reverT

[MusicMan]

At what point do we cut bait on him?  Randolph and MacLemore are reasonable alternatives to a guy giving up over a .400 OBP and who, as a situational lefty, is giving up an OPS of nearly 1.000 to lefties.

[JimR]

At what point do we cut bait on him?  Randolph and MacLemore are reasonable alternatives to a guy giving up over a .400 OBP and who, as a situational lefty, is giving up an OPS of nearly 1.000 to lefties.

i'm a big Randolph fan. i do not know what else he can do.

[Fredia]

why does garner , at least in my book, trot him out there for every lefthanded pitcher even tho he knows the results of what will happen

[Mddlfngz]

T. Miller, just another one of purp's loverboys

[remy]

Damndest thing is, he was very effective last year.  I guess it was just a matter of time before he reverTed to his old mediocre ways.

[Taras Bulba]

Damndest thing is, he was very effective last year.  I guess it was just a matter of time before he reverTed to his old mediocre ways.

That was a pitiful outing last night.  The funny thing is, if they do cut bait on Miller, some club will gladly snatch him because he's left handed and can fog a mirror.

[JimR]

T. Miller, just another one of purp's loverboys

fuck this. take it somewhere else.

[Mddlfngz]

fuck this. take it somewhere else.

go back and read what he said when we signed him.

"He's a high character type of person, which is obviously something that's very important to us," Astros general manager Tim Purpura said of Miller. "But No. 1 is his ability on the mound. We've been looking for a lefty reliever to come in and help stabilize our bullpen and give us another option in the bullpen on the left side with Mike Gallo. It gives Phil a lot of versatility. I talked to Phil (Sunday) night. He was really pleased to have another lefty on board that can give him the ability to use maybe one lefty earlier in the game and another lefty later in the game. Really, since Phil and I started working together, this has been his goal. His goal is to get two lefties in the bullpen, and I think this accomplishes that. It gives us that versatility."

[Andyzipp]

go back and read what he said when we signed him.

"He's a high character type of person, which is obviously something that's very important to us," Astros general manager Tim Purpura said of Miller. "But No. 1 is his ability on the mound. We've been looking for a lefty reliever to come in and help stabilize our bullpen and give us another option in the bullpen on the left side with Mike Gallo. It gives Phil a lot of versatility. I talked to Phil (Sunday) night. He was really pleased to have another lefty on board that can give him the ability to use maybe one lefty earlier in the game and another lefty later in the game. Really, since Phil and I started working together, this has been his goal. His goal is to get two lefties in the bullpen, and I think this accomplishes that. It gives us that versatility."

Do you deny that he pitched well last year?  Do you believe that a reliever's performance is certain from year to year?

[Mddlfngz]

Do you deny that he pitched well last year?  Do you believe that a reliever's performance is certain from year to year?

no, no.

[Lefty]

no, no.

Then what the hell was your point?

[remy]

Then what the hell was your point?

He has finger diarrhea.  Leave him alone.

[MusicMan]

I've read Purp's quotes.  Then I re-read them.

And I can't, for the life of me, figure the connection between what he said and what you wrote without including mind-altering drugs in the mix.

[homer]

I've read Purp's quotes.  Then I re-read them.

And I can't, for the life of me, figure the connection between what he said and what you wrote without including mind-altering drugs in the mix.

That is why he is a handicapper and you are just an accountant.

[Andyzipp]

no, no.

So he took a chance last year, and it worked out (after a slow, injured start).
He took the same chance this year, and it hasn't worked out so far. 

How do you criticize someone for something so uncertain that works 50% of the time.

[Mddlfngz]

Then what the hell was your point?

i wasn't denying that he had a good year last year just like i wasn't denying that relievers can fluctuate from year to year.  

last year: 50.2 innings, 13 BB, 56 K's.  

this year: 15 innings, 13 BB, 17 K's

[Lefty]

i wasn't denying that he had a good year last year just like i wasn't denying that relievers can fluctuate from year to year. 

last year: 50.2 innings, 13 BB, 56 K's. 

this year: 15 innings, 13 BB, 17 K's

Nonresponsive.

[Mddlfngz]

I've read Purp's quotes.  Then I re-read them.

And I can't, for the life of me, figure the connection between what he said and what you wrote without including mind-altering drugs in the mix.

when i think of trever miller, i don't exactly think of "mound ability".  we may disagree here.

[jaklewein]

So he took a chance last year, and it worked out (after a slow, injured start).
He took the same chance this year, and it hasn't worked out so far. 

How do you criticize someone for something so uncertain that works 50% of the time.

It's really fairly simple people...Middle-diddle's blaming last night's lost wages on Miller.

[Mddlfngz]

Nonresponsive.

i'm simply implying that he was due for a serious regression after last year and that it shouldn't come as a surprise that the regression is occuring. 

[Mddlfngz]

It's really fairly simple people...Middle-diddle's blaming last night's lost wages on Miller.

anyone who would make a wager on woody williams at coors field shouldn't be making wagers.

[JimR]

anyone who would make a wager on woody williams at coors field shouldn't be making wagers.

go fuck yourself.

[Mddlfngz]

go fuck yourself.

i'm sorry you disagree.  would you have put money on woody last night despite his #'s at coors?  1-2, 14.90 in 7 starts.

[homer]

i'm simply implying that he was due for a serious regression after last year and that it shouldn't come as a surprise that the regression is occuring. 

do you make your wagers on who is 'due'?

[MusicMan]

i'm simply implying that he was due for a serious regression after last year and that it shouldn't come as a surprise that the regression is occuring. 

It's no surprise to see a handicapper state the gambler's fallacy so clearly.

[ValpoCory]

Damndest thing is, he was very effective last year.  I guess it was just a matter of time before he reverTed to his old mediocre ways.

Check out his All-Star Break splits:
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlbhist/players/splits?statsId=5705&type=pitching&year=2006

4.38 ERA before
1.73 ERA after

However, much like keeping Ensberg for an odd-numbered year was ludicrous, so is flat out expecting reverT to improve just because he did last year.

[Noe]

Trever may have some bad stretches of baseball, that much is true, but he's not a bad pitcher at all.  I'm uneasy putting Miller in a similar category as Mike Gallo, for instance, because Miller can really help this club win some games while Gallo just flat out could not contribute one darn thing.

Therein lies the difference.

[Mddlfngz]

Trever may have some bad stretches of baseball, that much is true, but he's not a bad pitcher at all.  I'm uneasy putting Miller in a similar category as Mike Gallo, for instance, because Miller can really help this club win some games while Gallo just flat out could not contribute one darn thing.

Therein lies the difference.

How can you say he's not a bad pitcher when his lifetime era and whip are 4.522 and 1.550?  Tell me what I'm missing?  Intangibles?  Please. 

[MRaup]

How can you say he's not a bad pitcher when his lifetime era and whip are 4.522 and 1.550?  Tell me what I'm missing?  Intangibles?  Please. 

I would say his life-time against lefties is the only thing that should concern people.

Him facing righties is a win in the matchup department.

[JimR]

How can you say he's not a bad pitcher when his lifetime era and whip are 4.522 and 1.550?  Tell me what I'm missing?  Intangibles?  Please. 

what you are missing is a brain.

[Bench]

How can you say he's not a bad pitcher when his lifetime era and whip are 4.522 and 1.550?  Tell me what I'm missing?  Intangibles?  Please. 

What's are the league averages for a situational lefty?

[Mddlfngz]

what you are missing is a brain.

that was thoughtful jim.

[Noe]

How can you say he's not a bad pitcher when his lifetime era and whip are 4.522 and 1.550?  Tell me what I'm missing?  Intangibles?  Please. 

Ahum... watching him pitch instead of reading stat lines?

[Mddlfngz]

Ahum... watching him pitch instead of reading stat lines?

we've both watched him pitch noe.  this year his era is 7.80 and his whip is 2.133.  what about those numbers impresses you?

[Noe]

we've both watched him pitch noe.  this year his era is 7.80 and his whip is 2.133.  what about those numbers impresses you?

That is a hillarious question.  Thanks!

[MRaup]

we've both watched him pitch noe.  this year his era is 7.80 and his whip is 2.133.  what about those numbers impresses you?

So, why do you watch baseball at all?

Why not just look at the stats after the game?

[JimR]

we've both watched him pitch noe.  this year his era is 7.80 and his whip is 2.133.  what about those numbers impresses you?

go fucking away.

[ASTROCREEP]

we've both watched him pitch noe.  this year his era is 7.80 and his whip is 2.133.  what about those numbers impresses you?

I always think it's really wierd when someone uses a picture of themselves as their avatar.



And all this time you guys thought I was Rob Zombie, no sorry I'm not.

[Mddlfngz]

So, why do you watch baseball at all?

Why not just look at the stats after the game?

why are you insinuating that i don't watch?  his stats serve as a painful reminder of how awful he is.

[Mddlfngz]

go fucking away.

you don't have an answer either.

[MRaup]

you don't have an answer either.

Trever Miller's job on this team is to get left handed hitters out.

Thats it.

I don't give a flying fuck what his ERA is. If he is getting lefties out, he is doing his job.

[Andyzipp]

2004 - 2006

against lefthanded hitters
.234/.316/.379

after the all-star break
2.61 era
.219 baa

[Mddlfngz]

Trever Miller's job on this team is to get left handed hitters out.

Thats it.

I don't give a flying fuck what his ERA is. If he is getting lefties out, he is doing his job.

are we talking about the same t. miller?

2007 vs. lefties:  8.2 innings, 9 earned runs, 10 hits, 7 walks (2 intentional)

[Noe]

are we talking about the same t. miller?

2007 vs. lefties:  8.2 innings, 9 earned runs, 10 hits, 7 walks (2 intentional)

Hmmmmm....

[JimR]

are we talking about the same t. miller?

2007 vs. lefties:  8.2 innings, 9 earned runs, 10 hits, 7 walks (2 intentional)

please shut up. you are not going to change anyone's mind. no one is going to change yours.

STFU

[tophfar]

are we talking about the same t. miller?

2007 vs. lefties:  8.2 innings, 9 earned runs, 10 hits, 7 walks (2 intentional)

Hmmmmm....

yeah that shit cracked me up.  using innings and not appearances for a reliever and a LH specialist reliever at that. 

guess maybe we know now why he's a shitty bookie.

[Mddlfngz]

please shut up. you are not going to change anyone's mind. no one is going to change yours.

STFU

jim, i'd be happy to if you can explain how trever is worth a roster spot.  we signed him to be a lefty specialist, this much is true.  you're saying that he's getting things done against lefties?

[Noe]

yeah that shit cracked me up.  using innings and not appearances for a reliever and a LH specialist reliever at that. 

guess maybe we know now why he's a shitty bookie.

Check out Zipper's post and see if you can see the difference.  (*hint*: 2004 - 2006)  Hehe...

[Noe]

jim, i'd be happy to if you can explain how trever is worth a roster spot.  we signed him to be a lefty specialist, this much is true.  you're saying that he's getting things done against lefties?

Wait, wait, wait... that is *NOT* what you asked me.  Please go back and read what you asked me and then you'll get your answer.

[Noe]

OK let me try.

No one was expecting Woody JR Richard Williams to come in hear and blow everyone away.

At best 6 innings 3 runs allowed, consistently.

And what they paid for him? Yeah pretty high, but welcome to 2007 MLB crazy free agent prices. I don't think you pitched in for that?

He has struggled. But he still could turn it around. Did you NOT see his last appearance before Colorado?

That's all good and well, but we're talking about Trever Miller.

[Mddlfngz]

Wait, wait, wait... that is *NOT* what you asked me.  Please go back and read what you asked me and then you'll get your answer.

here's what i asked you:  How can you say he's not a bad pitcher when his lifetime era and whip are 4.522 and 1.550?  Tell me what I'm missing?  Intangibles?

i still don't have an answer from you or jim. 

[MRaup]

here's what i asked you:  How can you say he's not a bad pitcher when his lifetime era and whip are 4.522 and 1.550?  Tell me what I'm missing?  Intangibles?

i still don't have an answer from you or jim. 

What are his numbers against lefties lifetime?

In reliever form, please.

[Noe]

here's what i asked you:  How can you say he's not a bad pitcher when his lifetime era and whip are 4.522 and 1.550?  Tell me what I'm missing?  Intangibles?

i still don't have an answer from you or jim. 

That wasn't what you asked Jim though.  You changed the question.  Those are two very different questions so now I'm confused what you actually want to know.  Here is what you asked Jim:

you're saying that he's getting things done against lefties?

[Mddlfngz]

That wasn't what you asked Jim though.  You changed the question.  Those are two very different questions so now I'm confused what you actually want to know.  Here is what you asked Jim:

they're 2 different questions.  you told me to go back and read what i asked you.  that's what i did.

[JimR]

here's what i asked you:  How can you say he's not a bad pitcher when his lifetime era and whip are 4.522 and 1.550?  Tell me what I'm missing?  Intangibles?

i still don't have an answer from you or jim. 

my answer: fuck off. you are boring me.

[MRaup]

they're 2 different questions.  you told me to go back and read what i asked you.  that's what i did.

Hey, Stats McGee.

I want Trever's career numbers against lefties.

[Noe]

they're 2 different questions.  you told me to go back and read what i asked you.  that's what i did.

Don't change the question in mid-stream because then you'll claim that is not what you asked.  You asked how can I say he is not a *bad* lefty reliever.  I answered and you continued.  Now you changed the question on Jim.  Who in any answer given to you said he was doing a great job getting guys out right now?  In fact, you replied to my post where I said he was having a bad stretch, but he's NOT a bad pitcher.  That is fantacrap sort of reaction to a bad stretch and reason #1 why you should just put the stat sheet down and watch a game or two and see for yourself if he's a good pitcher or not.  Good pitchers can have bad slumps.  Good hitters can have bad slumps (see: Berkman, Lance).  It would be simple to say bad outing = bad pitcher, but that is pablum, stat-watching, not knowing baseball acumen at it's best.  Either you're better than that or you're not.  If I took your sample size approach to judging whether a hitter or pitcher were good or bad, then Lance Berkman is a bad hitter.  Period!

Your answers to date are proving your ability to understand.

[VirtualBob]

Just a little 'leading the witness' exercise to help clarify.

Part 1.  Lefty comes in to face a lefty with a switch hitter on deck who hits better from the left side.  First batter walks (bad result); next batter homers (worse result ... especially if there were inherited runners involved); lefty is lifted.  What was his ERA for that outing?

Part 2.  Same guy has appeared in previous three games, each time facing a single batter and retiring him while also allowing zero inherited runners to score.  What's his ERA in total?

And now for the comprehensive question ... Is "Lefty" doing his job?

[Mddlfngz]

Don't change the question in mid-stream because then you'll claim that is not what you asked.  You asked how can I say he is not a *bad* lefty reliever.  I answered and you continued.  Now you changed the question on Jim.  Who in any answer given to you said he was doing a great job getting guys out right now?  In fact, you replied to my post where I said he was having a bad stretch, but he's NOT a bad pitcher.  That is fantacrap sort of reaction to a bad stretch and reason #1 why you should just put the stat sheet down and watch a game or two and see for yourself if he's a good pitcher or not.  Good pitchers can have bad slumps.  Good hitters can have bad slumps (see: Berkman, Lance).  It would be simple to say bad outing = bad pitcher, but that is pablum, stat-watching, not knowing baseball acumen at it's best.  Either you're better than that or you're not.  If I took your sample size approach to judging whether a hitter or pitcher were good or bad, then Lance Berkman is a bad hitter.  Period!

Your answers to date are proving your ability to understand.

noe,

throughout his career he has not been an effective pitcher.  last year was a career year.  comparing puma's rough start to miller's awful 2007 isn't valid because puma has always been good and miller has not.  deny it all you want.

berkman is a career .300 hitter.  miller has a lifetime 4.56 era. 

[MRaup]

noe,

throughout his career he has not been an effective pitcher.  last year was a career year.  comparing puma's rough start to miller's awful 2007 isn't valid because puma has always been good and miller has not.  deny it all you want.

berkman is a career

SHOW ME HIS CAREER STATS VERSUS LEFTIES!!!!!

[Mddlfngz]

SHOW ME HIS CAREER STATS VERSUS LEFTIES!!!!!

quit yelling and go look it up

[Mddlfngz]

my answer: fuck off. you are boring me.

thanks.  this was a great discussion.

[Noe]

noe,

throughout his career he has not been an effective pitcher.  last year was a career year.  comparing puma's rough start to miller's awful 2007 isn't valid because puma has always been good and miller has not.  deny it all you want.

berkman is a career

Again, when you asked me about *bad*, I was talking about being a lefty reliever.  If you want to change the rules at mid-stream, then you're doing nothing more than following the primer on being a troll on this board.  Stros-rays primer is excellent at showing you just how much you're crabbing away from your question to me.  Either you understand or you freaking don't.  If you continue, it's either that you're trolling or have no freaking clue what anyone is trying to tell you because your nose is so stuck in that stat book you can't see straight.

[VirtualBob]

quit yelling and go look it up

I think his point may have been that he thinks *YOU* should know them ... He probably has already looked them up, but as pointed out earlier, this is not a remedial classroom ... do your own homework.

[MRaup]

quit yelling and go look it up

I don't know much... But I know I've already looked up his career numbers vs. lefties.
And I think Trever is a perfectly acceptable lefty specialist.

You, on the other hand, don't seem to get it.

I'm not surprised.

You don't want to talk about his specific job. You want to use vague stats and skewed numbers to make your argument.

Weak ass bullshit like that doesn't fly here, Chachi.

[Mddlfngz]

Again, when you asked me about *bad*, I was talking about being a lefty reliever.  If you want to change the rules at mid-stream, then you're doing nothing more than following the primer on being a troll on this board.  Stros-rays primer is excellent at showing you just how much you're crabbing away from your question to me.  Either you understand or you freaking don't.  If you continue, it's either that you're trolling or have no freaking clue what anyone is trying to tell you because your nose is so stuck in that stat book you can't see straight.

noe, i'm not changing any questions mid-stream.  i'm saying that he's a bad pitcher overall, a bad pitcher vs. lefties, a bad pitcher vs. righties, a bad pitcher at home, a bad pitcher on the road and so forth.

[Noe]

Weak ass bullshit like that doesn't fly here, Chachi.

Eggszactly!  It's disengenous and just plain wrong.

[Mddlfngz]

I don't know much... But I know I've already looked up his career numbers vs. lefties.
And I think Trever is a perfectly acceptable lefty specialist.

You, on the other hand, don't seem to get it.

I'm not surprised.

You don't want to talk about his specific job. You want to use vague stats and skewed numbers to make your argument.

Weak ass bullshit like that doesn't fly here, Chachi.

era and whip are vague stats?  elaborate please.

[MRaup]

era and whip are vague stats?  elaborate please.

Post his ERA and WHIP vs. Lefties, then we can maybe talk.

You seem to be pretty reluctant to talk about just against left handed hitters though.

[MusicMan]

noe,

throughout his career he has not been an effective pitcher.  last year was a career year.   

Demonstrably false.  reverT was better in 2004 than in 2006.

[Noe]

noe, i'm not changing any questions mid-stream.  i'm saying that he's a bad pitcher overall, a bad pitcher vs. lefties, a bad pitcher vs. righties, a bad pitcher at home, a bad pitcher on the road and so forth.

And I said he's not a bad pitcher as a lefty specialist (like Mike Gallo).  You asked me, "how can you say he's not a bad pitcher?".  I answered and now you're crabbing away from that and using some faulty logic and some isolated stats to try and prove you know what the fuck you're talking about.

You're trolling if you keep this up because you know darn well you've gotten your answer pretty succinctly from many fronts.  If not, then your very ignorant.  I choose to believe you're not ignorant, so you better stop the trolling.  It's not a good idea.

[VirtualBob]

era and whip are vague stats?  elaborate please.

Work out my assignment below ... trust me, there's a clue hidden in there somewhere.

ETA:

Just a little 'leading the witness' exercise to help clarify.

Part 1.  Lefty comes in to face a lefty with a switch hitter on deck who hits better from the left side.  First batter walks (bad result); next batter homers (worse result ... especially if there were inherited runners involved); lefty is lifted.  What was his ERA for that outing?

Part 2.  Same guy has appeared in previous three games, each time facing a single batter and retiring him while also allowing zero inherited runners to score.  What's his ERA in total?

And now for the comprehensive question ... Is "Lefty" doing his job?

[Noe]

Work out my assignment below ... trust me, there's a clue hidden in there somewhere.

8.2 innings, no isolation of situation... he is using stats molded to prove his point and yet he refuses to answer MRaup and refuses to acknowledge the work Zipper posted of a 2004-2006 stretch for Miller.  All of which will prove him wrong in his ignorant opinion of a lefty specialist.

[VirtualBob]

8.2 innings, no isolation of situation... he is using stats molded to prove his point and yet he refuses to answer MRaup and refuses to acknowledge the work Zipper posted of a 2004-2006 stretch for Miller.  All of which will prove him wrong in his ignorant opinion of a lefty specialist.

Noe -- I *know* you can work it out ... I'm trying to get our handicapee to think, but it is probably a low-odds bet.

[MRaup]

Noe -- I *know* you can work it out ... I'm trying to get our handicapee to think, but it is probably a low-odds bet.

The sooner he doesn't work it out, the sooner Spack eats his spleen.

Win/Win situation, I says.

[Noe]

Noe -- I *know* you can work it out ... I'm trying to get our handicapee to think, but it is probably a low-odds bet.

Yeah, I should've been more clear... I was trying to help out that he thinks he's provided the reasonable doubt as to whether Miller qualifies as a bonafide lefty specialist.  So he won't pay attention to your exercise, he'll go with his 8.2 IPs and run with it.

[Mddlfngz]

Yeah, I should've been more clear... I was trying to help out that he thinks he's provided the reasonable doubt as to whether Miller qualifies as a bonafide lefty specialist.  So he won't pay attention to your exercise, he'll go with his 8.2 IPs and run with it.

tell you what, next time miller blows it just remember our special conversation here.

[MusicMan]

Step 10, right on schedule.

[MRaup]

tell you what, next time miller blows it just remember our special conversation here.

You are an absolute fucking moron.

You can't even give your argument here a wobbly leg to stand on, and THAT is the best you can do in the way of a witty retort.

[Mddlfngz]

what's even funnier about this post is that it started like this..."At what point do we cut bait on him?  Randolph and MacLemore are reasonable alternatives to a guy giving up over a .400 OBP and who, as a situational lefty, is giving up an OPS of nearly 1.000 to lefties."... and ended in total denial of miller's past, present and future abilities.  

[Noe]

tell you what, next time miller blows it just remember our special conversation here.

Again, what part of my original post that he's having a bad stretch did you fucking NOT understand troll?

[Noe]

Step 10, right on schedule.

Eggszactly.  He's following the script perfectly.

[homer]

Randolph and MacLemore are reasonable alternatives

Why are they reasonable?

[Mddlfngz]

Again, what part of my original post that he's having a bad stretch did you fucking NOT understand troll?

yep, you're right.  it's just a bad stretch.  he'll be unhittable again soon.

[Mddlfngz]

Why are they reasonable?

ask the original poster

[MusicMan]

what's even funnier about this post is that it started like this..."At what point do we cut bait on him?  Randolph and MacLemore are reasonable alternatives to a guy giving up over a .400 OBP and who, as a situational lefty, is giving up an OPS of nearly 1.000 to lefties."... and ended in total denial of miller's past, present and future abilities.  

And as the writer of that, I stand by it.  But to say that he's never been an effective pitcher, or that 2006 was a "career year", is, as I said, demonstrably false.

[homer]

ask the original poster

so who would you have as the situational lefty?

[Noe]

yep, you're right.  it's just a bad stretch.  he'll be unhittable again soon.

He'll get Adam Dunn, Junior, Edmonds, and other NL Central lefty hitters out some days.  It's is what you need from a lefty reliever.  Not the Mike Gallo kind, but the Trever Miller kind.  You can't, or won't see it.  You're trolling and it stops now!

[MusicMan]

Why are they reasonable?

They are cheap, readily available, and have shown effective at RR.

reverT has been effective before, and may be again in the future, but I prefer the Hunsicker school of thought that relivers are fungible and unpredictable.

[Noe]

They are cheap, readily available, and have shown effective at RR.

reverT has been effective before, and may be again in the future, but I prefer the Hunsicker school of thought that relivers are fungible and unpredictable.

Or give the team more than one option at lefty reliever.  Because like reverT, Randolph will hit his bad stretches as well.  It is like watching Qualls scuffle right now.  I'd rather see more of Lidge in key situations because Quall's pitches are hanging in the strike zone a little too long right now and they're getting hit out of the park or really hard.  Does that mean Qualls is a bad pitcher?  NO!  He's having a bad stretch and unless he's injured, the Astros should not overreact just like they won't with Miller.  The problem with a lefty specialist is that if he is the only one, he stands alone in his island (stretch) of mediocrity.  Ironically, Qualls is the other lefty specialist on this team and he did just as bad last night as Miller.

[homer]

They are cheap, readily available, and have shown effective at RR.

reverT has been effective before, and may be again in the future, but I prefer the Hunsicker school of thought that relivers are fungible and unpredictable.

reverT is paid for, not injured, and has also shown to be highly effective in the majors. Doesn't seem like now is the time to make a change. Maybe add one of the other guys, but not cut bait on reverT.

[MusicMan]

Add Randolph, DFA Moehler is OK by me.

[homer]

Add Randolph, DFA Moehler is OK by me.

Long relief to Borkowski and who?

[Noe]

Add Randolph, DFA Moehler is OK by me.

Works for me.  I think the Astros braintrust have put a lot on Qualls to be a lefty specialist as well and right now, both Miller and Qualls are scuffling.  A few more outings like last night and a move like you're saying may be in the offing.

[MusicMan]

Long relief to Borkowski and who?

And Borkowski.  Long relief hasn't been a big need.

BTW, your note that reverT is paid for is absolutely fair.

[homer]

And Borkowski.  Long relief hasn't been a big need.

BTW, your note that reverT is paid for is absolutely fair.

Yeah, it hasn't been. Wandy isn't on his annual fade, yet.

The guy in the postgame last night (Hohlfield) thinks Woodrow should be in the pen, Albers should be in the rotation and Moehler should be at home. I was wondering if he was having one of those audio problems where he couldn't hear himself talk.

[Mddlfngz]

  You're trolling and it stops now!

ok!

[MRaup]

ok!

I'll believe this when I sees it.

[tophfar]

era and whip are vague stats?  elaborate please.

with regards to relievers, especially ones used for single batters a game, they can be very misleading.

once again, this is why you are a bad bookie.

[VirtualBob]

with regards to relievers, especially ones used for single batters a game, they can be very misleading.

once again, this is why you are a bad bookie.

I think he prefers the term "handicapee"

[MusicMan]

I think he prefers the term "handicapee"

But the rest of us just call him "special".

[MikeyBoy]

i'm saying that he's a bad pitcher overall, a bad pitcher vs. lefties, a bad pitcher vs. righties, a bad pitcher at home, a bad pitcher on the road and so forth.

This has been mentioned already, but looking at macro stats to evaluate a relief pitcher, especially a lefty specialist is just fucking clueless. Success for a reliever is not giving up runs in an appearance and from April 16th to May 17th, in 17 appearances Trever gave up runs in just 1 of those appearances. Since, he has given up runs in 4 of his last 7 appearances. He's in a bit of a rut as of late, but he capable of ripping off several appearances in row without yielding a run.

[VirtualBob]

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This has been mentioned already, but looking at macro stats to evaluate a relief pitcher, especially a lefty specialist is just fucking clueless. Success for a reliever is not giving up runs in an appearance and from April 16th to May 17th, in 17 appearances Trever gave up runs in just 1 of those appearances. Since, he has given up runs in 4 of his last 7 appearances. He's in a bit of a rut as of late, but he capable of ripping off several appearances in row without yielding a run.

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