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Johnathan Ash
« on: May 03, 2007, 01:23:43 pm »
Why isn't he considered to be more of a prospect? He has always produced in each level of the minors and I think he can be a serviceable player for the Astros if given the chance. Is there something I dont know about him that makes him less of a prospect?

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Re: Johnathan Ash
« Reply #1 on: May 03, 2007, 02:21:30 pm »
I've provide my and the general concensus view of him here.  Additionally, he was an advanced college hitter when he came out and has generally been too old for each league.  A reasonable comp would be Ben Zobrist.
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Re: Johnathan Ash
« Reply #2 on: May 03, 2007, 03:42:33 pm »
Thank you, however, it annoys me to think that the astros dont have much value in someone who hits for a high average and hits doubles, doesnt strike out much and gets on base a reasonable amount. He could be a number 2 hitter IMO.

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« Reply #3 on: May 03, 2007, 04:37:00 pm »
Thank you, however, it annoys me to think that the astros dont have much value in someone who hits for a high average and hits doubles, doesnt strike out much and gets on base a reasonable amount. He could be a number 2 hitter IMO.

I'm not sure that is true.  What Jacksonian is talking about is that certain things translate well, others will cause an organization to have some concern.  What I mean by that is that the organization perhaps wants to see more gap to gap hitting from Ash instead of simply slap hitting at this development stage.  As you progress along, the slap hitter in A ball become perhaps the non hitter in AA because there are better pitchers in the upper minors.  You have to show some ability to hit the ball beyond slap variety at the development stages because it isn't that difficult to hit a baseball from guys who are just learning how to get out professional players.

Having said all that, the stint in the upper minors will either realize the concern as a legitmate one or a non-issue because the kid simply hits everyone and anyone that way and will do so at any level.  But your question was about the potential and general feeling on Ash and right now, what Jacksonian said is the real concern.  A little more pop in the bat at the level he's playing would have him rise above "JAG" status (just another guy).  It's one of the keys to look for by scouts.  Another thing is the level of competition, the age of the player, the fields, et. al. to evaluate a high average hitter properly.

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Re: Johnathan Ash
« Reply #4 on: May 04, 2007, 11:38:37 am »
I'm not sure that is true.  What Jacksonian is talking about is that certain things translate well, others will cause an organization to have some concern.  What I mean by that is that the organization perhaps wants to see more gap to gap hitting from Ash instead of simply slap hitting at this development stage.  As you progress along, the slap hitter in A ball become perhaps the non hitter in AA because there are better pitchers in the upper minors.  You have to show some ability to hit the ball beyond slap variety at the development stages because it isn't that difficult to hit a baseball from guys who are just learning how to get out professional players.

Having said all that, the stint in the upper minors will either realize the concern as a legitmate one or a non-issue because the kid simply hits everyone and anyone that way and will do so at any level.  But your question was about the potential and general feeling on Ash and right now, what Jacksonian said is the real concern.  A little more pop in the bat at the level he's playing would have him rise above "JAG" status (just another guy).  It's one of the keys to look for by scouts.  Another thing is the level of competition, the age of the player, the fields, et. al. to evaluate a high average hitter properly.

I also believe Astros brass see something in his game that would keep him from being successful in the majors despite his successes in the minors.
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Re: Johnathan Ash
« Reply #5 on: May 04, 2007, 11:43:29 am »
I also believe Astros brass see something in his game that would keep him from being successful in the majors despite his successes in the minors.

Aluminum bat syndrome sometimes makes a team weary about how well a hitter will adjust to having his hands sawed off by upper level to major league level pitchers.

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Re: Johnathan Ash
« Reply #6 on: May 26, 2007, 06:06:18 am »
Johnny has been sidelined by a bad hammy since 5/18 but got a RBI pinch hit double last night in the 8th. No word on when he will be back in the infield.

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