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« on: April 30, 2012, 03:36:54 pm »
OK, I've used PC ever since the days of DOS.  But Mrs. MM and I have just purchased our first MacBook Pro 13", which will become the family computer.

So here's what I need to know:

1.  Primary concern - Quicken.  I have 13 years worth of financial records in Quicken.  I understand that Quicken Essentials for Mac sucks to a greater extent than OU.  What are my best alternatives?

2.  Is there any problem in using my HP wireless printer?

3.  Generally - what do I need to know to use all these fancy Apple features I've heard will change my life?
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« Reply #1 on: April 30, 2012, 03:46:43 pm »
OK, I've used PC ever since the days of DOS.  But Mrs. MM and I have just purchased our first MacBook Pro 13", which will become the family computer.
Me too twice.

So here's what I need to know:

1.  Primary concern - Quicken.  I have 13 years worth of financial records in Quicken.  I understand that Quicken Essentials for Mac sucks to a greater extent than OU.  What are my best alternatives?
You are correct in your estimated suckfactor.  My bestalternative so far has been to keep the old paperweight running (though "run" does not really describe it anymore after eleventy-seven software upgrades).  Let me know if you find something better.

2.  Is there any problem in using my HP wireless printer?
No.  I use one.

3.  Generally - what do I need to know to use all these fancy Apple features I've heard will change my life?
Basically, just start trying stuff ... one day of frustration, two of confusion, 3-4 more of "this might eventually work" and suddenly you can't live without it.  I tried to use someone's PC at work today and almost destroyed both the PC and it's owner.

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Re: Help a Mac newbie
« Reply #2 on: April 30, 2012, 03:59:09 pm »
Your best option for Quicken is to install a Windows emulator - like Parallels of VMWare Fusion - and run your Quicken in the Windows environment.  Otherwise, search Mac forums for "Mac Quicken" to find much abuse of Intuit for letting the Mac version fall into such disrepair, and a multitude of alternatives.  The problem is, Quicken for Windows is pretty damn good, and everything else is second class.

FYI, either application will clone your old PC - apps, files and all - so that it exists as an app on your Mac.  You can boot these emulators into a window on the Mac, so I'm not talking about a dual-boot option (which is another possibility, just really inconvenient).  You can even drag and drop files between the two environments, and when you go to open a Windows-only file, the Windows...erm...window will boot automatically and open the file in the appropriate app.

Any printer will be fine - just go to System Preferences (the sliver cogs icon) and add a printer.  This is the kind of stuff where Mac OS X beats - or at least used to beat - Windows hands down.

As you have a MacBook, I suggest getting to grips with the multitouch gesture commands it allows.  I was wary, but bought a touchpad for my iMac anyway and cannot stand to use a mouse now.

Spaces is very cool - especially on a laptop with limited screen real estate.  You can set up multiple screens and easily (using multitouch) drag and drop apps onto the different screens.  You can then quickly view all screens to decide where you want to go, swipe from screen to screen, click an icon in the dock to jump straight there and even designate which apps open on which screens.

Keyboard and mouse/pad instructions are enacted upon the window over which the cursor sits.  You do not have to click on a window to make it active before you can work in it.
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Re: Help a Mac newbie
« Reply #3 on: April 30, 2012, 04:12:15 pm »
Basically, just start trying stuff ... one day of frustration, two of confusion, 3-4 more of "this might eventually work" and suddenly you can't live without it.  I tried to use someone's PC at work today and almost destroyed both the PC and it's owner.

I have Windows 7 on my work laptop, and cannot believe that MS still lets 8-year olds design their interfaces.  Windows Explorer is still retarded, although they have now put back a favourites option which I last saw in Windows 95 (IIRC).  It doesn't care where the mouse is, you still have to click a window before it becomes active (which is annoying when working on multiple screens.  Why can't I have multiple, separate, windows in the same app?  It's always been true of Word, but everything else in Office (and beyond) "nests"*.  It still tugs your trouser leg like a kid every time it does something.  Oh, and what the fuck happened to the list of recent files under the start button?  Ca they not take a step forward without multiple steps backwards?

* I have figured out a workaround on this, but it's a lot less satisfying than being able to have two, full screen windows open in the same program on different screens.  Apparently, no one who uses Excel ever has to look at two live spreadsheets at the same time!
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« Reply #4 on: April 30, 2012, 04:18:08 pm »
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Can they not take a step forward without multiple steps backwards?


That would require them to know the difference.  Movement is Progress!
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« Reply #5 on: April 30, 2012, 04:30:07 pm »
I think I mentioned it before on this site, but there is an 'Ease of Use Option' in Windows 7 that allows windows to be selected by hovering over them.

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« Reply #6 on: April 30, 2012, 04:34:45 pm »
I think I mentioned it before on this site, but there is an 'Ease of Use Option' in Windows 7 that allows windows to be selected by hovering over them.
So ... The default setting is "hard to use"?  Figures.
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« Reply #7 on: April 30, 2012, 04:36:39 pm »
So ... The default setting is "hard to use"?  Figures.

Also, there is an option for turning the 'Recent Items' back on in the start menu.

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« Reply #8 on: April 30, 2012, 04:45:14 pm »
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« Reply #9 on: April 30, 2012, 05:41:25 pm »
Your best option for Quicken is to install a Windows emulator - like Parallels of VMWare Fusion - and run your Quicken in the Windows environment.  Otherwise, search Mac forums for "Mac Quicken" to find much abuse of Intuit for letting the Mac version fall into such disrepair, and a multitude of alternatives.  The problem is, Quicken for Windows is pretty damn good, and everything else is second class.

FYI, either application will clone your old PC - apps, files and all - so that it exists as an app on your Mac.  You can boot these emulators into a window on the Mac, so I'm not talking about a dual-boot option (which is another possibility, just really inconvenient).  You can even drag and drop files between the two environments, and when you go to open a Windows-only file, the Windows...erm...window will boot automatically and open the file in the appropriate app.

No need to pay for Parallels or Fusion.  VirtualBox is free and works pretty damn well.  I use it all the time at home and work.  You can also use a free program called Disk2VHD to clone your old computer's hard disk into a virtual hard disk for use in VirtualBox.  Unfortunately, VirtualBox does not have drag-and-drop file transfer like VMware does (there are ways to work around it using Shared Folders) but for the price tag I don't miss it.

I have Windows 7 on my work laptop, and cannot believe that MS still lets 8-year olds design their interfaces.

A lot of what I am about to quote from your post largely boils down strictly to user preference, but here we go:

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It doesn't care where the mouse is, you still have to click a window before it becomes active (which is annoying when working on multiple screens.

You are the first person I have ever personally heard of that wants this behavior.  Having windows automatically change focus based on where my mouse is would really screw me up (again, boils down to personal preference) and would be an absolute nightmare for pretty much all of the users I support.  But, as someone mentioned, that is an "accessibility" feature that can be turned on.

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Why can't I have multiple, separate, windows in the same app?  It's always been true of Word, but everything else in Office (and beyond) "nests"*.

Not sure what you're referring to here.  All Office apps since at least Office 2003 (except Outlook) are capable of opening separate instances for each document, and in fact that is (and has been for quite some time) the default behavior.  Windows Explorer has supported multiple instances since Windows 95.  For other programs I believe it is up to the developer to provide support for that, and most do.

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Oh, and what the fuck happened to the list of recent files under the start button?

Disabled by default in Windows 7 in order to steer people toward using Jump Lists for most recently used programs (which actually works much better, IMO), but enabling the "Recent Items" list is just a few clicks away.  Microsoft makes decisions on stuff like this based on usage statistics, so sometimes there is method to their madness.  If you're in the extreme minority on a particular feature then that's just tough shit, but as with this feature in the vast majority of cases you can get old functionality back.

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Ca they not take a step forward without multiple steps backwards?

Windows 7 is the best Windows OS Microsoft has released to date.  A lot of the stuff that you don't like about it is strictly personal preference, and in actuality it probably wouldn't annoy you as much if you took five seconds to Google how to set it up the way you want it.  Remember, right or wrong, Windows' default behavior very much caters to the lowest common denominator - non-geek home users and business users that DGAF.  All of the tools are there to appease the power users like you and me, though.

You'll get no argument from me about Windows 8 though.  What a disaster.
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« Reply #10 on: April 30, 2012, 05:50:54 pm »
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Not sure what you're referring to here.  All Office apps since at least Office 2003 (except Outlook) are capable of opening separate instances for each document, and in fact that is (and has been for quite some time) the default behavior.  Windows Explorer has supported multiple instances since Windows 95.  For other programs I believe it is up to the developer to provide support for that, and most do.

I have to use legacy power points to create newer, up to date power points and that means having multiple instances of Office Power point at the ready. I used Office 2007 and I am on Windows 7 and it works beautifully. If ever they decided to disallow multiple instances or windows of the office products, I would stop using them stat. Hasn't been the case though.

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« Reply #11 on: April 30, 2012, 05:51:03 pm »
Also, there is an option for turning the 'Recent Items' back on in the start menu.

I've done that.  It gives recently used files for MS Office applications pinned to the stat menu - not all recently used files.
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« Reply #12 on: April 30, 2012, 10:36:59 pm »
I've done that.  It gives recently used files for MS Office applications pinned to the stat menu - not all recently used files.

Mine keeps my list of latest MatLab scripts on it, so it does work with other software.

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« Reply #13 on: April 30, 2012, 11:36:22 pm »
Mine keeps my list of latest MatLab scripts on it, so it does work with other software.

Yep, my list has a PDF, a PSD, and two RARs.

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« Reply #14 on: May 01, 2012, 08:17:50 am »
OK, I've used PC ever since the days of DOS.  But Mrs. MM and I have just purchased our first MacBook Pro 13", which will become the family computer.

So here's what I need to know:

3.  Generally - what do I need to know to use all these fancy Apple features I've heard will change my life?

Generally, neither platform is better or worse, they just go about the same things a bit differently.  As described above, the learning curve plays itself out in around a week.  Try to not put your fist thru the screen in that frustrating first few days.  The most niticeable difference between the two systems is that the Mac is quite a bit more expensive so that maneuvre has a much larger penalty on your new system.

First thing I'd do is enable right-clicking on your mouse and trackpad.  Stupid Mac default is not set up that way.  Go to the Apple logo top right, select system preferences then click and configure each device.  Next, if you don't have OS Lion, get it, if only for full screen capability for various apps and browsers.  Apple only just now decided that this might be useful. If you don't have it OS Lion, at least download Google Chrome as your browser since it has the capability natively regardless of the OS.  Don't forget that when you "close" a program with the little red close button, it's not really closed.  It's just minimized down on the task bar.  Do that enough and the system starts to bog down.  You'll know which apps are open and which are links to spawn the app by a little glowing dot to the right of the app icon on the task bar.  Right click it to actually kill the application.  If you have an external monitor connected via Thundbolt or MagSafe, prepare to be underwhelmed.  While it drives the monitor well re: resolution and speed, it does a horrible job interfacing power states so, more often than not, when the laptop or monitor go into hibernate, things get all honked up and you'll have to futz around to get it working again (detach cable, hard reboot, etc...)  I hear Apple is working the issue but that has been the case for two years now.  Beware poorly coded apps.  Just because the packaging is slick in the app store, crappy apps kill a Mac just as much as they do a Wintel system.  Hard reboot is holding down the power button for 5+ seconds.  When I think of more stuff, I'll post it.
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« Reply #15 on: May 01, 2012, 09:29:16 am »
I agree with das on all points.  Except...I rarely, if ever, use full screen.  My Mac is a 27" iMac, so there is a lot of desktop to play with, but it's truly opposite for me using Mac and PC.  On my PC, even with 2 screens, I have everything full screen.  On my Mac, I am very happy - actually prefer - to have windows dotted all over the place as was intended by the original GUI interface.

One thing it took a while to get used to is that the application menu bar stays attached to the top of the screen, not the top of the window.  After a few days though, it ceased to be an issue.  Right click (two-finger tap on a trackpad) helps with this, and works exactly the same as on a PC in that is calls up a shortcut menu for the application you right-clicked on.

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« Reply #16 on: May 01, 2012, 11:00:30 am »
I agree with das on all points.  Except...I rarely, if ever, use full screen.  My Mac is a 27" iMac, so there is a lot of desktop to play with, but it's truly opposite for me using Mac and PC.  On my PC, even with 2 screens, I have everything full screen.  On my Mac, I am very happy - actually prefer - to have windows dotted all over the place as was intended by the original GUI interface.

This is why I love my 27" iMac as well. As a digital artist I can have Illustrator open and the Astros game on next to it without having dual screens.  I was going to set up dual screens but found that I probably don't need it.

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« Reply #17 on: May 01, 2012, 11:24:15 am »
This is why I love my 27" iMac as well. As a digital artist I can have Illustrator open and the Astros game on next to it without having dual screens.  I was going to set up dual screens but found that I probably don't need it.

I can do this on my PC laptop. The game is a window among all of my other tools and palette windows
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« Reply #18 on: May 01, 2012, 11:26:06 am »
You guys remind me of my son... everything is on a window and he can have upwards of five things going on at the same time. Movie, game, chat, browser, and application(s). Drives me nuts to go try and use the desktop when he takes a break! He now wants an Alienware laptop because he needs *more* processing power. *yeesh*

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« Reply #19 on: May 01, 2012, 11:26:31 am »
I can do this on my PC laptop. The game is a window among all of my other tools and palette windows

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« Reply #20 on: May 01, 2012, 11:35:49 am »
I can do this on my PC laptop. The game is a window among all of my other tools and palette windows

Holy shit! You can watch TV on your computer?
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« Reply #21 on: May 01, 2012, 12:00:55 pm »
Holy shit! You can watch TV on your computer?

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« Reply #22 on: May 01, 2012, 12:01:48 pm »
I've pretty much swung from the PC camp to Macs over the last few years, but one Mac difference still bugs me -- maybe someone here can point out a setting or something I've missed?

Let's say you've got 5 windows open: Two different windows of your browser, two different Excel files, and iTunes. On a PC (at least, the last time I had one), if you alt-tabbed between windows, it would cycle 1) browser window A; 2) browser window B; 3) Excel file A; 4) Excel file B; 5) iTunes. But on a Mac, it doesn't let you apple-tab between windows -- just programs. So apple-tabbing will take you to 1) browser; 2) Excel; 3) iTunes.

I know there's a different keystroke for tabbing between windows in an app, but I really appreciated the all-in-one functionality of just tabbing from window to window, whether it was within a program or between programs. Is there a setting I can change on the Mac to do that, or am I stuck?
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« Reply #23 on: May 01, 2012, 12:34:03 pm »
While we're asking about Mac stuff...

I have a Mac Mini in our entertainment center at home, and I have a Logitech wireless keyboard/touchpad combo connected to it.  They don't always play well with each other and it's sometimes confusing for me to remember which key on the keyboard (Ctrl/Alt/Windows) corresponds to which Apple key (Control/Option/Apple).  Is it possible to manually assign or re-map keystrokes in the operating system?

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« Reply #24 on: May 01, 2012, 02:45:21 pm »
Thanks Waldo.  I appreciate the info (seriously):

You are the first person I have ever personally heard of that wants this behavior.  Having windows automatically change focus based on where my mouse is would really screw me up (again, boils down to personal preference) and would be an absolute nightmare for pretty much all of the users I support.  But, as someone mentioned, that is an "accessibility" feature that can be turned on.

I like not having to click on a window before scrolling in it because, for example, many websites (e.g. Facebook) are so rife with hot links that you have to find a clean spot to click before you can scroll.


Not sure what you're referring to here.  All Office apps since at least Office 2003 (except Outlook) are capable of opening separate instances for each document, and in fact that is (and has been for quite some time) the default behavior.  Windows Explorer has supported multiple instances since Windows 95.  For other programs I believe it is up to the developer to provide support for that, and most do.

Under Windows Whateveritwasbefore7, I could force it to open a second, separate window in Excel and PowerPoint.  Windows 7 automatically combines them and I haven't found out how to stop this happening.  To get two full screen windows, I restore down the one window, stretch it across both screens, cascade the two files I have open and then fit them one each to a screen.  I have shared this with many people in my office, all of whom had the same problem.  Word inherently allows you to split windows for multiple documents - none of the other Office apps does.  It's bizarre.


Disabled by default in Windows 7 in order to steer people toward using Jump Lists for most recently used programs (which actually works much better, IMO), but enabling the "Recent Items" list is just a few clicks away.  Microsoft makes decisions on stuff like this based on usage statistics, so sometimes there is method to their madness.  If you're in the extreme minority on a particular feature then that's just tough shit, but as with this feature in the vast majority of cases you can get old functionality back.

I have enabled recent items.  I get them for Office apps and nothing else.


Windows 7 is the best Windows OS Microsoft has released to date.  A lot of the stuff that you don't like about it is strictly personal preference, and in actuality it probably wouldn't annoy you as much if you took five seconds to Google how to set it up the way you want it.  Remember, right or wrong, Windows' default behavior very much caters to the lowest common denominator - non-geek home users and business users that DGAF.  All of the tools are there to appease the power users like you and me, though.

Didn't even know there was an 8.  As for 7, it's got the subtlety and colour scheme of a Fisher Price toy.  I know I can tweak the colours, but it doesn't change the fact that it's ugly.
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« Reply #25 on: May 02, 2012, 10:45:23 pm »
Under Windows Whateveritwasbefore7, I could force it to open a second, separate window in Excel and PowerPoint.  Windows 7 automatically combines them and I haven't found out how to stop this happening.  To get two full screen windows, I restore down the one window, stretch it across both screens, cascade the two files I have open and then fit them one each to a screen.  I have shared this with many people in my office, all of whom had the same problem.  Word inherently allows you to split windows for multiple documents - none of the other Office apps does.  It's bizarre.

You know what?  I've never noticed this before, but you're actually right.  I just tried it with Excel and got one window with two taskbar buttons.

This Microsoft forum post talks about it.  Apparently Microsoft has been gradually converting its programs from a native multiple-document interface to a native single-document interface throughout the years and Excel is one of the stragglers.  Something about Office 2010 and/or Windows 7 must be making it act this way.  To work around this, you can start a new instance of Excel (right-click taskbar button then click Microsoft Excel 2010) and THEN open your document from the File tab.

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Didn't even know there was an 8.

Comes out later this year.  I'll be avoiding it.

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As for 7, it's got the subtlety and colour scheme of a Fisher Price toy.  I know I can tweak the colours, but it doesn't change the fact that it's ugly.

Ehh... it's an improvement over XP.

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« Reply #26 on: May 03, 2012, 10:20:09 am »
To work around this, you can start a new instance of Excel (right-click taskbar button then click Microsoft Excel 2010) and THEN open your document from the File tab.

Excellent!  Thanks.


Ehh... it's an improvement over XP.

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« Reply #27 on: May 03, 2012, 10:48:22 am »
Damning with feint praise?

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« Reply #28 on: May 03, 2012, 03:24:38 pm »
Damning with feint praise?

Doubt it.  XP was an absolute workhorse that was the technical backbone of worldwide commerce, process and development for business and home at the user interface level for almost a decade.  It had its problems, as did and do all (relatively) early workstation OS's but is a great example of an iterative design that largely met the needs of the rapidly changing landscape it found itself in.
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« Reply #29 on: May 04, 2012, 03:07:51 pm »
Doubt it.  XP was an absolute workhorse that was the technical backbone of worldwide commerce, process and development for business and home at the user interface level for almost a decade.  It had its problems, as did and do all (relatively) early workstation OS's but is a great example of an iterative design that largely met the needs of the rapidly changing landscape it found itself in.

You're not as much fun as irrational hatred.

And XP was perfectly fine, after Service Pack 2 was released.  The problem is that it probably shouldn't have been released in its initial state.

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« Reply #30 on: May 04, 2012, 03:24:10 pm »
You're not as much fun as irrational hatred.

And XP was perfectly fine, after Service Pack 2 was released.  The problem is that it probably shouldn't have been released in its initial state.

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« Reply #31 on: May 04, 2012, 03:30:46 pm »
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« Reply #32 on: May 04, 2012, 03:36:39 pm »
"No better beta testers than the masses." -Bill Gates

Those are "features".

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« Reply #33 on: May 04, 2012, 03:46:17 pm »
Those are "features".

A product manager of a very popular business software once told me this in a private meeting: "If we ever waited for software to be perfect, we'd never release anything!" The problem with Microsoft products (and I have absolutely no reason to support, condone, or defend Microsoft one iota) is it was a nightmare for software product releases because of it's own marketing genius. IOW - Microsoft did what every software does in it's release patterns, but they were so damn good at marketing and getting so many people to jump on board (business moreso than consumer) that the voice of dissent was louder not because it was worse... but because it was more voices than usual.

If you're a business that wants to succeed, you take this business model in a hearbeat and run all the way to bank with it. Software Development and Business Marketing do not have to work hand in glove in order to succeed and do well by clients. Those who dilute themselves into thinking software development is always going to be a pristine delivery every time is drinking some sort of utopic kool-aid.

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« Reply #34 on: May 04, 2012, 08:30:16 pm »
I always give Microsoft a hard time because their software often pisses me off (some of the intentional decisions they make are infuriating). But when I look at Windows from my software developer point of view, it's actually an incredible piece of work: I don't think there's ever been a product with more exacting backward-compatibility requirements, and for the most part they make it work, including (at least for a long time) PoS DOS that poke bytes into magic locations, etc. Incredible.
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« Reply #35 on: May 05, 2012, 01:23:17 am »
You're not as much fun as irrational hatred.

And XP was perfectly fine, after Service Pack 2 was released.  The problem is that it probably shouldn't have been released in its initial state.

XP was generally fine even before SP2 was released.  I started using it before SP1 and I don't recall anything that made me regret installing it.  Then again, I was a freshman at UT at the time so I was not yet using it in a work environment.

Vista pre-SP1/SP2 was pretty rough.

See, everyWindowsReleaseEver

Windows 7 has been pretty damn solid even since the public beta days.  If there is one Microsoft consumer OS that does not follow the old "wait for the service pack" adage, it's W7.

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« Reply #36 on: May 09, 2012, 10:21:02 am »
I've pretty much swung from the PC camp to Macs over the last few years, but one Mac difference still bugs me -- maybe someone here can point out a setting or something I've missed?

Let's say you've got 5 windows open: Two different windows of your browser, two different Excel files, and iTunes. On a PC (at least, the last time I had one), if you alt-tabbed between windows, it would cycle 1) browser window A; 2) browser window B; 3) Excel file A; 4) Excel file B; 5) iTunes. But on a Mac, it doesn't let you apple-tab between windows -- just programs. So apple-tabbing will take you to 1) browser; 2) Excel; 3) iTunes.

I know there's a different keystroke for tabbing between windows in an app, but I really appreciated the all-in-one functionality of just tabbing from window to window, whether it was within a program or between programs. Is there a setting I can change on the Mac to do that, or am I stuck?

To cycle through windows in the active application, you use command-backtick (right above tab). To cycle through all windows, use control-F4 (occasionally, some applications may override this shortcut, which is irritating). If you want to change or add any shortcuts – or just see what shortcuts exist – go to System Preferences > Keyboard.
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« Reply #37 on: May 09, 2012, 10:24:23 am »
While we're asking about Mac stuff...

I have a Mac Mini in our entertainment center at home, and I have a Logitech wireless keyboard/touchpad combo connected to it.  They don't always play well with each other and it's sometimes confusing for me to remember which key on the keyboard (Ctrl/Alt/Windows) corresponds to which Apple key (Control/Option/Apple).  Is it possible to manually assign or re-map keystrokes in the operating system?

Go to System Preferences > Keyboard, and look for the Modifier Keys button. That'll let you remap caps lock, control, option and command keys on a per-keyboard basis.
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« Reply #38 on: May 09, 2012, 10:29:14 am »
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« Reply #39 on: May 09, 2012, 10:50:51 am »
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« Reply #40 on: May 10, 2012, 08:50:07 am »
To cycle through windows in the active application, you use command-backtick (right above tab). To cycle through all windows, use control-F4 (occasionally, some applications may override this shortcut, which is irritating). If you want to change or add any shortcuts – or just see what shortcuts exist – go to System Preferences > Keyboard.

Thanks -- that was exactly what I was looking for! Now, however, I'm running into difficulty changing the shortcut for that (ctrl-F4 is an awkward keystroke). I see that it says to double-click on that command, then press the new keys. But when I try that, it either beeps at me (like a "you can't do that" sound) or does nothing. What am I doing wrong?
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« Reply #41 on: May 10, 2012, 01:30:23 pm »
Thanks -- that was exactly what I was looking for! Now, however, I'm running into difficulty changing the shortcut for that (ctrl-F4 is an awkward keystroke). I see that it says to double-click on that command, then press the new keys. But when I try that, it either beeps at me (like a "you can't do that" sound) or does nothing. What am I doing wrong?

You're probably double-clicking on the name of the shortcut (which is logical). What you need to do is double-click on the actual key combination on the right (the ^F4). It'll change to an editable field, and you can enter your new shortcut. If you choose one that's already taken, both shortcuts will have a yellow warning sign next to them, and you'll need to change one of them to something unique.
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« Reply #42 on: May 10, 2012, 04:06:37 pm »
You're probably double-clicking on the name of the shortcut (which is logical). What you need to do is double-click on the actual key combination on the right (the ^F4). It'll change to an editable field, and you can enter your new shortcut. If you choose one that's already taken, both shortcuts will have a yellow warning sign next to them, and you'll need to change one of them to something unique.

That was it -- thanks!
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