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« on: May 06, 2007, 02:21:37 pm »
Made the announcement midgame.  Was sitting in the owners box.

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« Reply #3 on: May 06, 2007, 02:28:39 pm »
There are three rules that I live by: never get less than twelve hours sleep; never play cards with a guy who has the same first name as a city; and never get involved with a woman with a tattoo of a dagger on her body. Now you stick to that, and everything else is cream cheese.

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« Reply #4 on: May 06, 2007, 02:28:55 pm »
Clemens a a**hole, and now not our a**hole.

A great competitor, a first ballot Hall of Famer, a jerk.
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« Reply #5 on: May 06, 2007, 02:37:57 pm »
This will make pulling against the Yankees even more enjoyable.
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« Reply #6 on: May 06, 2007, 02:43:20 pm »
from the owner's box?!!

what a supreme assclown.

Roger, you're a fuckin twathole. Don't overdose on Andie's vagisil.

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« Reply #7 on: May 06, 2007, 02:51:15 pm »
from the owner's box?!!

what a supreme assclown.

Roger, you're a fuckin twathole. Don't overdose on Andie's vagisil.

Scheduling the announcement to receive the maximum applause.

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« Reply #8 on: May 06, 2007, 02:52:52 pm »
Guess he can't live without his little butt-buddy. Kinda not surprised.

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« Reply #9 on: May 06, 2007, 02:54:30 pm »
I guess reaching to draft Kolby about 10 rounds to early wasnt enough....

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« Reply #10 on: May 06, 2007, 02:56:55 pm »
I guess reaching to draft Kolby about 10 rounds to early wasnt enough....



dump him now.

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« Reply #11 on: May 06, 2007, 02:58:19 pm »
Please allow me a few moments to grieve the loss.  <tap> <tap> <tap>  Ahhhh....much better now.  Later douche nozzle!   Credit to Dobro for the term "douche nozzle" that still cracks me up.
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« Reply #12 on: May 06, 2007, 02:59:15 pm »
I guess reaching to draft Kolby about 10 rounds to early wasnt enough....


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« Reply #13 on: May 06, 2007, 03:02:41 pm »
dump him now.

that would be pretty shortsighted.
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« Reply #14 on: May 06, 2007, 03:03:36 pm »
Made the announcement midgame.  Was sitting in the owners box.

Good.  Two months later than he should've made the announcement of course, but glad it's over now for those who were holding their breath on his return to Houston.  All four or five of those in the Houston fandom.

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« Reply #15 on: May 06, 2007, 03:06:48 pm »
Oswalt, jennings, Williams, Albers, Sampson. I think we'll be fine without him.

The good part about all of this is that McLane and Purpura, by hook or crook, told his whiny damaged arm buddy so long and then had the audacity to move on with their team without begging Clemens and his agents all winter and early season long to come back. I'll beat the rush. Good work.
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« Reply #16 on: May 06, 2007, 03:29:20 pm »
that would be pretty shortsighted.

he is not a player, but they should not do it. it is not Koby's fault that his father is an asshole.
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« Reply #17 on: May 06, 2007, 03:30:11 pm »
JD reports that Purpura received a call from DQ's agents at 1:14PM today. All they said was that Clemens would not be returning to the Astros.
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« Reply #18 on: May 06, 2007, 03:44:09 pm »
Scheduling the announcement to receive the maximum applause.

Bingo. What better way to stroke his ego than a Second Coming to the Bronx? This season would be a most joyous time to see the Yankees' streak of playoff appearances end.

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« Reply #19 on: May 06, 2007, 03:45:22 pm »
Over the PA, on the jumbo-tron, mid-game, from the owner's box????

I guess CNN and ESPN were too busy to break-away with live coverage? Fools.

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« Reply #20 on: May 06, 2007, 03:49:02 pm »
he is not a player, but they should not do it. it is not Koby's fault that his father is an asshole.

agreed.   he wasnt even going to get book money at UT, if I recall correctly.    He was projected as second day, round twenty or higher guy. 

But cutting him now, would be asinine, for one it isnt his fault his dad, is what he is.   Not only that, but there is always a chance he develops.   It would be beyond low rent to just release the kid.
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« Reply #21 on: May 06, 2007, 03:49:56 pm »
ESPN reports $28 million seasonally, prorated to $4.5 million per month. That's about $800,000 per start.

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« Reply #22 on: May 06, 2007, 03:51:07 pm »
JD reports that Purpura received a call from DQ's agents at 1:14PM today. All they said was that Clemens would not be returning to the Astros.

http://houston.astros.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20070506&content_id=1949427&vkey=news_hou&fext=.jsp&c_id=hou

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« Reply #23 on: May 06, 2007, 04:22:14 pm »
ESPN reports $28 million seasonally, prorated to $4.5 million per month. That's about $800,000 per start.

I was hoping they would report "three year deal" so Racket and his Team Bastards wouldn't play this game any more.  Okay, I was kidding myself to think that Racket would give up the ego stroking and schlong grovelling opportunity every February through May.

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« Reply #24 on: May 06, 2007, 04:26:32 pm »
Comment from Deadspin message board:

"I just got back from the game. Not even a Yankee fan but it was a pretty amazing moment. "Now a special message from the owner's box" and Clemens appears on the scoreboard talking. Couldn't hear a word he was saying, it was pandemonium."

This makes me feel ill.  What a megalomaniacal cuntwhisp.

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« Reply #25 on: May 06, 2007, 04:31:43 pm »
I saw the clip from the Yankees game.  Clemens says "They came and got me out of Texas.  I'll be talking to y'all soon."  Since he's so glad to be rescued from Texas, he can fucking stay in NYC.

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« Reply #26 on: May 06, 2007, 04:40:05 pm »
Good for him. I'm just thankful for the three wonderful years he graced us with. Though the good times and bad, whenever he was around or not, it was special. Now he can go back to the big city and join his partner and they can walk off in the sunset together. Grand. You can't write shit like that.

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« Reply #27 on: May 06, 2007, 05:00:45 pm »
ESPN reports $28 million seasonally, prorated to $4.5 million per month. That's about $800,000 per start.
That's assuming he makes all his starts too. If he misses even a couple, you're well over a million per.

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« Reply #28 on: May 06, 2007, 05:33:50 pm »
Fuck that motherfucker! Enjoy the money, asshole.
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« Reply #29 on: May 06, 2007, 05:36:09 pm »
Fuck that motherfucker! Enjoy the money, asshole.

That's right.  For the kids out there watching tonight's game...I want you to learn from Rocket right there.  It is ALWAYS about the money.  Always.

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« Reply #30 on: May 06, 2007, 05:40:14 pm »
"Let's face it -- these guys [the Yankees] know how to win."   
      -Roger Clemens, today.


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« Reply #31 on: May 06, 2007, 06:13:37 pm »
"Let's face it -- these guys [the Yankees] know how to win."   
      -Roger Clemens, today

Ahum.  Aren't they *not* winning this season and hence why they went out and got Clemens with an offer of 28 million?  I don't get it.

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« Reply #32 on: May 06, 2007, 06:27:20 pm »
Ahum.  Aren't they *not* winning this season and hence why they went out and got Clemens with an offer of 28 million?  I don't get it.

Wait 'til A-Rod gets his nose out of joint about the $28 mil, opts out of his contract and tries to hold the Boss up for $30 mil per.  Fun times in the Big Apple.

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« Reply #33 on: May 06, 2007, 06:36:56 pm »
That's right.  For the kids out there watching tonight's game...I want you to learn from Rocket right there.  It is ALWAYS about the money.  Always.

I thought it was about family.  I mean that's why he was a Blue Jay, right?
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« Reply #34 on: May 06, 2007, 06:42:02 pm »
Can we get a compilation DQ quotes making him look like a total hypocrite?

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« Reply #35 on: May 06, 2007, 07:05:32 pm »
That's right.  For the kids out there watching tonight's game...I want you to learn from Rocket right there.  It is ALWAYS about the money.  Always.

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« Reply #36 on: May 06, 2007, 07:07:38 pm »
JD reports that Purpura received a call from DQ's agents at 1:14PM today. All they said was that Clemens would not be returning to the Astros.
you could hear the disbelief in his voic when he read the announcement. the game just seemed to go nowhere from there. hope rodger dodger and andy p are very happy together
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« Reply #37 on: May 06, 2007, 07:14:31 pm »
Credit to Adam Corrola/Adam Kindler for the term "douche nozzle" that still cracks me up.
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« Reply #38 on: May 06, 2007, 07:20:21 pm »
What I love is that at the press conference the Randy part of Team Bastard said that the Yankmees wanted Roger now, while the Astros and Sawx preferred a late June/early July return, and that Roger was ready to return now.  However, he then states that Roger will be "ramping up" his conditioning and would be ready to pitch in simulated games soon.

So basically, the Yankmees were willing to pay for Roger's extended offseason conditioning while the Astros and Sawx said thanks but no thanks.  Roger, of course, being the mercenary primadonna we've alwasy known him to be (even when he was OUR mercenary primadonna) leapt at the offer.

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« Reply #39 on: May 06, 2007, 07:55:00 pm »
Can we get a compilation DQ quotes making him look like a total hypocrite?

No set of quotes could compare to the reality.

I'm fairly pessimistic about this team's chances of making the playoffs.  If that comes to bear, I may order Extra Innings just to root against the guy.
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« Reply #40 on: May 06, 2007, 08:05:09 pm »
No set of quotes could compare to the reality.

I'm fairly pessimistic about this team's chances of making the playoffs.  If that comes to bear, I may order Extra Innings just to root against the guy.

You won't need to do that.  He'll be on ESPN nearly every start since the Yanks don't have any other worthwhile pitchers.

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« Reply #41 on: May 06, 2007, 09:11:50 pm »
Now he can go back to the big city and join his partner and they can walk off in the sunset together. Grand.

 I'm sure if they combined their incomes they could have a very happy life together. NTTAWWT.
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« Reply #42 on: May 06, 2007, 09:19:38 pm »
What I love is that at the press conference the Randy part of Team Bastard said that the Yankmees wanted Roger now, while the Astros and Sawx preferred a late June/early July return, and that Roger was ready to return now. 

Usually, you tell the other side you're bargaining with the parameters you wish to have met and then let them react.  Team Bastard didn't talk much with the Astros and were never really interested in this team.  Don't let them fool you, the percieved Andy Pettitte snub and then the failed PR disaster when Pettitte opened his mouth afterwards pretty much meant the end of Racket in Houston.

Many of the players knew this offseason that Pettitte and Clemens were going back to the Yankees.  So anything Hendricks is saying is merely for PR sake. IOW - he's lying.

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« Reply #43 on: May 06, 2007, 09:24:00 pm »
Many of the players knew this offseason that Pettitte and Clemens were going back to the Yankees.  So anything Hendricks is saying is merely for PR sake. IOW - he's lying.

Oh yeah I knew that right off the bat.  It was so bad Hendricks couldn't even come close to making it make any sense.  I think Twinkie put it best in the Lackey Rag:

"With this Rocket situation there's two kinds of people: people that are not surprised and morons," Lance Berkman said after the St. Louis Cardinals beat the Astros 3-1 at Busch Stadium. "Where else was he going to go? He wasn't going to come back here. From the moment Pettitte signed with the Yankees, there was 100 percent certainty that that's where he was going."

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« Reply #44 on: May 06, 2007, 09:29:37 pm »
Oh yeah I knew that right off the bat.  It was so bad Hendricks couldn't even come close to making it make any sense.  I think Twinkie put it best in the Lackey Rag:

"With this Rocket situation there's two kinds of people: people that are not surprised and morons," Lance Berkman said after the St. Louis Cardinals beat the Astros 3-1 at Busch Stadium. "Where else was he going to go? He wasn't going to come back here. From the moment Pettitte signed with the Yankees, there was 100 percent certainty that that's where he was going."

Yeah, I read that earlier.  Twinkie needs to learn his cliches, he needs to study them, he needs to know them, they're his friends.  Telling fans they're morons is never in good smell, even if it's true.

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« Reply #45 on: May 06, 2007, 09:39:19 pm »
Oh yeah I knew that right off the bat.  It was so bad Hendricks couldn't even come close to making it make any sense.  I think Twinkie put it best in the Lackey Rag:

"With this Rocket situation there's two kinds of people: people that are not surprised and morons," Lance Berkman said after the St. Louis Cardinals beat the Astros 3-1 at Busch Stadium. "Where else was he going to go? He wasn't going to come back here. From the moment Pettitte signed with the Yankees, there was 100 percent certainty that that's where he was going."

$800,000 per start? Mercy. When money's no object, player selection doesn't have to be rocket science. A good god will keep NY out of the playoffs. Clemens is Albert Schweitzer compared to Beltran. There's your gold standard for assholery.

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« Reply #46 on: May 06, 2007, 09:39:50 pm »
Oh yeah I knew that right off the bat.  It was so bad Hendricks couldn't even come close to making it make any sense.  I think Twinkie put it best in the Lackey Rag:

"With this Rocket situation there's two kinds of people: people that are not surprised and morons," Lance Berkman said after the St. Louis Cardinals beat the Astros 3-1 at Busch Stadium. "Where else was he going to go? He wasn't going to come back here. From the moment Pettitte signed with the Yankees, there was 100 percent certainty that that's where he was going."

Berkman even said Andy Pettitte was going to sign with the Yankees (and later backed off of it because he let the cat out of the bag) waaaaay before it was common knowledge.  It was no surprise that Andy came back from a banquet in New York honoring Joe Torre in October already making plans to return.  He held off the Houston Astros by way of his agents, but the Astros got word from some folks that allowed them to make plans to be without Andy.  All that stuff that happened with the Jon Garland trade and all was the fact that the Astros already knew... and then the Pettitte tried to spin that into some sort of snub.  It was the height of dishonesty on their part, especially Andy, who calls himself  man of honor and high morals.  Clemens was already making plans soon after Andy returned as well.

So what Lance Berkman is telling you is the truth (at least he's not afraid to say it, good for him).  Those two were gone last year, this was just all posturing to try and make both of themselves something that neither is.  One is an ego, the other is a fraud.

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« Reply #47 on: May 06, 2007, 09:42:22 pm »
One is an ego, the other is a fraud.

I can't believe I have to ask, but...which one is which?

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« Reply #48 on: May 06, 2007, 09:43:26 pm »
I can't believe I have to ask, but...which one is which?

For all his faults, Clemens doesn't hide the fact he's a jerk.  He has a healthy ego, far greater than any mortal man should have.

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« Reply #49 on: May 06, 2007, 10:11:12 pm »
So what happens to the personal services contract?
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« Reply #50 on: May 06, 2007, 10:32:10 pm »
So what happens to the personal services contract?

I guess a lot will depend upon how well the marketing of the DQ will be at the end of the season.  The fans may not buy into this, but the players at pitching camp? He still has that 7 cy awards which is mighty impressive to young pitcher.  I personally would quitely fire him tomorrow morning.

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« Reply #51 on: May 06, 2007, 10:49:38 pm »
I guess a lot will depend upon how well the marketing of the DQ will be at the end of the season.  The fans may not buy into this, but the players at pitching camp? He still has that 7 cy awards which is mighty impressive to young pitcher.  I personally would quitely fire him tomorrow morning.

The agreement is a personal services contract. I don't think it's that simple.

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« Reply #52 on: May 07, 2007, 12:19:08 am »
So any word when The Rocket is going to frost his hair tips again.. I want to be able to tune in to the ESPN coverage of that.
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« Reply #53 on: May 07, 2007, 01:56:18 am »
Seriously. Fuck Clemens. I've heard a few behind the scenes stories, and all of them are bad from his end. I'm embarrassed that he was ever an Astro. Time to go Bad News Bears on it. Maybe no playoffs, but who knows. Regardless, I feel cleaner.

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« Reply #54 on: May 07, 2007, 08:32:33 am »
Seriously. Fuck Clemens. I've heard a few behind the scenes stories, and all of them are bad from his end. I'm embarrassed that he was ever an Astro. Time to go Bad News Bears on it. Maybe no playoffs, but who knows. Regardless, I feel cleaner.

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« Reply #55 on: May 07, 2007, 08:56:43 am »
Eh- I knew this was going to happen.  You lie in bed with a dog and you get fleas- everyone knew this was coming.


Roger was like the smoking hot, ridiculously good in bed chick that is totally and completely crazy- you are in it and loving it but you know it ain't going to end well.

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« Reply #56 on: May 07, 2007, 09:17:27 am »
That's right.  For the kids out there watching tonight's game...I want you to learn from Rocket right there.  It is ALWAYS about the money.  Always.

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« Reply #57 on: May 07, 2007, 09:28:49 am »
Dear Hendricks Brothers:

Spin is understandable.  Spin happens.  Spin is a necessary evil these days.

But for god's sake, do NOT try to spin to me, a knowledgable baseball fan, that the reason the Red Sox and Astros lost out is BECAUSE THEY DID NOT WANT HIM TO PITCH AS SOON AS THE YANKEES DID.

Seriously - you're not just insulting my intelligence with this garbage, you're insulting the intelligence of single-celled parimecium (i.e., Yankee fans).
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« Reply #58 on: May 07, 2007, 09:45:04 am »
tell us a few. i am in a mood to believe them.


The one that a friend told was of him being knocked down in somewhat of a crowd. He was a young teenager at the time, didn't know what happened, he looks up and Clemens briefly stares at him before walking off without saying a word. Sounds like a scene from a movie, but with Clemens, who knows. Another was something about his number being retired at UT. From what I remember he wanted his name to be the only one that's retired at UT despite not even being the best player on the team at that time. I'm not sure about the details on that one. Lastly, a good friend who worked in sports for a few years has said that his reputation is basically deserved from people that had to deal with him personally. And so it goes.

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« Reply #59 on: May 07, 2007, 09:58:10 am »

The one that a friend told was of him being knocked down in somewhat of a crowd. He was a young teenager at the time, didn't know what happened, he looks up and Clemens briefly stares at him before walking off without saying a word. Sounds like a scene from a movie, but with Clemens, who knows. Another was something about his number being retired at UT. From what I remember he wanted his name to be the only one that's retired at UT despite not even being the best player on the team at that time. I'm not sure about the details on that one. Lastly, a good friend who worked in sports for a few years has said that his reputation is basically deserved from people that had to deal with him personally. And so it goes.

ah, old news. the number retired deal i heard from Gideon, but that was eons ago.
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« Reply #60 on: May 07, 2007, 09:59:59 am »

"I put it to Roger: Look, you're either going to get ready to play now with the Yankees, or you're going to have to delay it for another month. Which is it?' '' Hendricks said. "He's Roger Clemens. From my point of view, when he says he's ready to play, teams should listen.''


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« Reply #61 on: May 07, 2007, 10:13:39 am »
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Clemens, who signed a minor league contract to make it all legal, will go on the major league payroll when he makes his first start, which the Yankees expect to be June 1. That would give him 122 days in the majors, two-thirds of the season, which will translate into actual pay of $18,666,666.

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« Reply #62 on: May 07, 2007, 10:20:21 am »
Where did ESPN get the $28 million?
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« Reply #63 on: May 07, 2007, 10:24:05 am »
Where did ESPN get the $28 million?

He's not playing the entire season.  It's 28 mil prorated over 3/4s give or take of the season?  Same sort of deal with the Astros last year.
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« Reply #64 on: May 07, 2007, 10:25:25 am »
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« Reply #65 on: May 07, 2007, 10:49:39 am »
I'm kinda surprised that this story is getting this much of a reaction here. It was clear through the offseason that the Astros front office had moved on and I think everyone here has moved on too. Frankly watching Nieve, Wandy, Albers and Sampson from
ST up to this point in this season has been far more interesting than watching Team Bastard's same old story line this year. I feel like the Astros, and the majority of sincerely interested fans, have invested in the current pitching staff as it is. The Astros have enough pitchers who want to play for them without wasting their money, and our time, on these clowns. Mercifully this chapter has finally come to a close.

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« Reply #66 on: May 07, 2007, 10:57:50 am »
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Truth is, beyond the New York-Boston-Houston axis, the news of Clemens' return will be greeted with something less than breathless anticipation. A healthy segment of the baseball world has grown tired of Clemens' annual agonizing over his destination and considers the routine self-indulgent in a Brett Favre-esque kind of way.

"The story gets a little old," said a National League executive who pronounced himself "underwhelmed" by the news.

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« Reply #67 on: May 07, 2007, 11:10:54 am »
I'm kinda surprised that this story is getting this much of a reaction here.

I think what is the real reaction is the *way* these guys have left the team.  I think if you want to go to the Yankees because that is where your heart is, then go.  No hard feelings, no reason to worry about your reputation.  But that is *NOT* the way both Andy Pettitte nor Roger Clemens decided was the best way to leave.  Instead, they both left and shot some vieled remarks back at the Houston organization.

Why?

I'm not sure.  But when I hear the stuff that comes out of their agents to spin this as a couple of really good guys who just were not loved enough here, I want to puke.  Come on, you're a free agent... that means you are *free* to choose.  But that does not mean you're free to act like a freaking prima donna martyr who was pushed out the door by the Houston Astros organization.  No one is buying the crap spewed by either Pettitte nor Clemens, they were Yankees as of October of last season.  Why do both of them think they need Astros fans, the Houston media and everyone else to think that these mercenaries were forced into leaving.

Just leave already and please, by all means, fade into the sunset already and let us cheer those who deserve our applause for being at the very most honest with the fans.
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« Reply #68 on: May 07, 2007, 11:46:34 am »
I am waiting for the story that DQ is shocked by the backlash from the Houston fans.  Personally, I could give a shit.  He was an asshole before he became a stro and nothing has changed. 

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« Reply #69 on: May 07, 2007, 11:47:38 am »
tell us a few. i am in a mood to believe them.

Here's one for you. In late November 2005, a friend of mine was at the Kroger near her parents place. It was about ten o'clock at night and she (a cute just out of college girl) was in the produce section picking up some granny smiths. She hears a voice behind say "nice apples." (I shit you not, that's what he said.) She turns around to see Roger Clemens, who she recognizes despite not being much of a sportsfan. She says "oh, you're Roger Clemens! My boyfriend says that you had a really good year."

"Oh yeah?" he pouted. "Well, not many people around here seem to think so." And then he walked off in a huff.
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« Reply #70 on: May 07, 2007, 12:31:17 pm »
He's not playing the entire season.  It's 28 mil prorated over 3/4s give or take of the season?  Same sort of deal with the Astros last year.

A cynic might suggest that Clemens and his tag-team agents wanted it announced that way - as $28mil rather than the discounted actual number - because the full figure tops the existing high of $27mil which is the current rate of the contract of one Sir Alex of Rodrigia. 
Nothing like a little one-upmanship to cap off your day.


P.S. - speaking of over-the-top, do yourselves a collective favor and avoid hearing the in-game radio call of Roger's 7th inning appearance and announcement.

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« Reply #71 on: May 07, 2007, 12:42:54 pm »
A cynic might suggest that Clemens and his tag-team agents wanted it announced that way - as $28mil rather than the discounted actual number - because the full figure tops the existing high of $27mil which is the current rate of the contract of one Sir Alex of Rodrigia. 
Nothing like a little one-upmanship to cap off your day.


Or it  could be that it's announced that way because that's the way MLB calculates such things and reports all contracts, even pro-rated or split ones, as if they are earned for a full Major league season.
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« Reply #72 on: May 07, 2007, 12:46:02 pm »

Or it  could be that it's announced that way because that's the way MLB calculates such things and reports all contracts, even pro-rated or split ones, as if they are earned for a full Major league season.

Yes.  For tax purposes.  Even multi-year contracts are averaged out for the taxation purpose.  For example, Roy Oswalt may make 8 million the first year of a multi-year contract, but if the average of his contract is a 12 million a year contract, then the Astros are taxed for 12 million dollars for Oswalt, not the actual 8 million they are paying him.

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« Reply #73 on: May 07, 2007, 02:17:48 pm »
Yes.  For tax purposes.  Even multi-year contracts are averaged out for the taxation purpose.  For example, Roy Oswalt may make 8 million the first year of a multi-year contract, but if the average of his contract is a 12 million a year contract, then the Astros are taxed for 12 million dollars for Oswalt, not the actual 8 million they are paying him.


Not exactly.  Salary is accounted for in the year it is earned, not when it is paid, but only the salary actually earned by the player in that year gets figured into that year's accounting.  So if Roy earns $8 million this year and $12 million in 2008, it shows that way on the books, it doesn't average out to $10 million per year.  You may be thinking of bonuses though, as those *do* get averaged across the guaranteed years of a contract.  So if Roy got a $4 million bonus and earns $8 million one year and $12 million the next, it gets accounted for as $10 million and $14 million, respectively, regardless of when the bonus was actually paid.
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« Reply #74 on: May 07, 2007, 02:24:22 pm »

Not exactly.  Salary is accounted for in the year it is earned, not when it is paid, but only the salary actually earned by the player in that year gets figured into that year's accounting.  So if Roy earns $8 million this year and $12 million in 2008, it shows that way on the books, it doesn't average out to $10 million per year.  You may be thinking of bonuses though, as those *do* get averaged across the guaranteed years of a contract.  So if Roy got a $4 million bonus and earns $8 million one year and $12 million the next, it gets accounted for as $10 million and $14 million, respectively, regardless of when the bonus was actually paid.

Are we talking about federal income tax purposes of MLB luxury tax purposes?
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« Reply #75 on: May 07, 2007, 02:39:44 pm »
Speaking of taxes, don't forget the luxury tax aspect of this- as Clemens is fond of saying, "make no mistake"- the Yankees are paying an obscene amount to get him.
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« Reply #76 on: May 07, 2007, 02:47:01 pm »
Also, regarding the bullshit about the Astros and Red Sox not wanting Roger back until later, the same article states:
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http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2007/05/07/bronx_bombshell/?page=2
Sounds like, basically, the Red Sox had one conversation about contract terms with Hendricks, and were under the impression that he would come back about the same date as last year, then the next thing they heard from Clemens' camp was the same curt "Roger will be signing elsewhere". "Oh, ok, where?" <dialtone>
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« Reply #77 on: May 07, 2007, 02:47:25 pm »
Speaking of taxes, don't forget the luxury tax aspect of this- as Clemens is fond of saying, "make no mistake"- the Yankees are paying an obscene amount to get him.
http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2007/05/07/bronx_bombshell/

But Rog has to pay State Income Tax.  I still think Drayton had no intentions of matching the $$$$$$$ the yankmees were offering (and rightfully so IMHO).

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« Reply #78 on: May 07, 2007, 02:48:18 pm »
If he lives in NYC, he has to pay a city income tax also.
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« Reply #79 on: May 07, 2007, 02:48:59 pm »

Not exactly.  Salary is accounted for in the year it is earned, not when it is paid, but only the salary actually earned by the player in that year gets figured into that year's accounting.  So if Roy earns $8 million this year and $12 million in 2008, it shows that way on the books, it doesn't average out to $10 million per year.  You may be thinking of bonuses though, as those *do* get averaged across the guaranteed years of a contract.  So if Roy got a $4 million bonus and earns $8 million one year and $12 million the next, it gets accounted for as $10 million and $14 million, respectively, regardless of when the bonus was actually paid.

I don't remember where I read it, but I remember that the MLB offices for their own taxation reasons count the average of the contract against the team payroll.  So Roy's contract if it is 8 millio *year one* and 12 million *year two*, is worth 10 million the books to the MLB for their own payroll tax purposes.

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« Reply #80 on: May 07, 2007, 02:49:29 pm »
Are we talking about federal income tax purposes of MLB luxury tax purposes?

MLB accounting only.

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« Reply #81 on: May 07, 2007, 02:51:21 pm »
MLB accounting only.

Just curious, how do ya'll know the MLB accounting practices, since their books are closed to the public?

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« Reply #82 on: May 07, 2007, 02:52:08 pm »
Also, regarding the bullshit about the Astros and Red Sox not wanting Roger back until later, the same article states:http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2007/05/07/bronx_bombshell/?page=2
Sounds like, basically, the Red Sox had one conversation about contract terms with Hendricks, and were under the impression that he would come back about the same date as last year, then the next thing they heard from Clemens' camp was the same curt "Roger will be signing elsewhere". "Oh, ok, where?" <dialtone>

The Astros were asked what they'd like to do, they said the same thing they did last year because it worked and because Clemens is actually getting older, not younger.  They never knew that Hendricks intended to make it a deal breaker, something the Astros were not told would indeed be a negative for Clemens.  It was Clemens and Hendricks who told the Astros that he had no desire to make up his mind sooner than May 15th, which is not the date on the calendar yesterday.  So this was a ploy all the way around.

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« Reply #83 on: May 07, 2007, 02:57:27 pm »
Just curious, how do ya'll know the MLB accounting practices, since their books are closed to the public?

The CBA negotiations previous the one concluded had all sorts of articles popping up about the accounting practices of the MLB.   Especially how luxury taxation would be handled, which was to kick in for all clubs circa 2004 if I remember correctly.  After two years of taxations, the MLBPA would have the right to renegotiate the CBA and in doing so, ask that the taxation practice be ammended.  It wasn't.  The concern by the MLBPA was that the luxury tax would hinder the free agent spending sprees of yesterday.  It never happened that way, so the MLBPA just said "carry on!".  IOW - George Steinbrenner never stopped spending as he treatened to do, and a good bunch of other owners jumped in head first with him on the splurge.

And it's not about the opened books, it is about the accounting practice by the MLB.

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« Reply #84 on: May 07, 2007, 03:08:55 pm »
The CBA negotiations previous the one concluded had all sorts of articles popping up about the accounting practices of the MLB.   Especially how luxury taxation would be handled, which was to kick in for all clubs circa 2004 if I remember correctly.  After two years of taxations, the MLBPA would have the right to renegotiate the CBA and in doing so, ask that the taxation practice be ammended.  It wasn't.  The concern by the MLBPA was that the luxury tax would hinder the free agent spending sprees of yesterday.  It never happened that way, so the MLBPA just said "carry on!".  IOW - George Steinbrenner never stopped spending as he treatened to do, and a good bunch of other owners jumped in head first with him on the splurge.

And it's not about the opened books, it is about the accounting practice by the MLB.

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« Reply #85 on: May 07, 2007, 03:28:07 pm »
I don't remember where I read it, but I remember that the MLB offices for their own taxation reasons count the average of the contract against the team payroll.  So Roy's contract if it is 8 millio *year one* and 12 million *year two*, is worth 10 million the books to the MLB for their own payroll tax purposes.


I don't think that's right, I'm pretty sure payroll tax is figured on the salary owed to the players in the year they're obligated to perform.  But I'll verify tonight.
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« Reply #86 on: May 07, 2007, 03:32:25 pm »
Just curious, how do ya'll know the MLB accounting practices, since their books are closed to the public?


As Noe points out...this is about accounting principles outlined in the CBA, not about "open books".  Plus, some of us know people who know.
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« Reply #87 on: May 07, 2007, 04:32:39 pm »
Yup, the CBA's "luxury tax" is laid out in pretty dry language online. I did a research paper on its effectiveness in 2005 (came to the conclusion that it's not, really -- the rich clubs didn't care much, and the "poor" ones aren't really using the distributions to improve their teams... talent is bleeding up the payscale). The guidance is an interesting read, especially the "Blue Ribbon Panel"'s take on it... if you like that kind of thing.
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« Reply #88 on: May 07, 2007, 07:51:07 pm »
MLB definitely uses the avg/yr for the purpose of figuring the lux-tax, probably as a hedge against avoidance due to creative accounting. 

As far as it being called a $28mil contract even though he'll never get that figure, I doubt there's any MLB rule which requires them to announce it that way and, while I don't know that they chose that figure so as to make it known that it was the highest per/annum deal ever, there's so much bullshit being slung up here that it wouldn't surprise me if that were their angle.

Roger, btw, was asked twice in the first hour or so if the deal included the provision where he could opt out of travelling on trips where he's not on the sked to pitch.  The first time he avoided the question and didn't give an answer.  The 2nd time he answered; "I have no idea", adding that he hadn't yet read the contract.

Like I said, it's flyin' pretty thick these days.

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« Reply #89 on: May 07, 2007, 08:10:51 pm »
Roger, btw, was asked twice in the first hour or so if the deal included the provision where he could opt out of travelling on trips where he's not on the sked to pitch.  The first time he avoided the question and didn't give an answer.  The 2nd time he answered; "I have no idea", adding that he hadn't yet read the contract.


A lot is made of this, but I'm not really sure how often Clemens skipped road trips with the Astros.  I don't think it was often.
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« Reply #90 on: May 07, 2007, 08:14:02 pm »
MLB definitely uses the avg/yr for the purpose of figuring the lux-tax, probably as a hedge against avoidance due to creative accounting. 


BTW, I checked with my accountant, and you and Noe are correct in that this is the way it's used for the internal luxury tax, though payroll tax and other IRS related stuff is different.  So there you have it...clear as mud.
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« Reply #91 on: May 07, 2007, 11:40:50 pm »
A lot is made of this, but I'm not really sure how often Clemens skipped road trips with the Astros.  I don't think it was often.

And who knows how often he'll use it this year. 

But the ability to do so - at least according to Brian Cashman - was a non-negotiable request and the Yanks refusal to grant him one during last year's dance killed his chances of a Bronx return last season.  The Yankees claimed all last year and most of this one that they don't make those kind of consessions for anyone ... right up until giving Roger full permission to travel whenever he wants.

All of which just goes into making his claimed ignorance of such a clause laughable.  I'm sure what he was trying to do was sidestep the facts so they didn't get in the way of spinning tales about beloved pinstripes, playing with Jeter & Mariano, tradition, wanting to be here to win and work with young players, yadda yadda yadda.

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« Reply #92 on: May 08, 2007, 07:53:16 am »
i wasnt surprised

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« Reply #93 on: May 08, 2007, 02:18:48 pm »
So, in conclusion: The Yankees, desperate.  Clemens, the biggest whore in MLB history.  He has established a record that truly may never be broken.

But In the end, one certainly can't blame Clemens for taking the deal.  If you're going to be whore, might as well be the best at what you do.



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« Reply #94 on: May 08, 2007, 02:29:54 pm »
So, in conclusion: The Yankees, desperate.  Clemens, the biggest whore in MLB history.  He has established a record that truly may never be broken.

But In the end, one certainly can't blame Clemens for taking the deal.  If you're going to be whore, might as well be the best at what you do.
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« Reply #95 on: May 08, 2007, 03:19:04 pm »
"My innermost thoughts and feelings that I'm keeping close to my heart, when it's all said and done at the end of the year, I'll tell you the exact reasons why I did what I did." Link

That should buy him some time.

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« Reply #96 on: May 08, 2007, 03:22:45 pm »
"My innermost thoughts and feelings that I'm keeping close to my heart, when it's all said and done at the end of the year, I'll tell you the exact reasons why I did what I did." Link

That should buy him some time.

this says it all: "i wish there were three of me."

i shall await breathlessly for his innermost thoughts.
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« Reply #97 on: May 08, 2007, 03:24:17 pm »


i shall await breathlessly for his innermost thoughts.


Thanks, Jim.  I actually laughed out loud on that one.
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« Reply #98 on: May 08, 2007, 03:25:03 pm »
this says it all: "i wish there were three of me."

Well, now we know DQ digs the menage a trois.
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Well, now we know DQ digs the menage a trois.

Nah, the menage a MOI.
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"My innermost thoughts and feelings that I'm keeping close to my heart, when it's all said and done at the end of the year, I'll tell you the exact reasons why I did what I did." Link

That should buy him some time.

I thought Randy Hendricks already said his inner most reasons?  WTF?!?!?

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« Reply #102 on: May 08, 2007, 03:34:47 pm »
I thought Randy Hendricks already said his inner most reasons?  WTF?!?!?

Don't tell anyone, he is in love with himself.

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« Reply #103 on: May 08, 2007, 03:36:53 pm »
Don't tell anyone, he is in love with himself.

Very few things are more obvious.
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« Reply #104 on: May 08, 2007, 03:38:49 pm »
Well, now we know DQ digs the menage a trois.

I think everyone has been telling him to fuck himself for years.  I was going to write a little something about how the Yankee fans/media called him a traitor when he came to Houston, but what's the point? I found this article written 7 years ago.  You hate Roger? Get in line.
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Don't tell anyone, he is in love with himself.

You know, when he pitched for the Houston Astros and asked for the perks, not many folks reacted vehemently as they are now about "disrespect" or "thinking himself bigger than the game" on Clemen's part.  Why?  Well, I'm not entirely sure why Maddux or Wells or many others would question Roger's motives beyond this: there is no "family" angle to play for this one any more.  It is about Roger for Roger and only Roger (hey, there is your three: me, myself and I!).  And the entire landscape of the MLB is now pretty sure it's this and Roger has no more family to hide behind.  At least in Houston, everyone was quite sure Clemens was hanging out in his backyard tossing the baseball around with the kiddos, so no questions asked.  But now?

When Phil Garner goes on national radio and says "We all realized Roger was off on certain days to be with his family, but when we would turn on the television and he was at some golf tournament instead... well, it made you wonder".
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« Reply #106 on: May 08, 2007, 03:41:43 pm »
Don't tell anyone, he is in love with himself.

I love myself
I don't want you to love me
When I'm feelin' down
I want me above me
I search myself
I want me to find me
I forget myself
I want me to remind me


I don't want anybody else
When I think about me
I touch myself
I don't want anybody else
Oh no, oh no, oh no

I'm the one who makes me happy
I'm the sun who makes me shine
When I'm around I'm always laughing
I want to make me mine

I close my eyes
And see me before me
Think I would die
If I were to ignore me
A fool could see
Just how much I adore me
I get down on my knees
I'd do anything for me

I don't want anybody else
When I think about me
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I don't want anybody else
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« Reply #107 on: May 08, 2007, 03:45:45 pm »
I think everyone has been telling him to fuck himself for years. 

Nicely done.

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Say what you will about Simmons, but I've never seen anyone write better about Boston sports.
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« Reply #108 on: May 08, 2007, 03:55:09 pm »
Very few things are more obvious.

I should have used the [/obvious statement] emoticon.

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« Reply #109 on: May 08, 2007, 03:56:22 pm »
Say what you will about Simmons, but I've never seen anyone write better about Boston sports.

His current article quotes an email from a reader,

"This is historic … who ever heard of a rat jumping ON a sinking ship?"  link

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I preferred this one, same link:

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« Reply #111 on: May 08, 2007, 04:33:02 pm »
Well, now we know DQ digs the menage a trois.

He is kinda like the baseball version of Ray McKigney, the hand model in the "Puffy Shirt" episode of Seinfeld.


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He was not.. master of his domain.

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« Reply #112 on: May 08, 2007, 04:39:01 pm »
Nicely done.

Say what you will about Simmons, but I've never seen anyone write better about Boston sports.

yeah, but that's quite a large part of his problem.  he suffers from the same delusion as most from the NE, and assumes that EVERYONE gives a crap about Boston sports.
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« Reply #113 on: May 08, 2007, 05:09:03 pm »
yeah, but that's quite a large part of his problem.  he suffers from the same delusion as most from the NE, and assumes that EVERYONE gives a crap about Boston sports.
Personally I hate the Red Sox way more than I hate the Yankees.  After they won the WS, there was an insufferable amount of Red Sox bandwagon fans wearing those stupid hats, acting like they've cheered the team the whole way.  NY may have its bandwagon fans, but they are always around... and to an extent, more "loyal" bandwagon fans.  You'll see a Yankee hat anywhere you go.  And the Red Sox tried to play up this lovable idiots thing.. when it should have just been idiots with people like Schilling headlining.  And then you have people like Simmons and Gammons (aka. Red Sox reporter extraordinaire) all over ESPN.

I think a lot of people cheer Boston just because they are the rivals of the NYY.  But fuck the Red Sox, they are just as big a problem.. they are the only two teams to ever pay the luxury tax.  Not to mention they'd probably have a higher payroll if they didn't suck at spending money (i.e. losing out on A-Rod and losing Damon).. and that Dice-K negotiating money isn't even factored in.  In summary, fuck the Red Sox.  I prefer to see the  Yankees kicking their ass and having the collective city of Boston whine like bitches about it like they always do.
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« Reply #114 on: May 08, 2007, 05:10:41 pm »
I think everyone has been telling him to fuck himself for years.  I was going to write a little something about how the Yankee fans/media called him a traitor when he came to Houston, but what's the point? I found this article written 7 years ago.  You hate Roger? Get in line.

Interesting account. Ironic though that of the Bosox players he offers in contrast to Clemens (Pedro and Nomar) all have since left as well.
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« Reply #115 on: May 08, 2007, 05:13:31 pm »
Interesting account. Ironic though that of the Bosox players he offers in contrast to Clemens (Pedro, Nomar and Mike Piazza) all have since left as well.

Nomar didn't leave. He was traded away 3 months before the RedSox won the world series.
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« Reply #116 on: May 08, 2007, 07:28:58 pm »
This is 2nd hand, but a buddy said they had a clip of Roger on the news, pretty much calling out some of his former teammates:  "Can't believe what they were saying."  "Need to look in the mirror."  "They know who they are."  That kind of shit. 

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« Reply #117 on: May 08, 2007, 09:47:23 pm »
This is 2nd hand, but a buddy said they had a clip of Roger on the news, pretty much calling out some of his former teammates:  "Can't believe what they were saying."  "Need to look in the mirror."  "They know who they are."  That kind of shit. 

They don't kiss your ass & you get all miffed.  What a big man you are, Roger.

He's a useless shit and a waste of a human being.  But I enjoyed watching him pitch.  But the enjoyment is over, much like a whore, he can go away now.  Look in the mirror, that's fucking hilarious.  Anyone who can manage four cities calling him a traitor has something going on.

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« Reply #118 on: May 08, 2007, 10:23:40 pm »
This is 2nd hand, but a buddy said they had a clip of Roger on the news, pretty much calling out some of his former teammates:  "Can't believe what they were saying."  "Need to look in the mirror."  "They know who they are."  That kind of shit. 

They don't kiss your ass & you get all miffed.  What a big man you are, Roger.

He's mad at the Phil Garner quote on the Mike and Mike show this morning where Scraps said that the team understood that Clemens earned the right to take days off to be with his family because that is what he was going to do if he retired any way.  But when some players turned on the television, they saw him at a golf tournament in California instead of with his family.  It rubbed the team the wrong way.

Clemens claims he never played in a gold tournament during any of his leaves of absence from the team.  He is shocked any teammate would say that about him though.  Looks like he can't believe that he actually rubbed some teammates the wrong way with his prima donna act.

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« Reply #119 on: May 08, 2007, 10:50:55 pm »
I flipped over to the Rangers broadcast (@NYY) tonight between innings in our game, and happened to catch Tom Grieve going on about how he's pretty much lost all respect for Clemens after this latest fiasco.  He kind of kept going on and on about it.  Josh Lewin didn't really add much to the conversation, probably because he is a little squeaky vagina and is scared Clemens would come after him.

Anyway, the general consensus seems to be that outside of the Bronx, people are pretty damn sick of DQ and his act.

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« Reply #120 on: May 08, 2007, 10:58:59 pm »
He's mad at the Phil Garner quote on the Mike and Mike show this morning where Scraps said that the team understood that Clemens earned the right to take days off to be with his family because that is what he was going to do if he retired any way.  But when some players turned on the television, they saw him at a golf tournament in California instead of with his family.  It rubbed the team the wrong way.

Clemens claims he never played in a gold tournament during any of his leaves of absence from the team.  He is shocked any teammate would say that about him though.  Looks like he can't believe that he actually rubbed some teammates the wrong way with his prima donna act.

Would love to see the Chronicle do some actual research and find out where Clemns was each day he was away from his team.  If he was at other functions it wouldn't be too hard to find out.
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« Reply #121 on: May 08, 2007, 10:59:57 pm »
I flipped over to the Rangers broadcast (@NYY) tonight between innings in our game, and happened to catch Tom Grieve going on about how he's pretty much lost all respect for Clemens after this latest fiasco.  He kind of kept going on and on about it.  Josh Lewin didn't really add much to the conversation, probably because he is a little squeaky vagina and is scared Clemens would come after him.

Anyway, the general consensus seems to be that outside of the Bronx, people are pretty damn sick of DQ and his act.

What is Grieve's problem?
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« Reply #122 on: May 08, 2007, 11:00:17 pm »
I wouldn't hold my breath, pravata is a better reporter than a lot of the guys at the chronicle.   
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« Reply #123 on: May 08, 2007, 11:03:59 pm »
I flipped over to the Rangers broadcast (@NYY) tonight between innings in our game, and happened to catch Tom Grieve going on about how he's pretty much lost all respect for Clemens after this latest fiasco.  He kind of kept going on and on about it.  Josh Lewin didn't really add much to the conversation, probably because he is a little squeaky vagina and is scared Clemens would come after him.

Anyway, the general consensus seems to be that outside of the Bronx, people are pretty damn sick of DQ and his act.

The general consensus was that while he was in Houston, it was somewhat tolerable because it seemed a little plausible that it was a concession made for good purposes.  I mean, it's his family time and lived 20 minutes from the field on the days he was needed and of course he could travel if they needed him, blah, blah, blah.  Now when you consider that Clemens acted like an ass when asked directly about the concessions made by the Yankees ("I don't know, I haven't read the contract... I don't know anything")... riiiiiight, *wink, wink*, and that he is very far away from his family and it is now about being able to  call his shots at will and teams are supposed to jump at his command, even the once admired Yankees who last year said they wouldn't give into demands for special treatment and all.... well... it is a far cry from his Houston barely tolerable situation.  Now, it's about thinking your bigger than the game.

And that is when the entire MLB community takes issue with you. And somehow Roger didn't think anyone would care?  Very bad misjudgement about your own self worth in others eyes there, Team Racket!  Nice going, idiots.

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« Reply #124 on: May 08, 2007, 11:09:18 pm »
What is Grieve's problem?

He played the game and still loves it.  No man should ever be bigger than the game.  Clemens is coming close to shattering that for everyone and I'm sure any more of this sort of drama crap by Clemens and demands for special treatment, and more will jump aboard.

Clemens wants to sign with a team?  Fine, do it during the winter meetings and report to spring training.  And no more special concessions, you report to the game with the other 24 guys from now on.  The ruse of "family" is gone.

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« Reply #125 on: May 09, 2007, 06:28:55 am »
Thanks Noe, your 2 posts actually summed up perfectly what Grieve was saying.

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« Reply #126 on: May 09, 2007, 07:55:50 am »
He played the game and still loves it.  No man should ever be bigger than the game.  Clemens is coming close to shattering that for everyone and I'm sure any more of this sort of drama crap by Clemens and demands for special treatment, and more will jump aboard.

Clemens wants to sign with a team?  Fine, do it during the winter meetings and report to spring training.  And no more special concessions, you report to the game with the other 24 guys from now on.  The ruse of "family" is gone.

there are some indications coming from Houston that the Astros clubhouse collectively is very pissed at Clemens.
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« Reply #127 on: May 09, 2007, 08:46:33 am »
He's mad at the Phil Garner quote on the Mike and Mike show this morning where Scraps said that the team understood that Clemens earned the right to take days off to be with his family because that is what he was going to do if he retired any way.  But when some players turned on the television, they saw him at a golf tournament in California instead of with his family.  It rubbed the team the wrong way.

Clemens claims he never played in a gold tournament during any of his leaves of absence from the team.  He is shocked any teammate would say that about him though.  Looks like he can't believe that he actually rubbed some teammates the wrong way with his prima donna act.

I thought I heard last night that he said "I never played in a golf tournament in California during one of my leaves."

I might have just imagined that, though.
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« Reply #128 on: May 09, 2007, 09:14:06 am »

Seriously, how great would it be to have the Yankees tank it from here on out...forcing columnists all over the country to write articles which suggest or drop rumors that Clemens should or WILL be traded back to Houston in an effort to let him play on a competitive-playoff bound team.  A smile, that would put on my face.

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« Reply #129 on: May 09, 2007, 09:17:33 am »
Fu<k Roger Clemson!
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« Reply #130 on: May 09, 2007, 09:34:19 am »
My wish for Mother's Day is that everyone stop talking about DQ.

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« Reply #131 on: May 09, 2007, 09:38:02 am »
there are some indications coming from Houston that the Astros clubhouse collectively is very pissed at Clemens.

Clemens has, I'm guessing, one bad start he can make before the Yankee clubhouse collectively is very pissed at him.
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« Reply #132 on: May 09, 2007, 09:45:41 am »
My wish for Mother's Day is that everyone stop talking about DQ.

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« Reply #133 on: May 09, 2007, 09:48:32 am »
Or at least containing it to one thread.

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« Reply #134 on: May 09, 2007, 09:49:03 am »
Jason Hirsh piles on:

http://www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_5850201

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For his part, Hirsh, the Astros' former top kid on the farm, was disappointed Clemens didn't take a more active role in his career.

"I had hoped that he would be kind of a mentor. But when I got there, and I don't want to talk bad about him, he was pretty much nonexistent in terms of his presence in the clubhouse," Hirsh said. "You like to believe that nobody is above the game, and the kind of stuff he's granted, it almost seems like he is. But he earned that leeway, and clearly what he did away from the ballpark was beneficial on the days he pitched."

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« Reply #135 on: May 09, 2007, 09:53:50 am »
Jason Hirsh piles on:

http://www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_5850201



I'd like to agree with anything anyone says bad about Clemens, but Hirsh needs to concentrate as hard as he possibly can on his own behavior.  Showing up late on the day you're going to pitch doesn't give you much leeway to talk about someone else.

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« Reply #136 on: May 09, 2007, 10:06:57 am »
there are some indications coming from Houston that the Astros clubhouse collectively is very pissed at Clemens.

Yes, heard the same.  For the reasons listed above.

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« Reply #138 on: May 09, 2007, 10:11:06 am »
Yes, heard the same.  For the reasons listed above.

"Pissed at Clemens" or just "tired of the DQ circus surrounding Clemens"?
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« Reply #139 on: May 09, 2007, 10:13:36 am »
"Pissed at Clemens" or just "tired of the DQ circus surrounding Clemens"?

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« Reply #140 on: May 09, 2007, 10:14:09 am »
I'd like to agree with anything anyone says bad about Clemens, but Hirsh needs to concentrate as hard as he possibly can on his own behavior.  Showing up late on the day you're going to pitch doesn't give you much leeway to talk about someone else.

Yeah, and he got the message loud and clear from Biggio that you "don't disrespect the game.  Someone had to leave to make room for you, treat it with respect."  So who is telling that to Clemens?  The whole entire freaking MLB landscape is, that is who.  He retired and then came out of retirement and said he would pitch for his hometown and had concessions made so he could "be with my family".  That is tolerated, because all these guys understand "family".  Most of them have a lot to thank their family for because the life of a major leaguer takes a toll on the family.  Only the really strong survive.  Whenever one of these guys goes home and realizes that the missus is holding down the fort while they go out and play a child's game (and make a lot of money doing it too), they *understand* Clemens.

But the landscape has changed and "family" isn't as clear any more to anyone who plays the game.  In fact, now it seems that it is about Clemens wanting to prove he can and will make any team... including the Yankees, the team that is supposed to be the mecca for Pride and Honor for all these guys... that team right there... Clemens will make bow down to him because... well... he can!

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« Reply #141 on: May 09, 2007, 10:20:51 am »
Heard that one on the radio this morning....didn't laugh then, either.  It IS a humorous photo shop, but I'm ready to let 'em go....fuck Espa Gomez and fuck the fucking Diaz Brothers!  What have they ever done for us, huh?

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« Reply #142 on: May 09, 2007, 10:29:49 am »
But the landscape has changed and "family" isn't as clear any more to anyone who plays the game.  In fact, now it seems that it is about Clemens wanting to prove he can and will make any team... including the Yankees, the team that is supposed to be the mecca for Pride and Honor for all these guys... that team right there... Clemens will make bow down to him because... well... he can!

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« Reply #143 on: May 09, 2007, 10:35:04 am »
and then lie about whether he required them to

Yeah, when he lied about the contract with the Yankees, many eyebrows were raised by both players he just bolted on and the general player in the MLB (and also organizational men too).  Many are a bit taken back at the brazen attitude of it all right now.

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« Reply #144 on: May 09, 2007, 10:36:52 am »
Yeah, when he lied about the contract with the Yankees, many eyebrows were raised by both players he just bolted on and the general player in the MLB (and also organizational men too).  Many are a bit taken back at the brazen attitude of it all right now.

David Wells, yesterday, on Clemens' sweatheart deal:

"I don't think I would ever do it because of the fact I personally think it would disrespect the team and your teammates," Wells told the Florida Sun-Sentinel. "You look at the other players. How are they going to respect you? What are they going to think if you're not there pulling for the team? That's not the Yankee way. The Yankees have changed."

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« Reply #145 on: May 09, 2007, 10:42:03 am »
David Wells, yesterday, on Clemens' sweatheart deal:

"I don't think I would ever do it because of the fact I personally think it would disrespect the team and your teammates," Wells told the Florida Sun-Sentinel. "You look at the other players. How are they going to respect you? What are they going to think if you're not there pulling for the team? That's not the Yankee way. The Yankees have changed."


Come to think of it, whatever "The Yankee Way" is, I'm not sure Wells is the best positioned person to comment on it.

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« Reply #146 on: May 09, 2007, 10:49:31 am »
Come to think of it, whatever "The Yankee Way" is, I'm not sure Wells is the best positioned person to comment on it.

i think there is a Yankee Way, and letting Clemens tell them what to do ain't it. i love all this backlash.
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« Reply #147 on: May 09, 2007, 10:51:45 am »
Come to think of it, whatever "The Yankee Way" is, I'm not sure Wells is the best positioned person to comment on it.

Maybe not, but the Pride of the Yankees has taken on a whole new meaning.  This is a very long way away from the Paul O'Neal Yankees who won with heart and determination and as a team.  In fact, it is Derek Jeter himself, the guy Clemens said pushed hard for two weeks to get him back to the Bronx, who lamented many times when this particular brand of Yankee merchanery team got bumped from the post season, that he knew this was not the Yankees he came to the majors with.  He said many a times that the Yankee way was lost to these guys and they were a far cry from the Brocius, O'Neal, Bernie Williams, Derek Jeter championship teams of old.

A very long way from that.  They may win, but what does it really profit a man to gain the whole world and yet lose his own soul?  Go ask Andy Pettitte.

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« Reply #148 on: May 09, 2007, 10:55:15 am »
and then lie about whether he required them to
Yesterday when Garner was on Mike and Mike in the morning, Hendricks was only previously.  He basically stated that last year when the Yankees refused to give him the "be here when you can" type clause, that it basically removed them from the running.  I forget his exact words, but he said it pretty directly like that.

That was why it was offered to him this year, cause they really wanted/needed him.  So there is NO DOUBT he knew about the clause.

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« Reply #149 on: May 09, 2007, 10:55:55 am »
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« Reply #150 on: May 09, 2007, 11:11:17 am »
Yesterday when Garner was on Mike and Mike in the morning, Hendricks was only previously.  He basically stated that last year when the Yankees refused to give him the "be here when you can" type clause, that it basically removed them from the running.  I forget his exact words, but he said it pretty directly like that.

That was why it was offered to him this year, cause they really wanted/needed him.  So there is NO DOUBT he knew about the clause.

I'm sure the counter that Hendricks will offer is that Clemens will fly home to Houston to be with his family on the days he's not pitching.  Yeah, that will go over really well with the MLB landscape too.  Amazing how much they believe people are stupid.

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« Reply #151 on: May 09, 2007, 11:18:03 am »
Amazing how much they believe people are stupid.

People are stupid.
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« Reply #152 on: May 09, 2007, 11:18:52 am »
He played the game and still loves it.  No man should ever be bigger than the game.  Clemens is coming close to shattering that for everyone and I'm sure any more of this sort of drama crap by Clemens and demands for special treatment, and more will jump aboard.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=olney_buster&id=2862261

"And when the Yankees traded Randy Johnson to the Diamondbacks, they felt as if they were setting themselves up in two ways to lure Clemens: First, by clearing Johnson's $16 million salary from their books, they would have the cash to bid aggressively on Clemens, and secondly, they would no longer have second thoughts about giving Clemens special treatment, like leaving the team on days between his starts. They would not have wanted to create that precedent if Johnson was still on the team."

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« Reply #153 on: May 09, 2007, 11:25:08 am »
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=olney_buster&id=2862261

"And when the Yankees traded Randy Johnson to the Diamondbacks, they felt as if they were setting themselves up in two ways to lure Clemens: First, by clearing Johnson's $16 million salary from their books, they would have the cash to bid aggressively on Clemens, and secondly, they would no longer have second thoughts about giving Clemens special treatment, like leaving the team on days between his starts. They would not have wanted to create that precedent if Johnson was still on the team."

Good luck with not creating that precedent.

Some very smart media folks (smart in the sense that they know a story when they smell one) went first to Unit to ask his reaction to Clemens signing with the Yankees.  Johnson basically went "eh, what do I care?".  So that pretty much was the air leaving the balloon on that one.  Johnson, however, isn't the best one to ask about it... look at all the responses around the majors now about it.  If the Yankees loved the circus they had last year with the A-Rod vs Jeter frenzy, seems they just opened up a new can of circus for this year.

Enjoy that one New York, it will be fun.

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« Reply #154 on: May 09, 2007, 12:25:55 pm »
Some very smart media folks (smart in the sense that they know a story when they smell one) went first to Unit to ask his reaction to Clemens signing with the Yankees.  Johnson basically went "eh, what do I care?".  So that pretty much was the air leaving the balloon on that one.  Johnson, however, isn't the best one to ask about it... look at all the responses around the majors now about it.  If the Yankees loved the circus they had last year with the A-Rod vs Jeter frenzy, seems they just opened up a new can of circus for this year.

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« Reply #155 on: May 09, 2007, 12:28:45 pm »
People are stupid.

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« Reply #156 on: May 09, 2007, 12:38:42 pm »
My all-time favorite generalization. I use it all the time.

It's everywhere.
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« Reply #157 on: May 09, 2007, 02:32:07 pm »
I think Clemens, although he's got a sqeaky clean image, represents perfectly the kind of athlete I think is slowly ruining sports in America. Roger is about two things...making himself look good, and squeasing as much money out of his talent as possible...he's is a "me" guy. What a contrast is Biggio...
If Craig was putting up similar numbers in say...New York, he'd be on the cover of Wheates boxes. Not to mention making more money. But he feels he's been treated well by the Astros organization and the city of Houston...so here he is all these years later...still an Astro. You hear that Roger, "team and city loyalty"...what a concept. So, take your cold black heart back to new york...traitor.

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« Reply #158 on: May 09, 2007, 02:39:15 pm »
I think Clemens, although he's got a sqeaky clean image, represents perfectly the kind of athlete I think is slowly ruining sports in America. Roger is about two things...making himself look good, and squeasing as much money out of his talent as possible...he's is a "me" guy. What a contrast is Biggio...
If Craig was putting up similar numbers in say...New York, he'd be on the cover of Wheates boxes. Not to mention making more money. But he feels he's been treated well by the Astros organization and the city of Houston...so here he is all these years later...still an Astro. You hear that Roger, "team and city loyalty"...what a concept. So, take your cold black heart back to new york...traitor.

Not sure you want to be lifting Biggio up as a saint.
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« Reply #159 on: May 09, 2007, 02:41:40 pm »
I think Clemens, although he's got a sqeaky clean image, represents perfectly the kind of athlete I think is slowly ruining sports in America. Roger is about two things...making himself look good, and squeasing as much money out of his talent as possible...he's is a "me" guy. What a contrast is Biggio...
If Craig was putting up similar numbers in say...New York, he'd be on the cover of Wheates boxes. Not to mention making more money. But he feels he's been treated well by the Astros organization and the city of Houston...so here he is all these years later...still an Astro. You hear that Roger, "team and city loyalty"...what a concept. So, take your cold black heart back to new york...traitor.

If we feel betrayed, well, it's our own fault.  Toronto, Boston, New York and the great land mass that is Lance Berkman ("There are two kinds of people," Lance Berkman said. "Those people who aren't surprised, and morons.") all warned us.

You may want to check another feature of the site that we call, The Talk Zone Funk & Wagner Glossary.  There you will learn about some real back stabbers,

Traitor II: (also T2):1) ex-Astro and current Braves P Mike Hampton, for refusing to talk contract extension with Houston in 1999 offseason, yet eagerly seeking a long-term deal after subsequent trade to NY. After evoking memories of The Traitor with a prompt cashing out after a big year, T2 went on to disrespect Astros organization through the media.

Traitor, The: 1) late ex-Astros, Rockies, Cardinals P Darryl Kile, for turning his back on both his career as a great pitcher and the organization that made him by cashing in on a great 1997 season directly attributable to The Wrangler/Golden Ruhle for an extra 4 million over 3 years offered by Colorado.
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« Reply #160 on: May 09, 2007, 02:45:00 pm »
can we have a moratorium on Clemens topics? I've been sick of his shit for a while and this is too much. At least have a "bitch about the bitch here" thread that we can avoid easier.

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« Reply #161 on: May 09, 2007, 02:48:02 pm »
can we have a moratorium on Clemens topics? I've been sick of his shit for a while and this is too much. At least have a "bitch about the bitch here" thread that we can avoid easier.

I didnt want to jump on a first time poster.  You know how nice I am.  I was trying to redirect.  But yeah.  Several threads titled Clemens etc. now, pick one and add on instead of making new ones. Dave Borkowski is a more interesting topic at this point.

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« Reply #162 on: May 09, 2007, 02:51:44 pm »
Dave Borkowski is a more interesting topic at this point.

He always has been, not that anyone in the media would really notice.

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« Reply #163 on: May 09, 2007, 02:56:09 pm »
He always has been, not that anyone in the media would really notice.

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« Reply #164 on: May 09, 2007, 02:56:15 pm »
I think Clemens, although he's got a sqeaky clean image...

I appreciate your sentiments on the rest of your post, but this is not correct.  Clemens has never been thought of as "squeaky clean"... oh, and neither has Biggio.  But competitors?  Heck yeah, those two guys are grinders of the best kind.  But not clean in terms of image, not at all.

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« Reply #165 on: May 09, 2007, 02:56:46 pm »
Dave Borkowski is a more interesting topic at this point.

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« Reply #166 on: May 09, 2007, 02:57:38 pm »
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Who did Borkowski backstab?

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« Reply #168 on: May 09, 2007, 02:58:54 pm »
Who did Borkowski backstab?

Nobody, Dave is more a sock full of pennies kind of guy.

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« Reply #169 on: May 09, 2007, 02:59:11 pm »
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« Reply #170 on: May 09, 2007, 02:59:51 pm »
He's a bery bad maign, that one.  Si!
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« Reply #171 on: May 09, 2007, 03:00:32 pm »
If we feel betrayed, well, it's our own fault.  Toronto, Boston, New York and the great land mass that is Lance Berkman ("There are two kinds of people," Lance Berkman said. "Those people who aren't surprised, and morons.") all warned us.

You may want to check another feature of the site that we call, The Talk Zone Funk & Wagner Glossary.  There you will learn about some real back stabbers,

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Traitor, The: 1) late ex-Astros, Rockies, Cardinals P Darryl Kile, for turning his back on both his career as a great pitcher and the organization that made him by cashing in on a great 1997 season directly attributable to The Wrangler/Golden Ruhle for an extra 4 million over 3 years offered by Colorado.
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« Reply #172 on: May 09, 2007, 03:01:20 pm »
Well The Bork IS from Detroit so you know he doesn't give a fuck 'bout nothing.

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« Reply #173 on: May 09, 2007, 03:03:47 pm »
discussing traitors and no mention of the man with the giant mole?  you are slacking  ;D

There again, not in the same ballpark as those two.  No one thought El Mole had anyone's back.  Anyway, he was just a puppet.

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« Reply #174 on: May 09, 2007, 03:06:55 pm »
My memory is cloudy.  What exactly made Hampton so pissed off at the Astros?  Did he just want the big money and didn't think McLane would pony up? 

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« Reply #176 on: May 09, 2007, 03:08:44 pm »
My memory is cloudy.  What exactly made Hampton so pissed off at the Astros?  Did he just want the big money and didn't think McLane would pony up? 

OWA TZ rumor mill (or was it the BFT--yep think it was AstrosConnection) had Hampton bonking a teammember's wife if I recall correctly.
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« Reply #177 on: May 09, 2007, 03:16:20 pm »
My memory is cloudy.  What exactly made Hampton so pissed off at the Astros?  Did he just want the big money and didn't think McLane would pony up? 

Nope, rumor has it he demanded that Larry Dierker be fired or else he wouldn't discuss a contract extention with the Astros.  Hunsicker got angry that a player wanted to dictate GM moves, so he basically traded him to New York and that was that.

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« Reply #178 on: May 09, 2007, 03:16:46 pm »
OWA TZ rumor mill (or was it the BFT--yep think it was AstrosConnection) had Hampton bonking a teammember's wife if I recall correctly.

Hey hey hey.  None of that.  Here's the deal, the short version.  Hampton was going into his free agent year (?fuzzy).  The Astros could not afford to sign Hampton, Derek Bell (who had a year left?) and Carl Everett.  Hunsicker spent the offseason trying to trade Bell to free up some money.  No takers.  Then finally he gave up and traded Everett to Boston for Adam Everett. ON THE DAY THE TRADE WAS ANNOUNCED, Hampton told the Astros he did not want to play for them.  His exact words were "I want to play somewhere else".  At no time was money discussed, ever.   Finally Hunsicker was able to duct tape Derek Bell to Hampton and ship him to the Mets for Dotel and Roger Cedeno.

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« Reply #179 on: May 09, 2007, 03:19:27 pm »
Hey hey hey.  None of that.  Here's the deal, the short version.  Hampton was going into his free agent year (?fuzzy).  The Astros could not afford to sign Hampton, Derek Bell (who had a year left?) and Carl Everett.  Hunsicker spent the offseason trying to trade Bell to free up some money.  No takers.  Then finally he gave up and traded Everett to Boston for Adam Everett. ON THE DAY THE TRADE WAS ANNOUNCED, Hampton told the Astros he did not want to play for them.  His exact words were "I want to play somewhere else".  At no time was money discussed, ever.   Finally Hunsicker was able to duct tape Derek Bell to Hampton and ship him to the Mets for Dotel and Roger Cedeno.

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« Reply #180 on: May 09, 2007, 03:20:23 pm »
All of the active Clemens threads have been merged.
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« Reply #181 on: May 09, 2007, 03:20:43 pm »
Hey hey hey.  None of that.  Here's the deal, the short version.  Hampton was going into his free agent year (?fuzzy).  The Astros could not afford to sign Hampton, Derek Bell (who had a year left?) and Carl Everett.  Hunsicker spent the offseason trying to trade Bell to free up some money.  No takers.  Then finally he gave up and traded Everett to Boston for Adam Everett. ON THE DAY THE TRADE WAS ANNOUNCED, Hampton told the Astros he did not want to play for them.  His exact words were "I want to play somewhere else".  At no time was money discussed, ever.   Finally Hunsicker was able to duct tape Derek Bell to Hampton and ship him to the Mets for Dotel and Roger Cedeno.

oh come on, lets start some new rumors.  Some of these guys will believe anything that is posted.

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« Reply #182 on: May 09, 2007, 03:21:42 pm »
oh come on, lets start some new rumors.  Some of these guys will believe anything that is posted.

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« Reply #183 on: May 09, 2007, 03:21:43 pm »
All of the active Clemens threads have been merged.

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where might we find them and under what name, Your Majesty?

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« Reply #185 on: May 09, 2007, 03:26:09 pm »
Is there more or less truth to this rumor then the cammy got traded b/c he was nailing shauna bagwell rumour?



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Re: Clemens a Yankee
« Reply #186 on: May 09, 2007, 03:28:04 pm »
Is there more or less truth to this rumor then the cammy got traded b/c he was nailing shauna bagwell rumour?

for a clubhouse that was always supposedly known for being on the moral up and up, there sure seem to be a lot of sleeping with other peoples wives rumors.
Here are just a few of the key ingredients: dynamite, pole vaulting, laughing gas, choppers - can you see how incredible this is going to be?

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Re: the great traitor
« Reply #187 on: May 09, 2007, 03:35:26 pm »
Hey hey hey.  None of that.  Here's the deal, the short version.  Hampton was going into his free agent year (?fuzzy).  The Astros could not afford to sign Hampton, Derek Bell (who had a year left?) and Carl Everett.  Hunsicker spent the offseason trying to trade Bell to free up some money.  No takers.  Then finally he gave up and traded Everett to Boston for Adam Everett. ON THE DAY THE TRADE WAS ANNOUNCED, Hampton told the Astros he did not want to play for them.  His exact words were "I want to play somewhere else".  At no time was money discussed, ever.   Finally Hunsicker was able to duct tape Derek Bell to Hampton and ship him to the Mets for Dotel and Roger Cedeno.

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Re: Clemens a Yankee
« Reply #188 on: May 09, 2007, 03:45:17 pm »
In this thread.

Your title seemed a lot more fitting when it just read "HMFIC".  You sir, are not roster filler.
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Re: the great traitor
« Reply #189 on: May 09, 2007, 03:46:28 pm »
While lucid, your response lacks a certain something. Like the word "bonking". Go back and fix that, would you?

I have no information on that subject and want no part of that.