Phantom Hit-by-Pitch Last Night

[BlownRanger]

For you rules gurus:

Everyone is assuming that if they overruled the Garcia HPB, it's a wild pitch and Narvaez ends up on third base.  I'm not so sure.  Even though Narvaez clearly would have reached third base, play was stopped when Angel called it a HBP.  Even if the call is overruled, Angel still called it a HBP, meaning the play is dead and the Astros were given no chance to throw out Narvaez.  I'm not sure the whole "he easily would have made third" judgment call is allowed.

I'm also cynical enough to believe this may have entered into the decision to uphold the clearly wrong call.

[HudsonHawk]

For you rules gurus:

Everyone is assuming that if they overruled the Garcia HPB, it's a wild pitch and Narvaez ends up on third base.  I'm not so sure.  Even though Narvaez clearly would have reached third base, play was stopped when Angel called it a HBP.  Even if the call is overruled, Angel still called it a HBP, meaning the play is dead and the Astros were given no chance to throw out Narvaez.  I'm not sure the whole "he easily would have made third" judgment call is allowed.

I'm also cynical enough to believe this may have entered into the decision to uphold the clearly wrong call.

It is allowed.  The placement of runners following an overturned call is the responsibility of the replay official, and the rules state that he is to place runners where he thinks they've have been had the call be made correctly in the first place.  Since the ball got past Centeno and went to the backstop, the replay official would have certainly ruled that the runner would have made 3B. 

[BlownRanger]

It is allowed.  The placement of runners following an overturned call is the responsibility of the replay official, and the rules state that he is to place runners where he thinks they've have been had the call be made correctly in the first place.  Since the ball got past Centeno and went to the backstop, the replay official would have certainly ruled that the runner would have made 3B.

Gracias

[austro]

So here's another scoring question. Imagine that we're in a tie game in the bottom of the 9th, and the home team's first batter reaches base safely. Next guy makes some sort of out that doesn't advance the runner. Next guy hits a ball that results in an error and runners on 1st and 2nd. Next guy drives in the winning run with a single to win the game. Ordinarily I think we'd have to wait for the outcome of another at-bat or two before we could determine whether that was an earned run or not. But there obviously won't be any more at-bats because the game is over. Is that an earned run or not?

[doyce7]

So here's another scoring question. Imagine that we're in a tie game in the bottom of the 9th, and the home team's first batter reaches base safely. Next guy makes some sort of out that doesn't advance the runner. Next guy hits a ball that results in an error and runners on 1st and 2nd. Next guy drives in the winning run with a single to win the game. Ordinarily I think we'd have to wait for the outcome of another at-bat or two before we could determine whether that was an earned run or not. But there obviously won't be any more at-bats because the game is over. Is that an earned run or not?

I believe, though I could be wrong, it would be an earned run because it did not extend the inning.

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[HudsonHawk]

So here's another scoring question. Imagine that we're in a tie game in the bottom of the 9th, and the home team's first batter reaches base safely. Next guy makes some sort of out that doesn't advance the runner. Next guy hits a ball that results in an error and runners on 1st and 2nd. Next guy drives in the winning run with a single to win the game. Ordinarily I think we'd have to wait for the outcome of another at-bat or two before we could determine whether that was an earned run or not. But there obviously won't be any more at-bats because the game is over. Is that an earned run or not?

It depends.  If the winning run moved to 2B because of the error, and would not have been at 2B with errorless play, it's an unearned run.  If he would have advanced, even without the error, it's earned.