Texas LAW question (NON BB)

[ASTROCREEP]

I just got a ticket for no front license plate. Everything I've heard and read, you have to have 2 license plates, but the law DOESN'T say it has to be on the bumper. So I had it on my dash, and you can clearly see it?

So any advice from the lawyers in the group?

Should I fight this?
Should I just pay the fine and drill holes in my car?

Does anyone know the EXACT law?

[Albino Rhino]

I'm not licensed to practice law in the state of Texas, but: 

http://tlo2.tlc.state.tx.us/statutes/tn.toc.htm

§ 502.404. OPERATION OF VEHICLE WITHOUT LICENSE PLATE OR
REGISTRATION INSIGNIA.  (a) A person commits an offense if the
person operates on a public highway during a registration period a
passenger car or commercial motor vehicle that does not display two
license plates, at the front and rear of the vehicle, that have
been:
      (1)  assigned by the department for the period;  or                           
      (2)  validated by a registration insignia issued by the
department that establishes that the vehicle is registered for the
period.

§ 502.409. WRONG, FICTITIOUS, ALTERED, OR OBSCURED
LICENSE PLATE.  (a) A person commits an offense if the person
attaches to or displays on a motor vehicle a number plate or
registration insignia that:
      [. . .]
      (7)  has a coating, covering, or protective material
that:                 
         (A)  distorts angular visibility or
detectability;  or                     
         (B)  alters or obscures the letters or numbers on
the plate, the color of the plate, or another original design
feature of the plate.

So, keeping in mind that I'm not a Texas lawyer and I don't practice traffic law, it would seem you could make an argument that your license plate was on the front of the car, so you were in compliance with the letter of the law.  But in traffic court, I would guess the default rule is to uphold tickets.  I hope this is some help.

[HudsonHawk]

The law says you must have two plates, one in the front and one in the rear, and that they both be visible.  The exact placement is undefined.

[BizidyDizidy]

I try to get most of my legal advice from non-lawyers on the interweb.

[gleach]

I just got a ticket for no front license plate. Everything I've heard and read, you have to have 2 license plates, but the law DOESN'T say it has to be on the bumper. So I had it on my dash, and you can clearly see it?

So any advice from the lawyers in the group?

Should I fight this?
Should I just pay the fine and drill holes in my car?

Does anyone know the EXACT law?

In my experience, this is a "fix-it" ticket.  Just get some velcro and double sided tape.  Stick the plate to the bumper
and take a picture.  Should be good enough.

Edited because I can't spell.

[OldBlevins]

By the way,under that second provision,502.409, almost all dealer license plate holders are illegal, because they obscure the space shuttle, the cowboy, something . . .

[MusicMan]

By the way,under that second provision,502.409, almost all dealer license plate holders are illegal, because they obscure the space shuttle, the cowboy, something . . .

This will no longer be true as of Sept. 1.  The Legislature passed corrective measures as that was not the intent of the law.

Of course, HPD continues to write tickets for that like there's no tomorrow.

[Astroholic]

This will no longer be true as of Sept. 1.  The Legislature passed corrective measures as that was not the intent of the law.

Of course, HPD continues to write tickets for that like there's no tomorrow.

I had read in the comical that the police chief had told his officers not to write tickets for this any longer, due to the new law as of Sept 1.

[VirtualBob]

I had read in the comical that the police chief had told his officers not to write tickets for this any longer, due to the new law as of Sept 1.

Well ... there are a limited number of "tomorrows" for them to cash in on ...

[Lurch]

That's become an annual $45 fee for me.  I get pulled over maybe twice a year for not having a front license plate and ~half the time I actually get a ticket.

[tophfar]

That's become an annual $45 fee for me.  I get pulled over maybe twice a year for not having a front license plate and ~half the time I actually get a ticket.

get a hammer, break one of the brackets on your license plate holder and keep the plate in the car.

when you get pulled over, tell them it just broke  and you are getting it fixed.  wont say always, but usually will get you out of the ticket.

[ASTROCREEP]

That's become an annual $45 fee for me.  I get pulled over maybe twice a year for not having a front license plate and ~half the time I actually get a ticket.

It's only a $45 fine??

[JackAstro]

get a hammer, break one of the brackets on your license plate holder and keep the plate in the car.

when you get pulled over, tell them it just broke  and you are getting it fixed.  wont say always, but usually will get you out of the ticket.

Can you explain why breaking a piece of your vehicle with a hammer is preferable to having a front license plate? I am actually curious.

[tophfar]

some people will go to great lengths not to have a front license plate.

im not saying im one of them, but i have been told that this usually works from people that are willing to go to such lengths.

[VirtualBob]

some people will go to great lengths not to have a front license plate.

im not saying im one of them, but i have been told that this usually works from people that are willing to go to such lengths.

As I understand it, this removes the prime target for a laser speed gun ... so I've heard.  may actually be worth $45/year to some people.

[Bench]

I'm sure if you feel like showing up, you can get it dismissed either on the merits or for curing it in a timely fashion.

My advice is to call the clerk at the traffic court. They've seen it all, and in my experience are generally quite helpful (with a little persistance) in assisting your disposal of these types of tickets.

[Craig]

As far as choosing your battles goes, this seems like a dumb one. Are you so lazy or "independent" that you can't stick a fucking license plate on the front of your car? Damn. Anything that begs for the DPS or HPD to stop you and check out your car seems like a very bad idea to me. Especially when it's something so petty and pointless.

Jesus, just put the fucking plate on your car.

Or move to one of the nearby states, like mine, which only require back plates. Because, really, the peace of mind you get from not being downtrodden by The Man is priceless. A guy can only stand so much License Plate Repression before he snaps.

Help, help, I'm being repressed!

[Bench]

As far as choosing your battles goes, this seems like a dumb one. Are you so lazy or "independent" that you can't stick a fucking license plate on the front of your car? Damn. Anything that begs for the DPS or HPD to stop you and check out your car seems like a very bad idea to me. Especially when it's something so petty and pointless.

Jesus, just put the fucking plate on your car.

Or move to one of the nearby states, like mine, which only require back plates. Because, really, the peace of mind you get from not being downtrodden by The Man is priceless. A guy can only stand so much License Plate Repression before he snaps.

Help, help, I'm being repressed!

And that, too.

[Lurch]

$45 in Williamson County.

Many nice cars don't have a place designed for a front license plate, so drilling is required.  Dealers know this turns away some buyers and generally wont put one on such cars until the point of sale, and then you have to tell them explicitly not to (I'm not sure legally they're allowed to agree, but they always have for me)

Every session removing the front plate comes up in the Texas legislature but falls short of being passed. 

[JimR]

As far as choosing your battles goes, this seems like a dumb one. Are you so lazy or "independent" that you can't stick a fucking license plate on the front of your car? Damn. Anything that begs for the DPS or HPD to stop you and check out your car seems like a very bad idea to me. Especially when it's something so petty and pointless.

Jesus, just put the fucking plate on your car.

Or move to one of the nearby states, like mine, which only require back plates. Because, really, the peace of mind you get from not being downtrodden by The Man is priceless. A guy can only stand so much License Plate Repression before he snaps.

Help, help, I'm being repressed!

amen, bro. preach, Preacher!

[ASTROCREEP]

As far as choosing your battles goes, this seems like a dumb one. Are you so lazy or "independent" that you can't stick a fucking license plate on the front of your car? Damn. Anything that begs for the DPS or HPD to stop you and check out your car seems like a very bad idea to me. Especially when it's something so petty and pointless.

Jesus, just put the fucking plate on your car.

Or move to one of the nearby states, like mine, which only require back plates. Because, really, the peace of mind you get from not being downtrodden by The Man is priceless. A guy can only stand so much License Plate Repression before he snaps.

Help, help, I'm being repressed!

You are obviously are NOT a car guy.

[Holly]

Seemed a little harsh to me. Not that it's a luxury vehicle or anything, but having holes for a license plate bracket drilled in the chrome on the front of my new car was a little cringe-worthy.

[ASTROCREEP]

Seemed a little harsh to me. Not that it's a luxury vehicle or anything, but having holes for a license plate bracket drilled in the chrome on the front of my new car was a little cringe-worthy.

AND, the ONLY reason it IS a law, so they have a better target for their radar guns. $$$$$

[VirtualBob]

AND, the ONLY reason it IS a law, so they have a better target for their radar guns. $$$$$

... which point I made earlier ... it is not about the pettiness of having or not having a llicense plate.  And the 'repression' is one of kinetics, not aesthetics.

[Andyzipp]

AND, the ONLY reason it IS a law, so they have a better target for their radar guns. $$$$$

So prior to radar guns being put into widespread use by highway patrol and various municipalities, the front plate requirement was just some really well thoughtout future planning?

[JimR]

AND, the ONLY reason it IS a law, so they have a better target for their radar guns. $$$$$

well, drive the speed limit and screw them up.

i'll bet that has been the law in Texas way before there were radar guns. move to California and quit whining.

[mihoba]

Seemed a little harsh to me. Not that it's a luxury vehicle or anything, but having holes for a license plate bracket drilled in the chrome on the front of my new car was a little cringe-worthy.

Chrome? They still make that stuff?

[ASTROCREEP]

So prior to radar guns being put into widespread use by highway patrol and various municipalities, the front plate requirement was just some really well thoughtout future planning?

That's going pretty far back, but I could image that they could charge you more if you had to buy 2.

[ASTROCREEP]

well, drive the speed limit and screw them up.

i'll bet that has been the law in Texas way before there were radar guns. move to California and quit whining.

Try buying a car worth caring about, and maybe you would feel different.

[MRaup]

Try buying a car worth caring about, and maybe you would feel different.

Like that '62 Corvette with a front plate?

[JimR]

Try buying a car worth caring about, and maybe you would feel different.

i have a car worth caring about. i also have a front plate. what's your point?

obey the law or move where there is a different one.

[Holly]

Chrome? They still make that stuff?

You know what I mean Just shiny trim on an integrated front bumper. "Chrome" was easier to type.

[JGrave]

Try buying a car worth caring about, and maybe you would feel different.

Cars worth caring about need to be properly licensed too.  It's the law dude.  Really. 

[ASTROCREEP]

i have a car worth caring about. i also have a front plate. what's your point?

obey the law or move where there is a different one.

Maybe you would be happier in Communist Russia, where they tell you how eat, breath, shit and who you can screw.

Questioning our laws is more "Patriotic" than following them like blind sheep.

[ASTROCREEP]

Cars worth caring about need to be properly licensed too.  It's the law dude.  Really. 

There is no law that says it needs to be displayed ON the bumper, apparently.

[JGrave]

There is no law that says it needs to be displayed ON the bumper, apparently.

Well, then fight it.  Good luck. 

[MusicMan]

Maybe you would be happier in Communist Russia, where they tell you how eat, breath, shit and who you can screw.

Questioning our laws is more "Patriotic" than following them like blind sheep.

You see, folks, we have here a true Texan patriot.  A follower of Gandhi's school of principled civil disobedience. 

Of course, a true Texan also knows that Gandhi had the nonviolence part wrong.  The Texan way is to go through life armed and intoxicated.  You think John Wayne conquered the Old West with a sit-in?  Shit no.  He would drink a bottle of rotgut and then blast any peckerwood who dared cross his path.

Of course, he might have been gay, so I'm really not ssure of my point anymore.

Except that only Communists have front license plates on the bumper.

And Al Qaeda.

If you put your plates on your bumper... the terrorists have already won.

[BudGirl]

Try buying a car worth caring about, and maybe you would feel different.

No, I wouldn't.  You may not think my car is worth caring about but I love my car.  She has taken a beating and runs like a freaking champ. 

[ASTROCREEP]

You see, folks, we have here a true Texan patriot.  A follower of Gandhi's school of principled civil disobedience. 

Of course, a true Texan also knows that Gandhi had the nonviolence part wrong.  The Texan way is to go through life armed and intoxicated.  You think John Wayne conquered the Old West with a sit-in?  Shit no.  He would drink a bottle of rotgut and then blast any peckerwood who dared cross his path.

Of course, he might have been gay, so I'm really not ssure of my point anymore.

Except that only Communists have front license plates on the bumper.

And Al Qaeda.

If you put your plates on your bumper... the terrorists have already won.

damn straight, the drunk part will come Friday, NOT in my beloved car.

Front license plate ...... then suicide bomber! Slipery slope.

[Taras Bulba]

Maybe you would be happier in Communist Russia, where they tell you how eat, breath, shit and who you can screw.

Questioning our laws is more "Patriotic" than following them like blind sheep.

So, you're saying the front license plate thing is really an international communist conspiracy to sap and inpurify our natural bodily fluids?  That's how your hard core commie thinks.

[MusicMan]

So, you're saying the front license plate thing is really an international communist conspiracy to sap and inpurify our natural bodily fluids?  That's how your hard core commie thinks.

It's a plan.  Your average Russkie don't take a dump with out a plan, son.

[Holly]

So, you're saying the front license plate thing is really an international communist conspiracy to sap and inpurify our natural bodily fluids?  That's how your hard core commie thinks.

I suspect ASTROCREEP would also deny any DPS officer his essence, when pulled over, too.

[JimR]

Maybe you would be happier in Communist Russia, where they tell you how eat, breath, shit and who you can screw.

Questioning our laws is more "Patriotic" than following them like blind sheep.

you are a fucking lunatic. question away, my young jailbird. i'm sure there are lawyers out there waiting for your call.

[JimR]

Maybe you would be happier in Communist Russia, where they tell you how eat, breath, shit and who you can screw.

Questioning our laws is more "Patriotic" than following them like blind sheep.

i don't know, but my guess is that you are unable to screw anyone, here or in Russia.

[JackAstro]

Questioning our laws is more "Patriotic" than following them like blind sheep.

Being an unpatriotic, blind sheep on matters of front license plates, could you tell me if your personal redemption song has a verse about emancipating yourself from something a little more inspiring than the oppression of vehicular license display regulations? I mean, I'm on board with any good revolution, this one just lacks a little oomph in its current form.

[Kent's Moustache]

Being an unpatriotic, blind sheep on matters of front license plates, could you tell me if your personal redemption song has a verse about emancipating yourself from something a little more inspiring than the oppression of vehicular license display regulations? I mean, I'm on board with any good revolution, this one just lacks a little oomph in its current form.

No kidding.

I haven't been this underwhelmed by a revolutionary cause since Charles Guiteau assassinated President Garfield because of his proponency of civil service reform.  I say damn the civil service and those who would reform it.

[VirtualBob]

So, you're saying the front license plate thing is really an international communist conspiracy to sap and inpurify our natural bodily fluids?  That's how your hard core commie thinks.

That really calls for an appropriate youtube link.  Great movie reference!

[Bench]

i don't know, but my guess is that you are unable to screw anyone, here or in Russia.

After all that tort re-form, lawdy knows we need the business.

[das]

AND, the ONLY reason it IS a law, so they have a better target for their radar guns. $$$$$

...because speed enforcement is all about $$$ and not safety.  Riiiiiiiight...

[NeilT]

...because speed enforcement is all about $$$ and not safety.  Riiiiiiiight...

How can you be a Texan and not want Texas plates on your car?  2 aren't enough.

[ASTROCREEP]

How can you be a Texan and not want Texas plates on your car?  2 aren't enough.

Wow, I was going to add to my previous post  ...like blind sheep taking it in the ass by a retard farmer from Crawford.

But it seems you guys are the sheep and JimR is that farmer.

It's amazing you guys can pull your noses out of JimR's ass long enough to type anything.

[MRaup]

Wow, I was going to add to my previous post  ...like blind sheep taking it in the ass by a retard farmer from Crawford.

But it seems you guys are the sheep and JimR is that farmer.

It's amazing you guys can pull your noses out of JimR's ass long enough to type anything.

Ahhh, the sleeper troll. After 700+ posts, emerges from a shell of normality to start flinging retarded insults with the absolute surety that HE is right and the 10+ people railing on him are wrong.

[Fredia]

some people will go to great lengths not to have a front license plate.

im not saying im one of them, but i have been told that this usually works from people that are willing to go to such lengths.

ok why would you want to not have a front licnese..

[JackAstro]

Wow, I was going to add to my previous post  ...like blind sheep taking it in the ass by a retard farmer from Crawford.

But it seems you guys are the sheep and JimR is that farmer.

It's amazing you guys can pull your noses out of JimR's ass long enough to type anything.

Go fuck yourself, asshole.

[Noe]

Wow, I was going to add to my previous post  ...like blind sheep taking it in the ass by a retard farmer from Crawford.

But it seems you guys are the sheep and JimR is that farmer.

It's amazing you guys can pull your noses out of JimR's ass long enough to type anything.

Remind me again who posted this question in the very first post in this thread: So any advice from the lawyers in the group?

If you weren't serious, then you were trolling.  Which was it?

[MRaup]

Remind me again who posted this question in the very first post in this thread: So any advice from the lawyers in the group?

If you weren't serious, then you were trolling.  Which was it?

Noe, you just don't get it!

Creep KNOWS he is right, even though he asked a question.

Everyone else are a bunch of lackey polesmokes.

[Andyzipp]

Wow, I was going to add to my previous post  ...like blind sheep taking it in the ass by a retard farmer from Crawford.

How was SiCKO?  I keep meaning to ask someone objective...

[JimR]

Wow, I was going to add to my previous post  ...like blind sheep taking it in the ass by a retard farmer from Crawford.

But it seems you guys are the sheep and JimR is that farmer.

It's amazing you guys can pull your noses out of JimR's ass long enough to type anything.

fuck off, jerk. leave before you get banned.

[WulawHorn]

It seems like a silly law to me when lots of car makers don't make it standard to have a front plate.

It's required so I would always have one- why get yourself pulled over if you could avoid it.

I'm not a car guy though- I think of it as a means of getting from point A to B, not a manner of personal expression, wealth (or lack there of), taste or style. Just someway to get from point A to B.  My buddy had a mustang cobra he loved. It didn't come standard with the plate.  I think he got pulled over ever once, and the cop let him out of a ticket (it was late at night-and a pretext to find out if he was drinking imo).

Certainly nothing worthy of starting a revolution over

[geezerdonk]

Wow, I was going to add to my previous post  ...like blind sheep taking it in the ass by a retard farmer from Crawford

HD is that you? After all these years, is it really, really you?

[JimR]

HD is that you? After all these years, is it really, really you?

never thought of that. could be.

[Noe]

never thought of that. could be.

Nope.  Seems to be a reasonable facsimile though.  Remember when AstroPete thought this board needed him to be the next HD?  Yeah, that was a failed experiment on his part.

[Andyzipp]

It seems like a silly law to me when lots of car makers don't make it standard to have a front plate.

Certainly nothing worthy of starting a revolution over

The law is in place for easier identification of cars.  This helps in investigations, pursuits, etc.  That's the only reason Texas (and some other states) require 2 plates.

[Taras Bulba]

The law is in place for easier identification of cars.  This helps in investigations, pursuits, etc.  That's the only reason Texas (and some other states) require 2 plates.

Schlong gorvelling bushnecks.

[Craig]

Ahhh, the sleeper troll. After 700+ posts, emerges from a shell of normality to start flinging retarded insults with the absolute surety that HE is right and the 10+ people railing on him are wrong.

You know, I think you're onto something about the Sleeper Troll. I considered invoking the "Strosrays 13 Steps of Trolling" yesterday, but I wasn't sure we were there yet. But I think today we've covered steps 10 and 11:

Step 10 - Take the high road, and say 'I am done with this', in a lofty way

Step 11 - Get hammered for it

We might have to ask for a ruling from strosrays, but I think the weak "sheep farmer" smack qualifies for Step 10.

[Andyzipp]

You know, I think you're onto something about the Sleeper Troll. I considered invoking the "Strosrays 13 Steps of Trolling" yesterday, but I wasn't sure we were there yet. But I think today we've covered steps 10 and 11:

Everything happens in patterns...in sequences. Sometimes the length between those sequences are too long to notice them.

[Duman]

The law is in place for easier identification of cars.  This helps in investigations, pursuits, etc.  That's the only reason Texas (and some other states) require 2 plates.

31 states + DC require 2 plates.

Gotta love DC's "Taxation without Representation" slogan on theirs.

[Ty in Tampa]

31 states + DC require 2 plates.

Gotta love DC's "Taxation without Representation" slogan on theirs.

Florida is not one of them. That doesn't keep people from putting them on the front of their cars, though. But they're not the official state-supplied ones, no. They're the beautifully airbrushed sunset scene with "Julie" or "Bridgette" painted in cursive across it. Or the rhinestone interlocking NY on a mirrored background. Or the one that looks like the "Arrive Alive" Florida specialty plate, except it says, "Arrive Stoned."

[geezerdonk]

weak "sheep farmer" smack

I completely overlooked the sheep reference.
It seems that many decades ago there was an Aggie joke whose punchline was: Sheep?
Can't remember the joke, just the punchline.

[Andyzipp]

Florida is not one of them. That doesn't keep people from putting them on the front of their cars, though. But they're not the official state-supplied ones, no. They're the beautifully airbrushed sunset scene with "Julie" or "Bridgette" painted in cursive across it. Or the rhinestone interlocking NY on a mirrored background. Or the one that looks like the "Arrive Alive" Florida specialty plate, except it says, "Arrive Stoned."

You stay classy, Ocala.

[JackAstro]

Florida is not one of them. That doesn't keep people from putting them on the front of their cars, though. But they're not the official state-supplied ones, no. They're the beautifully airbrushed sunset scene with "Julie" or "Bridgette" painted in cursive across it. Or the rhinestone interlocking NY on a mirrored background. Or the one that looks like the "Arrive Alive" Florida specialty plate, except it says, "Arrive Stoned."

From what I understand, in Arkansas, the front plates all say "D-Mac".

[Craig]

From what I understand, in Arkansas, the front plates all say "D-Mac".

I think that's only in Fayetteville and maybe Little Rock. In my part of the state, the front plates are usually a razorback, a largemouth bass, or Jesus. All of which come in optional Mossy Oak camo motif.

You can still see deer-head front plates, but I think those are becoming more rare since you can get a personalized plate with that design now.

[MikeyBoy]

I think that's only in Fayetteville and maybe Little Rock. In my part of the state, the front plates are usually a razorback, a largemouth bass, or Jesus. All of which come in optional Mossy Oak camo motif.

You need to add 'rebel flag' to your list.

We had a Texas flag front plate when we lived in Arkansas, as did several people in the Bentonville/Rogers area.

[WulawHorn]

From what I understand, in Arkansas, the front plates all say "D-Mac".

Thank you so much for that link. That and your stubbing are making you my new favorite OWA poster ever (since Alkie quit the site and all).

[NeilT]

Wow, I was going to add to my previous post  ...like blind sheep taking it in the ass by a retard farmer from Crawford.

But it seems you guys are the sheep and JimR is that farmer.

It's amazing you guys can pull your noses out of JimR's ass long enough to type anything.

Yeap.  My agreements with Jim ought to be legendary.

[Duman]

Thank you so much for that link. That and your stubbing are making you my new favorite OWA poster ever (since Alkie quit the site and all).

Isn't that like saying your my new favorite girlfriend since my last one broke up with me.

[JimR]

Yeap.  My agreements with Jim ought to be legendary.

if your damn nose were not so big, some of the others could get in too.

[JackAstro]

Isn't that like saying your my new favorite girlfriend since my last one broke up with me.

You know, at first I was feeling pretty good about it, but now I'm going to have to run from the room so no one will see me crying.










Dicks.

[Ty in Tampa]

That and your stubbing...

You like his stubbing, do you?

[das]

Everything happens in patterns...in sequences. Sometimes the length between those sequences are too long to notice them.

Nice thread hijack into a Global Warming discussion...

[NeilT]

if your damn nose were not so big, some of the others could get in too.

Are you kidding?  I'm amazed you can get any work done what with the crowd and all.

[JimR]

Are you kidding?  I'm amazed you can get any work done what with the crowd and all.

huh? sorry, i was in the parking garage ripping my front plates off.

[JackAstro]

huh? sorry, i was in the parking garage ripping my front plates off.

Vive le revolcion. I guess that sound I hear in the distance is the rumble of your flock scrambling to bang on their cars with hammer.

[MusicMan]

Damn, I was banging the sheep with a hammer.  I'm always a step behind.

[Andyzipp]

Nice thread hijack into a Global Warming discussion...

You know me, Al Gore's biggest fan.  After all the thoughts he shared in AIT were all his own.

[Andyzipp]

Vive le revolcion. I guess that sound I hear in the distance is the rumble of your flock scrambling to bang on their cars with hammer.

I gave my front bumper to a prostitute (she said she'd recycle it after removing the chrome) so there'd be no turning back.

Jim's ass smells great!

[NeilT]

Damn, I was banging the sheep with a hammer.  I'm always a step behind.

I thought the sheep's shoulders were manly.  Disgusting.

[JimR]

Damn, I was banging the sheep with a hammer.  I'm always a step behind.

a step behind the sheep is not close enough.

[Phil_in_CS]

I completely overlooked the sheep reference.
It seems that many decades ago there was an Aggie joke whose punchline was: Sheep?
Can't remember the joke, just the punchline.

"Sheep" is in fact the answer to many questions here in aggieland

[JimR]

"Sheep" is in fact the answer to many questions here in aggieland

one of them being: "who are you dating?"

[Phil_in_CS]

one of them being: "who are you dating?"

today's aggies don't date sheep. They use that new term "friends with benefits"

[austro]

today's aggies don't date sheep. They use that new term "friends with benefits"

I thought it was "barnyard animals with benefits".

[Bench]

today's aggies don't date sheep. They use that new term "friends with benefits"

I believe that term has been distilled to a "fuckbuddy."

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

I just want to say if someone was going to violate the law, I'd rather it be not having a front plate than dealing crack, or killing someone that didn't merit it.

[Andyzipp]

I just want to say if someone was going to violate the law, I'd rather it be not having a front plate than dealing crack, or killing someone that didn't merit it.

It's not really an either or situation.  There is no requirement to be breaking a law at any given time.

[Jacksonian]

I just want to say if someone was going to violate the law, I'd rather it be not having a front plate than dealing crack, or killing someone that didn't merit it.

It's not about violating the law.  He's revolting.

And, yes, he does stink on ice.

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

It's not about violating the law.  He's revolting.

And, yes, he does stink on ice.

I was just saying.

[Limey]

You see, folks, we have here a true Texan patriot.  A follower of Gandhi's school of principled civil disobedience.  Of course, a true Texan also knows that Gandhi had the nonviolence part wrong.

Ghandi II, he's back...and he's pissed!