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Re: Stark article on Biggio's #3,000
« Reply #1 on: June 29, 2007, 12:07:13 am »
ya beat me to it.

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Re: Stark article on Biggio's #3,000
« Reply #2 on: June 29, 2007, 12:10:50 am »
By just four minutes.  You must have been reading while he was posting.
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Re: Stark article on Biggio's #3,000
« Reply #3 on: June 29, 2007, 12:12:40 am »
jayson stark is one really good writer, even if it is for ESPN.   fabulous article.
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Re: Stark article on Biggio's #3,000
« Reply #4 on: June 29, 2007, 12:15:19 am »
Not only does he praise Biggio, he takes a jab at DQ in the process. Awesome.

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Re: Stark article on Biggio's #3,000
« Reply #5 on: June 29, 2007, 12:35:53 am »
Not only does he praise Biggio, he takes a jab at DQ in the process. Awesome.

I thought Biggio took an indirect jab at DQ and prissy pants in his post game comments when he talked about there not being any loyalty among the players.

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« Reply #6 on: June 29, 2007, 12:37:29 am »
I thought Biggio took an indirect jab at DQ and prissy pants in his post game comments when he talked about there not being any loyalty among the players.

He said management, too.
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« Reply #7 on: June 29, 2007, 08:05:26 am »
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« Reply #8 on: June 29, 2007, 08:12:42 am »
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« Reply #9 on: June 29, 2007, 08:48:45 am »
A duck walks in to a bar.......I don't remember the punchline, but your mother's a whore.

I think that's what Frank Thomas told the umpire so he could get off work early to start his private #500 celebration...
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Re: Stark article on Biggio's #3,000
« Reply #10 on: June 29, 2007, 10:39:04 am »
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=stark_jayson&id=2920433

How about this idiotic comment by one 'delbruck' (from the Stark article comments)

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It's nice that Craig Biggio could get to 3,000 hits, but Hall of Famer? Let's not get carried away. He's a career .282 hitter, and has a .365 OBP (and he's a lead-off hitter), only twice did he break .300 BA (and in shortened seasons), never had 200 hits in a season, and was only an average fielder. He played in the era of offense, steroids and big ball, yet had fairly dismal offensive numbers for one who played as long as he did. Is 3,000 hits an automatic for the Hall? It used to be but nowadays players are playing longer, and by the sheer law of averages more mediocre players will rise to this plateau. The threshold needs to change, just as 500 home runs isn't an automatic ticket to the Hall neither should 3,000 hits for someone as mediocre as Biggio. Consistent yes but consistently mediocre.
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« Reply #11 on: June 29, 2007, 10:43:47 am »
How about this idiotic comment by one 'delbruck' (from the Stark article comments)


This child doesnt realize that mediocre players don't play for 20 years.  It's likely he hasn't been alive for that long so what happened today is his complete frame of reference.

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Re: Stark article on Biggio's #3,000
« Reply #12 on: June 29, 2007, 10:50:07 am »
Most of the comments have a tone of respect, even from opposing teams.

Amazingly, there's a Trolley Dodgers fan who says something to the effect of "I'd give up a pennant for the Dodgers to see Biggio get a WS ring."

But of course there's always someone with a heavy dose of smug and a small dose of knowledge who desperately wants to stand out.

This child doesnt realize that mediocre players don't play for 20 years.  It's likely he hasn't been alive for that long so what happened today is his complete frame of reference.
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« Reply #13 on: June 29, 2007, 10:54:36 am »
But of course there's always someone with a heavy dose of smug and a small dose of knowledge who desperately wants to stand out.

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« Reply #14 on: June 29, 2007, 10:55:39 am »
This child doesnt realize that mediocre players don't play for 20 years.  It's likely he hasn't been alive for that long so what happened today is his complete frame of reference.

This child doesn't even have his facts straight. 210 hits in 1998.
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« Reply #15 on: June 29, 2007, 11:46:36 am »
How about this idiotic comment by one 'delbruck' (from the Stark article comments)


THIS is why you have to watch the game and get your freaking head out of the stat book.  It gives a bad name to the good sabrematricians amongst us!

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Re: Stark article on Biggio's #3,000
« Reply #16 on: June 29, 2007, 12:35:48 pm »
THIS is why you have to watch the game and get your freaking head out of the stat book.  It gives a bad name to the good sabrematricians amongst us!

Even if you choose to use numbers exclusively, it's still totally fucking obvious. In the decade-long stretch between the early 90s and the beginning of the aughts, he was absolutely sublime on the stat sheets. He was, statistically, the best 2nd basemen of his era, and one of the best of all time. Even if you've never seen him play once, this is so fucking simple. For those who actually watch baseball, I'm amazed if it's even a question.
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Re: Stark article on Biggio's #3,000
« Reply #17 on: June 29, 2007, 12:38:06 pm »
For those who actually watch baseball, I'm amazed if it's even a question.

For those who actually watch baseball, it's not a question.  This is a pretty clear litmus test to determine if anyone watched a single baseball game in the 1990s.
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Re: Stark article on Biggio's #3,000
« Reply #18 on: June 29, 2007, 02:31:57 pm »
This child doesn't even have his facts straight. 210 hits in 1998.


And four times he had a .300+ batting average, not the "twice" cited by goober.  And only one season was "shortened".  Come to think of it, this guy hasn't paid any attention whatsoever.
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« Reply #19 on: June 29, 2007, 02:36:43 pm »

And four times he had a .300+ batting average, not the "twice" cited by goober.  And only one season was "shortened".  Come to think of it, this guy hasn't paid any attention whatsoever.

I think the other "shortened" seasons he's complaining about had to do with strikes. But he's still a goober.
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« Reply #20 on: June 29, 2007, 02:45:21 pm »

And four times he had a .300+ batting average, not the "twice" cited by goober.  And only one season was "shortened".  Come to think of it, this guy hasn't paid any attention whatsoever.

And no mention of the Astrodome effect either.

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« Reply #21 on: June 29, 2007, 02:46:25 pm »
THIS is why you have to watch the game and get your freaking head out of the stat book.  It gives a bad name to the good sabrematricians amongst us!

Actually, if he had his head in a stat book, he wouldn't have made so many factual errors in his post.

He's a total troll. He's just there to piss people off.

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« Reply #22 on: June 29, 2007, 02:47:37 pm »
Actually, if he had his head in a stat book, he wouldn't have made so many factual errors in his post.

He's a total troll. He's just there to piss people off.

Eggszactly, he passed himself off as a knowledgeable stat-geek and that is an insult to those who really are and make much more intelligent arguments.

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« Reply #23 on: June 29, 2007, 03:35:11 pm »
There is a large clot, more like an anal fistula of people posting in various Astros related venues complaining that Biggio kept playing only to reach the number and that he was doing this all for himself.  The other topic is who should the Astros play now that Biggio will be benched.  These people should not be allowed to watch baseball much less express an opinion.

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« Reply #24 on: June 29, 2007, 03:47:06 pm »
There is a large clot, more like an anal fistula of people posting in various Astros related venues complaining that Biggio kept playing only to reach the number and that he was doing this all for himself.  The other topic is who should the Astros play now that Biggio will be benched.  These people should not be allowed to watch baseball much less express an opinion.


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« Reply #25 on: June 29, 2007, 04:27:08 pm »
Don't get me started. Fistulae like that ungrateful stupid person at Astros Dugout are a disgrace to true Astros fans.

That person is beneath contempt.  Being stupid is one thing.  Being aggressively stupid, every minute of every day, and being proud enough of said wall-to-wall stupidity to post it in a fucking blog for all to see, well, that's a level of stupidity that is truly ugly to witness. . . the kind of stupidity that makes the thought of a festering anal fistule pleasant, by comparison.

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« Reply #26 on: June 29, 2007, 04:28:01 pm »
That person is beneath contempt.  Being stupid is one thing.  Being aggressively stupid, every minute of every day, and being proud enough of said wall-to-wall stupidity to post it in a fucking blog for all to see, well, that's a level of stupidity that is truly ugly to witness. . . the kind of stupidity that makes the thought of a festering anal fistule pleasant, by comparison.

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« Reply #27 on: June 29, 2007, 04:30:24 pm »
There is a large clot, more like an anal fistula of people posting in various Astros related venues complaining that Biggio kept playing only to reach the number and that he was doing this all for himself.  The other topic is who should the Astros play now that Biggio will be benched.  These people should not be allowed to watch baseball much less express an opinion.


To the extent they think Biggio was playing for just one person -- himself -- I hereby raise my hand and state that he was playing for me too, because I was cheering him on all the way. That makes at least two of us, but I suspect for what I saw at the ballpark last night that there are others.

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« Reply #28 on: June 29, 2007, 04:32:30 pm »
Being stupid is one thing.  Being aggressively stupid, every minute of every day, and being proud enough of said wall-to-wall stupidity...

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« Reply #29 on: June 29, 2007, 04:49:00 pm »
and they drop by here from time to time.


And are taken aback -- well and truly shocked (albeit not speechless, alas) -- when they find a small clump of fans, Fistulae Like Us, if you will, who do not necessarily believe the primary purpose of baseball is to be just another facet of modern life for one to bitch and moan about, like the government, or the price of gasoline.

I was looking at The Chron's sports page last night, which is a chore.  I believe every time they run across a new HTML gew-gaw or applet thing, they immediately plug it into the page.  Anyway, after allowing my eyes to focus for a bit, I was able to see some links to Biggio/3000 content.  No text, just links.  I did not want to click on them, and launch countless additional Java applications, but before leaving I decided to look around the perimeter of the Astros page.  On the fringes, there was a McTaggert column in which he crows that he is often accused of being too hopeful when it comes to the Astros, but now he, McTaggert, is officially pronouncing them dead for the season.  The insinuation being that any wayward thought that randomly alights in McTaggert's head is column-worthy.

Then there was this little tidbit, by someone calling himself 'gwire', in a section called Rant and Rave, which is I assume a place for readers to vent:

"It's time for somebody to publicly call these guys out. Somebody needs to question their heart."

On the night that arguably the greatest player in franchise history passes a milestone that will be remembered by baseball fans everywhere, for all time.

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« Reply #30 on: June 29, 2007, 05:24:07 pm »

And are taken aback -- well and truly shocked (albeit not speechless, alas) -- when they find a small clump of fans, Fistulae Like Us, if you will, who do not necessarily believe the primary purpose of baseball is to be just another facet of modern life for one to bitch and moan about, like the government, or the price of gasoline.

I was looking at The Chron's sports page last night, which is a chore.  I believe every time they run across a new HTML gew-gaw or applet thing, they immediately plug it into the page.  Anyway, after allowing my eyes to focus for a bit, I was able to see some links to Biggio/3000 content.  No text, just links.  I did not want to click on them, and launch countless additional Java applications, but before leaving I decided to look around the perimeter of the Astros page.  On the fringes, there was a McTaggert column in which he crows that he is often accused of being too hopeful when it comes to the Astros, but now he, McTaggert, is officially pronouncing them dead for the season.  The insinuation being that any wayward thought that randomly alights in McTaggert's head is column-worthy.

Then there was this little tidbit, by someone calling himself 'gwire', in a section called Rant and Rave, which is I assume a place for readers to vent:

"It's time for somebody to publicly call these guys out. Somebody needs to question their heart."

On the night that arguably the greatest player in franchise history passes a milestone that will be remembered by baseball fans everywhere, for all time.

And the skies are not cloudy all day.

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Re: Stark article on Biggio's #3,000
« Reply #31 on: June 29, 2007, 09:44:20 pm »
Ugh, Its quite annoying to read the people arguing against his hall numbers. Especially the arguements about his longevitity giving him those numbers.

"If so and so hit .260 for 20+ years he'd have 3000 hits too"

Um, ok...well Biggio is hitting .280 for his career...thats highly respectable and thats hall of fame material. No one mentions that Biggio's numbers would have probably hit 3000 last year or the year before if he didn't get injured in 2000. Hell, Biggio would probably have 300 homers to add to his credit.