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I feel strangely good
« on: April 02, 2007, 08:57:18 pm »
Why?

Because the last time we realized we had better options than our closer, we were ablie to spin him into Carlos Fucking Beltran.

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Re: I feel strangely good
« Reply #1 on: April 02, 2007, 09:10:25 pm »
Did you hear Garner at the press conference? He still has confidence in Lidge.
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« Reply #2 on: April 02, 2007, 09:12:18 pm »
Garner is sure he'll blow 4 games this year, and he might blow the next 3 and then save 30 in a row. Good closers reinvent themselves, he is sure he will get it done.

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« Reply #3 on: April 02, 2007, 09:16:49 pm »
I missed the first 3 batters of the ninth  Fricken MLB.TV picture was extremely jumpy.  It fixed just after the Nady homerun.  The last 3 batters he faced looked exatly like the problems he had last year (hanging the slider, bouncing 5 feet short of the plate, and just when it seemed that was all ne needed to do was throw a chest high fastball to get out an overanxious youngster, he almost hit him with it.)

The question is for the first 3 batters, did he look improved at all?  and then just get rattled after the BS? 




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« Reply #4 on: April 02, 2007, 09:19:59 pm »
The question is for the first 3 batters, did he look improved at all?  and then just get rattled after the BS? 

I didn't see much different than you described from memory.  Even the same demented bunny-hop when he coughed up the dinger.  Same stressed out look on his face.
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« Reply #5 on: April 02, 2007, 09:26:40 pm »
He threw a high, inside FB to Paulino that looked like the same old shit: left shoulder open early, finishing up way over by 1B.  Somehow he got him out anyway.

I didn't think the location on the Nady FB was awful (it was middle, but low), but the fact that it was a FB was soooo predictable, and you knew that Nady had to be looking FB.  Ooops.

I didn't see Qualls' magic.  By that time I figured the only way they had a chance was if I quit watching.  There is an extremely high negative correlation between me watching and the Astros winning.
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Re: I feel strangely good
« Reply #6 on: April 02, 2007, 09:31:38 pm »
No one from the pen looked that good out there.  Wheeler's hanger almost blew the game in the 8th.  Thigh high, inner 3rd, but not on the edge.  Of course I'm looking at a 3 by 3 screen so it may have been outside and high.


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« Reply #7 on: April 02, 2007, 09:42:01 pm »
Did you hear Garner at the press conference? He still has confidence in Lidge.

What are your other options right now?

They decided Lidge was the man, or they would have made a move in the off season.

I will say this, it is going to get UGLY at the park this year if Lidge keeps closing, the "people" have turned on him.   If he doesnt strike out the next 9 batters he faces, it is going to be a chorus of boos.

And for those not there, they are no longer doing the LIGHTS OUT LIDGE into music, which was rather fitting tonight.
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« Reply #8 on: April 02, 2007, 09:42:28 pm »
Yeah, well I feel damn near sick.  And it's not because of Lidge's performance.  It's due to the fucking lame ass fans that decided to boo him.  WFW!!!...go sell the guy down the river after one fucking game if you want, not me.

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« Reply #9 on: April 02, 2007, 10:00:44 pm »
go sell the guy down the river after one fucking game if you want, not me.

That's the problem, it's not just one game.  This is just a continuation of a downward spiral we've witnessed over the past 18 months.  He was bad last year, he was TERRIBLE thing spring, and thus his BS tonight is just par for the course.  How many games like tonight is it going to take before his supporters realize he needs to go?

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« Reply #10 on: April 02, 2007, 10:07:15 pm »
That's the problem, it's not just one game.  This is just a continuation of a downward spiral we've witnessed over the past 18 months.  He was bad last year, he was TERRIBLE thing spring, and thus his BS tonight is just par for the course.  How many games like tonight is it going to take before his supporters realize he needs to go?

And put Wheeler in?  The game I was at the Pirates hit 3 homeruns and scored 4 runs.  Lidge gave up one each.  Who wants to talk about scoring 2 runs off Duke and that awful route that Burke took to the plate?

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« Reply #11 on: April 02, 2007, 10:09:07 pm »
He threw a high, inside FB to Paulino that looked like the same old shit: left shoulder open early, finishing up way over by 1B.  Somehow he got him out anyway.

I didn't think the location on the Nady FB was awful (it was middle, but low), but the fact that it was a FB was soooo predictable, and you knew that Nady had to be looking FB.  Ooops.

I didn't see Qualls' magic.  By that time I figured the only way they had a chance was if I quit watching.  There is an extremely high negative correlation between me watching and the Astros winning.

The Pirates didnt even flinch at Lidge's sliders.  They were doing that stepping out thing that the Dodgers did last season.  However, they had no chance with Qualls.

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« Reply #12 on: April 02, 2007, 10:11:38 pm »
And put Wheeler in?  The game I was at the Pirates hit 3 homeruns and scored 4 runs.  Lidge gave up one each.  Who wants to talk about scoring 2 runs off Duke and that awful route that Burke took to the plate?

Dumbass.  Ausmus went 0-fer.

Seriously, Lee went 0-fer; GIDP's; lots of bouncers to 3rd; All-Star Jason Bay; a number of hard hit outs.

OTOH, Oswalt and Scott.
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« Reply #13 on: April 02, 2007, 10:16:27 pm »
Dumbass.  Ausmus went 0-fer.

Seriously, Lee went 0-fer; GIDP's; lots of bouncers to 3rd; All-Star Jason Bay; a number of hard hit outs.

OTOH, Oswalt and Scott.

Burke too, except for the play at the plate.  Swinging really well.  If he runs down the line and challenges contact with the catcher he likely beats the throw.  Instead he took 3 steps outside trying to make the backdoor slide.  Everett looked good too.  He's "catching" the pitch on his bat.  Morons I was around started cheering on Lee's obvious pop out in his first ab.

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« Reply #14 on: April 02, 2007, 10:17:43 pm »
Yeah, well I feel damn near sick.  And it's not because of Lidge's performance.  It's due to the fucking lame ass fans that decided to boo him.  WFW!!!...go sell the guy down the river after one fucking game if you want, not me.

One game, one season...what's the difference.  I see how that can be confused.

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« Reply #15 on: April 02, 2007, 10:20:52 pm »
that awful route that Burke took to the plate?
I thought he shouldn't have been sent.  He hesitated till it got by the shortstop, Duffy was running in the whole way, it was a pretty easy throw. 


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« Reply #16 on: April 02, 2007, 10:21:48 pm »
Burke too, except for the play at the plate.  Swinging really well.  If he runs down the line and challenges contact with the catcher he likely beats the throw.  Instead he took 3 steps outside trying to make the backdoor slide.  Everett looked good too.  He's "catching" the pitch on his bat.  Morons I was around started cheering on Lee's obvious pop out in his first ab.


Right, forgot about Burke's doubles.  

I like the way AE approaches his at-bats in the 2 spot.  Let's see if he can keep it up.  

If's and but's.  If Duffy's throw is on target instead of 5 feet toward first Burke's out no matter how good a route to the plate he takes.
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« Reply #17 on: April 02, 2007, 10:39:36 pm »
I thought he shouldn't have been sent.  He hesitated till it got by the shortstop, Duffy was running in the whole way, it was a pretty easy throw. 



I thought Jimmy D was correct in pointing out that there must have been a scouting report saying to challenge Duffy.

Roy failing to get the bunt down in the 3rd was huge.
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« Reply #18 on: April 02, 2007, 10:40:33 pm »
I thought he shouldn't have been sent.  He hesitated till it got by the shortstop, Duffy was running in the whole way, it was a pretty easy throw. 



Yeah, Burke had to hold up to see if Ann Wilson was going to make the catch.  Never should have been sent home.  1 out, runners on 1st and 3rd with the top of the order coming up.

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« Reply #19 on: April 02, 2007, 10:46:29 pm »
I thought Jimmy D was correct in pointing out that there must have been a scouting report saying to challenge Duffy.

I heard that, probably right.  Though the 2 attempts made were long shots.  Scott had no chance and the Burke thing was high risk with only 1 out.


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« Reply #20 on: April 02, 2007, 10:50:41 pm »
Disappointing result, but there were a couple of very encouraging things. AE was awesome in the field and confident at the plate. Burke looked much better in center than he did during ST. He also looked pretty confident at the plate. (I wish he'd run the catcher over, but...) Roy is still the best pitcher in the NL.

The Astros are not always going to have three or four GIDPs, hit three or four screamers right at guys, two unfortunate baserunning plays, etc. I don't understand all the teeth gnashing with regard to Lidge. Qualls contributed, too, and Qualls hasn't had nearly the turbulence lately that Lidge has had. This shit happens, unfortunately. Even against the worst team in the division on the first day of the season.

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« Reply #21 on: April 02, 2007, 10:54:27 pm »
My "teeth gnashing" is that Lidge looked absolutely identical to last year.  Same mechanics, same results, same body language.
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« Reply #22 on: April 02, 2007, 11:13:25 pm »
Yeah, well I feel damn near sick.  And it's not because of Lidge's performance.  It's due to the fucking lame ass fans that decided to boo him.  WFW!!!...go sell the guy down the river after one fucking game if you want, not me.

The boo'ing bothered me more than anything I saw tonight. 
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« Reply #23 on: April 02, 2007, 11:21:22 pm »
My "teeth gnashing" is that Lidge looked absolutely identical to last year.  Same mechanics, same results, same body language.
Sure, and I saw him get lit up in ST three or four times in a very similar manner. I guess my further point is that the team has several other good options if Lidge falters.
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« Reply #24 on: April 03, 2007, 07:26:57 am »
Dumbass.  Ausmus went 0-fer.

Seriously, Lee went 0-fer; GIDP's; lots of bouncers to 3rd; All-Star Jason Bay; a number of hard hit outs.

OTOH, Oswalt and Scott.

And at least one of Lee's hits was a scorcher that Castillo made a ridiculous play to get the out.  There were several sharply hit balls that were caught in unbelievable fashion.  Was the Pirates 3B standing on the line with Lee's last AB in the 9th when he hit that ball down the line, bending foul?   Bad luck on the offensive side. 

I thought the HR lidge gave up to Nady was actually a decent pitch.  Nady looked like he new an inside fastball was coming.  Oswalt confirmed they'd been hammering him inside all night.

"No one seemed to have a problem with the pitch Lidge threw to Nady. It was an inside fastball, in the same area where Oswalt had pitched to Nady throughout the game. Oswalt surmised Nady was waiting for it this time.

"I looked back at it on film, and it was probably two, three inches inside," Oswalt said. "It probably would have been a ball. He put a good swing on it. I think what Nady did, we had been pitching him in all night. I think he just sold out for an inside fastball and got it."


The thing I'm actually dissappointed with?  Someone mentioned it earlier but Scott getting thrown out at 2nd and Burke getting tossed at home.  Scott was the last out so it's not that big a deal other than showing horrible judgement. Burke was the first of that inning.  They had the heart of the lineup coming up.  That ball was in shallow left center, IIRC.  Just doesn't make sense to me given it was still a bad throw, although a good tag by Paulino, and Burke didn't have a shot at scoring.  Hindsight, I suppose, but I hope the base running improves dramatically.

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« Reply #25 on: April 03, 2007, 07:30:17 am »
My "teeth gnashing" is that Lidge looked absolutely identical to last year.  Same mechanics, same results, same body language.

That's just it, I didn't think he was bad with the first 2 hitters.  It was after Nady that the old bad habits surfaced.  Near as I can tell, he lost his composore a bit but avoided giving up another run.  A 1 pitch homerun and he struggled but didn't crater.   Seriously, and this may be crazy talk, but I thought I saw progress with the first 2 batters.  Nady got lucky.
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« Reply #26 on: April 03, 2007, 07:48:33 am »
And put Wheeler in?  The game I was at the Pirates hit 3 homeruns and scored 4 runs.  Lidge gave up one each.  Who wants to talk about scoring 2 runs off Duke and that awful route that Burke took to the plate?

Talk about not scoring runs all you want.  But, Lidge didn't do his job.  The score could have been 7-8 and the result would have been the same.  Would that have been better, after the Astros scored 8?  He had the lead.  He had two outs.  Hell, after the HR, he gave up a double and a walk.  He blew it.  But wait, he didn't lose it, Qualls did.

Garner is going to put him out there tonight or tomorrow with a one-run lead so bitching and moaning about it isn't going to change anything.

I also think teams are going to run all over Chris Burke.
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« Reply #27 on: April 03, 2007, 08:16:54 am »
Someone mentioned it earlier but Scott getting thrown out at 2nd and Burke getting tossed at home.  Scott was the last out so it's not that big a deal other than showing horrible judgement. Burke was the first of that inning.  They had the heart of the lineup coming up.  That ball was in shallow left center, IIRC.  Just doesn't make sense to me given it was still a bad throw, although a good tag by Paulino, and Burke didn't have a shot at scoring.  Hindsight, I suppose, but I hope the base running improves dramatically.

Actually I thought the opposite, but agree that it needs to improve.  I thought Burke got a hand on the plate at the same time he was tagged, and judging from his reation, so did he.  On the other one, when Luke rounded first, Jose Cruz was pointing at the bag for him to hold up.  Scott didn't even look, and Cruz'd right on by.  That just looked arogant to me,  and I'm sure he will pay for it in Kangaroo Court
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« Reply #28 on: April 03, 2007, 08:20:51 am »
Actually I thought the opposite, but agree that it needs to improve.  I thought Burke got a hand on the plate at the same time he was tagged, and judging from his reation, so did he.  On the other one, when Luke rounded first, Jose Cruz was pointing at the bag for him to hold up.  Scott didn't even look, and Cruz'd right on by.  That just looked arogant to me,  and I'm sure he will pay for it in Kangaroo Court

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« Reply #29 on: April 03, 2007, 08:23:48 am »
And here's another pic. The caption says Lidge is reacting after the HR, but the ball is in his glove.
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« Reply #30 on: April 03, 2007, 08:25:27 am »
And here's another pic. The caption says Lidge is reacting after the HR, but the ball is in his glove.

That's generally where the umpire throws the replacement.

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« Reply #31 on: April 03, 2007, 08:28:40 am »
That's generally where the umpire throws the replacement.

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« Reply #32 on: April 03, 2007, 08:38:48 am »
A different angle pic on the Burke slide.
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« Reply #33 on: April 03, 2007, 08:39:41 am »
It is possible Burke avoids contact because he's trying to keep his shoulder in place at least through the first week?

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« Reply #34 on: April 03, 2007, 08:45:40 am »
Actually I thought the opposite, but agree that it needs to improve.  I thought Burke got a hand on the plate at the same time he was tagged, and judging from his reation, so did he.  On the other one, when Luke rounded first, Jose Cruz was pointing at the bag for him to hold up.  Scott didn't even look, and Cruz'd right on by.  That just looked arogant to me,  and I'm sure he will pay for it in Kangaroo Court

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« Reply #35 on: April 03, 2007, 08:46:33 am »
"reacting after the HR, but the ball is in his glove."

You seemed a bit confused as to how a ball would be in his glove after giving up a homerun like it was some type of new hidden ball trick or wrong caption on the picture.  Just pointing out the blatantly obvious.
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« Reply #36 on: April 03, 2007, 08:48:52 am »
Burke should never have been sent.  He held up a looong time to make sure that the ball cleared Wilson, and then it was in shallow left center.  Duffy only had to throw it about 150 feet.  I would have been amazed if they didn't get him.
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« Reply #37 on: April 03, 2007, 08:51:14 am »
Burke should never have been sent.  He held up a looong time to make sure that the ball cleared Wilson, and then it was in shallow left center.  Duffy only had to throw it about 150 feet.  I would have been amazed if they didn't get him.

Considering the barehand play Duffy made, I was surprised it was so close. Noodle might be kind.
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« Reply #38 on: April 03, 2007, 08:54:00 am »
A different angle pic on the Burke slide.

I'd have to see it again in slow-mo, because to me, neither photo is absolute.  The throw did beat him, I just think he snuck that hand in and the ump missed it.  Either way, he was called out.
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« Reply #39 on: April 03, 2007, 08:54:34 am »
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You seemed a bit confused as to how a ball would be in his glove after giving up a homerun like it was some type of new hidden ball trick or wrong caption on the picture.  Just pointing out the blatantly obvious.

I'm not confused at all, Curly.

To me, this is the initial reaction after the home run ball.

And then this.
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« Reply #40 on: April 03, 2007, 09:04:56 am »
Nice team loss today.  Hitters, bully, coaches.  Everyone had a hand in the L.

My immediate thought for the title of the game recap that I am not writing was:
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« Reply #41 on: April 03, 2007, 09:09:42 am »
I'm not confused at all, Curly.

To me, this is the initial reaction after the home run ball.

And then this.

No, that should read more along the lines of "Line up boys, who's gonna be next!"

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« Reply #42 on: April 03, 2007, 09:11:07 am »
Burke should never have been sent.  He held up a looong time to make sure that the ball cleared Wilson, and then it was in shallow left center.  Duffy only had to throw it about 150 feet.  I would have been amazed if they didn't get him.

The Pirates made all the plays that the Astros offered them last night.  They snagged every ball within reach, tagged every boneheaded baserunner and turned all the DPs possible.  The Astros failed to execute a sac bunt, committed the aforementioned boneheaded running errors and had a bona fide, in the box score, error courtesy of Ensberg.  They kept the game close, waited out Oswalt and obliterated the Astros' bullpen.

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« Reply #43 on: April 03, 2007, 09:35:47 am »
My immediate thought for the title of the game recap that I am not writing was:
"Astros Lidge the Bed"

After a night of drinking and Sherriff Balylock's nachos, I got up this morning and had to take Lidge.
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« Reply #44 on: April 03, 2007, 09:44:29 am »
I'm not confused at all, Curly.

To me, this is the initial reaction after the home run ball.

And then this.

Who cares?  Analyzing the super close up of Lidge's anguished face smacks of Lifetime TV.  Ausmus called inside FB.  Lidge pitched inside FB.  Nady was waiting inside FB and crushed it.  Dubious call, ok execution, poor result.  We'll get 'em tomorrow.
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« Reply #45 on: April 03, 2007, 09:46:36 am »
It is possible Burke avoids contact because he's trying to keep his shoulder in place at least through the first week?

This is possible.  As for, why why send him?  Precious few scoring opportunities from anyone else.  Roy atleast gets the hit with a runner on.  I still say if Burke runs straight, slides feet first, he beats the tag.

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« Reply #46 on: April 03, 2007, 10:02:40 am »
i think you are right on all counts, prav.

the worst thing about the Lidge HR is that he has to listen to all the yammering after one fucking game. that said, i did not see much, if any, improvement in his mechanics. i'm sure he was very, very tight and hoping he could get through that first chance to silence the idiots for awhile. he must be in a near-panic mode right now--not worrying about the hitter as much as worrying if he has lost "it" forever.

the Qualls HR was far worse. it lost the game, and it was an 0-2 count, IIRC.

the offense should have scored 5-6 runs. some of that was plain bad luck, and i think this team will score.

i thought the biggest problem with the Burke play was that he took far too long to recognize that Wilson could not get it. i agree re his cute slide to avoid contact. i would have sent him, too. he may have been out when i did, but i would have sent him.
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« Reply #47 on: April 03, 2007, 10:22:44 am »
that said, i did not see much, if any, improvement in his mechanics.

My opinion on Lidge's mechanics is, he has always had poor mechanics and he has always struggled with conrol. The difference being, in 2006, the hitters stopped swinging at his slider, for whatever reason. I think the league finally adjusted to Lidge and is somehow laying off the slider, sitting dead red. We will see if Lidge makes the adjustments himself with his new pitches. Bottom line is Lidge will likely never be as dominant as he once was, but he can still be good, a lot of it is just fans managing their expectations.
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« Reply #48 on: April 03, 2007, 10:27:04 am »
And why would they swing at the slider when it bounces 3 feet in front of the plate?  The slider used to be devastating and was thrown for a strike.
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« Reply #49 on: April 03, 2007, 10:52:10 am »
My opinion on Lidge's mechanics is, he has always had poor mechanics and he has always struggled with conrol.

and, on this your opinion would be wrong.
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« Reply #50 on: April 03, 2007, 10:57:45 am »
and, on this your opinion would be wrong.

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« Reply #51 on: April 03, 2007, 11:12:35 am »
The one thing I really enjoyed about last night was when they showed the Co-ards raising their WS banner between innings on the jumbotron, the crowd let out a loud boo.  That was pretty sweet!
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« Reply #52 on: April 03, 2007, 11:17:23 am »
This is possible.  As for, why why send him?  Precious few scoring opportunities from anyone else.  Roy atleast gets the hit with a runner on.  I still say if Burke runs straight, slides feet first, he beats the tag.

The tv replays had a good shot of Biggio was guiding/waving him to the outside of the plate.  Burke followed Biggio's guide to the "T".

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« Reply #53 on: April 03, 2007, 11:18:24 am »
The one thing I really enjoyed about last night was when they showed the Co-ards raising their WS banner between innings on the jumbotron, the crowd let out a loud boo.  That was pretty sweet!

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« Reply #54 on: April 03, 2007, 11:25:50 am »
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« Reply #55 on: April 03, 2007, 11:34:08 am »
Yeah, we're good booers.

Philly fans?  I shit 'em.
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« Reply #56 on: April 03, 2007, 11:36:16 am »
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« Reply #57 on: April 03, 2007, 03:22:03 pm »
Damn, I feel for Lidge today. I didn't get to watch the game last night but I caught the last out of the eighth inning when Milo said "We're goin' to the ninth, gotta hold 'em here Astros!"

Listening to Milo call the first four pitches (strikeout, groundout) gave me that good feelin inside, so much so that his nonchalance on the next pitch made me think "ballgame." There's a fly to left and this game is.......tied.

Tied? Whaaaa? Ah sheeeeeeiiiiitttt.

The boos that followed were goddamned infuriating. As long as he's wearing an Astros uniform, anyone who boos #54 doesn't deserve the success this organization has brought its fans everywhere. Fuck you Yankee fan wannabes.

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« Reply #58 on: April 03, 2007, 03:24:57 pm »
Damn, I feel for Lidge today. I didn't get to watch the game last night but I caught the last out of the eighth inning when Milo said "We're goin' to the ninth, gotta hold 'em here Astros!"

Listening to Milo call the first four pitches (strikeout, groundout) gave me that good feelin inside, so much so that his nonchalance on the next pitch made me think "ballgame." There's a fly to left and this game is.......tied.

Tied? Whaaaa? Ah sheeeeeeiiiiitttt.

The boos that followed were goddamned infuriating. As long as he's wearing an Astros uniform, anyone who boos #54 doesn't deserve the success this organization has brought its fans everywhere. Fuck you Yankee fan wannabes.

Go get 'em Jennings. Shut the boo birds up.


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« Reply #59 on: April 03, 2007, 03:27:57 pm »
I was there last night and I was pissed....about the booing as well.  We don't live in Philly for Christ sakes.

It is also bad form to boo another team's accomplishments.  I do not expect many people to understand this.

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« Reply #60 on: April 03, 2007, 03:28:20 pm »
I was there last night and I was pissed....about the booing as well.  We don't live in Philly for Christ sakes.
And one more thing, I sure as fuck hope Lee had first game jitters and will not be trying to hit it in the crawfish boxes so hard.  (almost like hitting in the two hole)

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« Reply #61 on: April 03, 2007, 03:30:37 pm »
It is also bad form to boo another team's accomplishments.  I do not expect many people to understand this.

I know when I played little league that if I did not show due respect to the other team, I would get my ass chewed out and worse when I got home.  Rest assured that my three kids will have the same values.

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« Reply #62 on: April 03, 2007, 03:45:29 pm »
I'm a big lidge supporter, but now i'm questioning whether he needs to be traded for his own sake.    It seems the vast majority of the city blames him for every thing wrong with the team and when they lose and he had only one part in it, they make him the scapegoat.   

I want him to turn it around but I can only imagine how hard it is knowing you are trying to fix your career and the majority of your home fans are expecting you to screw up and will pounce when you do.     
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I know when I played little league that if I did not show due respect to the other team, I would get my ass chewed out and worse when I got home.  Rest assured that my three kids will have the same values.

Excellent.  I know that some do understand sportsmanship.  But last night the crowd of louts and even the quaffed and manicured turd and his pinched and lacquered wife I was sitting behind after I "improved" my ticket in the 7th certainly did not.

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« Reply #64 on: April 03, 2007, 04:07:41 pm »
It is also bad form to boo another team's accomplishments.  I do not expect many people to understand this.

Because you're so much smarter and better than everyone else? 
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« Reply #65 on: April 03, 2007, 04:15:04 pm »
Because you're so much smarter and better than everyone else? 

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« Reply #66 on: April 03, 2007, 04:18:11 pm »
The tv replays had a good shot of Biggio was guiding/waving him to the outside of the plate.  Burke followed Biggio's guide to the "T".



This is correct.  Seems Burke was sunk by the guidance of both the 3rd base coach and Biggio...

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« Reply #67 on: April 03, 2007, 04:20:58 pm »
Biggio was telling him that the throw was up the first base line and that he should slide to the outside of the plate. he did not tell him to run a semicircle first.

as stated previously, i would have sent him home also.
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« Reply #68 on: April 03, 2007, 04:21:31 pm »
I make no apologies to people who don't understand sportsmanship.  Yes, in this regard I am smarter and better.  I am not alone.

You can't cheer against your rivals?  You're only supposed to say, "yeah, go team" when anything happens?  It's grown men playing a game.  No one is booing little kids or the handicapped or someone's mom.  

I've never booed anyone in my life but if someone boos their rivals, big deal.  I'm certainly not going to cry "bad sportsmanship" every single time.  

Why do you even go to the games?  All I've ever seen you do is complain about the people who sit around you.    
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« Reply #69 on: April 03, 2007, 04:24:56 pm »
so, if Pujols hits a HR off Lidge, we should boo Pujols? why? because he was better than Lidge on that pitch? boo a guy for his excellence?
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« Reply #70 on: April 03, 2007, 04:29:05 pm »
You can't cheer against your rivals?  You're only supposed to say, "yeah, go team" when anything happens?  It's grown men playing a game.  No one is booing little kids or the handicapped or someone's mom.  

I've never booed anyone in my life but if someone boos their rivals, big deal.  I'm certainly not going to cry "bad sportsmanship" every single time.  

Why do you even go to the games?  All I've ever seen you do is complain about the people who sit around you.    

Concerning sportsmanship, if you were not raised to understand it, it's too late.  I'm certainly not going to waste my time explaining it to you.  As for the crowds at Astros games, the vast majority are idiots.  Pure and simple.   However, there is no other way to watch the game live.   Yes, I know, you would hate to be me.  I'm prepared to live with that.

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« Reply #71 on: April 03, 2007, 04:29:52 pm »
so, if Pujols hits a HR off Lidge, we should boo Pujols? why? because he was better than Lidge on that pitch? boo a guy for his excellence?

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Just out of curiosity ... If Pujols hits a homer off Lidge and people boo, how do we tell who<m> they are booing?

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« Reply #72 on: April 03, 2007, 04:34:01 pm »
so, if Pujols hits a HR off Lidge, we should boo Pujols? why? because he was better than Lidge on that pitch? boo a guy for his excellence?

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I'm not telling anyone what to do or what not to do.  That's the point.  I go to enjoy the game and the entertainment of it.  I do cheer my team.  I do clap and holler for the guys on my nine but it's certainly not up to me what some other dude is or isn't allowed to do.  And, I'm not going to call them names or act like I'm better than them because his wife isn't up to what my standard of a proper human being should or shouldn't act like.  

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« Reply #73 on: April 03, 2007, 04:35:53 pm »
Just out of curiosity ... If Pujols hits a homer off Lidge and people boo, how do we tell who<m> they are booing?

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excellent point. i'm just not much for booing anyone. i have booed calls at games, but i do not boo opponents no matter how big a rival they are.

i am a stickler for sportmanship, i guess. i would not allow my teams to talk smack to the other players or to yell at them in any way. my players could yell only for their teammates. that way of doing things was in the small minority of HS teams, i assure you.
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« Reply #74 on: April 03, 2007, 04:36:33 pm »
Just out of curiosity ... If Pujols hits a homer off Lidge and people boo, how do we tell who<m> they are booing?

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« Reply #75 on: April 03, 2007, 04:47:08 pm »
Booing is part of the ticket buying exprience I suppose and it goes with the territory.  But don't be upset that the players, in their luxury home could care less about our booing (I don't do it, but I use the proverbial "we" here... as in fan rights).  They don't care one iota.

Seems in that regard it is a meaningless gesture for the players, a cathartic exprience for the fans.  Better they boo, as illogical and ill informed as it may be, than kick the dog at home.  I'm not going to say I hate fans who boo at the game, even though I don't do it myself.  I will say I ignore them pretty much.

But if a player doesn't hustle or if an umpire is woefully out of position to make a call or just plain lazy (either the player or umpire), the urge to boo is there and I'll go ahead and participate.

That is waaaaay different than booing Prince Albert for doing his job though.  And Lidge did his job last night, he just got beat by Nady who somehow knew to swing his stick like a golf club (and so did Bay... odd, both men are not low ball hitters, both are notorious high strike zone mashers... hmmmmm... stealing signs or location?  If the Astros find out... and Ausmus is no dummy... someone is getting dotted tonight).  I didn't watch the game last night, may not tonight due to other more important matters in my life right now, but I did see the highlights early today.  I say give Lidge until the end of May (April if you're not the patient kind) to decide whether he's done or not.

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« Reply #76 on: April 03, 2007, 04:49:32 pm »
Concerning sportsmanship, if you were not raised to understand it, it's too late.  I'm certainly not going to waste my time explaining it to you.  As for the crowds at Astros games, the vast majority are idiots.  Pure and simple.   However, there is no other way to watch the game live.   Yes, I know, you would hate to be me.  I'm prepared to live with that.

You have no idea how was raised.  My dad was just about as hard on me as a dad can be.  If I wasn't a good sport, it was known and I never replicated that mistake.  I've played competitive sports my whole life so don't assume anything about me.  You'd be wrong.

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« Reply #77 on: April 03, 2007, 04:55:10 pm »
excellent point. i'm just not much for booing anyone. i have booed calls at games, but i do not boo opponents no matter how big a rival they are.

i am a stickler for sportmanship, i guess. i would not allow my teams to talk smack to the other players or to yell at them in any way. my players could yell only for their teammates. that way of doing things was in the small minority of HS teams, i assure you.

I will 100% of the time boo a lack of effort.  I will also boo Tommy Lasorda 100% of the time cause he's an asshole.
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« Reply #78 on: April 03, 2007, 04:56:41 pm »
I'm a big lidge supporter, but now i'm questioning whether he needs to be traded for his own sake.    It seems the vast majority of the city blames him for every thing wrong with the team and when they lose and he had only one part in it, they make him the scapegoat.   

I want him to turn it around but I can only imagine how hard it is knowing you are trying to fix your career and the majority of your home fans are expecting you to screw up and will pounce when you do.     

The talk radio callers have taken to referring to Lidge as "The David Carr of the Astros."
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« Reply #79 on: April 03, 2007, 05:07:32 pm »
You have no idea how was raised.  My dad was just about as hard on me as a dad can be.  If I wasn't a good sport, it was known and I never replicated that mistake.  I've played competitive sports my whole life so don't assume anything about me.  You'd be wrong.

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« Reply #80 on: April 03, 2007, 05:08:18 pm »
The talk radio callers have taken to referring to Lidge as "The David Carr of the Astros."

Ignoring the complete fallacy of this comparison, I did laugh at the reference of "Brad Hyung Kim" this morning.
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« Reply #81 on: April 03, 2007, 05:09:38 pm »
so, if Pujols hits a HR off Lidge, we should boo Pujols? why? because he was better than Lidge on that pitch? boo a guy for his excellence?


Point of order.  I agree with your premise, but reserve the right to boo Pooholes simply for drawing air into his lungs.  Being good at baseball and being a complete prick are not mutually exclusive.

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« Reply #82 on: April 03, 2007, 05:11:22 pm »
Point of order.  I agree with your premise, but reserve the right to boo Pooholes simply for drawing air into his lungs.  Being good at baseball and being a complete prick are not mutually exclusive.

Thank you.

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« Reply #83 on: April 03, 2007, 05:13:47 pm »
I think that Brad Lidge is the David Carr of the astros in the fans mind. Anything less than stellar results and he's going to get boo's rained down on him. If that was the context then I agree. If not- disregard my post as I didn't hear the comment live.


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You have me there.  I was taught to respect the competition, no one said anything about smirking assholes.


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« Reply #85 on: April 04, 2007, 11:50:47 am »
I think that Brad Lidge is the David Carr of the astros in the fans mind. Anything less than stellar results and he's going to get boo's rained down on him. If that was the context then I agree. If not- disregard my post as I didn't hear the comment live.



The big difference is that Lidge has had some success--even being considered to be the best as his position by some.  Carr has never been considered the best at anything other than duck-and-run, maybe.
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Re: I feel strangely good
« Reply #86 on: April 04, 2007, 12:03:06 pm »
I'd like to see any QB NOT duck and run behind that offensive line. 
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