Red Sox pay 51.1 mil to talk to Boras

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this is just crazy. Matsuzaka wants a deal similar to oswalt's, which would but the total spending at about 120-125 million for 5 years of a player thats never thrown a pitch in the mlb.

jesus christ

[JimR]

*crickets chirping*

[austro]

Does anybody know if the $50M+ counts against their payroll (for luxury tax purposes) next year, or amortized over the life of whatever contract they agree to, or at all?

[MusicMan]

Posting fees do not count in payroll at any time for purpose of calculating the luxury tax.

[Browneye]

You know if any other team besides the Yankees or Redsox had done this, the so called analysts would be saying how stupid this kind of deal is. We all know that this is the dumbest thing a team could do, but its the fact that the east coast media is saying nothing about what should be so clear. Could you imagine what they would be saying if the Rangers had done this? But no its the Redsox.

Mike and Mike in the morning had a list of all the top pitchers in baseball who, combined, would cost less than the 51 million for next year. It was something like 5 top starters and 5 top relievers.

[S.P. Rodriguez]

This guy better be damn good for $51.1 mil.  I just can't see this as a wise investment unless predictions are correct and this guy is a wunderkind.  There are more reasons for this ridiculous bid to have the rights to this player.  The obvious benefit is blocking the Yanks, if the Yankees were actually interested.  There is the flip side to that, the Yankees duped the Red Sox into spending money, on a player that the Yankees really didn't want, and now won't pose a challenge when the Yankees target their real FA pitching choice.

[pravata]

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You know if any other team besides the Yankees or Redsox had done this, the so called analysts would be saying how stupid this kind of deal is. We all know that this is the dumbest thing a team could do, but its the fact that the east coast media is saying nothing about what should be so clear. Could you imagine what they would be saying if the Rangers had done this? But no its the Redsox.

Mike and Mike in the morning had a list of all the top pitchers in baseball who, combined, would cost less than the 51 million for next year. It was something like 5 top starters and 5 top relievers.

I saw that Tampa Bay made a bid.

[Browneye]

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You know if any other team besides the Yankees or Redsox had done this, the so called analysts would be saying how stupid this kind of deal is. We all know that this is the dumbest thing a team could do, but its the fact that the east coast media is saying nothing about what should be so clear. Could you imagine what they would be saying if the Rangers had done this? But no its the Redsox.

Mike and Mike in the morning had a list of all the top pitchers in baseball who, combined, would cost less than the 51 million for next year. It was something like 5 top starters and 5 top relievers.

I saw that Tampa Bay made a bid.

Maybe he has a ranch outside Tampa.

[Gizzmonic]

$51 million, yikes...but then again, the Red Sox don't have much starting pitching.  Are they going to try to stretch out Papelbon as a starter, or do they want him to stay in the closer role?

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this is just crazy. Matsuzaka wants a deal similar to oswalt's, which would but the total spending at about 120-125 million for 5 years of a player thats never thrown a pitch in the mlb.

jesus christ

[Browneye]

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$51 million, yikes...but then again, the Red Sox don't have much starting pitching.  Are they going to try to stretch out Papelbon as a starter, or do they want him to stay in the closer role?

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this is just crazy. Matsuzaka wants a deal similar to oswalt's, which would but the total spending at about 120-125 million for 5 years of a player thats never thrown a pitch in the mlb.

jesus christ

What, havent you heard? Clemens is going to pitch for the Sox this year.

The Boston people are all ready talking about their great rotation.

Matsuzaka
Schilling
Clemens
Clement
Papplebon

All they have to do is get the Matsuzaka guy to pitch in the majors, Clemens past his .1% and make Papplebon a productive starter after his injury. Thats solid boys!!!

[austro]

And hope that the 40-year-old Schilling doesn't break down.

[Bench]

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$51 million, yikes...but then again, the Red Sox don't have much starting pitching.  Are they going to try to stretch out Papelbon as a starter, or do they want him to stay in the closer role?

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The Link

this is just crazy. Matsuzaka wants a deal similar to oswalt's, which would but the total spending at about 120-125 million for 5 years of a player thats never thrown a pitch in the mlb.

jesus christ

What, havent you heard? Clemens is going to pitch for the Sox this year.

The Boston people are all ready talking about their great rotation.

Matsuzaka
Schilling
Clemens
Clement
Papplebon

All they have to do is get the Matsuzaka guy to pitch in the majors, Clemens past his .1% and make Papplebon a productive starter after his injury. Thats solid boys!!!

So would Josh Beckett be the new super-closer?

[Browneye]

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$51 million, yikes...but then again, the Red Sox don't have much starting pitching.  Are they going to try to stretch out Papelbon as a starter, or do they want him to stay in the closer role?

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The Link

this is just crazy. Matsuzaka wants a deal similar to oswalt's, which would but the total spending at about 120-125 million for 5 years of a player thats never thrown a pitch in the mlb.

jesus christ

What, havent you heard? Clemens is going to pitch for the Sox this year.

The Boston people are all ready talking about their great rotation.

Matsuzaka
Schilling
Clemens
Clement
Papplebon

All they have to do is get the Matsuzaka guy to pitch in the majors, Clemens past his .1% and make Papplebon a productive starter after his injury. Thats solid boys!!!

So would Josh Beckett be the new super-closer?

No, he will be Matsuzaka's new translater.

[hostros7]

Despite all the other ridiculous facts to point out and the implausibility of that rotation coming to fruition, if you ballpark the compensation it will take to field that pitching staff next year, you are looking at over $100 million.  That's $100 million for a guy who has never pitched in the MLB and 2 quadragenerians.

[Danimal]

Seems like some people understand what that 50 mil is for and some don't... Matsuzaka hasn't signed with anyone. That 50 mil is merely for the right to *talk* to him about a possible contract. I believe that goes to whoever his club in Japan is. The Red Sox have to pay that 50 mil to his club to just enter discussions with him, then they have to pay whatever contract they agree on with him. Is that the way it works? Insane...

[hostros7]

I think the Red Sox only drop the $51 mil if they actually sign him.  His Japanese team will receive that money, while he receives his contract money.  If no deal is made, the Red Sox pay nothing.  If a deal is made, the Red Sox will have paid the $51 million (to Japanese club) plus what some are projecting to be a 5 yr/$75 mm contract.  A pretty big check for the Red Sox to write.

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I think the Red Sox only drop the $51 mil if they actually sign him.  His Japanese team will receive that money, while he receives his contract money.  If no deal is made, the Red Sox pay nothing.  If a deal is made, the Red Sox will have paid the $51 million (to Japanese club) plus what some are projecting to be a 5 yr/$75 mm contract.  A pretty big check for the Red Sox to write.

Yeah thats pretty much it. The japanese team that gets this money will be able to pay its salaries for the next several years on this money alone.

[schlumburger04]

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You know if any other team besides the Yankees or Redsox had done this, the so called analysts would be saying how stupid this kind of deal is. We all know that this is the dumbest thing a team could do, but its the fact that the east coast media is saying nothing about what should be so clear. Could you imagine what they would be saying if the Rangers had done this? But no its the Redsox.

Mike and Mike in the morning had a list of all the top pitchers in baseball who, combined, would cost less than the 51 million for next year. It was something like 5 top starters and 5 top relievers.

I saw that Tampa Bay made a bid.

Speaking of tampa bay, they actually won the bid for the japanese 3b we talked about the other day. I find that kind of funny