Author Topic: Ensberg DFA'd (Read 6884 times)

Taras Bulba · « **on:** July 29, 2007, 11:37:45 am »

says the Chronical.

MikeyBoy · « **Reply #1 on:** July 29, 2007, 11:48:52 am »

Twoniner · « **Reply #2 on:** July 29, 2007, 11:56:57 am »

I'll never forget what a gamer Morgan was. Playing through injuries, with what we now know was absolutely zero fall off from his overall healthy level of production.

BUWebguy · « **Reply #3 on:** July 29, 2007, 12:09:29 pm »

Astros.com confirms.

http://houston.astros.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20070729&content_id=2116718&vkey=news_hou&fext=.jsp&c_id=hou

Craig · « **Reply #4 on:** July 29, 2007, 12:09:51 pm »

I'm suddenly a much bigger fan of the Wigginton trade. I hate to see it happen to Ensberg like this because he sounds like a great guy. But he had way too much time, IMO, to turn things around and didn't do it. Good luck wherever you end up.

Fredia · « **Reply #5 on:** July 29, 2007, 12:16:22 pm »

Quote from: Craig on July 29, 2007, 12:09:51 pm

I'm suddenly a much bigger fan of the Wigginton trade. I hate to see it happen to Ensberg like this because he sounds like a great guy. But he had way too much time, IMO, to turn things around and didn't do it. Good luck wherever you end up.

well said and maybe one of those things you expect but you are still suprised when it happens. like the pain of child birth. you know its comming but never really expect it to be as bad as it is. poor morgan, i am sure he expected it to happen but did not expect it to be today. maybe this is the shake up the team needs

mihoba · « **Reply #6 on:** July 29, 2007, 12:25:15 pm »

Quote from: Fredia on July 29, 2007, 12:16:22 pm

poor morgan, i am sure he expected it to happen but did not expect it to be today. maybe this is the shake up the team needs

Poor Morgan my ass, he has cashed $8 million worth of checks the last two years, and he had every chance to turn it around.

I expect a club will pick him up soon. The Astros have 10 days to trade him, I'm not holding my breath.

kevinG · « **Reply #7 on:** July 29, 2007, 12:26:43 pm »

A sad day, if only for what I'll remember Ensberg for (his 2005 season), and I wish him the best. I've been an Ensberg fan for a long time, even as it's become clearer and clearer that he could never match his career year. And the image of him in 2005, with that badass wide-open stance, always looking to mash the ball, is what I'll remember.

Who knows if he'll fix his problems somewhere else, but good luck Mo.

Navin R Johnson · « **Reply #8 on:** July 29, 2007, 12:27:33 pm »

Just curious, if someone picks him up after the 10 days, do they have to pay the rest of his salary for this year?

MikeyBoy · « **Reply #9 on:** July 29, 2007, 12:30:52 pm »

Quote from: Navin R Johnson on July 29, 2007, 12:27:33 pm

Just curious, if someone picks him up after the 10 days, do they have to pay the rest of his salary for this year?

Nope. They would pay a prorated league minimum, similar the the Castilla deal for the Astros in 2001(?).

mihoba · « **Reply #10 on:** July 29, 2007, 12:36:05 pm »

Quote from: MikeyBoy on July 29, 2007, 12:30:52 pm

Nope. They would pay a prorated league minimum, similar the the Castilla deal for the Astros in 2001(?).

Yeah, I believe the Astros will be responsible for most of the cash, similar to the Preston Wilson DFA last year.

Craig · « **Reply #11 on:** July 29, 2007, 12:39:13 pm »

Anyone remember that fan interview from a game earlier this season, where the guy was going on and on about his "man-crush" (his words) on Morgan Ensberg? He said every guy is allowed one man-crush, and his was on Ensberg. I'll bet that man's crushed today.

SeanBergmanRules · « **Reply #12 on:** July 29, 2007, 12:55:19 pm »

Your only allowed one man crush? Shit.

Craig · « **Reply #13 on:** July 29, 2007, 12:57:53 pm »

Quote from: SeanBergmanRules on July 29, 2007, 12:55:19 pm

Your only allowed one man crush? Shit.

You can have mine; I'm not using it.

And quit looking at my ass like that.

WulawHorn · « **Reply #14 on:** July 29, 2007, 12:58:15 pm »

I wish Ensberg all the luck in the world- he is supposedly about the best guy around, and I really hope he succeeds elsewhere.

I'm not at all sorry to see him go as a fan of the Astros.

I hope he goes to the AL and becomes an all star (or at least anywhere but the NL Central).

Randy Watson · « **Reply #15 on:** July 29, 2007, 01:01:31 pm »

Quote from: WulawHorn on July 29, 2007, 12:58:15 pm

I wish Ensberg all the luck in the world- he is supposedly about the best guy around, and I really hope he succeeds elsewhere.

I'm not at all sorry to see him go as a fan of the Astros.

I hope he goes to the AL and becomes an all star (or at least anywhere but the NL Central).

Ditto. I hope he does turn it around. He is a great human being....which in the grand scheme is the most important thing. I really hoped he would turn it around this year. He was nails in 2003 and 2005.

SeanBergmanRules · « **Reply #16 on:** July 29, 2007, 01:42:59 pm »

I may be guilty of falling into the "give him a few more weeks" trap, but I'm kind of worried about DFAing a guy whose hitting .379, albeit in limited at bats, since the All Star break.

pravata · « **Reply #17 on:** July 29, 2007, 01:53:30 pm »

At least he didnt have to sit through the 1st inning.

Noe · « **Reply #18 on:** July 29, 2007, 01:58:23 pm »

Now the Wiggington deal makes sense. Looks like the Astros know that Morgan will never get over that shoulder injury enough to be a full time starter for anyone in the majors. Too bad, Ensberg looked like he could've been a decent major leaguer. I think all the trading and manuevers are over, IHMO of course. I would be surprised to see Loretta cut loose now. Maybe not Jennings, but I kind of doubt that will be a deal they make this trading deadline as well.

legs_of_eggs · « **Reply #19 on:** July 29, 2007, 02:14:21 pm »

Forget Ensberg he brought this on himself no other team would've given him this much slack to turn it around

Arky Vaughan · « **Reply #20 on:** July 29, 2007, 03:05:18 pm »

I was as big an Ensberg fan as anyone for much of his time with the Astros, but it was painful to watch him flailing the last two seasons. Continuing to give him opportunies reminded me of the Samuel Johnson quote, "A second marriage is the triumph of hope over experience."

Arky Vaughan · « **Reply #21 on:** July 29, 2007, 03:11:07 pm »

The demise:

2003 .291/.377/.530
2004 .275/.330/.411
2005 .283/.388/.557
2006 .235/.396/.463
2007 .232/.323/.384

The thing I will always remember about Ensberg is that in the most successful season in franchise history, he finished as high in MVP voting as Biggio ever did.

Think about how much it must suck personally to go through the struggles he's had. Imagine going from where he was to where he's at now. At least he got very well compensated in the process, but I imagine he'd forgo most of that money to still be able to start for a big-league team again. I hope he can turn it around and have that chance.

HurricaneDavid · « **Reply #22 on:** July 29, 2007, 04:52:55 pm »

Ensberg seemed like a great guy, but it was really hard to watch all the strikeouts the past couple years. Hopefully he can latch on with another club and be productive once again. Time to turn my Ensberg jersey into an Oswalt one...

Phil_in_CS · « **Reply #23 on:** July 29, 2007, 05:39:49 pm »

pretty amazing he wasn't a throw in to tampa in the Wigginton deal.

WulawHorn · « **Reply #24 on:** July 29, 2007, 06:46:26 pm »

Quote from: Arky Vaughan on July 29, 2007, 03:11:07 pm

The demise:

2003 .291/.377/.530
2004 .275/.330/.411
2005 .283/.388/.557
2006 .235/.396/.463
2007 .232/.323/.384

The thing I will always remember about Ensberg is that in the most successful season in franchise history, he finished as high in MVP voting as Biggio ever did.

Think about how much it must suck personally to go through the struggles he's had. Imagine going from where he was to where he's at now. At least he got very well compensated in the process, but I imagine he'd forgo most of that money to still be able to start for a big-league team again. I hope he can turn it around and have that chance.

The 06 numbers don't look all that bad rate wise. I mean that's an OPS of over 850 which is above league average. Nobody who saw moberg in 06 would describe him as above league average. I didn't realize his stats were that "good" in 06. He's been a train wreck this year- as I said though, I wish him the best.

pravata · « **Reply #25 on:** July 29, 2007, 07:02:24 pm »

Quote from: WulawHorn on July 29, 2007, 06:46:26 pm

The 06 numbers don't look all that bad rate wise. I mean that's an OPS of over 850 which is above league average. Nobody who saw moberg in 06 would describe him as above league average. I didn't realize his stats were that "good" in 06. He's been a train wreck this year- as I said though, I wish him the best.

In April of 06 Ensberg hit 9 homeruns, an average of .329 and had an OPS of 1.232. The Astros spent the rest of the season waiting for that guy to show back up.

BUWebguy · « **Reply #26 on:** July 29, 2007, 08:13:21 pm »

Will Carroll says the Twins and Phillies might be interested in actually dealing for Ensberg.

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=6514

Kent's Moustache · « **Reply #27 on:** July 29, 2007, 10:32:03 pm »

Quote from: Arky Vaughan on July 29, 2007, 03:11:07 pm

The thing I will always remember about Ensberg is that in the most successful season in franchise history, he finished as high in MVP voting as Biggio ever did.

Bingo.

Morgan's production over the past couple seasons is what it is.

However, the Astros absolutely do not make the playoffs in 2005 without him. He carried the offense for stretches of the season, particularly while Berkman's knee was still gimpy.

IMHO, Ensberg deserves the NL Championship ring that those guys wear as much as any other Astro. For that alone, he deserves a lasting quantum of respect from Astros fans.

Desperado · « **Reply #28 on:** July 30, 2007, 04:52:43 am »

I feel like I'm just echoing previously expressed sentiments, but what the heck.

As frustrating as he's been to watch, I've always been a Morgan Ensberg fan. I will remember him by the presence he was at the plate in 2005 and all the walkoff hits he gave us. [I don't even know if there were that many, but it feels like a lot of the games I went to that year were ones that Morgan ended.] Good luck, Mo.

Col. Sphinx Drummond · « **Reply #29 on:** July 30, 2007, 06:38:24 am »

I really appreciate Morgan for the quality of his character, his contributions to the community, and his professionalism in coping with his offensive struggles. Because of the type of person Morgan is, his opportunity to succeed on the field was extended far beyond what a malcontent would've received. Still, he played himself off this team, and though he's only part of the blame for this sorry season the team is having, it was time to cut ties. I wish him well.

JimR · « **Reply #30 on:** July 30, 2007, 07:52:03 am »

Quote from: SeanBergmanRules on July 29, 2007, 01:42:59 pm

I may be guilty of falling into the "give him a few more weeks" trap, but I'm kind of worried about DFAing a guy whose hitting .379, albeit in limited at bats, since the All Star break.

you must be kidding.

Noe · « **Reply #31 on:** July 30, 2007, 09:08:30 am »

Quote from: Kent's Moustache on July 29, 2007, 10:32:03 pm

Bingo.

Morgan's production over the past couple seasons is what it is.

However, the Astros absolutely do not make the playoffs in 2005 without him. He carried the offense for stretches of the season, particularly while Berkman's knee was still gimpy.

IMHO, Ensberg deserves the NL Championship ring that those guys wear as much as any other Astro. For that alone, he deserves a lasting quantum of respect from Astros fans.

Agreed. Apart from his annoying penchant for wanting to turn the cleanup/#5 hitter spot into a OBP, take a walk for goodnessake position, the real issue was his shoulder injury. That is not to be confused with his bad back issue and his wrist issue that cause his up and down type of seasons. There is no denying that when Morgan Ensberg felt good, he was a very good run producer and swung the bat well. Right up there with the best of them. The question now becomes will he bounce back from his ailments like Troy Glaus did or fade away like an Eric Hinske after his career year? Only time will tell.

Here is hoping he feels good enough again and is healthy to do just that instead of wanting to be a leadoff hitter or #2 guy for the rest of his career. He's fooling himself when he thinks that is a good idea.

ybbodeus · « **Reply #32 on:** July 30, 2007, 09:09:40 am »

Quote from: Taras Bulba on July 29, 2007, 11:37:45 am

says the Chronical.

You read the Chromical?

Limey · « **Reply #33 on:** July 30, 2007, 09:10:23 am »

Quote from: Desperado on July 30, 2007, 04:52:43 am

I feel like I'm just echoing previously expressed sentiments, but what the heck.

As frustrating as he's been to watch, I've always been a Morgan Ensberg fan. I will remember him by the presence he was at the plate in 2005 and all the walkoff hits he gave us. [I don't even know if there were that many, but it feels like a lot of the games I went to that year were ones that Morgan ended.] Good luck, Mo.

It was heart wrenching, after that performance, to see the dead meat that he became at the plate during the playoffs. The Series was particularly painful as his frozen bat negated Berkman's hot one. Given that the Astros needed one more hit, per game, to completely reverse the sweep, not having a 3 or 4 hitter was probably the difference.

I feel sorry for the guy, but he's been Iceberg for coming up on two full seasons. That's more than enough time given to a guy without whom that wonderful yet fateful World Series berth would not have happened.

JimR · « **Reply #34 on:** July 30, 2007, 11:56:03 am »

classy guy, Morgan Ensberg. i hope he rebounds.

MusicMan · « **Reply #35 on:** July 30, 2007, 12:41:06 pm »

Carroll on Ensberg, from his latest rumor update:

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There's a surprising amount of non-interest in Morgan Ensberg; I could only find one team that's made any inquiry.

Why is this surprising? The Astros have tried to trade him for almost a year now, with no takers, and they've now severely limited their bargaining power via the DFA.

Noe · « **Reply #36 on:** July 30, 2007, 12:44:43 pm »

Quote from: MusicMan on July 30, 2007, 12:41:06 pm

Carroll on Ensberg, from his latest rumor update:

Why is this surprising? The Astros have tried to trade him for almost a year now, with no takers, and they've now severely limited their bargaining power via the DFA.

I think many teams believe he's damaged goods.

Arky Vaughan · « **Reply #37 on:** July 30, 2007, 12:51:01 pm »

Quote from: Noe in Austin on July 30, 2007, 12:44:43 pm

I think many teams believe he's damaged goods.

Or at least plays like damaged goods.

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