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« on: May 03, 2017, 10:43:04 am »
One of my unrealized goals was to work in a front office on the baseball side and to participate in putting a roster together. I came close once, but my scout friend, who was my ticket to a job like this, turned down an Assistant GM job and decided to remain a scout. How dare he!

I think construction of this roster has been magnificent.  Sure we may need another starter and a cure for Sipp, but the non-pitcher roster so far may be the best I have seen. No matter who Hinch runs out there, the lineup 1-9 has no weak links. Even Marisnick is hitting some, and he is invaluable as a defender. Rallies can break out anywhere, and the team is not dependent on any one player or on the middle of the order. Pitching against it is a chore.

I looked superficially at the 1986 and 1998 teams to test my belief in the 1-9 toughness of this lineup and think I am correct so far. 1986 for sure. The team had only one .300 hitter (Walling) and was a solid lineup but also had Ashby, pre-All Star Thon/Reynolds, Hatcher, and Doran. Solid players all but not the tough outs 2017 has, imo.

1998 was a powerful team. Alou, Bagwell, and Bell drove in more than 100 runs each, and there were five .300 hitters (Berry as a sub plus four starters) and Everett at .296.  The lineup also had Ausmus, though, backed up by Eusebio, and Gutierrez/Bogar at SS.  This team set the bar high for a power-laden offense, but it was not a tough out 1-9, imo.

I know it is only early May, and I may be quite wrong, but thus far I am giving Luhnow a standing O.
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« Reply #1 on: May 03, 2017, 11:39:50 am »
I've been following Houston baseball as long as you and I agree. Great roster. Starting pitching is somewhat of a concern but the offensive, so far, as been able to overcome their short-comings. The ability of this team to overcome deficits is amazing.

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« Reply #2 on: May 03, 2017, 11:58:19 am »
Hey!  Doran was a tough out.   (How's that for nitpicking?!?)

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« Reply #3 on: May 03, 2017, 12:30:13 pm »
What's amazing me is this team's ability to overcome adversity.

Mike Fiers has been one of the worst pitchers in baseball.
Our number 3 starter hasn't pitched.
Correa, Beltran, and Bregman haven't hit a lick.
Our leading hitters are Marwin and Marisnick.

... and yet we have the best record in baseball.


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« Reply #4 on: May 04, 2017, 05:21:11 am »
Agree with you on the construction of the team, Jim. I have also been very impressed with Hinch's lineup builds each day. He has such a tough task keeping everyone fresh and organized in a way to maximize lineup potential against various pitchers and defenses and minimize holes during individual mini-slumps. He's really been quite masterful.
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« Reply #5 on: May 04, 2017, 05:35:31 am »
Agree with you on the construction of the team, Jim. I have also been very impressed with Hinch's lineup builds each day. He has such a tough task keeping everyone fresh and organized in a way to maximize lineup potential against various pitchers and defenses and minimize holes during individual mini-slumps. He's really been quite masterful.

I think  the same, das. Hinch is a really good manager, and I enjoy his analysis each night on the post-game show.
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« Reply #6 on: May 04, 2017, 09:14:33 am »
Hey!  Doran was a tough out.   (How's that for nitpicking?!?)

And Ausmus in the late 90s was really good at getting on base.  I'd say a .360 OBP from your #8 or 9 hitter is a tough out.

Alou, Bagwell, Biggio, Spiers/Berry, Everett/Hidalgo, Derek Bell in an even year, Ausmus (.360 OBP), and Gutierrez (.340 OBP)

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« Reply #7 on: May 04, 2017, 12:47:58 pm »
And Ausmus in the late 90s was really good at getting on base.  I'd say a .360 OBP from your #8 or 9 hitter is a tough out.

Alou, Bagwell, Biggio, Spiers/Berry, Everett/Hidalgo, Derek Bell in an even year, Ausmus (.360 OBP), and Gutierrez (.340 OBP)

Only for that 98 team, which is still the best Astros team assembled.


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« Reply #8 on: May 04, 2017, 01:09:55 pm »
Only for that 98 team, which is still the best Astros team assembled.


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Kevin Bass was pretty damn great in '86, too... but yeah, that offense in 1998 was insane. I don't think anyone on the 2017 team can quite compare to what Bagwell and Alou did that year. But this lineup is probably deeper 1-9, as Jim said.

And it's a fun team to watch.
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« Reply #9 on: May 05, 2017, 02:30:37 pm »
I think  the same, das. Hinch is a really good manager, and I enjoy his analysis each night on the post-game show.

+1 Hinch is a very good skipper.
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« Reply #10 on: May 06, 2017, 02:26:28 am »
Fucking shit, this team is fun.

Also anyone who thinks  Devo should start is insane.
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« Reply #11 on: May 06, 2017, 11:11:32 am »
Fucking shit, this team is fun.

Also anyone who thinks  Devo should start is insane.

Devo for closer?  He could just get the three inning save every time.

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« Reply #12 on: May 06, 2017, 03:26:11 pm »
The team could have been better if Hinch had given more at bats to Gattis (or Gonzalez) and fewer to Beltran. Beltran's production compared to that of Gattis and Gonzalez does not justify the discrepancy between their respective at bat totals. For example, Gattis has 6 more rbis in 40 fewer at bats. Gattis' obp is 100 points better and his ops is 200 points better than Beltran. Beltran has a strike out to walk ratio of 10 to 1. Gattis' and Gonzalez' combined strike out to walk ratio is 1.5 to 1.  Continuing to give Beltran at bats at the expense of Gattis/Gonzalez at bats is not supportable in the context of trying to win baseball games. 
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« Reply #13 on: May 06, 2017, 03:34:15 pm »
So far this season, the King has been much more selective at the plate. Prior to this season, he averaged 1 walk every 20 at bats. This season the ratio is 1 to 6. This may be a significant contributing factor in his improved power and run production.
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« Reply #14 on: May 06, 2017, 04:34:12 pm »
The team could have been better if Hinch had given more at bats to Gattis (or Gonzalez) and fewer to Beltran. Beltran's production compared to that of Gattis and Gonzalez does not justify the discrepancy between their respective at bat totals. For example, Gattis has 6 more rbis in 40 fewer at bats. Gattis' obp is 100 points better and his ops is 200 points better than Beltran. Beltran has a strike out to walk ratio of 10 to 1. Gattis' and Gonzalez' combined strike out to walk ratio is 1.5 to 1.  Continuing to give Beltran at bats at the expense of Gattis/Gonzalez at bats is not supportable in the context of trying to win baseball games.

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« Reply #15 on: May 06, 2017, 04:58:59 pm »
The team could have been better if Hinch had given more at bats to Gattis (or Gonzalez) and fewer to Beltran. Beltran's production compared to that of Gattis and Gonzalez does not justify the discrepancy between their respective at bat totals. For example, Gattis has 6 more rbis in 40 fewer at bats. Gattis' obp is 100 points better and his ops is 200 points better than Beltran. Beltran has a strike out to walk ratio of 10 to 1. Gattis' and Gonzalez' combined strike out to walk ratio is 1.5 to 1.  Continuing to give Beltran at bats at the expense of Gattis/Gonzalez at bats is not supportable in the context of trying to win baseball games.
It's a long season and you can expect contributions from all three of the above mentions. Hinch knows these guys far better than any outside observer and so far the team's record reflects that he is doing well managing the line-up. Random stats don't take into account game situations. Analytics is just one part of in-game management. Anyone can look a stats and draw conclusions.
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« Reply #16 on: May 06, 2017, 08:12:50 pm »
I don't watch PTI too much these days but the other day one of the regulars wondered if the Astros were the best team in the AL?  I thought damn, we must be doing pretty good if they even remember we are in the league.
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« Reply #17 on: May 06, 2017, 11:24:48 pm »
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« Reply #18 on: May 11, 2017, 02:59:28 pm »
What's the latest on McHugh ?
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« Reply #20 on: May 11, 2017, 03:07:18 pm »
What's the latest on McHugh ?

I haven't seen any updates since last Friday, but they were saying he would be throwing every other day for the first week to start with.  At this point I think no news is good news.

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« Reply #21 on: May 11, 2017, 03:11:28 pm »
Tonight should be fun

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« Reply #22 on: May 11, 2017, 03:11:57 pm »
I haven't seen any updates since last Friday, but they were saying he would be throwing every other day for the first week to start with.  At this point I think no news is good news.

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« Reply #23 on: May 11, 2017, 05:08:43 pm »
What's the latest on McHugh ?

As of last week he was not doing anything more than soft toss. I doubt we see him before All-Star Break if then.

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« Reply #24 on: May 11, 2017, 05:14:59 pm »
That inside-out action on the outside corner is filthy.

I don't remember seeing that sort of arm side run on his change on a regular basis. The slider and how he controls it, keeps it down, sure. If he can run his change like that and control it and then pair it with that slider he will be damn near unhittable.
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« Reply #25 on: May 12, 2017, 07:00:39 am »
What's the latest on McHugh ?

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« Reply #26 on: May 12, 2017, 12:23:40 pm »
The only thing that keeps me up at night regarding this team is the thought of running Giles out there to close out big games for the team come playoff time. 

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« Reply #27 on: May 12, 2017, 12:55:53 pm »
The only thing that keeps me up at night regarding this team is the thought of running Giles out there to close out big games for the team come playoff time.

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« Reply #29 on: May 16, 2017, 12:47:23 pm »
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« Reply #30 on: May 16, 2017, 02:11:17 pm »
Pete Rose is on board:

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« Reply #33 on: May 16, 2017, 03:43:30 pm »
Fuck Pete Rose

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« Reply #34 on: May 16, 2017, 04:13:22 pm »
In 2016, when trailing after 6 innings, the Astros started the year 0-25.  They ended the year 7-62.   
In 2017, they've already won more such games than they did all of last year.  They are 8-8 when trailing after 6 innings. 

Obviously a small sample size, as even the best teams each season have horrible records when trailing after 6 (last year's Cubs were 11-41).   So while regression to the mean will happen sooner or later, I love that this team is just never out of it.

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« Reply #35 on: May 16, 2017, 04:23:58 pm »
I'm trying to figure out how his opinion could be any less relevant.

After living in Cincinnati for almost a decade I came to realize he's like that city's crazy drunk uncle. Sort of like how the chili there is like... nevermind, that chili has no edible comparison. I rarely watch MLB network so the few times I catch a clip of Rose doing his thing I find it funny. Nothing more.

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« Reply #36 on: May 16, 2017, 05:47:47 pm »
I'm trying to figure out how his opinion could be any less relevant.

What are you talking about?  As soon as I saw that I called my bookie. 
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« Reply #37 on: May 16, 2017, 06:09:17 pm »
What are you talking about?  As soon as I saw that I called my bookie.

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« Reply #39 on: May 19, 2017, 05:16:07 pm »
Given expectations and his role as a sub (albeit a super sub), Marwin may be the biggest contributor to the team's success - 9 home runs, 24 rbis, an astounding 14 walks and a .983 ops - a phenomenal first quarter.

As of yesterday, among all Astro hitters, Beltran is last in average, last in obp, last in ops and tied with Springer for most strikeouts. He bests only Aoki and Bregman in slugging. Still a far better option than anyone at Fresno.

     
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« Reply #40 on: May 19, 2017, 05:46:58 pm »
Given expectations and his role as a sub (albeit a super sub), Marwin may be the biggest contributor to the team's success - 9 home runs, 24 rbis, an astounding 14 walks and a .983 ops - a phenomenal first quarter.

As of yesterday, among all Astro hitters, Beltran is last in average, last in obp, last in ops and tied with Springer for most strikeouts. He bests only Aoki and Bregman in slugging. Still a far better option than anyone at Fresno.

   
I love marwin, he's been great, but there's no way he can keep this up. He'll regress to his mean(very good utility guy) and that's fine. He's very valuable in that role.

I don't think beltran has lost it yet and I think we'll see an uptick in his performance going forward. Maybe he and some of the other underperformers will get hot around the time some of the other guys start cooling off.

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« Reply #41 on: May 19, 2017, 06:38:38 pm »
Given expectations and his role as a sub (albeit a super sub), Marwin may be the biggest contributor to the team's success - 9 home runs, 24 rbis, an astounding 14 walks and a .983 ops - a phenomenal first quarter.

As of yesterday, among all Astro hitters, Beltran is last in average, last in obp, last in ops and tied with Springer for most strikeouts. He bests only Aoki and Bregman in slugging. Still a far better option than anyone at Fresno.

   

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« Reply #42 on: May 20, 2017, 11:39:19 am »
Speaking of regressing to the mean... Aoki is 5 for his last 28.  Average is went from 307 to 267.   I'd expect him to start hitting again soon, he has been remarkable consistent in his 5 MLB seasons, his best BA is 288, his worst 283.
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« Reply #43 on: May 20, 2017, 01:48:38 pm »
Beltran's real value to this team isn't going to be found on a stat sheet. 

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« Reply #44 on: May 21, 2017, 11:36:43 am »
Beltran's real value to this team isn't going to be found on a stat sheet.

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« Reply #45 on: May 23, 2017, 05:26:53 am »
Beltran's real value to this team isn't going to be found on a stat sheet.

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« Reply #46 on: May 24, 2017, 09:23:29 am »
On a slightly different topic that seems to fit in with this thread...

Does anyone share concerns regarding McCullers's relative lack of efficiency?  This may be excessively nitpicky, I know.  He has only given 2 earned runs in 30.1 innings in May, but has also gone a full 7 innings in only 1 of his 5 starts this month (and twice in his ten starts on the year).

Given his stuff and relative dominance, it would be great to see him get a little deeper into games.  The help to the bullpen is obvious, especially given the relative uncertainty in the 3-4-5 slots in the rotation and the greater likelihood of increased bullpen work in 3 out of every 5 games.  Even with a deep 'pen, I would have to think that this will add up by the end of the year, and getting more innings out of McCullers would be a big help.

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« Reply #47 on: May 24, 2017, 09:41:46 am »
He's 23, btw.
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« Reply #48 on: May 24, 2017, 09:49:00 am »
On a slightly different topic that seems to fit in with this thread...

Does anyone share concerns regarding McCullers's relative lack of efficiency?  This may be excessively nitpicky, I know.  He has only given 2 earned runs in 30.1 innings in May, but has also gone a full 7 innings in only 1 of his 5 starts this month (and twice in his ten starts on the year).

Given his stuff and relative dominance, it would be great to see him get a little deeper into games.  The help to the bullpen is obvious, especially given the relative uncertainty in the 3-4-5 slots in the rotation and the greater likelihood of increased bullpen work in 3 out of every 5 games.  Even with a deep 'pen, I would have to think that this will add up by the end of the year, and getting more innings out of McCullers would be a big help.
He's gotten much better at being efficient this year. He can still work on it but he's still so young and that comes with experience.

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« Reply #49 on: May 24, 2017, 10:04:06 am »
On a slightly different topic that seems to fit in with this thread...

Does anyone share concerns regarding McCullers's relative lack of efficiency?  This may be excessively nitpicky, I know.  He has only given 2 earned runs in 30.1 innings in May, but has also gone a full 7 innings in only 1 of his 5 starts this month (and twice in his ten starts on the year).

Given his stuff and relative dominance, it would be great to see him get a little deeper into games.  The help to the bullpen is obvious, especially given the relative uncertainty in the 3-4-5 slots in the rotation and the greater likelihood of increased bullpen work in 3 out of every 5 games.  Even with a deep 'pen, I would have to think that this will add up by the end of the year, and getting more innings out of McCullers would be a big help.

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« Reply #50 on: May 24, 2017, 11:50:10 am »
Marisnick can make the argument that he should be a regular based on his super elite defensive skills alone. 
Given his .377 obp he has earned every day status. And why not put him in the lead off spot? His obp is second only to Marwin's. He is a better than average base stealer and hands down the best base runner in the majors. Springer could hit second and Reddick would move down to 6 or 7. Down side - Marisnick's 4 to 1 strike out to walk ratio is second worst on the team. 
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« Reply #51 on: May 24, 2017, 12:16:04 pm »
Wondering if Peacock's performance the other night might have bought him a chance to stick in the rotation when Keuchel comes back, moving Fiers to the bully?

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« Reply #52 on: May 24, 2017, 12:28:08 pm »
Marisnick can make the argument that he should be a regular based on his super elite defensive skills alone. 
Given his .377 obp he has earned every day status. And why not put him in the lead off spot? His obp is second only to Marwin's. He is a better than average base stealer and hands down the best base runner in the majors. Springer could hit second and Reddick would move down to 6 or 7. Down side - Marisnick's 4 to 1 strike out to walk ratio is second worst on the team.
He sounds like a perfect #9 in a DH league, and I like Springer's combination of power and speed at the lead-off position.  I do not think his skills play as well at #2 since he has a lot of swing-and-miss action.  Obviously he needs to boost that .23x batting average, but I think that will come back around as the year progresses.
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« Reply #53 on: May 24, 2017, 12:28:56 pm »
Wondering if Peacock's performance the other night might have bought him a chance to stick in the rotation when Keuchel comes back, moving Fiers to the bully?

Hinch mentioned that Peacock should be considered for a starting role/given another shot after his performance given that Fiers and Musgrove have been erratic (paraphrasing his words from a radio interview). He remained a bit vague on whom he would replace, primarily because Peacock needs to be ready to take the ball on Saturday if Keuchel can't go. Reading between the lines, Fiers and Musgrove need to pitch well to hang onto a spot if Keuchel is ready to come off the DL on Saturday. It was unclear though how many shots he's willing to give those guys prior to pulling the trigger.


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« Reply #54 on: May 24, 2017, 01:27:31 pm »
Marisnick can make the argument that he should be a regular based on his super elite defensive skills alone. 
Given his .377 obp he has earned every day status. And why not put him in the lead off spot? His obp is second only to Marwin's. He is a better than average base stealer and hands down the best base runner in the majors. Springer could hit second and Reddick would move down to 6 or 7. Down side - Marisnick's 4 to 1 strike out to walk ratio is second worst on the team.

I would like to see Jake get a little more opportunity given his hitting has picked up this year but I can't see him in the leadoff role. 9 is a great spot for him.  But he has made great strides this year and the rest of his game is solid. I suppose the swing adjustments he made this spring have helped.

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« Reply #55 on: May 24, 2017, 01:32:17 pm »
The way jake is hitting right now reminds me of April 2015. He went crazy in April and there were many conversations around here about moving him up. Then, he crashed back down to earth. I love what jake brings on defense but he is what he is at the plate. He's not a 300 hitter and he should stay at 9 when he's in the lineup. That's his role. He's hot right now but there's no way he keeps up what he's doing.

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« Reply #56 on: May 24, 2017, 01:51:03 pm »
Hitting ninth is basically a second leadoff hitter.

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« Reply #57 on: May 24, 2017, 02:18:37 pm »
On a slightly different topic that seems to fit in with this thread...

Does anyone share concerns regarding McCullers's relative lack of efficiency?  This may be excessively nitpicky, I know.  He has only given 2 earned runs in 30.1 innings in May, but has also gone a full 7 innings in only 1 of his 5 starts this month (and twice in his ten starts on the year).

Given his stuff and relative dominance, it would be great to see him get a little deeper into games.  The help to the bullpen is obvious, especially given the relative uncertainty in the 3-4-5 slots in the rotation and the greater likelihood of increased bullpen work in 3 out of every 5 games.  Even with a deep 'pen, I would have to think that this will add up by the end of the year, and getting more innings out of McCullers would be a big help.

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« Reply #58 on: May 24, 2017, 02:20:13 pm »
Marisnick can make the argument that he should be a regular based on his super elite defensive skills alone. 
Given his .377 obp he has earned every day status. And why not put him in the lead off spot? His obp is second only to Marwin's. He is a better than average base stealer and hands down the best base runner in the majors. Springer could hit second and Reddick would move down to 6 or 7. Down side - Marisnick's 4 to 1 strike out to walk ratio is second worst on the team.

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« Reply #59 on: May 24, 2017, 03:11:16 pm »
He remained a bit vague on whom he would replace, primarily because Peacock needs to be ready to take the ball on Saturday if Keuchel can't go. Reading between the lines, Fiers and Musgrove need to pitch well to hang onto a spot if Keuchel is ready to come off the DL on Saturday. It was unclear though how many shots he's willing to give those guys prior to pulling the trigger.

I'd send Musgrove down to AAA and keep Fiers in the rotation.  I don't want to move either Musgrove or Fiers into the bullpen.  I don't think it would be to their strengths.  And then I'd bring up one of the bullpen guys the Astros have been moving up and down from AAA.  But Fiers would also be on a short leash. 

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« Reply #60 on: May 24, 2017, 03:27:04 pm »
I'd send Musgrove down to AAA and keep Fiers in the rotation.  I don't want to move either Musgrove or Fiers into the bullpen.  I don't think it would be to their strengths.  And then I'd bring up one of the bullpen guys the Astros have been moving up and down from AAA.  But Fiers would also be on a short leash.

Both Fiers and Musgrove have done a decent job keeping the team in the games they've pitched, which is really all anyone can ask of a back of the rotation starter.  The difference seems to be that Musgrove's stinkers have been worse (5/21 7 runs in 3 IP; 5/4 5 runs in 4 IP and 4/18 5 runs in 5 IP) than Fiers (5/2 5 runs in 6 IP;  4/12 5 runs in 4 IP) and the Astros went 0-3 in those Musgrove games and 2-0 in those Fiers games. 
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« Reply #61 on: May 24, 2017, 05:17:38 pm »
Did you watch the game last night? This comment makes me think you did not. The Tigers fouled off a million pitches, which ran up his pitch count. The problem last night was not his "inefficiency" but was the Tigers hitters' skill at spoiling tough pitches.

 No kidding. Miggy was a clinic on fouling off tough pitches to look for something good to hit  last night. That is a team of well prepared, disciplined hitters.

 Speaking of Miggy, did you all see the interview with him and Altuve during the game? It was pretty funny. And insightful.
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« Reply #62 on: May 24, 2017, 06:32:55 pm »
I'd send Musgrove down to AAA and keep Fiers in the rotation.  I don't want to move either Musgrove or Fiers into the bullpen.  I don't think it would be to their strengths.  And then I'd bring up one of the bullpen guys the Astros have been moving up and down from AAA.  But Fiers would also be on a short leash.
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Speaking of Miggy, did you all see the interview with him and Altuve during the game? It was pretty funny. And insightful.
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Is this fun yet?

Immensely.

Regarding the pitching, the Astros are 17-13 in games started by 3-5. I'm guessing most teams would salivate for a  .567 winning percentage for 3-5.  Of course that's a construct of a great lineup and strong pen but you have to wonder about the value of changing the makeup of a team or gutting the minors by trading for an arm that might shift that 3-5 winning percentage to maybe .600. Especially with McHugh recovering well so far.
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« Reply #68 on: May 29, 2017, 10:41:21 am »
Immensely.

Regarding the pitching, the Astros are 17-13 in games started by 3-5. I'm guessing most teams would salivate for a  .567 winning percentage for 3-5.  Of course that's a construct of a great lineup and strong pen but you have to wonder about the value of changing the makeup of a team or gutting the minors by trading for an arm that might shift that 3-5 winning percentage to maybe .600. Especially with McHugh recovering well so far.

I'm not convinced McHugh is a difference maker.  He's been trending downward two straight years.  Better than Fiers sure.  Solid #3 better?  I don't know that he'll be better than Morton which IMO is what is needed.
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« Reply #69 on: May 29, 2017, 10:56:42 am »
I never really look at the standings until Memorial Day.  Holy shit, did you guys know about this?
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I never really look at the standings until Memorial Day.  Holy shit, did you guys know about this?

 Not me. I start looking on day one. It's part of the fun for me. Have for the last 39 years…
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« Reply #72 on: May 29, 2017, 12:37:18 pm »
I'm not convinced McHugh is a difference maker.  He's been trending downward two straight years.  Better than Fiers sure.  Solid #3 better?  I don't know that he'll be better than Morton which IMO is what is needed.
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« Reply #73 on: May 29, 2017, 01:09:40 pm »
Keuchel, Lance, PitcherX, Morton, McHugh is a hell of a pitching staff, in a perfect world.
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« Reply #74 on: May 29, 2017, 01:11:35 pm »
Immensely.

Regarding the pitching, the Astros are 17-13 in games started by 3-5. I'm guessing most teams would salivate for a  .567 winning percentage for 3-5.  Of course that's a construct of a great lineup and strong pen but you have to wonder about the value of changing the makeup of a team or gutting the minors by trading for an arm that might shift that 3-5 winning percentage to maybe .600. Especially with McHugh recovering well so far.

I'm not worried about the regular season 3-5.

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« Reply #75 on: May 29, 2017, 01:55:44 pm »
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« Reply #76 on: May 29, 2017, 01:57:19 pm »
I'm not worried about the regular season 3-5.

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Understood re: post season. My event horizon is much closer. 10 games up is nice but MLB baseball is littered with big leads early evaporating. As recently as these Astros loosing the lead after being up 9.5 game in May in 2015.
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I'm not worried about the regular season 3-5.

I want a guy I can trust in the third playoff game.

True that, but my expectations are glacially shifting from "win the division" to "home field though the playoffs".
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True that, but my expectations are glacially shifting from "win the division" to "home field though the playoffs".

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« Reply #79 on: May 29, 2017, 06:32:10 pm »
I never really look at the standings until Memorial Day.  Holy shit, did you guys know about this?

I always wait until the All-Star Break.  What's up?
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« Reply #80 on: May 29, 2017, 07:16:51 pm »
Understood re: post season. My event horizon is much closer. 10 games up is nice but MLB baseball is littered with big leads early evaporating. As recently as these Astros loosing the lead after being up 9.5 game in May in 2015.

I think the Stros have the Rangers 15 more times this season. If our head-to-head winning percentage is the same as last year's, the standings will be much tighter.


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I think the Stros have the Rangers 15 more times this season. If our head-to-head winning percentage is the same as last year's, the standings will be much tighter.


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« Reply #82 on: May 29, 2017, 10:38:30 pm »
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« Reply #83 on: May 29, 2017, 10:39:36 pm »
True that, but my expectations are glacially shifting from "win the division" to "home field though the playoffs".

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« Reply #84 on: May 30, 2017, 07:15:50 am »
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If possible...leave the feet on the chicken.

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Berman quoting Luhnow:  "If we need to make a move, even if it's painful, to help the Big League team right now, we'll make it happen."
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The view from the other side:

https://www.athleticsnation.com/2017/6/25/15835850/lets-talk-about-the-annoyingly-good-astros

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« Reply #98 on: June 27, 2017, 09:09:28 am »
What an idiot.  I stopped reading that garbage after the first three sentences.

I stopped also, but not after I read that the Astros are annoying their unwanted neighbors.  That makes me feel good.  Fuck em. 

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I stopped also, but not after I read that the Astros are annoying their unwanted neighbors.  That makes me feel good.  Fuck em.

I lost interest when they said the rebuild was complete by the time we arrived in the AL.


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I lost interest when they said the rebuild was complete by the time we arrived in the AL.


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Is that from the same dummy who wanted to hand us Gray for Teoscar, Daz, and Ramon Laureano? I'd hate to think there's more than one A's blogger churning out that kind of crap.

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« Reply #102 on: June 27, 2017, 09:35:06 am »
Is that from the same dummy who wanted to hand us Gray for Teoscar, Daz, and Ramon Laureano? I'd hate to think there's more than one A's blogger churning out that kind of crap.

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« Reply #103 on: June 27, 2017, 10:57:56 am »
What an idiot.  I stopped reading that garbage after the first three sentences. 

The spelling and grammatical errors turned me off.  Seriously, if you are publishing something you want others to read, proof it!!!  (I hope I have none in those sentences.)
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« Reply #104 on: June 28, 2017, 08:45:12 am »
I stopped also, but not after I read that the Astros are annoying their unwanted neighbors.  That makes me feel good.  Fuck em.

You guys are a tough crowd.  The guy basically made two points:

1)  For the next few years, everyone else in the AL West is playing for a wild card;

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« Reply #105 on: June 28, 2017, 09:16:46 am »
You guys are a tough crowd.  The guy basically made two points:

1)  For the next few years, everyone else in the AL West is playing for a wild card;

2)  The Astros are hard to hate.

His larger point was "the Astros tanked, then managed to finagle themselves into an easier division".  Fuck that guy.
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« Reply #106 on: June 28, 2017, 10:09:40 am »
His larger point was "the Astros tanked, then managed to finagle themselves into an easier division".  Fuck that guy.
I'm pretty sure there was some intentional over-simplification and humor involved. It's not like this was a Jon Heyman article. It was just a jokey fan blog post.
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« Reply #107 on: June 28, 2017, 10:47:47 am »
I'm pretty sure there was some intentional over-simplification and humor involved. It's not like this was a Jon Heyman article. It was just a jokey fan blog post.

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« Reply #108 on: June 29, 2017, 09:27:44 pm »
Astros leading MLB in HRs and last in strike outs...has that ever happened ?
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Tomorrow's halfway through.  I think my pick on the Race for the Lid was 159.  This team isn't as good as I thought they'd be. 
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« Reply #110 on: June 30, 2017, 01:21:14 pm »
Astros leading MLB in HRs and last in strike outs...has that ever happened ?

Only 1948 Yankees and 1995 Indians since 1910 according to this Times article:

Astros Create Successful Recipe by Mixing Power With Contact

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« Reply #111 on: June 30, 2017, 04:24:13 pm »
I hope those of us who have been with the Astros win, lose, or lose some more--which is most of us--realize how lucky we are to be watching this 2017 team.
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« Reply #112 on: July 01, 2017, 12:34:15 am »
I hope those of us who have been with the Astros win, lose, or lose some more--which is most of us--realize how lucky we are to be watching this 2017 team.
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« Reply #113 on: July 01, 2017, 08:40:46 am »
Last night's fiasco and McHugh's poor outing will help fans appreciate this year's success.
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« Reply #114 on: July 01, 2017, 08:53:58 am »
Last night's fiasco and McHugh's poor outing will help fans appreciate this year's success.

Bad luck for Feliz in the 6th inning, but McCullers has to figure out a way to pitch into the 7th regularly. When one of the two aces cannot go more than 5, the pen has to do too much.

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« Reply #115 on: July 01, 2017, 09:11:27 am »

ETA: what happened to McHugh?

McHugh (elbow) lasted just one inning and allowed four runs on seven hits, two walks and a hit-by-pitch in his first rehab appearance Friday with Double-A Corpus Christi, Jake Kaplan of the Houston Chronicle reports.

McHugh threw 42 pitches and was replaced before he could get an out in the second inning. More important than his effectiveness is how he feels after throwing so many pitches, but it isn't a good sign that he was getting lit up by Double-A hitters. McHugh hasn't pitched at all this season and will likely take the full 20 days allowed on this rehab assignment, and as such, his return likely won't come until a week or so after the All-Star break.
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« Reply #116 on: July 01, 2017, 10:56:17 am »
Bad luck for Feliz in the 6th inning, but McCullers has to figure out a way to pitch into the 7th regularly. When one of the two aces cannot go more than 5, the pen has to do too much.

ETA: what happened to McHugh?

I thought McCullers got squeezed a little last night, partly because McCann does not receive the ball well and doesn't help him get close pitches.  A couple more strikes here and there, plus no error in the 2nd and all of the sudden he gets maybe three or four more outs and he's through the 7th.  I know he has to pitch around those things, but seemed like he was just on the edge last night, and a couple of breaks the other way and we see maybe Harris and Giles with a lead late in the game instead of Guduan and Aoki in a blowout. 
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« Reply #117 on: July 01, 2017, 11:57:03 am »
I thought McCullers got squeezed a little last night, partly because McCann does not receive the ball well and doesn't help him get close pitches.  A couple more strikes here and there, plus no error in the 2nd and all of the sudden he gets maybe three or four more outs and he's through the 7th.  I know he has to pitch around those things, but seemed like he was just on the edge last night, and a couple of breaks the other way and we see maybe Harris and Giles with a lead late in the game instead of Guduan and Aoki in a blowout.

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« Reply #118 on: July 03, 2017, 12:04:06 am »
I know there was quite a bit of speculation on what the divisional lead would be once all the starters started going to the dl. At the time I believe it was a 14 game lead. It's now 14.5 and Kuechel, Morton, and McHugh have yet to return.

The fort was held down.

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« Reply #119 on: July 03, 2017, 12:36:16 am »
This season is nuts and it's only starting the second half. There will be trades, (more) devastating injuries, slumps, winning streaks, crazy ass comebacks, bullpen meltdowns, contributions from the farm, dick stepping from the farm,  maybe a waiver claim.... I can't wait.

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« Reply #120 on: July 05, 2017, 11:54:54 am »
With so many players having great years, it is easy to overlook Marisnick. 10 home runs and 23 rbis in just 125 at bats. No telling what he could do if he could get in the lineup regularly. 
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« Reply #121 on: July 05, 2017, 12:29:23 pm »
With so many players having great years, it is easy to overlook Marisnick. 10 home runs and 23 rbis in just 125 at bats. No telling what he could do if he could get in the lineup regularly. 

I'm guessing he could regress to mean.

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« Reply #122 on: July 05, 2017, 01:31:17 pm »
With so many players having great years, it is easy to overlook Marisnick. 10 home runs and 23 rbis in just 125 at bats. No telling what he could do if he could get in the lineup regularly.

Nope. This is his highest and best use.

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« Reply #123 on: July 05, 2017, 01:33:45 pm »
I'm guessing he could regress to mean.

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« Reply #124 on: July 05, 2017, 02:23:08 pm »
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« Reply #125 on: July 07, 2017, 01:27:14 pm »
Devo added to All Star team as an injury replacement.


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« Reply #126 on: July 07, 2017, 02:09:08 pm »
hurrah. and almost deserves it own thread
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« Reply #127 on: July 07, 2017, 02:52:00 pm »
Devo added to All Star team as an injury replacement.


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« Reply #128 on: July 07, 2017, 03:24:12 pm »
Devo added to All Star team as an injury replacement.


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« Reply #129 on: July 07, 2017, 03:34:24 pm »
have we ever put 6 on the AST?

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« Reply #130 on: July 07, 2017, 03:49:26 pm »
First time!

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« Reply #131 on: July 07, 2017, 04:53:44 pm »
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« Reply #132 on: July 11, 2017, 07:59:17 am »
Nice little interview with Chris Devenski...

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/mlb-home-run-derby-2017-results-aaron-judge-puts-on-a-show-to-win-it-all/

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just talking about that when Kathy met him at pluckers for fan fest he told her the same thing
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« Reply #135 on: July 11, 2017, 11:56:48 am »
Another trenchant comment by a jealous lesser intellect.

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« Reply #136 on: July 15, 2017, 03:24:07 pm »
Fantastic highlights from the 1st half.

https://vimeo.com/225493393

watching the Jake walk off throw out, it is amazing how calm and almost in no hurry he is.   The look on the fans behind  home plate is great too.

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« Reply #137 on: July 15, 2017, 03:37:48 pm »
amazing how many of those highlights are Springer. If the MVP voting were today he should win.

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« Reply #138 on: July 15, 2017, 04:15:11 pm »
Fantastic highlights from the 1st half.

https://vimeo.com/225493393

watching the Jake walk off throw out, it is amazing how calm and almost in no hurry he is.   The look on the fans behind  home plate is great too.

Thanks for that video Navin, gave me goosebumps.
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« Reply #139 on: July 17, 2017, 04:19:39 pm »
This is great.

McCann was the one giving the eulogy.

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« Reply #140 on: July 17, 2017, 04:37:55 pm »
Fantastic highlights from the 1st half.

https://vimeo.com/225493393

watching the Jake walk off throw out, it is amazing how calm and almost in no hurry he is.   The look on the fans behind  home plate is great too.

Did I miss an announcement that there is now the ability to embed video here?

Is Vimeo (which frankly I have no clue how it works) the only video that can be embedded?

And I assume the ability to embed tweets is still not available?

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« Reply #141 on: July 17, 2017, 05:48:42 pm »
I had no idea, I just pasted the link.
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« Reply #142 on: July 17, 2017, 06:04:00 pm »
I had no idea, I just pasted the link.

And thanks for that, I thought the video was great.

But given that you were able to embed it, I thought their might have been a recent change to the forum software made by the admins that had gone unannounced and that they could provide some clarification.

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« Reply #143 on: July 17, 2017, 08:20:25 pm »
And thanks for that, I thought the video was great.

But given that you were able to embed it, I thought their might have been a recent change to the forum software made by the admins that had gone unannounced and that they could provide some clarification.

+1.  I stopped trying to paste links to videos and pics long ago.  Would be nice to be able to do so again.
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« Reply #144 on: July 17, 2017, 09:10:23 pm »
Photos and videos are still not to be embedded directly.  There are more than technical reasons why. 
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« Reply #145 on: July 26, 2017, 06:45:47 pm »
David Ross recently wrote a Players Tribune article about "Elite Glue Guys 101".

A couple of current Astros (and one former Astro) in there...

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« Reply #146 on: July 26, 2017, 09:43:30 pm »
David Ross recently wrote a Players Tribune article about "Elite Glue Guys 101".

A couple of current Astros (and one former Astro) in there...

(Apologies if this was linked to previously and I missed it)

cool site. lots of interesting stuff from players' perspective.

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« Reply #147 on: July 26, 2017, 10:05:23 pm »
David Ross recently wrote a Players Tribune article about "Elite Glue Guys 101".

A couple of current Astros (and one former Astro) in there...

(Apologies if this was linked to previously and I missed it)

2 former Astros in there...

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« Reply #148 on: July 31, 2017, 08:59:53 am »
I know that Springer can technically come off the DL on Friday.  Has anyone heard any news on how he is doing? 

I know that pitching has been the biggest problem (and hopefully the team gets help today), but the Astros lineup is looking very ordinary without Correa and Springer.  I
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« Reply #149 on: August 01, 2017, 03:23:58 pm »
Tonights' lineup card features one Liriano, one Jankowski, and no Feliz or Sipp.

ETA: As available pitchers.
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« Reply #150 on: August 01, 2017, 03:47:30 pm »
Tonights' lineup card features one Liriano, one Jankowski, and no Feliz or Sipp.

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« Reply #151 on: August 01, 2017, 04:21:11 pm »
It is really sucks that Sipp is an absolute disaster now.   Maybe some time on the DL can get his head straight.
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« Reply #152 on: August 01, 2017, 07:32:50 pm »
It is really sucks that Sipp is an absolute disaster now.   Maybe some time on the DL can get his head straight.

Is he actually hurt?  Did he strain his neck watching 106mph batted balls whiz past him?  Is "I sucked at what I do" an "approved" MLB injury?
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« Reply #153 on: August 01, 2017, 11:02:20 pm »
Is he actually hurt?  Did he strain his neck watching 106mph batted balls whiz past him?  Is "I sucked at what I do" an "approved" MLB injury?

I have zero legs to stand on at this site. But I simply dislike piling on players like Sipp. He came out of nowhere and helped the fuck out of this team in a down season and in the playoffs. There's a human element that comments like these ignores and I don't like reading it. It's cheap and unnecessary. The context of Sipps career is worth more than a few jokes before his dream possibly comes to an end. He's never shown a lack of effort or a lack of desire. If a stint on the dl and a "rehab start" are all the Astros have left to offer him, I hope he rises the fuck up again. If he doesn't, thank you Mr. Sipp.

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I have zero legs to stand on at this site. But I simply dislike piling on players like Sipp. He came out of nowhere and helped the fuck out of this team in a down season and in the playoffs. There's a human element that comments like these ignores and I don't like reading it. It's cheap and unnecessary. The context of Sipps career is worth more than a few jokes before his dream possibly comes to an end. He's never shown a lack of effort or a lack of desire. If a stint on the dl and a "rehab start" are all the Astros have left to offer him, I hope he rises the fuck up again. If he doesn't, thank you Mr. Sipp.

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« Reply #155 on: August 02, 2017, 09:37:17 am »
I have zero legs to stand on at this site. But I simply dislike piling on players like Sipp. He came out of nowhere and helped the fuck out of this team in a down season and in the playoffs. There's a human element that comments like these ignores and I don't like reading it. It's cheap and unnecessary. The context of Sipps career is worth more than a few jokes before his dream possibly comes to an end. He's never shown a lack of effort or a lack of desire. If a stint on the dl and a "rehab start" are all the Astros have left to offer him, I hope he rises the fuck up again. If he doesn't, thank you Mr. Sipp.

If it helps, even if the Astros DFA him, he'll be pitching again somewhere next year.  He's a lefty, and they die slowly.

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« Reply #156 on: August 03, 2017, 03:36:51 pm »
I have zero legs to stand on at this site. But I simply dislike piling on players like Sipp. He came out of nowhere and helped the fuck out of this team in a down season and in the playoffs. There's a human element that comments like these ignores and I don't like reading it. It's cheap and unnecessary. The context of Sipps career is worth more than a few jokes before his dream possibly comes to an end. He's never shown a lack of effort or a lack of desire. If a stint on the dl and a "rehab start" are all the Astros have left to offer him, I hope he rises the fuck up again. If he doesn't, thank you Mr. Sipp.

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« Reply #157 on: August 03, 2017, 04:12:32 pm »
I went and ate a Frito pie today from James Coney Island.  Desperate measures for desperate times.
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« Reply #158 on: August 03, 2017, 05:31:49 pm »
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« Reply #159 on: August 04, 2017, 10:54:52 pm »
JD Davis being called up.

AJ Reed going down?

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Confirmed--Reed down.
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Re: 2017 team
« Reply #160 on: August 05, 2017, 07:39:19 am »
JD Davis being called up.

AJ Reed going down?

ETA:
Confirmed--Reed down.

Man, Reed was the greatest thing ever not too long ago, but now he seemingly has achieved AAAA status.
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« Reply #161 on: August 05, 2017, 08:01:15 am »
Man, Reed was the greatest thing ever not too long ago, but now he seemingly has achieved AAAA status.

The Fisher and Davis call-ups make me wonder if the front office feels that they left White and Reed down too long rather than finding out whether they could really cut it, and now they're shifting to an earlier sink-or-swim philosophy.
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Re: 2017 team
« Reply #162 on: August 05, 2017, 08:47:37 am »
The Fisher and Davis call-ups make me wonder if the front office feels that they left White and Reed down too long rather than finding out whether they could really cut it, and now they're shifting to an earlier sink-or-swim philosophy.

Dunno. My memory is never trustworthy, but I recall White being an overachiever whose making the team was a surprise, and much like Singleton, the first base job was Reed's, but he did not hit.

Fisher is interesting. He was in the Giles deal but came back because of some medical issue so we substituted Appel. This trade season he apparently was untouchable. Strange odyssey.
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« Reply #163 on: August 05, 2017, 09:28:15 am »
The Fisher and Davis call-ups make me wonder if the front office feels that they left White and Reed down too long rather than finding out whether they could really cut it, and now they're shifting to an earlier sink-or-swim philosophy.

I doubt this is the reason behind the move. The surest sign of having left a guy down on the farm too long would be if he started his time in the bigs raking and never looked back. Then, I can see the organization thinking that they may have missed out on some contribution at the big league level.

The team is in "win now mode." These young guys have been called up because the team is trying to cobble together a roster with all the injuries. Fisher received his initial shot due to injury (IIRC), but he's the exception in that he seems to be viewed as a key piece and contributor this season or else they wouldn't have traded Aoki.

Reed was sent back down because he hasn't hit. The team doesn't have the luxury of letting guys figure it out at the MLB level in the middle of a pennant race. He got his shot due to injury, didn't perform, and now he's back riding the bus. Davis isn't getting a chance due to some change in philosophy. He was called up because there are holes that need to be filled and the guy given the first shot at filling it forgot to pack his stick on the trip from Fresno.

ETA: and, reading both the lines and in between them, I think Davis has impressed the organization in ST and MiLB this season, and he has some created some intrigue among decision makers, whereas Reed continues to underwhelm.

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Re: 2017 team
« Reply #164 on: August 05, 2017, 09:43:53 am »
I doubt this is the reason behind the move. The surest sign of having left a guy down on the farm too long would be if he started his time in the bigs raking and never looked back. Then, I can see the organization thinking that they may have missed out on some contribution at the big league level.

The team is in "win now mode." These young guys have been called up because the team is trying to cobble together a roster with all the injuries. Fisher received his initial shot due to injury (IIRC), but he's the exception in that he seems to be viewed as a key piece and contributor this season or else they wouldn't have traded Aoki.

Reed was sent back down because he hasn't hit. The team doesn't have the luxury of letting guys figure it out at the MLB level in the middle of a pennant race. He got his shot due to injury, didn't perform, and now he's back riding the bus. Davis isn't getting a chance due to some change in philosophy. He was called up because there are holes that need to be filled and the guy given the first shot at filling it forgot to pack his stick on the trip from Fresno.

ETA: and, reading both the lines and in between them, I think Davis has impressed the organization in ST and MiLB this season, and he has some created some intrigue among decision makers, whereas Reed continues to underwhelm.

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I think Davis may be replacing Moran so Marwin can continue to play numerous positions rather than SS every day. That puts Yuli back at 1B and Bregman at SS. White's two homer say "HEY! I AM HERE!"
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Re: 2017 team
« Reply #165 on: August 05, 2017, 02:09:00 pm »
It would be great if White could replicate last April. When he is in the zone, he can hit with the best.

Glad Davis is getting a chance. He looked good in spring training. A few weeks ago it seemed that he was stuck in AA for the year. But a couple of injuries and poor play by Reed and he is in the majors.

If Reed were serious about playing in the majors, he would have lost about 40 pounds by now.
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« Reply #166 on: August 05, 2017, 02:14:51 pm »
Davis gets the start at 3b tonight with Gurriel at DH, Bregman at SS, White at 1b.


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« Reply #167 on: August 05, 2017, 02:42:52 pm »
With Gattis concussion, won't they need to recall Centeno also? Also, any chance the Davis call up is to showcase him for any waiver trade bait?

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« Reply #168 on: August 05, 2017, 02:45:33 pm »
With Gattis concussion, won't they need to recall Centeno also? Also, any chance the Davis call up is to showcase him for any waiver trade bait?


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« Reply #169 on: August 05, 2017, 04:03:58 pm »
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Re: 2017 team
« Reply #170 on: November 02, 2017, 10:41:15 am »
One of my unrealized goals was to work in a front office on the baseball side and to participate in putting a roster together. I came close once, but my scout friend, who was my ticket to a job like this, turned down an Assistant GM job and decided to remain a scout. How dare he!

I think construction of this roster has been magnificent.  Sure we may need another starter and a cure for Sipp, but the non-pitcher roster so far may be the best I have seen. No matter who Hinch runs out there, the lineup 1-9 has no weak links. Even Marisnick is hitting some, and he is invaluable as a defender. Rallies can break out anywhere, and the team is not dependent on any one player or on the middle of the order. Pitching against it is a chore.

I looked superficially at the 1986 and 1998 teams to test my belief in the 1-9 toughness of this lineup and think I am correct so far. 1986 for sure. The team had only one .300 hitter (Walling) and was a solid lineup but also had Ashby, pre-All Star Thon/Reynolds, Hatcher, and Doran. Solid players all but not the tough outs 2017 has, imo.

1998 was a powerful team. Alou, Bagwell, and Bell drove in more than 100 runs each, and there were five .300 hitters (Berry as a sub plus four starters) and Everett at .296.  The lineup also had Ausmus, though, backed up by Eusebio, and Gutierrez/Bogar at SS.  This team set the bar high for a power-laden offense, but it was not a tough out 1-9, imo.

I know it is only early May, and I may be quite wrong, but thus far I am giving Luhnow a standing O.

Around 2:00 yesterday, I started to get the feeling that the Dodger's confidence in their Game 7 plan was just plain hubris.  I specifically looked for this JimR post because I wanted to remind myself that our respectful confidence in the 2017 team is deserved and justified.  Was nice to pause a minute to think about how fun this whole season has been, let alone this series and last nights dream come true!