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Jim R's coaching career
« on: April 11, 2007, 10:08:06 am »
Jim,

Who were the 5 best baseball players whom you ever coached? How closely does that list correlate to the 5 best athletes, generally speaking, whom you ever coached?

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« Reply #1 on: April 11, 2007, 10:11:03 am »
Jim,

Who were the 5 best baseball players whom you ever coached? How closely does that list correlate to the 5 best athletes, generally speaking, whom you ever coached?

you understand i coached in HS, right? the only "best player" you ever heard of is Matt Belisle and only because he is in MLB. i was blessed with very good players throughout my career.
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« Reply #2 on: April 11, 2007, 10:23:41 am »
you understand i coached in HS, right? the only "best player" you ever heard of is Matt Belisle and only because he is in MLB. i was blessed with very good players throughout my career.

Let me ask the question a different way... well, let me ask what I think he was asking in a different way that interests me:

Looking at the best players you coached, were they also usually the best 'athletes'?  In your opinion, would you say this is more true in HS vs college vs pros or less so?
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« Reply #3 on: April 11, 2007, 10:27:38 am »
no, of course they were not the best athletes necessarily. some of them could play some facet of baseball well but could not do anything else in athletics. the same is true for the football players i coached.

probably the best athlete i personally coached was a football player at McCallum named Tarron Brooks. Ask Mark about him.
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« Reply #4 on: April 11, 2007, 02:32:26 pm »
no, of course they were not the best athletes necessarily. some of them could play some facet of baseball well but could not do anything else in athletics. the same is true for the football players i coached.

probably the best athlete i personally coached was a football player at McCallum named Tarron Brooks. Ask Mark about him.

After my junior year, both our coaches left for greener pastures, and were eventually replaced by a couple of our assistant football coaches.  They liked baseball, but they tried to coach it like football (which I was still playing at the time, as well.)  The first two weeks of spring practice, we hardly picked up a glove or a ball, much less swung a bat.  They had us out there running karioke drills (I think they were called), airplanes, up-downs, things like that.

We'd gone to regionals the year before and had several returning starters and several more who had experience off the bench.  But I guess we looked kind of scrawny to our coaches; so they went over to football and recruited several of those guys.  I don't think it took much - football was going through their own spring drills at the time, which were brutal.  Several of our starters were benched in favor of the new arrivals.

We sucked in pre-district, winning maybe 1/3 of our games, but by district the criticism of the coaching was so heavy that they reverted back to starting the better baseball players.  We didn't win the district or anything, but we were at least respectable after that.

One of my fondest memories of all that was after the football guys came over, the coaches installed our all-district nose tackle in RF.  He was about 5' 7" tall, and nearly as wide.  Perfect for a NT; but he couldn't run for shit, couldn't track balls, and he threw like -- I would say a girl, but that would be insulting to girls.  He threw like a sissy.  Couldn't swing, either; he had zero flexibility.  The guy had always been kind of a bully in school, but he got so frustrated with baseball he actually cried on the field, during a game, after screwing up a pop fly for the umpteenth time.

That ended his career as a bully, and for the most part ended the talk that football players were better athletes.

I don't know which sport has the best athletes.  If you'd asked me at the time, I would probably have said track.  Specifically, the guys who ran the 880 (or whatever the metric equivalent is).  I tried that event for awhile, and it nearly killed me.  I couldn't ever figure out whether it was a sprint all the way, or if one should pace oneself for awhile.  I usually ended up sprinting the whole way, and the last 200 yards always felt like my legs were operating according to some plan other than my own, and that my lungs were about to burst and come out through my nose, or ears, or both.

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« Reply #5 on: April 11, 2007, 03:16:32 pm »
Specifically, the guys who ran the 880 (or whatever the metric equivalent is).  I tried that event for awhile, and it nearly killed me.  I couldn't ever figure out whether it was a sprint all the way, or if one should pace oneself for awhile.  I usually ended up sprinting the whole way, and the last 200 yards always felt like my legs were operating according to some plan other than my own, and that my lungs were about to burst and come out through my nose, or ears, or both.

I was a track guy in high school.  There'd always be discussions about which is the harder event, the 400m or the 800m.   You pretty much had to sprint the 400 but you really couldn't sprint the 800, but you'd have to go about 80% the whole time. 

By the way, NOTHING sucks worse than track practice after a dissappointing meet.  Coaches are in a shitty mood and basically they make you run as fast as you can for as long as you can, occassionally dragging a tire behind you. 

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« Reply #6 on: April 11, 2007, 03:20:43 pm »
I was a track guy in high school.  There'd always be discussions about which is the harder event, the 400m or the 800m.   You pretty much had to sprint the 400 but you really couldn't sprint the 800, but you'd have to go about 80% the whole time. 

By the way, NOTHING sucks worse than track practice after a dissappointing meet.  Coaches are in a shitty mood and basically they make you run as fast as you can for as long as you can, occassionally dragging a tire behind you. 



Please everyone knows the 3200 is the hardest event.
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« Reply #7 on: April 11, 2007, 03:32:11 pm »
Please everyone knows the 3200 is the hardest event.

Have you ever tried to pole vault?
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« Reply #8 on: April 11, 2007, 03:39:25 pm »
Have you ever tried to pole vault?

Is that a loaded question?
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« Reply #9 on: April 11, 2007, 04:09:53 pm »
Is that a loaded question?

OK.  You're in the TZ.  Check.  It is late afternoon, so most everyone is tired of thinking about work, and the mind is moving to. . . other things.  Check.  You are vastly outnumberd by guys.  Check.  Most of whom aren't exactly what you'd call "refined".  Check.

Now, what was the question again.

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« Reply #10 on: April 11, 2007, 04:12:22 pm »
I can't believe no one has played the "greatest athlete Jim coached?  Gotta be Jim Thorpe" card yet.
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« Reply #11 on: April 11, 2007, 04:49:35 pm »
I can't believe no one has played the "greatest athlete Jim coached?  Gotta be Jim Thorpe" card yet.


The guy who ran the marathon.  The original guy, the one who went from Athens to Marathon and then dropped dead.

He'd have to be right up there.

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« Reply #12 on: April 11, 2007, 06:38:49 pm »

The guy who ran the marathon.  The original guy, the one who went from Athens to Marathon and then dropped dead.

He'd have to be right up there.

I can tell you who it definately wasn't...

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« Reply #13 on: April 11, 2007, 07:38:55 pm »

The guy who ran the marathon.  The original guy, the one who went from Athens to Marathon and then dropped dead.

He'd have to be right up there.

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« Reply #14 on: April 11, 2007, 11:12:18 pm »

The guy who ran the marathon.  The original guy, the one who went from Athens to Marathon and then dropped dead.

He'd have to be right up there.

I'm thinking it was Phiddipides (sp?)...
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« Reply #15 on: April 11, 2007, 11:18:25 pm »
I'm thinking it was Phiddipides (sp?)...
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« Reply #16 on: April 11, 2007, 11:32:06 pm »
Pheidippides, but close enough.

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« Reply #17 on: April 11, 2007, 11:58:26 pm »
Speaking of guys Coach has coached, congrats again to Matty Belisle! 2-0 with a 1.50 ERA. Hands down the best ballplayer *I* ever played with.
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« Reply #18 on: April 12, 2007, 12:20:00 pm »
Please everyone knows the 3200 is the hardest event.

Nupe, not even close.  I ran all three in HS; 800m, 1600m (mile) and 3200m.  I looked forward to the 3200m, even after running a 1600m earlier in the day.  If I had to go back and experience the pain associated with running my personal best for each (1m59s for 800m, 4m16s for mile) I'd take the mile every time even though the 1600m time would be considered the more impressive of the two.  I thought I was gonna *die* every time I ran the 800m.
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« Reply #19 on: April 12, 2007, 12:25:09 pm »
Nupe, not even close.  I ran all three in HS; 800m, 1600m (mile) and 3200m.  I looked forward to the 3200m, even after running a 1600m earlier in the day.  If I had to go back and experience the pain associated with running my personal best for each (1m59s for 800m, 4m16s for mile) I'd take the mile every time even though the 1600m time would be considered the more impressive of the two.  I thought I was gonna *die* every time I ran the 800m.

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« Reply #20 on: April 12, 2007, 12:30:50 pm »
The 800m was conceived by the devil himself.

I didnt much care for the 440 either.

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« Reply #21 on: April 12, 2007, 12:45:16 pm »
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« Reply #22 on: April 12, 2007, 12:47:54 pm »
Running is for queers.



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« Reply #23 on: April 13, 2007, 07:50:39 am »
Running is for queers.

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« Reply #24 on: April 13, 2007, 09:01:31 am »
Since I played basketball in high school, I should stick up for them as the best athletes.

However, my baseball career ended the day the pitchers learned to throw curveballs.  I swung so wildly at those, blindfolding me would have no impact on my ability to hit it.

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« Reply #25 on: April 13, 2007, 09:23:28 am »
If you're talking about high school, the best athletes weren't just the basketball players...they were the basketball players who also ran for over 1000 yards or caught 10 TDs in the fall...then threw in the mid to upper 80s in the spring with homerun power at the plate, although I understand the system is now pushing for specialization at a much younger age.

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« Reply #26 on: April 13, 2007, 09:41:33 am »
If you're talking about high school, the best athletes weren't just the basketball players...they were the basketball players who also ran for over 1000 yards or caught 10 TDs in the fall...then threw in the mid to upper 80s in the spring with homerun power at the plate, although I understand the system is now pushing for specialization at a much younger age.

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« Reply #27 on: April 13, 2007, 09:42:40 am »
Running is for queers.

Beer bellies are for loosers.

Running with a beer belly really sucks.
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