Scoring Q

[Knoxbanedoodle]

Albert Pujols just made the second out of the inning at third base after earlier reaching on a dropped third strike. If runs score, will they be earned or unearned? I’m always confused about the rules concerning plays involving wild pitches and passed balls and the like, not errors technically but...

ETA: he’d reached on a wild pitch strike 3.
ETAA: can a player be counted as an out twice in one inning, or does the actual out made just rectify the initial mistake? FWIW, I don’t think Semien makes an out on the grounder if Pujols isn’t chugging to third. I think he pockets it and there’s runners on first and second. But I did have a lot of fucking coffee today.

[HudsonHawk]

Runners reaching or advancing on wild pitches are earned, but on passed balls are unearned. So unless there is another out that is missed, Runs would be earned.

To your second question, a player who reaches on an error and is subsequently retired doesn’t negate the error for figuring earned runs. The scorer reconstructs the inning without the error or passed ball, and if a runner would not have scored with errorless play, his run is unearned.

[Duman]

But there is a scorers option to still count it as a run, though it is rarely utilized:

(d) No run shall be earned when the scoring runner’s advance has been aided by an error, a passed ball or defensive interference or obstruction, if in the official scorer’s judgment the run would not have scored without the aid of such misplay.

[HudsonHawk]

But there is a scorers option to still count it as a run, though it is rarely utilized:

(d) No run shall be earned when the scoring runner’s advance has been aided by an error, a passed ball or defensive interference or obstruction, if in the official scorer’s judgment the run would not have scored without the aid of such misplay.

All runs count, whether earned or unearned.  If you meant that the scorer has discretion to count it as an earned run, I'm not sure what you're getting at.  The scoring rules are pretty clear.   

[Duman]

All runs count, whether earned or unearned.  If you meant that the scorer has discretion to count it as an earned run, I'm not sure what you're getting at.  The scoring rules are pretty clear.

Yes, I meant as an earned run. 

When I did some minor league scoring, their old dos based software package would often ask is the run earned when a situation arose that gave the score keeper some discretion.  I never understood why it was asking the question until I found that section in the rule book.   I never used any discretion. 

[HudsonHawk]

Yes, I meant as an earned run. 

When I did some minor league scoring, their old dos based software package would often ask is the run earned when a situation arose that gave the score keeper some discretion.  I never understood why it was asking the question until I found that section in the rule book.   I never used any discretion.

I guess I'm still not following you.  A scorer always has discretion as to whether or not something is a hit or an error, and often has discretion as to how far a runner would have advanced without said error.  But the rules are clear about determining earned runs after reaching or advancing on errors and passed balls vs reaching and advancing on hits, walks, wild pitches, etc once those scoring decisions have been made