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« on: October 28, 2005, 11:14:28 am »
espn.com has the full list of potential free agents this winter.  Some interesting names there, but none that seem to me to beckon the Astros.

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« Reply #1 on: October 28, 2005, 11:23:17 am »
BJ Ryan wouldn't be a horrible pickup...

But he is gonna want closer money, and I'd much prefer him as a lefty specialist.
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« Reply #2 on: October 28, 2005, 11:27:17 am »
Wow!  That's a huge pile of "No thanks".  Very few peanuts in that turd, and nothing over which I'd get into a bidding war.  'Cept Brad Ausmus...right Budgirl?

Honestly, nothing there that you could see supplanting the incumbent Astro except for Furcal; and I can't stand that little fuck.  Maybe Drayton and The Count had already perused this list before they announced an unchanging payroll for 2006.
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« Reply #3 on: October 28, 2005, 11:32:57 am »
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Wow!  That's a huge pile of "No thanks".  Very few peanuts in that turd, and nothing over which I'd get into a bidding war.  'Cept Brad Ausmus...right Budgirl?

Honestly, nothing there that you could see supplanting the incumbent Astro except for Furcal; and I can't stand that little fuck.  Maybe Drayton and The Count had already perused this list before they announced an unchanging payroll for 2006.





I agree.  My thoughts were more toward relievers and maybe a starter, esp if Clemens doesn't return.

It looks like, if Drayton wants an upgrade in the field he'll have to do so via trade.  It'd be real nice if Bagwell could give a yea or nay before December, but that's not going to happen.
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« Reply #4 on: October 28, 2005, 11:34:56 am »
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BJ Ryan wouldn't be a horrible pickup...

But he is gonna want closer money, and I'd much prefer him as a lefty specialist.





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« Reply #5 on: October 28, 2005, 11:36:48 am »
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I agree.  My thoughts were more toward relievers and maybe a starter, esp if Clemens doesn't return.

It looks like, if Drayton wants an upgrade in the field he'll have to do so via trade.  It'd be real nice if Bagwell could give a yea or nay before December, but that's not going to happen.




I don't think a decision's going to be made on Bagwell until Spring Training at the earliest.  Starting rotation is likely to be Pettitte, Oswalt, Backe, Rodriguez, Astacio.  I agree that they'll pick up a couple of relievers, probably via the invitation to ST route as none of the big guns are going anywhere.
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« Reply #6 on: October 28, 2005, 11:37:29 am »
or that mythical extra bat...the one who can hit on command and play a mean d.
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« Reply #7 on: October 28, 2005, 11:42:16 am »
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or that mythical extra bat...the one who can hit on command and play a mean d.




...and we can get him for Burke, straight up.
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« Reply #8 on: October 28, 2005, 11:59:12 am »
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or that mythical extra bat...the one who can hit on command and play a mean d.




And take the 4th outfielder spot if Bagwell is able to play.

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« Reply #9 on: October 28, 2005, 12:06:55 pm »
What are yall talking about?

Sosa is the bat and corner outfielder that we need to shore up this lineup, Nomar as an upgrade over Everett at short, and Lidge is done and we can sign a lock down closer in Farnsworth.  

oh fuck, then we'd have the cubs

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« Reply #10 on: October 28, 2005, 12:10:43 pm »
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What are yall talking about?

Sosa is the bat and corner outfielder that we need to shore up this lineup, Nomar as an upgrade over Everett at short, and Lidge is done and we can sign a lock down closer in Farnsworth.  

oh fuck, then we'd have the cubs





What the Astros have to do is pry away that clutch hitter guy, you know the one, what's his name, the one guy who was the essential piece that helped his team get to the World Series this season?  Damn memory, what's his name...

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« Reply #11 on: October 28, 2005, 12:13:05 pm »
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What are yall talking about?

Sosa is the bat and corner outfielder that we need to shore up this lineup, Nomar as an upgrade over Everett at short, and Lidge is done and we can sign a lock down closer in Farnsworth.  

oh fuck, then we'd have the cubs





What the Astros have to do is pry away that clutch hitter guy, you know the one, what's his name, the one guy who was the essential piece that helped his team get to the World Series this season?  Damn memory, what's his name...





You must mean Carl Everett.
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« Reply #12 on: October 28, 2005, 12:14:07 pm »
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What are yall talking about?

Sosa is the bat and corner outfielder that we need to shore up this lineup, Nomar as an upgrade over Everett at short, and Lidge is done and we can sign a lock down closer in Farnsworth.  

oh fuck, then we'd have the cubs





What the Astros have to do is pry away that clutch hitter guy, you know the one, what's his name, the one guy who was the essential piece that helped his team get to the World Series this season?  Damn memory, what's his name...




You must mean Carl Everett.




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« Reply #13 on: October 28, 2005, 12:16:48 pm »
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What the Astros have to do is pry away that clutch hitter guy, you know the one, what's his name, the one guy who was the essential piece that helped his team get to the World Series this season?  Damn memory, what's his name...




I think the name you're looking for is Jeff Bloom.
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« Reply #14 on: October 28, 2005, 12:46:09 pm »
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I think the name you're looking for is Jeff Bloom.




Or maybe Geoff Blum?
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« Reply #15 on: October 28, 2005, 01:00:19 pm »
Why is the team so in love with Adam Everett?  He can't hit to save his life!  Furcal would be an upgrade in hitting, defense, and speed.  As for starting pitching, I have 2 initials for you: A.J. (Burnett)

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« Reply #16 on: October 28, 2005, 01:17:25 pm »
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Why is the team so in love with Adam Everett?  He can't hit to save his life!  Furcal would be an upgrade in hitting, defense, and speed.  As for starting pitching, I have 2 initials for you: A.J. (Burnett)




Furcal would not be an upgrade in defense.  In addition, there were times this season Everett hit the ball very well.  A.J. Burnett might be an option but, he'll be expensive. One complicating factor is that he's not the kind of player the Astros generally take on.  The Marlins kicked him out of the clubhouse for being an ass.  I don't think he fits as an Astro.   Cubs and Cardinals seem to be interested though.

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« Reply #17 on: October 28, 2005, 01:42:57 pm »
I would like to have John Olreud on our bench.
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« Reply #18 on: October 28, 2005, 01:49:12 pm »
Here's an interesting site that culls trade rumors from newspapers, sorted by team

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« Reply #19 on: October 28, 2005, 01:49:13 pm »
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I would like to have John Olreud on our bench.




for how much?
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« Reply #20 on: October 28, 2005, 01:58:41 pm »
I thought about that but olerud give us no versatility.  We already have seen elvis, bagwell, lamb, viz (if he doesn't retire), ausmus and chamo play 1B this season.  Probably the LAST position we need to add at

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« Reply #21 on: October 28, 2005, 02:00:10 pm »
Olerud made about $750K with the Red Sox in 2005.  About 10% of what made in 2004.  His production was still pretty decent (.281, 7HR, 37 RBI in 173 ABs), but he spent a stretch on the DL for a bad hammy in August.  

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« Reply #22 on: October 28, 2005, 02:00:36 pm »
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I would like to have John Olreud on our bench.




for how much?





He only made $316,000 this year according to this link:

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We payed OP 800k this year and Lamb 1.3 mill. I could see paying Olreud around a mill. He is a helluva defensive guy at 1st to go with his stick.
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« Reply #23 on: October 28, 2005, 02:09:29 pm »
Olerud was on a split contract with a ML salary of $750K, but started out at Pawtucket for the Sox.  He stayed there until the end of May.  I guess the $316K is the pro-rated portion of the $750K he actually recieved.
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« Reply #24 on: October 28, 2005, 02:29:35 pm »
Minutia alert!  Was there ever any reason given behind Damon wearing an Astros Wildcard hat after the Redsox clinched thier WC.
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« Reply #25 on: October 28, 2005, 02:34:38 pm »
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Minutia alert!  Was there ever any reason given behind Damon wearing an Astros Wildcard hat after the Redsox clinched thier WC.




Yes, shipping error.  Red Sox caps went to Houston, Astros caps ended up in Boston.  Lots of Red Sox where wearing them.  I heard some Astros had on Red Sox caps too.

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« Reply #26 on: October 28, 2005, 02:44:42 pm »
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I think the name you're looking for is Jeff Bloom.




Or maybe Geoff Blum?





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« Reply #27 on: October 28, 2005, 06:43:09 pm »
For all those RCAP fans out there that love offensive catchers, Bengie Molina filed for free agency.

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« Reply #28 on: October 28, 2005, 06:47:31 pm »
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 A.J. Burnett might be an option but, he'll be expensive. One complicating factor is that he's not the kind of player the Astros generally take on.  The Marlins kicked him out of the clubhouse for being an ass.  I don't think he fits as an Astro.   Cubs and Cardinals seem to be interested though.




If Clemens is gone, that's 18M freed up from payroll, or am I mistaken?

The Astros could do a lot with that.
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« Reply #29 on: October 28, 2005, 06:49:45 pm »
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 A.J. Burnett might be an option but, he'll be expensive. One complicating factor is that he's not the kind of player the Astros generally take on.  The Marlins kicked him out of the clubhouse for being an ass.  I don't think he fits as an Astro.   Cubs and Cardinals seem to be interested though.




If Clemens is gone, that's 18M freed up from payroll, or am I mistaken?

The Astros could do a lot with that.





18 million and 22 dollars.  But there's a list somewhere of what raises are due.

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« Reply #30 on: October 30, 2005, 01:43:44 am »
  Yeah the Bagwell situation would be nice to know about.  My pipedream is to grab Konerko and keep Berkman in left. If somehow we had the money freed up ahead of time, and we could even afford him with said money that was freed up,  and he wanted to come here.. etc..

   Taveras, Biggio, Berkman, Konerko, Ensberg, Lane, Everett,  Ausmus.


   We have our strong defense up the middle, but have to keep Berkman in left.  I just think if Berkman can get back near to what he was range wise before the injury,  we shouldn't necessarily pigeon hole him into first base post Bagwell.   If we can find a strong hitting corner outfielder, then yeah, move Berkman to first.  But if we leave the option open of keeping Berkman in left for a few more years, we could open up our "bat search" to include first basemen as well.   Not to mention slugging 1st basemen usually come a little cheaper.  This way we still keep defense the priority up the middle for the future with Everett-Burke-Willy, and as always our catch first catcher.   That being said, outside of Konerko and Giles there ain't shit this year.

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« Reply #31 on: October 30, 2005, 03:28:13 am »
By slugging first baseman, i hope you don't mean Konerko.  The only diff between him and Beltran of last year is that Konerko actually got the ring.  Some team, most likely LAA, will over pay for him and get screwed.

Keep the option of Berkman in the OF just that, an option.  Our first choice should be to keep him at 1B and look for a slugging outfielder (i still like Griffey, even if he gets hurt... put him in left in MMP and he won't have to run too much).

Anyone have an idea of who we can get as a SP to replace Clemens?

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« Reply #32 on: October 30, 2005, 01:39:52 pm »
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By slugging first baseman, i hope you don't mean Konerko. The only diff between him and Beltran of last year is that Konerko actually got the ring...




Are you high?   Konerko has back to back 40 HR seasons while Beltran has never gotten 30.   Konerko's history isn't spotless by far but it looks more certain than Beltran's "paying for potential" did.    I have no problem not overpaying for him, but if you are looking for a better hitter that is going to play the outfield he will be more expensive.   If we can get by with Bags playing this season, maybe there is a better crop of OF and 1st basemen to look at lower prices than Konerko, Giles etc..

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« Reply #33 on: October 30, 2005, 02:34:58 pm »
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Beltran has never gotten 30.  




Beltran had 38 in 2004, where were you?
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« Reply #34 on: October 30, 2005, 04:22:35 pm »
Depending on what the Bagwell situation is, I'd like to have Twinkie at first and Adam Dunn in OF.  Of course, the problem with that is he is not a Free Agent.  So who would we have to give up to get him?
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« Reply #35 on: October 30, 2005, 04:31:43 pm »
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Depending on what the Bagwell situation is, I'd like to have Twinkie at first and Adam Dunn in OF.  Of course, the problem with that is he is not a Free Agent.  So who would we have to give up to get him?




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« Reply #36 on: October 30, 2005, 04:40:24 pm »
Any idea which arms we'd have to surrender?  If Rocket doesn't come back, then our 5 man rotation is looking like Oswalt, Pettitte, Backe, Rodriguez and Astacio.  Pettitte's contract isn't lasting much longer, but I hope when the time comes he resigns.  So who do you think they'd want?
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« Reply #37 on: October 31, 2005, 12:05:02 am »
I still think Konerko is overrated.  He will have the same sitch as Beltran did... going from a small park (MMP) to a big one (Shea) and not hitting as many homeruns... that is, if he doesn't resign with the White Sox.

As for pitching, I hope Taylor Bucholz lives up to the potential, b/c I don't like Wandy and Astacio.  I also hope that Troy Patton becomes a badass... otherwise, with our minor league system, we may be short

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« Reply #38 on: October 31, 2005, 12:15:05 am »
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Beltran had 38 in 2004, where were you?





I assume he's looking at the split stats since the AL homeruns he had in KC aren't counted in his NL total.
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« Reply #39 on: October 31, 2005, 09:37:34 am »
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As for pitching, I hope Taylor Bucholz lives up to the potential, b/c I don't like Wandy and Astacio.  I also hope that Troy Patton becomes a badass... otherwise, with our minor league system, we may be short




I don't know about your minor league system, but the Astros minor league system is pretty loaded with arms.
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« Reply #40 on: October 31, 2005, 09:50:03 am »
No takers on Brian Giles?

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« Reply #41 on: October 31, 2005, 10:34:48 am »
He's 34, so there's that.  

One would assume he's on the decline.  How many years/$$ do you give him.

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« Reply #42 on: October 31, 2005, 05:00:51 pm »
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He's 34, so there's that.




Jeff Kent was 35 on opening day 2003.  Giles will be 35 on opening day 2006.

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One would assume he's on the decline.  How many years/$$ do you give him.




His power numbers are down (probably partially due to playing in a pitcher's park the last two seasons), but he's still a patient, productive hitter that doesn't have many strikeouts.  I don't know if his defense has suffered as a result of his age, but at his best he is capable of playing any of the outfield positions.

I think he is worth at least Kent-type money, but not much more than that.

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« Reply #43 on: October 31, 2005, 09:04:12 pm »
I know this is pure lazyness on my part, but could we get the link to the list of free agents stickied up at the top of the page.  I reckon we will be looking for it pretty often the next 4 or 5 months.
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« Reply #44 on: October 31, 2005, 09:14:12 pm »
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Some team, most likely LAA, will over pay for him and get screwed.



Riiiight... the Angels already have veteran Darren Erstad and uber-prospect Casey Kotchmann at 1B, but they're going to overpay for Konerko.

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« Reply #45 on: October 31, 2005, 09:55:08 pm »
Dude... Easy... i was quoting what ESPN was saying... maybe they have plans on moving Konerko to DH (he's not the best defensive 1B in the world)

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« Reply #46 on: November 01, 2005, 01:15:28 pm »
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Why is the team so in love with Adam Everett?  He can't hit to save his life!  Furcal would be an upgrade in hitting, defense, and speed.  As for starting pitching, I have 2 initials for you: A.J. (Burnett)




Furcal would not be an upgrade in defense.  In addition, there were times this season Everett hit the ball very well.  A.J. Burnett might be an option but, he'll be expensive. One complicating factor is that he's not the kind of player the Astros generally take on.  The Marlins kicked him out of the clubhouse for being an ass.  I don't think he fits as an Astro.   Cubs and Cardinals seem to be interested though.





The Astro clubhouse has been able to take in problem child players and make them team players. See aforementioned Everett, Carl.
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« Reply #47 on: November 01, 2005, 01:17:47 pm »
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Why is the team so in love with Adam Everett?  He can't hit to save his life!  Furcal would be an upgrade in hitting, defense, and speed.  As for starting pitching, I have 2 initials for you: A.J. (Burnett)




Furcal would not be an upgrade in defense.  In addition, there were times this season Everett hit the ball very well.  A.J. Burnett might be an option but, he'll be expensive. One complicating factor is that he's not the kind of player the Astros generally take on.  The Marlins kicked him out of the clubhouse for being an ass.  I don't think he fits as an Astro.   Cubs and Cardinals seem to be interested though.




The Astro clubhouse has been able to take in problem child players and make them team players. See aforementioned Everett, Carl.




 But see Meluskey, Mitch.
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Why is the team so in love with Adam Everett?  He can't hit to save his life!  Furcal would be an upgrade in hitting, defense, and speed.  As for starting pitching, I have 2 initials for you: A.J. (Burnett)




Furcal would not be an upgrade in defense.  In addition, there were times this season Everett hit the ball very well.  A.J. Burnett might be an option but, he'll be expensive. One complicating factor is that he's not the kind of player the Astros generally take on.  The Marlins kicked him out of the clubhouse for being an ass.  I don't think he fits as an Astro.   Cubs and Cardinals seem to be interested though.




The Astro clubhouse has been able to take in problem child players and make them team players. See aforementioned Everett, Carl.




 But see Meluskey, Mitch.




I don't think Burnett would be a Meluskey. Kerfeld might be a more appropriate comparison. Having said that, I don't think the Astros should waste their time. I think 2006 could be Astacio's coming-out year. He'll probably be in the rotation with or without Roger.

Obviously, the biggest need is offense (i.e. clutch hitting). Free Agency will likely produce nothing in that regard. Maybe Giles, but my guess is that a trade is more likely. Hopefully without the Beltran freeze, though, this will be a more interesting off-season than last year.
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