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« on: May 07, 2014, 02:48:03 pm »
It's still a couple of months from the first day that teams are allowed to sign players, though many players have probably reached agreements with teams.  The Astros have the top bonus allotment, but the big story is that the Yankees are expected to completely ignore theirs with a $10M budget being floated.  The Red Sox, Rays, and possibly Brewers are also expected to spend beyond their given figures.  If the current slot system holds up, they would be unable to sign any player for more than $300K next year, but they have free reign to spend whatever they want this year (many decent players still can be had for that $300K figure).  The Yankees, for instance, are allotted just under $2.2M, they will have the 17th "pick" .  I'm sure they expect to finish at least as well this year, if not closer to 25th or higher (expectations, not reality).  

Found this in a chat with Ben Badler (BA) today:

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   Justin (Texas): Your feature on teams scouting international players at such a young age was a great read. Had a few questions about it. Since teams are developing relationships with these players at such a young age, does that narrow who they will sign with years before they are 16? The Astros revamped their scouting department when Luhnow took over as GM. Does this mean they are several years behind other teams who have had scouts over there for years? Could it be a few years before this front office starts to pay dividends internationally?


Ben Badler: The relationships that teams have with certain trainers and the players from a young age definitely influences the access they get to the players and ultimately where they might sign, especially if the dollars being offered are close. What's happening now is that teams and trainers are trying to reach agreements with players earlier than ever, sometimes close to a year before the players are eligible to sign. Having history on players has always been part of the job, but now it's becoming more critical than ever, because the top players on the market might disappear more quickly than ever. With the Astros, they have scouts who have been around the market for a long time and have relationships with people throughout Latin America, even if some of them are relatively new to the organization itself, so they're in good shape. Plus everyone there knows they have the more pool money than anyone, which is a good way to make friends quickly and have trainers bring their players to you. They're definitely going to be aggressive this year.

I'm interested to see who they will be linked to.  They seem hesitant to risk the future to blow up the market, which is logical based on the likelihood of them having one of the biggest budgets again next year.  Plus, they haven't landed any of the biggest names since Luhnow arrived, so I just have a hard time imaging them spending a big chunk on one player.  I guess there are other ways to be aggressive, though.
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« Reply #1 on: May 07, 2014, 10:31:02 pm »
http://sbb.scout.com/2/1375072.html

 Finally, Juan Meza (RHP, Venezuela) is believed to have a deal for $1.4 million and the Houston Astros have been mentioned the most.

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Bryan Emery (CF, Colombia) is arguably the top player in the class for some scouts and he isn't believed to have a deal in place, but rumors are flying he's already been offered over $3 million. Emery's trainer (Ivan Noboa) has already pulled a rabbit out of his hat (bonus-wise) with Rangers RF Nomar Mazara ($4.95 million) and Indians SS Hector Caro ($1.1 million), so scouts that hadn't heard this rumor openly admitted it makes some sense.

Three more top Latin American prospects that all project for seven figures on July 2nd and don't appear to have deals in place yet are: Huascar Ynoa (RHP, Dominican and the younger brother of Michael Ynoa), Pedro Gonzalez (SS, Dominican) and Bryan Pena (OF, Dominican). One non-Latin American player that's drawing seven figure attention is a Korean shortstop named Hyo-Joon Park that's been working out in California recently and has drawn comparisons to Rays SS Hak-Ju Lee.

A wildcard for this year's class is Cecilio Aybar (SS, Dominican), who is eligible to sign when his one-year suspension ends on April 24th. Aybar presented himself as Obispo Aybar at this time last year and looked headed for a multi-million dollar July 2nd bonus, due to his plus-plus speed and smooth hands, but it turns out he had falsified his identity. Aybar will be 20 years old when he's eligible to sign and some scouts think he could still get seven figures.


http://sbb.scout.com/a.z?s=381&p=2&c=1369810&ssf=1&RequestedURL=http%3a%2f%2fsbb.scout.com%2f2%2f1369810.html

Meza is skinny and long-limbed but only 6'0/170, so you can't see that much more coming from him. That said, he's got a lot to like, including a smooth delivery and an advanced three-pitch mix. Meza broke a few bats with his heavy 87-90 mph sinker and liberally went to a 79-81 mph changeup that was above average to plus. His slurvy 3/4 breaking ball was a clear third option but was solid-average at times and gives him a chance to profile in the rotation.

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« Reply #2 on: May 07, 2014, 10:35:12 pm »
Great info, guys.
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« Reply #3 on: May 07, 2014, 10:36:51 pm »
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@kileymcd During your DR trip, were there any other players besides Juan Meza that were being linked to the Astros?


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@itsDTrain Yep, and not sure if I referenced it in the articles but OF Ronny Rafael, for abtou 1/3 of what Meza will get.

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Re: 2014 Int'l FA Misc
« Reply #4 on: May 08, 2014, 09:49:48 am »
Dustin Nguyen @itsDTrain
@kileymcd During your DR trip, were there any other players besides Juan Meza that were being linked to the Astros?


Kiley McDaniel @kileymcd
@itsDTrain Yep, and not sure if I referenced it in the articles but OF Ronny Rafael, for abtou 1/3 of what Meza will get.

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« Reply #5 on: May 08, 2014, 09:52:32 am »
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« Reply #6 on: May 08, 2014, 01:41:05 pm »
This is straying a little far from the topic...but what ever happened to Ariel Ovando?

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« Reply #7 on: May 08, 2014, 05:57:47 pm »
This is straying a little far from the topic...but what ever happened to Ariel Ovando?
Still in extended spring training after failing to make the Quad Cities roster.  He struggled mightily there for part of last year before being sent back to short season ball, and my personal optimism about him (to say nothing of the disappointment he must be to the professionals) is waning.  He needs to really put it together at (I presume) Tri City this year.  He is still young, but he is not moving up as he must have been expected to do after his bonus.
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« Reply #8 on: May 09, 2014, 09:06:12 am »
This is straying a little far from the topic...but what ever happened to Ariel Ovando?

My 14 year old asked me yesterday if I thought Ovando would be back in Gville for his fourth season.  He can't was my reply.  A player can only have three seasons in the Appy unless they undergo a position change (move to pitcher, etc) or due to an injury rehab.  I agree that Ovando will likely be in Tri Cities this year.  

BTW my new nickname for him is sunk cost. 
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« Reply #9 on: May 10, 2014, 12:38:00 pm »
Since he got such a fat bonus ($2.6m?) I'm assuming that not only Bobby Heck but also Wade saw/approved of Ovando; was that the case? If so, you can probably pencil that one in next to Mier and Kvasnicka in the "really blew that pick" column.
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Re: 2014 Int'l FA Misc
« Reply #10 on: May 10, 2014, 02:41:52 pm »
Since he got such a fat bonus ($2.6m?) I'm assuming that not only Bobby Heck but also Wade saw/approved of Ovando; was that the case? If so, you can probably pencil that one in next to Mier and Kvasnicka in the "really blew that pick" column.

Mier's having a nice little season this year. 
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« Reply #11 on: May 10, 2014, 06:11:55 pm »
Mier's having a nice little season this year. 

Good for him but he was a bad pick in retrospect. You don't need to spend a #1 on a 9th place hitter even if he is a nice defensive SS. Those guys can be had much cheaper. I remember Heck saying he was the best player in the draft. They just missed on him.

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« Reply #12 on: May 10, 2014, 06:55:09 pm »
Good for him but he was a bad pick in retrospect. You don't need to spend a #1 on a 9th place hitter even if he is a nice defensive SS. Those guys can be had much cheaper. I remember Heck saying he was the best player in the draft. They just missed on him.

They did. The best player tag was fluff; they would have grabbed Shelby Miller with that pick, had Luhnow not selected him two picks before. That draft also had Strasburg at 1/1 and the best player in the game go 1/25. He never came close to the Nomar comps thrown around.

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« Reply #13 on: May 11, 2014, 02:02:10 pm »
Mier's having a nice little season this year. 
Eh? I've pulled for the guy as much as probably anyone here, but how is .236/.257/.340 "nice"? He does one thing well - hit lefties (.391/.385/.696 in 23 ABs this year), but that's about it offensively, it seems.
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« Reply #14 on: May 11, 2014, 02:28:22 pm »
Eh? I've pulled for the guy as much as probably anyone here, but how is .236/.257/.340 "nice"? He does one thing well - hit lefties (.391/.385/.696 in 23 ABs this year), but that's about it offensively, it seems.
Yeah - he looked pretty good early platooning at 3B, but his .236 includes a pretty terrible last 3-4 weeks. I think he is out of chances to justify his first round selection.
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« Reply #15 on: May 11, 2014, 02:35:30 pm »
Yeah - he looked pretty good early platooning at 3B, but his .236 includes a pretty terrible last 3-4 weeks. I think he is out of chances to justify his first round selection.
Especially with Tony Kemp lighting up Lancaster - they could promote him and play Fontana full-time at SS, pushing Mier to the bench.
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« Reply #16 on: May 12, 2014, 01:01:38 pm »
http://www.crawfishboxes.com/2014/5/12/5710292/astros-linked-to-high-end-international-free-agents

Baseball America has a very interesting tidbit about whom the Houston Astrosmay be targeting with their rather large amount of bonus pool money they have for the international free agent market. After all, it is the largest pool for the second year in a row.

BA lists two players that have been connected to the Astros for more reasons that money alone.

Ronny Rafael is an outfielder from the Dominican Republic and plays in the Dominican Prospect League. The Astros have been big supporters of the DPL as it provides more opportunities to see these peloteros in game action as opposed to just structured showcases. One of the biggest issues with this market is that many of these players shine in practice but their tools don't translate into games. For that reason, Houston has been doing a lot of scouting in the DPL.

Rafael is a right-handed hitter with some power but has some contact issues secondary to poor pitch recognition, which isn't uncommon for a 16 year old. He's likely a right fielder in the pro ranks but currently plays center. Baseball America projects him to be the second highest paid outfielder out of the Dominican Republic this year with a price tag over one million.

The other is a Venezuelan shortstop named Miguel Angel Sierra. He is a good contact hitter but is limited to gap power. He has the tools to stick at shortstop and is praised for his instincts and knowledge of the game for his age. He isn't flashy but is a solid all around. He isn't just a workout warrior, he plays the game.

Sierra is expected to also carry a price tag that will probably approach one million.



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« Reply #17 on: May 13, 2014, 09:49:24 am »
http://www.baseballamerica.com/international/july-2-preview-projecting-the-top-international-pitching-prospects/

Baseball America's Ben Badler says that the Blue Jays are the new favorites for Juan Meza.

Meza’s velocity at the MLB showcase was around 85-88 mph, but he’s been up to the low-90s and draws praise for his ability to move his lively fastball around the zone and pitch with downhill plane. His release point is still inconsistent on his low-80s changeup, but he maintains his arm speed when he throws it and it’s a projectable offering. Some scouts liked Meza’s mid-70s curveball and said he was able to throw it for strikes, though others said it’s the pitch that will need the most work. Meza is expected to be the No. 2 arm in Venezuela this year after Andres Espinoza, with a possible price tag near $1.5 million. The Blue Jays have been scouting Meza heavily and look like the favorites.

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« Reply #18 on: May 13, 2014, 07:59:56 pm »
Another one to add to the list:

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Fellow Venezuelan right-hander Frankin Perez is also likely to land seven figures and has been most prominently linked to the Astros.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/05/badler-on-top-july-2-prospects.html#disqus_thread

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« Reply #19 on: May 20, 2014, 03:09:28 pm »
Badler with a nice piece providing some insight into the International scouting/signing process.
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Yet for some of the top players on the July 2 market, there are scouts on teams with the biggest international bonus pools who haven’t been able to lay eyes on those players since 2013.

This year, teams have become more aggressive reaching oral agreements with players to sign once they become eligible on July 2. These deals are technically not in accordance with major league rules, but it’s long been industry practice for the top players to reach agreements before July 2, which MLB knows and tacitly accepts. Players don’t play for school teams in Latin America, so once a player has an agreement, he stops going to showcases or tryouts at other teams’ academies.
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« Reply #20 on: June 05, 2014, 01:31:23 pm »
Jorge Despaigne Leaves Cuba

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...Despaigne is expected to be subject to the international bonus pools.

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...Despaigne is 6-foot-1, 190 pounds with a plus fastball he can run into the mid-90s

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...Despaigne struggles keeping his mechanics in check and in turn has trouble throwing strikes.

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« Reply #21 on: June 19, 2014, 02:43:55 pm »
Nothing at all new here, but Jesse Sanchez of MLB Pipeline recaps how the international slot values are calculated  and what the total bonus pools are for each team for those who might be interested. BA had previously posed similar information back in April.


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« Reply #22 on: June 20, 2014, 02:30:16 pm »
MLB.com now has a top 30 international list, along with the team expected to sign them.  Cliff Notes version, just jump to #20 to see the Astros mentioned, as you get the sense that they just hit Ctrl + v with the phrase "The Yankees are considered the favorite to sign the teenager" before then.

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/prospects/watch/y2014/#list=int

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« Reply #23 on: June 20, 2014, 04:04:43 pm »
Cuban OF Yasmani Tomas has defected. Unlike Jorge Despaigne (see above), the 23-year old will be exempt from the international bonus pools.

The corner outfielder was ranked by BA as the 6th-best prospect at the 2013 WBC (Masahiro Tanaka was ranked #1 and Jose Abreu clocked in at #4).

From BA's Ben Badler (who broke the story):

A righthanded-hitting corner outfielder, Tomas can hit towering home runs thanks to the strength from his thickly-built 6-foot-1, 230-pound frame...Tomas might have a chance to go straight into a major league lineup, but a more likely scenario would have him starting in the upper minors, with Triple-A seeming like a good fit...Tomas did show some swing-and-miss tendencies at the WBC with an uppercut stroke and trouble handling good breaking pitches.
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« Reply #24 on: June 20, 2014, 06:43:26 pm »
MLB.com now has a top 30 international list, along with the team expected to sign them.  Cliff Notes version, just jump to #20 to see the Astros mentioned, as you get the sense that they just hit Ctrl + v with the phrase "The Yankees are considered the favorite to sign the teenager" before then.

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/prospects/watch/y2014/#list=int

The three guys mentioned by MLB Pipeline as tied to the Astros (OF Ronny Rafael at #20, RHP Franklin Perez at #21, SS Miguel Angel Sierra at #23) had also been linked to the club previously by BA.       

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« Reply #25 on: June 30, 2014, 11:23:42 am »
Baseball America top 30 International Prospects

Franklin Perez came in at #15 on BA's top 30 international prospects. Miguel Angel Sierra was #19, and Ronny Rafael at #25.

In addition to Perez, Sierra, and Rafael, the Astros have been linked to Brandon Benavente, a catcher from Venezuela.

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Another Venezuelan catcher, Brandon Benavente, also projects to stick behind the plate with good receiving skills. At 6 feet, 200 pounds, he’s going to have to keep his heavy body type in check, but he’s a solid catch-and-throw guy, if not the most mobile. He’s a righthanded hitter with a decent swing and solid sock to take the ball to the fence in BP, although scouts consider his defense ahead of his bat. Sources believe the Astros are the favorites for Benavente.

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« Reply #26 on: July 02, 2014, 09:32:01 am »
MLB.com: Astros sign 3 in the early going

SS Miguel Angel Sierra and RHP Franklin Perez received $1 million each, while C Brandon Benavente signed for around $250K.

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« Reply #27 on: July 02, 2014, 09:34:22 am »
Meanwhile, the Yankees are expected to sign 14 out of Baseball America's Top 30 list, including 4 of the top 10.
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« Reply #28 on: July 02, 2014, 02:09:29 pm »
Reminder of who got the big bucks up to 2009.  Not many have been worth it. 
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« Reply #29 on: July 03, 2014, 10:27:13 am »
So, with Perez and Sierra getting $1 million each and Benavente receiving $250K, the Astros now have $2,765,400 (maybe less) remaining in their IFA pool.

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« Reply #31 on: July 07, 2014, 11:46:58 am »
Source: #Astros have agreed to a $1.5M deal with OF Ronny Rafael, #20 on @mlb Top 30 Int’l list http://t.co/bw8Mkjwr2F @MLBPipeline

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« Reply #32 on: July 07, 2014, 08:58:46 pm »
Baseball America: Astros sign Dominican OF Hector Sanchez

Oz Ocampo on Sanchez:

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“Hector Martinez is a strong, athletic and projectable Dominican outfielder who projects to have average to solid average tools across the board,” Astros international Oz Ocampo said in a press release. “Our area scout, Rafael Belen, did a tremendous job in identifying Hector as a prospect when he was just 13 years old. He is a line-drive hitter with bat speed, a clean bat path, and occasional over-the-fence power. Hector will start at center field, but depending on his overall physical development, could move to right field with a solid average arm in the future.”

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« Reply #33 on: November 20, 2014, 04:02:23 pm »
Meanwhile, the Yankees are expected to sign 14 out of Baseball America's Top 30 list, including 4 of the top 10.

So how did the FUYankees end up? With the signing today of Bryan Emery, they've signed thus far 25 international prospects (including some not on the Top 30 list) for a total of $17MM according to Jesse Sanchez of MLB.com. Since their bonus pool was only $2MM, that means they'll owe a tax of $15MM. With amounts owed by several other teams (Red Sox, Rays and Angels thus far), the total taxes for this signing period are approaching $25MM. And that's all before a Moncada signing which will add another $40MM perhaps.

And where does that money go? Per an article yesterday from Kiley McDaniel over at Fangraphs, he says MLB likely never anticipated a fund balance from international bonus pool taxes in the amount of $70MM. It appears MLB has some discretion but in general this money would go towards the "international development" of baseball. Apparently those funds can also go towards implementing an international draft as well.

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« Reply #34 on: November 20, 2014, 05:24:08 pm »
The fact that so many teams have been willing to blow past their pools and forfeit their ability to sign any player for more than $300k for a year or two makes you wonder. Is the amateur draft so different? If the Astros decided, say, that they wanted to drop $35m in the 2015 Draft (I assume their pool will be, what, $18-20m?), they could theoretically have handshake deals in place with 4 or 5 of the top 10 or so players. Those players could then tell other interested teams that they're looking for a butt-ton of money, or else, and scare off everyone but the Astros, who could pick them all by the 2nd or 3rd round maybe.

Yes, they'd lose their 1st-round pick in 2016 (and '17?) but they will have added 4 or 5 premium talents that will be a year ahead of similar 2016 players in their development, and basically all it would cost them is an extra $15m or so in penalty tax. Players in the Draft are safer bets than 16-year-old International kids, so there's some logic there, if they could avoid being popped for tampering or whatever pre-draft deals are called. And like with the International signings, if you're going to go over your pool by more than the 5% or whatever allowed, you may as well go waaaayyyyy over, because MLB stupidly didn't think to make penalties increase the more a club goes over, beyond the tax money.

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« Reply #35 on: March 31, 2015, 10:19:51 pm »
No surprises given their bonus pool amount but BA estimates the Astros spent $5.42MM on int'l FAs in 2014 to rank 4th among MLB clubs.

As noted in the opening comments, these figures do not include monies spent on Cubans (which is one hell of an exclusion).


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« Reply #36 on: April 04, 2015, 02:44:37 pm »
Obviously the Yankees dominate this list overall of the top 40 bonuses paid in this signing period, but in Rafael/Perez/Sierra the Astros did end up with 3 of the top 19 bonus players. If that means anything...


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« Reply #37 on: April 12, 2015, 01:08:57 am »
BA article (subscription) from the other day with a more complete listing of players signed during 2014. The list, including those reported previously:

  • OF Ronny Rafael--$1.5MM
  • RHP Franklin Perez--$1MM
  • SS Miguelangel Sierra--$1MM
  • OF Hector Martinez--$300K
  • C Brandon Benavente--$263K
  • LHP Javier Navas--$175K
  • C Ihan Bernal--$155K
  • INF Juan Pineda--$100K
  • CF Vicente Sanchez--$63K
  • SS Marcos Almonte--$35K
  • CF Andy Pineda--$30K
  • C Gabriel Bracamonte--$8K


Bernal, Sanchez, Almonte, A. Pineda and Bracamonte all signed prior to July (meaning technically they fell within the 2013-2014 signing period) and all saw action in the DSL last summer.  Sanchez in particular stood out hitting .281/.390/.479 in 32 games. Bracamonte hit .379/.481/.511 in more limited action (15 games) due to getting plunked in the face during a game but came back strong during Dominican Instructional League.

A total of 50 players were signed according to BA (more than any organization other than the Skankees).
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