'm not questioning the value - I'm just of the opinion that, when you're giving a gift to a guy who's made $100M+, then you give him something he can't get on the open market.

That's a pretty short list.  The guy could buy a golf course should he choose.

Considering I've seen motorcycles, boats, etc given out, this is at least something that Bagwell "wants".

[Ty in Tampa]

Translated to hacks like myself, they would be my ultimate nightmare...

Shit, I'm a hacker and I'd love to play those courses.

[Limey]

I'm not questioning the value - I'm just of the opinion that, when you're giving a gift to a guy who's made $100M+, then you give him something he can't get on the open market.

Jennifer Connelly?

[MusicMan]

Jennifer Connelly?

Only if he were still married to that skank Shaune.  Seems like he has a nice family now.

No, I'm thinking a commissioned artwork or something.  They had the time to do it.

[Limey]

Only if he were still married to that skank Shaune.  Seems like he has a nice family now.

No, I'm thinking a commissioned artwork or something.  They had the time to do it.

Solid gold bobble head.

[MusicMan]

Solid gold bobble head.

As a gift?  Or were you referring to Shaune?

[juliogotay]

Like adding four syllables to Larry Dierker's name? 

that was awful.

[ybbodeus]

I don't think he realizes how much dignity it takes out of the moment, to friggin' sing these guys names out like he does....trying to get the focus on HIM more than on THEM.

INCREDIBLY grating.  Hope to GOD no one else retires until well after he does....could we be hearing that he is in about 25 minutes?

[strosrays]

If this means the new Viva Viagra slogan/Horrific commercial is on the way out, I'm 10000 percent for it.

It is hard to imagine just how low advertisers will go, but I believe the "little blue pill" mongers have taken a sharp right turn down that path, and are revving the engine.  They've earned their Special Place in Hell reservations, right there next to TimeWarner Roadrunner and anything to do with metrosexual neanderthal insurance salesmen.

Sorry guys, but if you have to sing a lame rip-off of Elvis paean to a little pill that makes your limp dick stay hard for a few minutes, the game is up already.  Train has left the station.  Take your flaccid weiner and go home (or over to Noe's house, whichever.)

[ybbodeus]

They could turn that "romantic stroll down the street, time is right but /moment is interrupted" commercial down a really dark path, if it weren't for STANDARDS.

[Limey]

As a gift?  Or were you referring to Shaune?

*rimshot*

Everyone's on top of their game.  And it's only Monday.

[MusicMan]

Everyone's on top of their game.  And it's only Monday.

We'd better be, if the reports are true.  DEFCON 2 for a rapid Clark infestation approaching.

[Limey]

We'd better be, if the reports are true.  DEFCON 2 for a rapid Clark infestation approaching.

It's a bug hunt.

[JimR]

We'd better be, if the reports are true.  DEFCON 2 for a rapid Clark infestation approaching.

it has started. please join me in telling one and all of them to fuck off.

[Matt]

I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

[ybbodeus]

Excellent call!

[Andyzipp]

Is there any way we can close the board to currently registered posters for a few days?

[Astroholic]

Is there any way we can close the board to currently registered posters for a few days?

Not sure that would help, maybe a little.

[ybbodeus]

Rockets do it every year when the playoffs start.

[BUWebguy]

Rockets do it every year when the playoffs start.

Yep - ticked me off, and I haven't back to the board since. They wouldn't even let you read it, much less post.

[CrawfordBoxes]

It's perfectly acceptable to boo Pupura.  He sits and does nothing all day to improve the team. The farm system is dry and it doesn't help when he can't figure out a way to get our top draft picks signed. What the hell is the point of drafting people you don't plan on getting signed. If it is one person your not able to come to terms with then it is *somewhat* understandle but when it is multiple players unsigned something needs to be done. Also, when the hell else are you suppose to express your displeasure. Pupura sucks- plain and simple, he screwed us in multiple ways and quite frankly the bottom line= wins. Do you think fans and NY would be okay with the piece of shit effort Tim Pupura put up on a day to day basis? Do you think that would fly in Boston or Chicago? No- and they sure as hell would let it be known. You can't win with gutless people like Tim Pupura at the helm- and the booing of him in front of a sell out crowd honoring Jeff Bagwell might have just pushed Drayton to give him a swift kick in the ass. He probably already had his mind made up that he was going to cut him and scraps loose but I think the fans assisted his decision over the course of the past couple months.

[Astroholic]

It's perfectly acceptable to boo Pupura.  He sits and does nothing all day to improve the team. The farm system is dry and it doesn't help when he can't figure out a way to get our top draft picks signed. What the hell is the point of drafting people you don't plan on getting signed. If it is one person your not able to come to terms with then it is *somewhat* understandle but when it is multiple players unsigned something needs to be done. Also, when the hell else are you suppose to express your displeasure. Pupura sucks- plain and simple, he screwed us in multiple ways and quite frankly the bottom line= wins. Do you think fans and NY would be okay with the piece of shit effort Tim Pupura put up on a day to day basis? Do you think that would fly in Boston or Chicago? No- and they sure as hell would let it be known. You can't win with gutless people like Tim Pupura at the helm- and the booing of him in front of a sell out crowd honoring Jeff Bagwell might have just pushed Drayton to give him a swift kick in the ass. He probably already had his mind made up that he was going to cut him and scraps loose but I think the fans assisted his decision over the course of the past couple months.

Did you miss the part where they now have more money for the academies to spend.  How do you know that Purp was sitting around doing nothing.  Hogwash.

[S.P. Rodriguez]

It's perfectly acceptable to boo Pupura.  He sits and does nothing all day to improve the team. The farm system is dry and it doesn't help when he can't figure out a way to get our top draft picks signed. What the hell is the point of drafting people you don't plan on getting signed. If it is one person your not able to come to terms with then it is *somewhat* understandle but when it is multiple players unsigned something needs to be done. Also, when the hell else are you suppose to express your displeasure. Pupura sucks- plain and simple, he screwed us in multiple ways and quite frankly the bottom line= wins. Do you think fans and NY would be okay with the piece of shit effort Tim Pupura put up on a day to day basis? Do you think that would fly in Boston or Chicago? No- and they sure as hell would let it be known. You can't win with gutless people like Tim Pupura at the helm- and the booing of him in front of a sell out crowd honoring Jeff Bagwell might have just pushed Drayton to give him a swift kick in the ass. He probably already had his mind made up that he was going to cut him and scraps loose but I think the fans assisted his decision over the course of the past couple months.

(Channellin my inner Jim) STFU 

[MRaup]

It's perfectly acceptable to boo Pupura.  He sits and does nothing all day to improve the team. The farm system is dry and it doesn't help when he can't figure out a way to get our top draft picks signed. What the hell is the point of drafting people you don't plan on getting signed. If it is one person your not able to come to terms with then it is *somewhat* understandle but when it is multiple players unsigned something needs to be done. Also, when the hell else are you suppose to express your displeasure. Pupura sucks- plain and simple, he screwed us in multiple ways and quite frankly the bottom line= wins. Do you think fans and NY would be okay with the piece of shit effort Tim Pupura put up on a day to day basis? Do you think that would fly in Boston or Chicago? No- and they sure as hell would let it be known. You can't win with gutless people like Tim Pupura at the helm- and the booing of him in front of a sell out crowd honoring Jeff Bagwell might have just pushed Drayton to give him a swift kick in the ass. He probably already had his mind made up that he was going to cut him and scraps loose but I think the fans assisted his decision over the course of the past couple months.

You're a fucking retard. End of list.

You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. The guy has had 3 years to completely revamp a severely depeleted farm system. Its going to take at least another year or two to see if the guys he drafted in his 3 go rounds will amount to anything in the bigs.

In conclusion, go fuck yourself.

[JimR]

It's perfectly acceptable to boo Pupura.  He sits and does nothing all day to improve the team. The farm system is dry and it doesn't help when he can't figure out a way to get our top draft picks signed. What the hell is the point of drafting people you don't plan on getting signed. If it is one person your not able to come to terms with then it is *somewhat* understandle but when it is multiple players unsigned something needs to be done. Also, when the hell else are you suppose to express your displeasure. Pupura sucks- plain and simple, he screwed us in multiple ways and quite frankly the bottom line= wins. Do you think fans and NY would be okay with the piece of shit effort Tim Pupura put up on a day to day basis? Do you think that would fly in Boston or Chicago? No- and they sure as hell would let it be known. You can't win with gutless people like Tim Pupura at the helm- and the booing of him in front of a sell out crowd honoring Jeff Bagwell might have just pushed Drayton to give him a swift kick in the ass. He probably already had his mind made up that he was going to cut him and scraps loose but I think the fans assisted his decision over the course of the past couple months.

fuck off. you add nothing here. leave.

[CrawfordBoxes]

You're a fucking retard. End of list.

You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. The guy has had 3 years to completely revamp a severely depeleted farm system. Its going to take at least another year or two to see if the guys he drafted in his 3 go rounds will amount to anything in the bigs.

In conclusion, go fuck yourself.

Purpura has been dealing with the farm system for a lot longer then 3 years.. He has been in on decisions for awhile now. Not just since 2004.

[JimR]

Purpura has been dealing with the farm system for a lot longer then 3 years.. He has been in on decisions for awhile now. Not just since 2004.

you know this how?

fuck off. leave.

[Astroholic]

Purpura has been dealing with the farm system for a lot longer then 3 years.. He has been in on decisions for awhile now. Not just since 2004.

Im done with you.

[Matt]

I thought there was a lot of talent at the lower end of the minors that was starting to rise in the next few years.  Wouldn't those players be the Count's?

[CrawfordBoxes]

This is common knowledge.. Pupura has primarily dealt with minor league development etc.. before becoming GM.

[CrawfordBoxes]

See if somebody disagrees. All you do is tell them to fuck off. A normal educated response would suffice. I normally just lurk around and read because every time somebody makes a post that goes against the heralded Jim R they are a "fucking retard".

[JimR]

This is common knowledge.. Pupura has primarily dealt with minor league development etc.. before becoming GM.

common knowledge on the internet? did you sit in the meetings to see who made the decisions? if you think he did, you are out of your fucking mind.

go back to HornFans or Orangebloods or wherever your drivel is appreciated. get the fuck out of here.

[pravata]

Did you miss the part where they now have more money for the academies to spend.  How do you know that Purp was sitting around doing nothing.  Hogwash.

Bringing up the signing problem this season is the height of not knowing what's going on.  Mclane and Purpura were trying to follow the League's guidance.  Both because of Mclane's relationship to Selig and his position on the competition committee, and their stands regarding the problems the signability issue poses for smaller market teams. 

[tophfar]

Do you think that would fly in Boston or Chicago?

Since when did being a drunken, shirtless, unemployed, overweight fuckwit become something to aspire too?  

[JimR]

See if somebody disagrees. All you do is tell them to fuck off. A normal educated response would suffice. I normally just lurk around and read because every time somebody makes a post that goes against the heralded Jim R they are a "fucking retard".

not everyone, but you qualify.

btw, i do not say "retard."

now fuck off.

[CrawfordBoxes]

Where do we get our information Jim? Get your nose out of the Austin American Statesman and realize common knowledge- Pupura has been around minor league operations for damn near 10 years.

[tophfar]

Where do we get our information Jim? Get your nose out of the Austin American Statesman and realize common knowledge- Pupura has been around minor league operations for damn near 10 years.

since when does "being around minor league operations" (no shit, he was assistant GM, and director of the farm system) mean that he was drafting personnel?

So we're now blaming Purpura for Gerry's decisions.  Fucking Awesome.

[JimR]

Where do we get our information Jim? Get your nose out of the Austin American Statesman and realize common knowledge- Pupura has been around minor league operations for damn near 10 years.

prick, i get my information from a little closer to the meetings than the newspaper. who is the "we" that includes you?

[pravata]

since when does "being around minor league operations" (no shit, he was assistant GM, and director of the farm system) mean that he was drafting personnel?

So we're now blaming Purpura for Gerry's decisions.  Fucking Awesome.

Blame and credit.  Hunsicker knew very little about the minor leaguers he received back in trade.  One exception is the  trades he made with the Mets.  I think he was familar with Dotel, Cedeno, and maybe even Wheeler.  But, for instance the Wagner/Phillies trade, Purpura had the information on those pitchers.  Also the Indians trade for Scott and Taveras. 

[Mr. Happy]

Purpura just was booed at the Bagwell ceremony.

Booing anyone is bush league. Really disappointing.

[Arky Vaughan]

He sits and does nothing all day to improve the team.

How do you know this? Do you have a camera in his office? How do you have any inkling of what his efforts are or whether he did "nothing?"

The farm system is dry and it doesn't help when he can't figure out a way to get our top draft picks signed. What the hell is the point of drafting people you don't plan on getting signed. If it is one person your not able to come to terms with then it is *somewhat* understandle but when it is multiple players unsigned something needs to be done.

Do you understand the reason that these players weren't signed is because they wanted signing bonuses commensurate with higher rounds than they were actually drafted in? They were the Astros' first and second picks despite not being in the first and second rounds because the Astros, thanks to free-agent signings, did not have picks in those rounds. Would you encourage Purpura to pay lower-round draft picks first-and-second-round bonuses just to satisfy your itch for him to "do something" to make them sign? And would you forego the Carlos Lee signing to avoid losing draft picks to rebuild the farm system? The free-agent signings have a price in more than just dollars.

Also, when the hell else are you suppose to express your displeasure.

How about acting like an adult watching a harmless form of entertainment rather than a temper-tantrum-throwing toddler who doesn't get his way? Don't watch or go to games. Find something else constructive to do. Anything but making everyone else listen to your whining and setting a bad example for kids in the ballpark by making a horse's ass of yourself on the day that the club is honoring one of the best and classiest players in baseball history.

Pupura sucks- plain and simple, he screwed us in multiple ways and quite frankly the bottom line= wins.

Us? What did he do to us?

Do you think fans and NY would be okay with the piece of shit effort Tim Pupura put up on a day to day basis? Do you think that would fly in Boston or Chicago? No- and they sure as hell would let it be known.

I wouldn't use the animalistic tendencies of the blood-in-the-water fans in those cities as an example. If you like how their fans and press treat their teams, feel free to buy a bus ticket and move there.

You can't win with gutless people like Tim Pupura at the helm- and the booing of him in front of a sell out crowd honoring Jeff Bagwell might have just pushed Drayton to give him a swift kick in the ass. He probably already had his mind made up that he was going to cut him and scraps loose but I think the fans assisted his decision over the course of the past couple months.

Gutless? So he's gutless because you don't like the way he did his job?

[JimR]

How do you know this? Do you have a camera in his office? How do you have any inkling of what his efforts are or whether he did "nothing?"

Do you understand the reason that these players weren't signed is because they wanted signing bonuses commensurate with higher rounds than they were actually drafted in? They were the Astros' first and second picks despite not being in the first and second rounds because the Astros, thanks to free-agent signings, did not have picks in those rounds. Would you encourage Purpura to pay lower-round draft picks first-and-second-round bonuses just to satisfy your itch for him to "do something" to make them sign? And would you trade away the Carlos Lee signing just to get draft picks to rebuild the farm system?

How about acting like an adult watching a form of entertainment rather than a temper-tantrum-throwing toddler who doesn't get his way. Don't watch or go to games. Find something else constructive to do. Anything but making everyone else listen to your whining and setting a bad example for kids in the ballpark by making a horse's ass of yourself on the day that the club is honoring one of the best and classiest players in baseball history.

Us? What did he do to us?

I wouldn't use the animalistic tendencies of the blood-in-the-water fans in those cities as an example. If you like how their fans and press treat their teams, feel free to buy a bus ticket and move there.

Gutless? So he's a gutless because you don't like the way he did his job?

outstanding reply. i did not have the patience to deal with that stupid MF. he epitomizes all that is bad about so-called "fans" today.

[Arky Vaughan]

outstanding reply. i did not have the patience to deal with that stupid MF. he epitomizes all that is bad about so-called "fans" today.

He makes a drive-by post once every few weeks that lurches between "Rah! Rah! Astros! and "Purpura sucks!" Frivolous, shallow, fickle and unforgiving. The watchwords of modern fandom.

[Mr. Happy]

outstanding reply. i did not have the patience to deal with that stupid MF. he epitomizes all that is bad about so-called "fans" today.

I could not agree with you more. These types of fans actually take this stuff personally. Why I don't know.

[JimR]

He makes a drive-by post once every few weeks that lurches between "Rah! Rah! Astros! and "Purpura sucks!" Frivolous, shallow, fickle and unforgiving. The watchwords of modern fandom.

i guarantee you he is a regular on orangebloods.com, which has the stupidest posters ever collected in one site.

[Kent's Moustache]

It's perfectly acceptable to boo Pupura.  He sits and does nothing all day to improve the team. The farm system is dry and it doesn't help when he can't figure out a way to get our top draft picks signed. What the hell is the point of drafting people you don't plan on getting signed. If it is one person your not able to come to terms with then it is *somewhat* understandle but when it is multiple players unsigned something needs to be done. Also, when the hell else are you suppose to express your displeasure. Pupura sucks- plain and simple, he screwed us in multiple ways and quite frankly the bottom line= wins. Do you think fans and NY would be okay with the piece of shit effort Tim Pupura put up on a day to day basis? Do you think that would fly in Boston or Chicago? No- and they sure as hell would let it be known. You can't win with gutless people like Tim Pupura at the helm- and the booing of him in front of a sell out crowd honoring Jeff Bagwell might have just pushed Drayton to give him a swift kick in the ass. He probably already had his mind made up that he was going to cut him and scraps loose but I think the fans assisted his decision over the course of the past couple months.

He certainly posted this tantrum on the appropriate Thread...

[CrawfordBoxes]

i guarantee you he is a regular on orangebloods.com, which has the stupidest posters ever collected in one site.

What the fuck does orangebloods have to do with anything? I just checked it out and it's a longhorns site. Don't get upset because people boo. That is what chaps my ass about some fans. Classy is great and dandy but booing is apart of sports. Go follow your favorite golfer if you want it quiet. It's quite ironic Jim, how you bitch on and on about being a classy individual yet you sit here behind your keyboard and call people motherfuckers like its going out of style. You epitomize ZERO class. I'm at 80-90% of the games so I'd gladly meet up with you at a game and hear you talk about how booing Tim Pupura for a brief moment during Bagwell's ceremony makes Houston Astros fans- "classless idiots who probably belong to orangebloods"

[Astroholic]

What the fuck does orangebloods have to do with anything? I just checked it out and it's a longhorns site. Don't get upset because people boo. That is what chaps my ass about some fans. Classy is great and dandy but booing is apart of sports. Go follow your favorite golfer if you want it quiet. It's quite ironic Jim, how you bitch on and on about being a classy individual yet you sit here behind your keyboard and call people motherfuckers like its going out of style. You epitomize ZERO class. I'm at 80-90% of the games so I'd gladly meet up with you at a game and hear you talk about how booing Tim Pupura for a brief moment during Bagwell's ceremony makes Houston Astros fans- "classless idiots who probably belong to orangebloods"

Guess you would have to meet me too.

[JimR]

What the fuck does orangebloods have to do with anything? I just checked it out and it's a longhorns site. Don't get upset because people boo. That is what chaps my ass about some fans. Classy is great and dandy but booing is apart of sports. Go follow your favorite golfer if you want it quiet. It's quite ironic Jim, how you bitch on and on about being a classy individual yet you sit here behind your keyboard and call people motherfuckers like its going out of style. You epitomize ZERO class. I'm at 80-90% of the games so I'd gladly meet up with you at a game and hear you talk about how booing Tim Pupura for a brief moment during Bagwell's ceremony makes Houston Astros fans- "classless idiots who probably belong to orangebloods"

booing any player or team official at a sports event makes the booer classless. i thought you post at orangebloods because your posts are world class stupid.

now fuck off.

[Andyzipp]

I'm at 80-90% of the games so I'd gladly meet up with you at a game and hear you talk about how booing Tim Pupura for a brief moment during Bagwell's ceremony makes Houston Astros fans- "classless idiots who probably belong to orangebloods"

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There is an appointed time for everything, and a time for every affair under the heavens.
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A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to uproot the plant.
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A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to tear down, and a time to build.
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A time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance.
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A time to scatter stones, and a time to gather them; a time to embrace, and a time to be far from embraces.
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A time to seek, and a time to lose; a time to keep, and a time to cast away.
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A time to rend, and a time to sew; a time to be silent, and a time to speak.
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A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace.
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What advantage has the worker from his toil?
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For every man, moreover, to eat and drink and enjoy the fruit of all his labor is a gift of God.
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I recognized that whatever God does will endure forever; there is no adding to it, or taking from it. Thus has God done that he may be revered.
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1 What now is has already been; what is to be, already is; and God restores what would otherwise be displaced.
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And still under the sun in the judgment place I saw wickedness, and in the seat of justice, iniquity.
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And I said to myself, both the just and the wicked God will judge, since there is a time for every affair and on every work a judgment.
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I said to myself: As for the children of men, it is God's way of testing them and of showing that they are in themselves like beasts.
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For the lot of man and of beast is one lot; the one dies as well as the other. Both have the same life-breath, and man has no advantage over the beast; but all is vanity.
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Both go to the same place; both were made from the dust, and to the dust they both return.
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Who knows if the life-breath of the children of men goes upward and the life-breath of beasts goes earthward?
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And I saw that there is nothing better for a man than to rejoice in his work; for this is his lot. Who will let him see what is to come after him?

[Navin R Johnson]

Don't get upset because people boo.

So now you get determine how we all can react to our fans acting like complete douchebags?

So how should we act when you post? 

[CrawfordBoxes]

Whatever-  I guess we just view this subject different. I'm not the one to say whose right but regardless I'm just going to drop it. No use beating a dead horse.

[pravata]

What the fuck does orangebloods have to do with anything? I just checked it out and it's a longhorns site. Don't get upset because people boo. That is what chaps my ass about some fans. Classy is great and dandy but booing is apart of sports. Go follow your favorite golfer if you want it quiet. It's quite ironic Jim, how you bitch on and on about being a classy individual yet you sit here behind your keyboard and call people motherfuckers like its going out of style. You epitomize ZERO class. I'm at 80-90% of the games so I'd gladly meet up with you at a game and hear you talk about how booing Tim Pupura for a brief moment during Bagwell's ceremony makes Houston Astros fans- "classless idiots who probably belong to orangebloods"

Booing, in this context, is the attempt by the fans to interject themselves into the game.  Fans have no perspective, nor do they face any consequences for their behavior.  It is gutless and rude to anonymously boo a man who is just trying to do his job.  Especially when the booing is inappropriately interjected into a ceremony meant to highlight Jeff Bagwell.  It was the same at the All Star game.  Houston fans are children with no self control.  (Or, what Zipp wrote.)

[JimR]

aha. our current dumbass Crawford Boxes is all of 18 years old.

[Mr. Happy]

booing any player or team official at a sports event makes the booer classless.

This is absolutely true, and it gives a horrible example to impressionable children at the games. Usually those who boo are unshaven sorts who live in their parents' basements. I have had to explain booing to my children. You don't boo a player. You don't boo an umpire. You don't boo the other fans. You just don't boo. Period.

[Astroholic]

This is absolutely true, and it gives a horrible example to impressionable children at the games. Usually those who boo are unshaven sorts who live in their parents' basements. I have had to explain booing to my children. You don't boo a player. You don't boo an umpire. You don't boo the other fans. You just don't boo. Period.

Good for you.

[CrawfordBoxes]

Booing, in this context, is the attempt by the fans to interject themselves into the game.  Fans have no perspective, nor do they face any consequences for their behavior.  It is gutless and rude to anonymously boo a man who is just trying to do his job.  Especially when the booing is inappropriately interjected into a ceremony meant to highlight Jeff Bagwell.  It was the same at the All Star game.  Houston fans are children with no self control.  (Or, what Zipp wrote.)

But you can't place being a professional athlete in the same context as just another job. It is not just another job. Their job is to entertain the fans and ultimately make money for MLB. Just like actors back in old englands time. They would be booed to no return for performing a poor job. Maybe that isn't the best analogy but regardless they are performing a job where the fans perespective is important. If the fans didn't approve or stopped supporting they wouldn't even have a job or a job making hundreds of thousands of dollars. They aren't a cahsier messing up checking food at the register getting booed by people in line. They are performing a unique job.

[Astroholic]

But you can't place being a professional athlete in the same context as just another job. It is not just another job. Their job is to entertain the fans and ultimately make money for MLB. Just like actors back in old englands time. They would be booed to no return for performing a poor job. Maybe that isn't the best analogy but regardless they are performing a job where the fans perespective is important. If the fans didn't approve or stopped supporting they wouldn't even have a job or a job making hundreds of thousands of dollars. They aren't a cahsier messing up checking food at the register getting booed by people in line. They are performing a unique job.

You don't have kids do you?

[JimR]

But you can't place being a professional athlete in the same context as just another job. It is not just another job. Their job is to entertain the fans and ultimately make money for MLB. Just like actors back in old englands time. They would be booed to no return for performing a poor job. Maybe that isn't the best analogy but regardless they are performing a job where the fans perespective is important. If the fans didn't approve or stopped supporting they wouldn't even have a job or a job making hundreds of thousands of dollars. They aren't a cahsier messing up checking food at the register getting booed by people in line. They are performing a unique job.

then do not go on the field and NEVER treat them like they are anything other than people who must please you or you will boo.

just stand at the rail and boo your juvenile ass off.

[CrawfordBoxes]

This is absolutely true, and it gives a horrible example to impressionable children at the games. Usually those who boo are unshaven sorts who live in their parents' basements. I have had to explain booing to my children. You don't boo a player. You don't boo an umpire. You don't boo the other fans. You just don't boo. Period.

Wait until your sheltered kids get to college.

[JimR]

Wait until your sheltered kids get to college.

STFU, little boy. leave.

[dirty steve]

my experience with people who probably came to a crescendo during the last Texans season.  there was a trio of "fans"  who sat about 10 rows behind a buddy and myself.  she clearly came to the game just to boo Carr and not to contribute anything meaningful.  the only time i didnt hear her booing or spewing out some drunken vitriol is when she was emptying a plastic bottle of Miller Lite down here throat.  during the Cleveland game (last game of the year) she thankfully took off and left the section.  i had a few also and told her to "take her fat ass home."  luckily the ushers didnt hear.

i guess my point is that you could always stay home and boo.

[Mr. Happy]

then do not go on the field and NEVER treat them like they are anything other than people who must please you or you will boo.

just stand at the rail and boo your juvenile ass off.

No No No! Please go up to each player whose play has not been up to snuff with you and boo. If you're going to boo, then at least have the guts to boo them to their faces. Have you ever pondered the possibility that you may be sitting next to a player's family member? Booing hurts.

[CrawfordBoxes]

You don't have kids do you?

No, I don't have kids but I'm the oldest of 4 boys so my brothers follow what I do all the time. I'll boo alot more often at games then my dad. Matter of fact, I'm very vocal at games. But when I was younger my Dad never told me I couldn't boo. He would ask me what the hell I was doing if i was booing Biggio for striking out or something along those lines, not that I did. But he wouldn't scold me for booing Purp.

[Astroholic]

I'm the oldest of 4 boys so my brothers follow what I do all the time.

Bet they are fine adjusted young gentlemen.

[Navin R Johnson]

So you going to boo Biggio, to his face, why you are on the field?  If not, why?

[Navin R Johnson]

No, I don't have kids but I'm the oldest of 4 boys so my brothers follow what I do all the time. I'll boo alot more often at games then my dad. Matter of fact, I'm very vocal at games. But when I was younger my Dad never told me I couldn't boo. He would ask me what the hell I was doing if i was booing Biggio for striking out or something along those lines, not that I did. But he wouldn't scold me for booing Purp.

To your dads performance on raising you.   Booooooooooooooooooooooooo  Boooooooooooooooooo.

[JimR]

No, I don't have kids but I'm the oldest of 4 boys so my brothers follow what I do all the time. I'll boo alot more often at games then my dad. Matter of fact, I'm very vocal at games. But when I was younger my Dad never told me I couldn't boo. He would ask me what the hell I was doing if i was booing Biggio for striking out or something along those lines, not that I did. But he wouldn't scold me for booing Purp.

shame on him.

[Andyzipp]

Bet they are fine adjusted young gentlemen.

This one time, ol Crawford got a "C" on a Trig quiz.  His brothers booed him lustily, and Mr. Boxes didn't scold them.

[CrawfordBoxes]

So you going to boo Biggio, to his face, why you are on the field?  If not, why?

What?

[JimR]

What?

who are you going to boo when you go on the field, little boy?

[pravata]

What?

You said you were going to be on the field for bp.  Great opportunity, who are you going to boo?

[Arky Vaughan]

But you can't place being a professional athlete in the same context as just another job. It is not just another job. Their job is to entertain the fans and ultimately make money for MLB. Just like actors back in old englands time. They would be booed to no return for performing a poor job.

They also used to turn out for public executions, such as drawings and quarterings and hangings. See the comparison?

[Mr. Happy]

No, I don't have kids but I'm the oldest of 4 boys so my brothers follow what I do all the time. I'll boo alot more often at games then my dad. Matter of fact, I'm very vocal at games. But when I was younger my Dad never told me I couldn't boo. He would ask me what the hell I was doing if i was booing Biggio for striking out or something along those lines, not that I did. But he wouldn't scold me for booing Purp.

My dad's 76 years old and gives away 4 inches and 80 lbs, but he's STILL kick my ass if he heard that I ever booed.

[CrawfordBoxes]

I'm little boy?, what does that make your 60 year old ass? Quit fucking living in the 1950s. Times have changed. Your personality and view points are incredibly shallow.

[Navin R Johnson]

So are you going to Boo Biggio or Berkman to their face, or cower in the corner?

[JimR]

I'm little boy?, what does that make your 60 year old ass? Quit fucking living in the 1950s. Times have changed. Your personality and view points are incredibly shallow.

you are an immature little child. yes, you are.

[Andyzipp]

I'm little boy?, what does that make your 60 year old ass? Quit fucking living in the 1950s. Times have changed. Your personality and view points are incredibly shallow.

Times have changed because people care less.

[JimR]

Times have changed because people care less.

and their parents abdicate their greatest responsibility by not teaching their children how to behave.

[Astroholic]

and their parents abdicate their greatest responsibility by not teaching their children how to behave.

And it is harder to teach those values these days because the kids are surrounded by idiots 24-7. 

[Andyzipp]

and their parents abdicate their greatest responsibility by not teaching their children how to behave.

You're just old.  Just the other day, Jake asked me if he could start smoking.  And as a new-age parent, I told him it was not my place to stifle his curiosity, so I gave him $50 bucks and told him to go and explore the world.

I wouldn't buy the cigarettes for him though.  That's where I draw the line.

[Limey]

And it is harder to teach those values these days because the kids are surrounded by idiots 24-7. 

Which came first: the idiot or the chicken?

[Andyzipp]

Which came first: the idiot or the chicken?

In Germany, the idiot came because of the chicken.

[pravata]

Which came first: the idiot or the chicken?

Have you never considered the very real possibility that idiots can also be chicken?

[Astroholic]

Which came first: the idiot or the chicken?

Can't answer that, because then I might be your official spokesman too.

[Limey]

Can't answer that, because then I might be your official spokesman too.

You can't do any worse than I do for myself.

[Astroholic]

You can't do any worse than I do for myself.

wanna bet?

[Limey]

wanna bet?

Dunno.  What say you?

[JimR]

Can't answer that, because then I might be your official spokesman too.

i need one, apparently. what do you charge?

[Astroholic]

i need one, apparently. what do you charge?

Depends on how many "posters" I have to put on ignore.

[Astroholic]

Depends on how many "posters" I have to put on ignore.

BTW, I told you we did not have to worry about the clarks bombarding the site today.  Many village idiots to already choose from.

[S.P. Rodriguez]

and their parents abdicate their greatest responsibility by not teaching their children how to behave.

Easy now, you are making it sound like it's easy to to raise kids.  I know you don't mean it that way but some idiot is going to... oh never mind, idiots will make of it what they wish.

[pravata]

Depends on how many "posters" I have to put on ignore.

Easiest thing in the world.

[Limey]

Easiest thing in the world.

I don't ignore anybody.  I think it goes back to the old board, and a visceral hatred of red links.

[Noe]

I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

I'm in.  Where is that red button!?!?  Damn!

[Mr. Happy]

Easy now, you are making it sound like it's easy to to raise kids.  I know you don't mean it that way but some idiot is going to... oh never mind, idiots will make of it what they wish.

Truer words haven't been typed on this board today.

[JimR]

Easy now, you are making it sound like it's easy to to raise kids.  I know you don't mean it that way but some idiot is going to... oh never mind, idiots will make of it what they wish.

hell, no, it is not easy, but you have to try. letting the little dears do what they want is not trying.

[S.P. Rodriguez]

hell, no, it is not easy, but you have to try. letting the little dears do what they want is not trying.

Agreed.  I think we've had this discussion before.