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« on: August 22, 2007, 10:18:09 am »
JdJO gets it right on Jennings

Not surprisingly, the bleating masses in the responses disagree with him entirely.
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« Reply #1 on: August 22, 2007, 10:26:39 am »
JdJO gets it right on Jennings

Not surprisingly, the bleating masses in the responses disagree with him entirely.

This is wrong,

"If the Astros had done more research, they probably would have known that Jennings had elbow problems last season." 

If the Astros can prove the Rockies knew he was injured, they can rescind the trade.  If anyone, that includes JO, has any information that would prove the Rockies knew, bring it forward. (ETA) Not in a bulletin board or on the radio, send it to the Astros.  That would be extremely valuable information for them to have.
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« Reply #2 on: August 22, 2007, 10:27:55 am »
"Elbow problems" <> "injured", as you know.

I agree that saying that they did not do enough research to know he had problems is wrong.  But he overall gets it right in saying we shouldn't blame Jennings for being injured.
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« Reply #3 on: August 22, 2007, 10:33:50 am »
"Elbow problems" <> "injured", as you know.

I agree that saying that they did not do enough research to know he had problems is wrong.  But he overall gets it right in saying we shouldn't blame Jennings for being injured.

Oh yeah, for sure.  Pitchers pitch with pain, ("your highness...").  Jennings threw 212 innings last season.  He's never been on the dl except for a broke finger and an infection.  How's he supposed to know what injured feels like?

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« Reply #4 on: August 22, 2007, 10:49:43 am »
Jennings "I had an MRI done today,  (Tuesday) I had an MRI in April," he said. "The one today was pretty much the same. It showed a little more deterioration of the flexor tendon. The MRI showed the ligament looked really good, which is great news, because that's a major surgery."
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So what would an MRI done in December 2006 have looked like?  If the Rockies knew Jennings was injured (the MRI evidence shows he wasnt) in 2006, why did they offer him a 3 year extension?  Elaborate ruse to increase his trade value?

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« Reply #5 on: August 22, 2007, 10:51:56 am »
And if Jennings knew he was injured, why would he have declined such an extension?
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« Reply #6 on: August 22, 2007, 10:59:36 am »
And if Jennings knew he was injured, why would he have declined such an extension?

He was in on the scam... sorry I can't rearrange my brain to come up with even a facetious answer to that one.   

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« Reply #7 on: August 22, 2007, 11:44:09 am »
And if Jennings knew he was injured, why would he have declined such an extension?

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« Reply #8 on: August 22, 2007, 11:53:39 am »
Jennings "I had an MRI done today,  (Tuesday) I had an MRI in April," he said. "The one today was pretty much the same. It showed a little more deterioration of the flexor tendon. The MRI showed the ligament looked really good, which is great news, because that's a major surgery."
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So what would an MRI done in December 2006 have looked like?  If the Rockies knew Jennings was injured (the MRI evidence shows he wasnt) in 2006, why did they offer him a 3 year extension?  Elaborate ruse to increase his trade value?

This pertains to all pitchers, not just Jennings:

You can actually hurt yourself at any time whilest throwing a baseball. 

Fact!

It doesn't require a previous boo-boo, pain, rest between starts the previous year, anything like that.  You can simply pick up a baseball, throw it and guess what... you may hurt yourself, right then, right there.  So eggszactly when can I pinpoint, as a pitcher, the day I "injured" myself?

I can't. 

The presence of pain in the shoulder or elbow does not necessarily tell me that is the day I hurt myself.  Heck, I can have pain every time I threw a baseball since middle school (and trust me, it seems that way for any one who has ever toed the rubber).  When I got hurt is entirely different from when I first felt pain.  So if the presence of pain and the swapping of x-rays were end all, be all for MLB organizations to pronounce the readiness of a pitcher to be a member of their team, then it would be so easy to dismiss at least half of the major league pitchers in professional baseball today.  And won't the MLBPA have a field day with that sort of practice on an organization's part too!  Woo-hoo!  Not since the days of collusion-gate would the MLBPA have some serious legal issues to hold over the MLB.  And a huge pay day too.  If an MLB team were to easily just say "I know he's injured in spite of *what he says* and I'm going to DL him or DFA him" and cry foul and demand money back from him, his agent and also for trades to be rescinded, the MLBPA would step in and put a stop to that right away.  The choice is either the MLB organizations and the MLBPA work as a partnership or as an adversary on player treatment.

So when is a pitcher "injured" and when would an organization be good enough to be aware of "damaged goods"?  You tell me, because what eggszactly is the science beyond what is currently in place to make sure you know?  It is hence why the MLB offices and the commissioner has always told clubs "it's buyer beware" in all cases (especially those who think they have legitimate complaints of being sold damaged goods - See: Shirotka, Mike, whose Dad is a one time acquaintance of mine on several teams I played on and I can assure you that Mike never believed he was damaged goods).  There is no good science to this beyond your own due diligence and then when you make the deal, know you did all you could do but injury is part of the risk with pitchers at all and any time. It's also why any contract with a pitcher for more than three years is considered a gamble by any standards (see: Martinez, Pedro).
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« Reply #9 on: August 22, 2007, 12:13:20 pm »
Oliver Stone, call your office.

Tell Costner to blimp up his ass a tad, and he can play the role of JJ, the caring, nurturing misunderstood baseball player in search of his flexor tendon surgeon...and somebody's ELSE's wife besides Travolta's or Robbins'.

Suppose they could find a way to bring Bacon, TLJ and Goodfella in, too? 
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« Reply #10 on: August 22, 2007, 12:15:34 pm »
Tell Costner to blimp up his ass a tad, and he can play the role of JJ, the caring, nurturing misunderstood baseball player in search of his flexor tendon surgeon...and somebody's ELSE's wife besides Travolta's or Robbins'.

I propose casting Seth Rogen and Mrs Pitt.
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« Reply #11 on: August 22, 2007, 12:29:07 pm »
Not that I have a problem with Mrs. Pitt, but there's never a problem with casting Mrs. Travolta in anything.  IMHO.
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« Reply #12 on: August 22, 2007, 12:54:24 pm »
Not that I have a problem with Mrs. Pitt, but there's never a problem with casting Mrs. Travolta in anything.  IMHO.

And Jonah Hill can straighten his hair and play Lance Berkman.
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« Reply #13 on: August 22, 2007, 12:55:57 pm »
This pertains to all pitchers, not just Jennings:

You can actually hurt yourself at any time whilest throwing a baseball. 

Fact!


Noe, why did Tim Purpura intentionally trade for an injured pitcher?  Why Noe?  Why does he hate us?

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« Reply #14 on: August 22, 2007, 01:02:50 pm »
Noe, why did Tim Purpura intentionally trade for an injured pitcher?  Why Noe?  Why does he hate us?

They're all injured.  He can't help himself.

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« Reply #15 on: August 22, 2007, 01:21:20 pm »
They're all injured.  He can't help himself.

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« Reply #16 on: August 22, 2007, 01:23:26 pm »
Don't post as Noe. Noe would have used more words.

words, hell. Noe would have used more pages.
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« Reply #17 on: August 22, 2007, 01:37:03 pm »
This pertains to all pitchers, not just Jennings:

You can actually hurt yourself at any time whilest throwing a baseball. 

Fact!

It doesn't require a previous boo-boo, pain, rest between starts the previous year, anything like that.  You can simply pick up a baseball, throw it and guess what... you may hurt yourself, right then, right there.  So eggszactly when can I pinpoint, as a pitcher, the day I "injured" myself?

I can't. 

The presence of pain in the shoulder or elbow does not necessarily tell me that is the day I hurt myself.  Heck, I can have pain every time I threw a baseball since middle school (and trust me, it seems that way for any one who has ever toed the rubber).  When I got hurt is entirely different from when I first felt pain.  So if the presence of pain and the swapping of x-rays were end all, be all for MLB organizations to pronounce the readiness of a pitcher to be a member of their team, then it would be so easy to dismiss at least half of the major league pitchers in professional baseball today.  And won't the MLBPA have a field day with that sort of practice on an organization's part too!  Woo-hoo!  Not since the days of collusion-gate would the MLBPA have some serious legal issues to hold over the MLB.  And a huge pay day too.  If an MLB team were to easily just say "I know he's injured in spite of *what he says* and I'm going to DL him or DFA him" and cry foul and demand money back from him, his agent and also for trades to be rescinded, the MLBPA would step in and put a stop to that right away.  The choice is either the MLB organizations and the MLBPA work as a partnership or as an adversary on player treatment.

So when is a pitcher "injured" and when would an organization be good enough to be aware of "damaged goods"?  You tell me, because what eggszactly is the science beyond what is currently in place to make sure you know?  It is hence why the MLB offices and the commissioner has always told clubs "it's buyer beware" in all cases (especially those who think they have legitimate complaints of being sold damaged goods - See: Shirotka, Mike, whose Dad is a one time acquaintance of mine on several teams I played on and I can assure you that Mike never believed he was damaged goods).  There is no good science to this beyond your own due diligence and then when you make the deal, know you did all you could do but injury is part of the risk with pitchers at all and any time. It's also why any contract with a pitcher for more than three years is considered a gamble by any standards (see: Martinez, Pedro).

I think that it is kind of analagous to the Robert Horry Trade that didn't happen with Detroit and Sean Elliot. The Rockets Dr.'s killed the deal b/c he had a bad kidney.  Elliot played another 3 or 4 years before having his kidney removed, and then came back after that to play a year or two. You just never know what is or is not going to keep an athlete from playing and competing at a high level. As I heard someone say today (maybe granato) If you got all 11 pitchers for the astros here under truth serum 8 or 9 of them would say they are dealing with pain of some sort in their arm. How the hell is a player or team to know for sure?  Answer is I think Noe is right you cannot- so it's caveat emptorm baby.


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« Reply #18 on: August 22, 2007, 02:06:38 pm »
Elliot played another 3 or 4 years before having his kidney removed, and then came back after that to play a year or two.

Not to pick nits but, he had a kidney transplant.
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« Reply #19 on: August 22, 2007, 02:10:18 pm »
Not to pick nits but, he had a kidney transplant.

sorry- removed and replaced with some other dude's kidney.


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« Reply #20 on: August 22, 2007, 02:20:17 pm »
sorry- removed and replaced with some other dude's kidney.

His brother's. But you knew that.
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« Reply #21 on: August 22, 2007, 03:04:24 pm »
His brother's. But you knew that.


I knew it was family, but I couldn't remember if it was  brother or sister or cousin or what not.  I wonder if that kidney from his bro cost him anything. I don't know if I'd be ready to give my bro a kidney. I mean I like him, but....

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« Reply #22 on: August 22, 2007, 03:14:57 pm »

I knew it was family, but I couldn't remember if it was  brother or sister or cousin or what not.  I wonder if that kidney from his bro cost him anything. I don't know if I'd be ready to give my bro a kidney. I mean I like him, but....

Please, please, please tell me this is sarcasm.
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« Reply #23 on: August 22, 2007, 04:06:40 pm »
"Elbow problems" <> "injured", as you know.

I agree that saying that they did not do enough research to know he had problems is wrong.  But he overall gets it right in saying we shouldn't blame Jennings for being injured.

I don't think anybody has blamed Jennings.  He seems like a solid competitor to me.
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« Reply #24 on: August 22, 2007, 04:13:54 pm »
Please, please, please tell me this is sarcasm.

Kids- absolutely they can have a kidney.

Parents- no way in hell- you don't harvest organ's from a younger generation. Brother I don't know. I'd have to see what the health risks were (I don't really know what the hell they are for going from 2 kidney's to one).

If it's shortening my life 15 years I don't know that I do that. I don't know that I'd ask him to do it for me. If it ain't a big deal then fine- do you use both kidneys?  I seriously do not know.


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« Reply #25 on: August 22, 2007, 04:16:07 pm »
I don't think anybody has blamed Jennings.  He seems like a solid competitor to me.

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« Reply #26 on: August 22, 2007, 04:18:36 pm »
Kids- absolutely they can have a kidney.

Parents- no way in hell- you don't harvest organ's from a younger generation. Brother I don't know. I'd have to see what the health risks were (I don't really know what the hell they are for going from 2 kidney's to one).

If it's shortening my life 15 years I don't know that I do that. I don't know that I'd ask him to do it for me. If it ain't a big deal then fine- do you use both kidneys?  I seriously do not know.



Speaking as a complete non-doctor... you can live quite well with one kidney.  For this reason, transplants between family members are quite common.
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« Reply #27 on: August 22, 2007, 09:00:43 pm »
Did Purp have the Astros' doctors look at a recent MRI of Jennings' elbow before the trade?
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« Reply #28 on: August 22, 2007, 09:08:36 pm »
Did Purp have the Astros' doctors look at a recent MRI of Jennings' elbow before the trade?

Elbow?  I thought we were talking about kidneys?  As for me, it depends on which brother.  I got three, and two of them can rot.  The third one, I'd give up a kidney to help him out.
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« Reply #29 on: August 22, 2007, 09:20:29 pm »
Did Purp have the Astros' doctors look at a recent MRI of Jennings' elbow before the trade?

I've seen no mention of that.  But, is it standard procedure to get an MRI on a pitcher involved in a trade?  And would the MRI look worse than the one they took in April?

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« Reply #30 on: August 22, 2007, 09:28:16 pm »
I've seen no mention of that.  But, is it standard procedure to get an MRI on a pitcher involved in a trade?  And would the MRI look worse than the one they took in April?
reading this whole thread has left me more confused than usual. maybe the mri was of the kidney?
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« Reply #31 on: August 22, 2007, 10:18:52 pm »
reading this whole thread has left me more confused than usual.

So, would that be something like this kind of confused?



Or more like this kind of confused?



I'm just trying to get a mental picture here.

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« Reply #32 on: August 22, 2007, 10:46:40 pm »
Speaking as a complete non-doctor... you can live quite well with one kidney.  For this reason, transplants between family members are quite common.

Yeah, anybody in my family can have one of my kidneys.  Good luck with that.

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« Reply #33 on: August 22, 2007, 11:13:32 pm »
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« Reply #34 on: August 22, 2007, 11:33:35 pm »
Yeah, anybody in my family can have one of my kidneys.  Good luck with that.


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« Reply #35 on: August 22, 2007, 11:38:29 pm »
reading this whole thread has left me more confused than usual. maybe the mri was of the kidney?

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« Reply #36 on: August 23, 2007, 12:41:17 am »
words, hell. Noe would have used more pages.

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« Reply #37 on: August 23, 2007, 07:57:41 am »
Kids- absolutely they can have a kidney.

Parents- no way in hell- you don't harvest organ's from a younger generation. Brother I don't know. I'd have to see what the health risks were (I don't really know what the hell they are for going from 2 kidney's to one).

If it's shortening my life 15 years I don't know that I do that. I don't know that I'd ask him to do it for me. If it ain't a big deal then fine- do you use both kidneys?  I seriously do not know.



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« Reply #38 on: August 23, 2007, 08:51:05 am »
All this talk of elbow & kidneys has reminded me of an old joke:

Bear Bryant was trying to get some recruits into Alabama.  He told them they had to pass the entrance exam which was to come back the next day and correctly identify their hand, elbow & shoulder. 

The first recruit came back and inverted them.  Said hand while touching his shoulder, got the elbow right and said shoulder while touching his hand. 

The second recruit managed to mangle it and get none right.

The third recruit came in and with pride nailed all three.  Bear was impressed and said "how did you know that?"

The recruit pointed to his head and said "Kidneys, coach, Kidneys."
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« Reply #39 on: August 23, 2007, 09:31:01 am »
I've seen no mention of that.  But, is it standard procedure to get an MRI on a pitcher involved in a trade?  And would the MRI look worse than the one they took in April?

Why would the Rockies have an MRI on Jennings?  Because he stop throwing between innings?  Why would they offer him a lucrative contract extension if they had an MRI on him that showed he was damaged goods?

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« Reply #40 on: August 23, 2007, 09:41:51 am »
Kids- absolutely they can have a kidney.

Parents- no way in hell- you don't harvest organ's from a younger generation. Brother I don't know. I'd have to see what the health risks were (I don't really know what the hell they are for going from 2 kidney's to one).

If it's shortening my life 15 years I don't know that I do that. I don't know that I'd ask him to do it for me. If it ain't a big deal then fine- do you use both kidneys?  I seriously do not know.



It's easy--why the hell should I give my brother a kidney?  I don't have a brother.
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« Reply #41 on: August 23, 2007, 09:50:56 am »
It's easy--why the hell should I give my brother a kidney?  I don't have a brother.

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« Reply #42 on: August 23, 2007, 10:02:15 am »
If I bought you Frenchy's would you give me a kidney?



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« Reply #43 on: August 23, 2007, 12:08:48 pm »
you should have stopped after one post on this. you are not doing your image any favors by continuing.

would you ask mark for one of his kidneys at this stage in your life if it might have harmful effects to him later on?  That seems incredibly selfish to me.

It's not something I'd ask of one of my kids. I'm just saying I can't sit here and say it's an automatic for me.

Hell- I was listening to Dr. Laura about a month ago when someone called with this very dilemna, she said it was selfish as hell for the parent (around 65) to ask for that from their child- way too dangerous and not the proper role of things. If that makes me an asshole whatever. I promise I'm not the only one to think this way, and gun to a head I doubt I'm even in the minority.


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« Reply #44 on: August 23, 2007, 12:11:09 pm »

I knew it was family, but I couldn't remember if it was  brother or sister or cousin or what not.  I wonder if that kidney from his bro cost him anything. I don't know if I'd be ready to give my bro a kidney. I mean I like him, but....

nice change of the statement from brother to a parent who selfishly wants to live. you really should just stop.
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« Reply #45 on: August 23, 2007, 12:14:53 pm »
Hell- I was listening to Dr. Laura about a month ago...

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« Reply #46 on: August 23, 2007, 12:17:46 pm »
Hell- I was listening to Dr. Laura about a month ago when someone called with this very dilemna, she said it was selfish as hell for the parent (around 65) to ask for that from their child- way too dangerous and not the proper role of things. If that makes me an asshole whatever. I promise I'm not the only one to think this way, and gun to a head I doubt I'm even in the minority.



So, what if the parent would die without it, and maybe the kid would be more happy to have the parent around for another healthy decade or so? What if medical advances in the next 20 years might make the loss of a kidney not that big of a deal later on? Logic says to not risk the life a younger person to extend the life of their parent, maybe, but there might be more than just logic involved.
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« Reply #47 on: August 23, 2007, 12:22:27 pm »
Wait, isn't Dr. Laura a doctor in the sense that Ms Cleo really was psychic?
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« Reply #48 on: August 23, 2007, 12:30:39 pm »
Wait, isn't Dr. Laura a doctor in the sense that Ms Cleo really was psychic?

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« Reply #49 on: August 23, 2007, 12:34:51 pm »
nice change of the statement from brother to a parent who selfishly wants to live. you really should just stop.

I didn't change anything.

I said my kid- absolutely, my parent no way in hell and my brother I'd have think about.  No change in the statement.

Furthermore, I think it would be selfish of a parent- I'd never put that decision on my kid.  What if your brother is a fuck up? what if you've got 9 kids yourself you are taking care of (is it right to put their well being at risk?)  Is that a moral or logical position? What obligation do you have to your own nuclear family. All I said was I don't think it's cut and dried.  Whatever- I'm done with this. You really have no need to be such a prick in your responses- I think so much of your other stuff is so much better than that.

Whatevs.

Again- I asked you a couple weeks ago- please feel free to put me on ignore if you think I bring nothing to the table- I'm perfectly ok with that. Same statement Noe makes all the time

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« Reply #50 on: August 23, 2007, 12:40:16 pm »
I didn't change anything.

I said my kid- absolutely, my parent no way in hell and my brother I'd have think about.  No change in the statement.

Furthermore, I think it would be selfish of a parent- I'd never put that decision on my kid.  What if your brother is a fuck up? what if you've got 9 kids yourself you are taking care of (is it right to put their well being at risk?)  Is that a moral or logical position? What obligation do you have to your own nuclear family. All I said was I don't think it's cut and dried.  Whatever- I'm done with this. You really have no need to be such a prick in your responses- I think so much of your other stuff is so much better than that.

Whatevs.

Again- I asked you a couple weeks ago- please feel free to put me on ignore if you think I bring nothing to the table- I'm perfectly ok with that. Same statement Noe makes all the time


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« Reply #51 on: August 23, 2007, 12:41:47 pm »

Again- I asked you a couple weeks ago- please feel free to put me on ignore if you think I bring nothing to the table- I'm perfectly ok with that. Same statement Noe makes all the time


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« Reply #52 on: August 23, 2007, 12:59:19 pm »
Do me a favor, leave me out of this.  Thanks.

Just talking about your repeated insistence to put you on ignore for some posters nothing else- sorry if that's dragging you in- I will not do so in the future.


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« Reply #53 on: August 23, 2007, 01:26:04 pm »
Just talking about your repeated insistence to put you on ignore for some posters nothing else- sorry if that's dragging you in- I will not do so in the future.

Thanks, leave me out because if you want to do something, I have nothing to do with it and I'm not you.

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« Reply #54 on: August 23, 2007, 01:28:01 pm »
nope. i want to be able to comment on your idiocy. it is not just me, either.

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« Reply #55 on: August 23, 2007, 01:37:21 pm »
Not MD. Psychiatrist.

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« Reply #56 on: August 23, 2007, 01:40:46 pm »
Not MD. Psychiatrist.



She has a Ph.D. physiology.  She is not a certified anything as far as I can tell.

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She has a Ph.D. physiology.  She is not a certified anything as far as I can tell.

She's a certified nutjob.
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« Reply #58 on: August 23, 2007, 01:48:09 pm »
She has a Ph.D. physiology.  She is not a certified anything as far as I can tell.

Thanks.  I was going to speculate that she had a Ph.D in Scientology (L Ron Hubbard Univ. perhaps, I don't know).  Either way, I dated a girl after college who was big Dr. Laura fan.  She'd quote some of the advice she doled out with her "I know more than most people" attitude.  Let me tell you, I have zero questions about why that relationship did not last.  Not one.  And yes, her appreciation of Dr. Laura's "philosophy" was one of the reasons, indirectly anyway.  Mental, 100% detached from reality. 
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« Reply #59 on: August 23, 2007, 02:07:16 pm »
Thanks, leave me out because if you want to do something, I have nothing to do with it and I'm not you.

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I was going to speculate that she had a Ph.D in Scientology (L Ron Hubbard Univ. perhaps, I don't know). 

To really confuse you, I think she is Jewish?
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« Reply #61 on: August 23, 2007, 02:57:28 pm »
To really confuse you, I think she is Jewish?

I didn't realize Judaism and Scientology were mutually exclusive or otherwise incompatible.  I was under the impression that you could be scientologist as well as catholic, for example.  What do I know.  I'm just a poor dumb catholic any how.  I made the mistake of watching "Battlefield Earth" but that's the only thing L. Ron Hubbard spawned that I'm personally familiar with.  I'd like my money back but I doubt they're considering refunds at this point. 
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« Reply #62 on: August 23, 2007, 03:04:31 pm »
I didn't realize Judaism and Scientology were mutually exclusive or otherwise incompatible.  I was under the impression that you could be scientologist as well as catholic, for example.  What do I know.  I'm just a poor dumb catholic any how.  I made the mistake of watching "Battlefield Earth" but that's the only thing L. Ron Hubbard spawned that I'm personally familiar with.  I'd like my money back but I doubt they're considering refunds at this point. 

We Catholics believe in a great many weird things...virgin births, transsubstantiation, men wearing robes...but we do not believe that the OverLord Xenu killed a bunch of aliens and implanted their souls into cavemen and that all the evil that men do are the results of these dead aliens.


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« Reply #63 on: August 23, 2007, 03:09:02 pm »
would you ask mark for one of his kidneys at this stage in your life if it might have harmful effects to him later on?  That seems incredibly selfish to me.

It's not something I'd ask of one of my kids. I'm just saying I can't sit here and say it's an automatic for me.

Hell- I was listening to Dr. Laura about a month ago when someone called with this very dilemna, she said it was selfish as hell for the parent (around 65) to ask for that from their child- way too dangerous and not the proper role of things. If that makes me an asshole whatever. I promise I'm not the only one to think this way, and gun to a head I doubt I'm even in the minority.



First and foremost to the discussion. I'm adopted, so that system doesn't really work very well.

Secondly, if my old man could use one of my kidneys because both of his were failing, I would do it without thinking twice about it if he asked.

Sacrificing some of the time off my life seems like a pretty fair trade off to keeping the family member I'm closest to around for another 10 years... Besides, that might finally bag me the Corvette in the will.

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« Reply #64 on: August 23, 2007, 03:10:43 pm »
We Catholics believe in a great many weird things...virgin births, transsubstantiation, men wearing robes...but we do not believe that the OverLord Xenu killed a bunch of aliens and implanted their souls into cavemen and that all the evil that men do are the results of these dead aliens.



I so didn't get that from the movie!  I thought it was some weird metaphor for life in corporate america.... wow... just wow. 

you best watch it, btw!  Sparking debates of transsubstantiation vs consubstantiation will likely not be tolerated by Spack.

I can't be sure but I think "wiener" is a hot-button for the one-eyed master of thread locking.   
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« Reply #65 on: August 23, 2007, 03:12:25 pm »
We Catholics believe in a great many weird things...virgin births, transsubstantiation, men wearing robes...but we do not believe that the OverLord Xenu killed a bunch of aliens and implanted their souls into cavemen and that all the evil that men do are the results of these dead aliens.

That's pretty narrow-minded of you. Perhaps you could benefit from auditing some of those engrams that are holding you back from being an Operating Thetan.
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« Reply #67 on: August 23, 2007, 03:17:06 pm »

I can't be sure but I think "wiener" is a hot-button for the one-eyed master of thread locking.   

Wait a minute, Spack only has one eye?  When did that happen?  Or are we still talking about Noe's weiner?

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« Reply #68 on: August 23, 2007, 03:19:44 pm »
That's pretty narrow-minded of you. Perhaps you could benefit from auditing some of those engrams that are holding you back from being an Operating Thetan.

It's enough of a struggle for me to think that a white hippie with blue eyes, born in the middle east on a pagan holiday over 2000 years ago (give or take 30 years) to a 14 year old virgin and a guy with no discernable sex drive, gives a shit whether or not I give someone 5 or 10% of my income.  Don't throw in goddamn spaceships and expect me not to spit up a little bit.

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« Reply #69 on: August 23, 2007, 03:22:42 pm »
It's enough of a struggle for me to think that a white hippie with blue eyes, born in the middle east on a pagan holiday over 2000 years ago (give or take 30 years) to a 14 year old virgin and a guy with no discernable sex drive, gives a shit whether or not I give someone 5 or 10% of my income.  Don't throw in goddamn spaceships and expect me not to spit up a little bit.

Well shit, when you put it that way, Travolta sounds downright reasonable. I'm going to go get some fresh batteries for my e-meter...
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« Reply #70 on: August 23, 2007, 03:29:20 pm »
Well shit, when you put it that way, Travolta sounds downright reasonable. I'm going to go get some fresh batteries for my e-meter...

Plus, Travolta has Kelly Preston.  Jebus had Mary Magdalene...who was, well not easy on the eye.

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« Reply #71 on: August 23, 2007, 03:42:52 pm »


I said my kid- absolutely, my parent no way in hell and my brother I'd have think about.  No change in the statement.


my dad died at 75 of lung cancer. there was nothing i could do for him, but if i could have given him a part of me to keep him alive for a few more years, i would have done so gratefully and gladly.

i would never ask Mark or his sister to do something that would hurt them, but i am also grateful and humbled by Mark's response to your post on this thread. you disgraced yourself, imo, with the "no way in hell" statement. that is very sad.
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« Reply #72 on: August 23, 2007, 03:49:09 pm »
It's enough of a struggle for me to think that a white hippie with blue eyes, born in the middle east on a pagan holiday over 2000 years ago (give or take 30 years) to a 14 year old virgin and a guy with no discernable sex drive, gives a shit whether or not I give someone 5 or 10% of my income.  Don't throw in goddamn spaceships and expect me not to spit up a little bit.

What's a little sacrilege amongst friends?!
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« Reply #73 on: August 23, 2007, 03:50:02 pm »
What's a little sacrilege amongst friends?!

Other than hippie, what did I say that wasn't factual?

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« Reply #74 on: August 23, 2007, 03:54:34 pm »
Other than hippie, what did I say that wasn't factual?

Factual?  Hell if I know.  It happened before documented history!  But the sacrilege part occurs around the time you started questioning any of it.  Where's you honest catholic guilt man!  Have the decency to have a fair amount of shame.  And you call yourself a catholic! 

Seriously, all this stuff reminds me of the time my aunt and my mother called the entire family hedons after we spent an entire weekend in a church for a family wedding but wouldn't get up to go to mass on New Years day. 
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« Reply #75 on: August 23, 2007, 03:59:26 pm »
Factual?  Hell if I know.  It happened before documented history!  But the sacrilege part occurs around the time you started questioning any of it.  Where's you honest catholic guilt man!  Have the decency to have a fair amount of shame.  And you call yourself a catholic! 

Seriously, all this stuff reminds me of the time my aunt and my mother called the entire family hedons after we spent an entire weekend in a church for a family wedding but wouldn't get up to go to mass on New Years day. 

Hedons? Hedons you say?  Reminds me of the time the football coach yelled at us, "can none of you boys unnerstan plain engish?!"

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« Reply #76 on: August 23, 2007, 04:01:38 pm »
Factual?  Hell if I know.  It happened before documented history!

Well, factual or not, it WAS documented. Carl Everett would like you to remember that dinosaurs were what happened before documented history, which doesn't exist.
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Factual?  Hell if I know.  It happened before documented history!  But the sacrilege part occurs around the time you started questioning any of it.  Where's you honest catholic guilt man!  Have the decency to have a fair amount of shame.  And you call yourself a catholic! 

Seriously, all this stuff reminds me of the time my aunt and my mother called the entire family hedons after we spent an entire weekend in a church for a family wedding but wouldn't get up to go to mass on New Years day. 

Sorry, there should have been a little asterisk next to factual.  I meant factual in the sense that 30,000,000 Catholics believe it to be fact.

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« Reply #78 on: August 23, 2007, 04:08:08 pm »
Factual?  Hell if I know.  It happened before documented history!  But the sacrilege part occurs around the time you started questioning any of it.  Where's you honest catholic guilt man!  Have the decency to have a fair amount of shame.  And you call yourself a catholic! 

Seriously, all this stuff reminds me of the time my aunt and my mother called the entire family hedons after we spent an entire weekend in a church for a family wedding but wouldn't get up to go to mass on New Years day. 

Of course, she lit a cnadle for all of you hedons.
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« Reply #79 on: August 23, 2007, 04:19:41 pm »
You are confusing heathen with hedon.  I made the same mistake at the time but no, she meant we were all "pleasure seakers" or more interested in relaxing than obeying a holy day of obligation.  I'm sure we would have qualified as heathens had we not attended mass 2 of the previous 3 days. 
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You are confusing heathen with hedon.  I made the same mistake at the time but no, she meant we were all "pleasure seakers" or more interested in relaxing than obeying a holy day of obligation.  I'm sure we would have qualified as heathens had we not attended mass 2 of the previous 3 days. 

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« Reply #81 on: August 23, 2007, 04:23:54 pm »
You are confusing heathen with hedon.  I made the same mistake at the time but no, she meant we were all "pleasure seakers" or more interested in relaxing than obeying a holy day of obligation.  I'm sure we would have qualified as heathens had we not attended mass 2 of the previous 3 days. 

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« Reply #82 on: August 23, 2007, 04:29:58 pm »
You are confusing heathen with hedon.  I made the same mistake at the time but no, she meant we were all "pleasure seakers" or more interested in relaxing than obeying a holy day of obligation.  I'm sure we would have qualified as heathens had we not attended mass 2 of the previous 3 days. 

Would that not be 'hedonist'? I don't think 'hedon' is a word.
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« Reply #83 on: August 23, 2007, 04:33:15 pm »
Would that not be 'hedonist'? I don't think 'hedon' is a word.

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« Reply #84 on: August 23, 2007, 04:37:06 pm »
Great, so I've learned nothing. Thanks.

Hold up, OED gives us hedonic, hedonical, hedonism, hedonist, hedonistic, hedonolgy, even hedonmeter (an apparatus for measuring pleasure.) Nope, no hedon.  But I say we cut the women some slack, they were confounded by a bunch of no good lay abouts and were on a roll.

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« Reply #85 on: August 23, 2007, 04:37:56 pm »
Great, so I've learned nothing. Thanks.

Oh, but you have. Your lunchtime realization will take you farther than a made up word.
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Great, so I've learned nothing. Thanks.

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« Reply #87 on: August 23, 2007, 04:56:57 pm »
good word.

You'll excuse me if I don't take credit because I'm not absolutely certain it conjugates to the form used.  However, do you have an aunt or matriarch in your family you simply do not antagonize in any way?  Well, that was this aunt. 

To conclude the story, I was getting up off my comfortable spot on the couch when my father and uncle both said, "That very well may be but we are all exhausted."


eta:  I was responding not to give me credit before all the other responses but work got in the way....
As I stated above, I do not dare correct this particular aunt.
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« Reply #88 on: August 23, 2007, 04:59:58 pm »
You'll excuse me if I don't take credit because I'm not absolutely certain it conjugates to the form used.  However, do you have an aunt or matriarch in your family you simply do not antagonize in any way?  Well, that was this aunt. 

To conclude the story, I was getting up off my comfortable spot on the couch when my father and uncle both said, "That very well may be but we are all exhausted."


eta:  I was responding not to give me credit before all the other responses but work got in the way....
As I stated above, I do not dare correct this particular aunt.

Only one?  Quote the OED to her next time.

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« Reply #89 on: August 23, 2007, 05:01:29 pm »
Only one?  Quote the OED to her next time.

It sounds like she might be the kind of aunt who will take that OED and put it to another use.
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« Reply #90 on: August 24, 2007, 06:33:45 am »
Hold up, OED gives us hedonic, hedonical, hedonism, hedonist, hedonistic, hedonolgy, even hedonmeter (an apparatus for measuring pleasure.) Nope, no hedon.  But I say we cut the women some slack, they were confounded by a bunch of no good lay abouts and were on a roll.

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« Reply #91 on: August 24, 2007, 09:10:01 pm »
Sorry, there should have been a little asterisk next to factual.  I meant factual in the sense that 30,000,000 Catholics believe it to be fact.


Catholic chicks are hot.  That's one thing.  And, we got bingo.  And calesthenics and wine (OK, blood) at Mass.  And that Catholic guilt thing you talked about is a terrific source of creative tension, in my experience.

So, you get babes and gambling, booze and excercise.  And an impetus for personal expression.  What more could one want from a belief system, I ask you?

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« Reply #92 on: August 25, 2007, 09:18:39 am »

Catholic chicks are hot.  That's one thing.  And, we got bingo.  And calesthenics and wine (OK, blood) at Mass.  And that Catholic guilt thing you talked about is a terrific source of creative tension, in my experience.

So, you get babes and gambling, booze and excercise.  And an impetus for personal expression.  What more could one want from a belief system, I ask you?

The ability to recant on one's deathbed if necessary. 

Wait a minute...got that one too.

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« Reply #93 on: August 25, 2007, 09:27:46 am »
would you ask mark for one of his kidneys at this stage in your life if it might have harmful effects to him later on?  That seems incredibly selfish to me.

It's not something I'd ask of one of my kids. I'm just saying I can't sit here and say it's an automatic for me.

Hell- I was listening to Dr. Laura about a month ago when someone called with this very dilemna, she said it was selfish as hell for the parent (around 65) to ask for that from their child- way too dangerous and not the proper role of things. If that makes me an asshole whatever. I promise I'm not the only one to think this way, and gun to a head I doubt I'm even in the minority.



The future is uncertain and life can be taken in an instant. There are so many things we can't control. Advancements in medicine have made kidney transplant surgery near routine, and has extended the life of many loved ones over the years. 

Wuhorn, in the past, I've tried to understand your stances on some of the most ridiculous and insipid points of view. No more. I think it's repugnant and cavalier that you would so quickly and brazenly dismiss the opportunity to give the gift of life back to one of the people responsible for your existence. It's simply the greatest thing you could do in your life. You can not do anything with a higher purpose. It's not a sacrifice it's an act of kindness. You only need one healthy kidney. You have two. One is a spare. Humankind awaits.

What if Vince needed a kidney?

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« Reply #94 on: August 25, 2007, 09:29:45 am »
The ability to recant on one's deathbed if necessary. 

Wait a minute...got that one too.

Proving the theory of "I had my fingers crossed behind my back so it doesn't count."  And finally refutes, "you're it, no take backs".

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« Reply #95 on: August 27, 2007, 09:43:05 am »
Would that not be 'hedonist'? I don't think 'hedon' is a word.

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Re: Blind squirrel, meet nut
« Reply #96 on: August 27, 2007, 10:05:11 am »

Catholic chicks are hot

Point of order: I was a heathen (hedon) protestant before converting to a fish eater about twentysomething years ago.  After careful examination and considerable thought these many years both before and since, I can say without reservation, that the talent walking into your First Baptist/Methodist/Presbyterian/Church of Christ on a given Sunday in any city in any state of the former Confederacy will shame SHAME each and every mass at Our Lady of Sorrows.  It's not close.  Since becoming a Catholic, I've had to think about baseball a lot less in church.
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