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Puma willing to waive his no trade?
« on: May 06, 2010, 03:06:59 pm »
Possibly.  MLBTR post citing Solomon article.
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Re: Puma willing to waive his no trade?
« Reply #1 on: May 06, 2010, 03:10:43 pm »
He wasn't the first domino I expected.
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Re: Puma willing to waive his no trade?
« Reply #2 on: May 06, 2010, 03:14:13 pm »
I ain't rushing him out the door, but I totally agree with his comments.  Except that the Astros cannot avoid "baseball purgatory", seeing as they are already in it up to their nuts.
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Re: Puma willing to waive his no trade?
« Reply #3 on: May 06, 2010, 03:19:08 pm »
Quote from: MusicMan on May 06, 2010, 03:10:43 pm
He wasn't the first domino I expected.

According to talk radio in NYC, Oswalt is still about to be traded to the Mets. 
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Re: Puma willing to waive his no trade?
« Reply #4 on: May 06, 2010, 03:19:24 pm »
I read Solomon's article earlier.  It smelled of JdJO.

But in the likely event I'm missing something, please help me understand.  Here's the scenario, as I understand: Some contending team is going to trade for Berkman, and the Astros will listen because they are out of contention.  

I have to assume this is predicated on Berkman hitting like the Berkman of past seasons?  But if Berkman were to start hitting like his old self, along with Lee and Pence doing likewise, wouldn't the Astros likely be in contention.  Hell,they don't even have to be in contention. Drayton does not rebuild, period.  

Not knocking the link or MLBTR.  I just don't see how any of this makes sense.  They sure as hell aren't trading Berkman the way he's playing now.  To me, this is Solomon trying to stir the pot.
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Re: Puma willing to waive his no trade?
« Reply #5 on: May 06, 2010, 03:21:58 pm »
He's got a good idea.  Except.  That option is a club option.  Wherever he's dealt could exercise it.  Then he's stuck there for another year.  On the other hand if not, he could resign here and never miss a beat.  The Astros don't have a 1b waiting in the wings anyway.

Thinking about trades past, I would think 1/2 a season of Berkman for a contender with the understanding that they won't exercise the option should bring the Astros 1 or 2 high quality prospects but not really more.
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Re: Puma willing to waive his no trade?
« Reply #6 on: May 06, 2010, 03:23:16 pm »
Quote from: Jacksonian on May 06, 2010, 03:21:58 pm
He's got a good idea.  Except.  That option is a club option.  Wherever he's dealt could exercise it.  Then he's stuck there for another year.  On the other hand if not, he could resign here and never miss a beat. 

That can all be negotiated in the trade.
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Re: Puma willing to waive his no trade?
« Reply #7 on: May 06, 2010, 03:24:23 pm »
Quote from: Bench on May 06, 2010, 03:19:08 pm
According to talk radio in NYC, Oswalt is still about to be traded to the Mets. 

Generalissimo Franco is still dead.
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Re: Puma willing to waive his no trade?
« Reply #8 on: May 06, 2010, 03:25:47 pm »
Quote from: S.P. Rodriguez on May 06, 2010, 03:19:24 pm
But if Berkman were to start hitting like his old self, along with Lee and Pence doing likewise, wouldn't the Astros likely be in contention.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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Re: Puma willing to waive his no trade?
« Reply #9 on: May 06, 2010, 03:29:14 pm »
Quote from: S.P. Rodriguez on May 06, 2010, 03:19:24 pm
I read Solomon's article earlier.  It smelled of JdJO.

But in the likely event I'm missing something, please help me understand.  Here's the scenario, as I understand: Some contending team is going to trade for Berkman, and the Astros will listen because they are out of contention.  

I have to assume this is predicated on Berkman hitting like the Berkman of past seasons?  But if Berkman were to start hitting like his old self, along with Lee and Pence doing likewise, wouldn't the Astros likely be in contention.  Hell,they don't even have to be in contention. Drayton does not rebuild, period.  

Not knocking the link or MLBTR.  I just don't see how any of this makes sense.  They sure as hell aren't trading Berkman the way he's playing now.  To me, this is Solomon trying to stir the pot.

Which Pence old self? 08, .269 with 124 K's?
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Re: Puma willing to waive his no trade?
« Reply #10 on: May 06, 2010, 03:31:00 pm »
Quote from: Jacksonian on May 06, 2010, 03:21:58 pm
He's got a good idea.  Except.  That option is a club option.  Wherever he's dealt could exercise it.  Then he's stuck there for another year.  On the other hand if not, he could resign here and never miss a beat.  The Astros don't have a 1b waiting in the wings anyway.

I believe that, as a veteran in the midst of a contract (and you don't know how old it makes me feel to refer to Twinks as a verteran), he becomes a free agent at the end of the season if traded, club option or no.

Also, Carlos Lee has the physique of a first baseman...
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Re: Puma willing to waive his no trade?
« Reply #11 on: May 06, 2010, 03:36:39 pm »
Quote from: Limey on May 06, 2010, 03:31:00 pm

Also, Carlos Lee has the physique of a first baseman Greg Luzinski...

FIFY
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Re: Puma willing to waive his no trade?
« Reply #12 on: May 06, 2010, 03:38:40 pm »
Quote from: Limey on May 06, 2010, 03:31:00 pm
I believe that, as a veteran in the midst of a contract (and you don't know how old it makes me feel to refer to Twinks as a verteran), he becomes a free agent at the end of the season if traded, club option or no.

I believe this was removed in the last CBA.

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Re: Puma willing to waive his no trade?
« Reply #13 on: May 06, 2010, 03:39:55 pm »
Quote from: Limey on May 06, 2010, 03:31:00 pm
Also, Carlos Lee has the physique of a first baseman...

I like the guy, but he can barely jump. You think he can stretch?
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Re: Puma willing to waive his no trade?
« Reply #14 on: May 06, 2010, 03:43:14 pm »
Quote from: Limey on May 06, 2010, 03:31:00 pm
I believe that, as a veteran in the midst of a contract (and you don't know how old it makes me feel to refer to Twinks as a verteran), he becomes a free agent at the end of the season if traded, club option or no.

Last I recall on the matter, people were talking about Tejada having the ability to opt out of his contract after '08. I don't know if the rules have changed since then, but I imagine it'd be the same type of situation.
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Re: Puma willing to waive his no trade?
« Reply #15 on: May 06, 2010, 03:44:40 pm »
Quote from: moriartp on May 06, 2010, 03:43:14 pm
Last I recall on the matter, people were talking about Tejada having the ability to opt out of his contract after '08. I don't know if the rules have changed since then, but I imagine it'd be the same type of situation.

I think it's one of the MLBPA's inviolate rules.
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Re: Puma willing to waive his no trade?
« Reply #16 on: May 06, 2010, 04:16:38 pm »
Quote from: moriartp on May 06, 2010, 03:43:14 pm
Last I recall on the matter, people were talking about Tejada having the ability to opt out of his contract after '08. I don't know if the rules have changed since then, but I imagine it'd be the same type of situation.

If a player has five or more years of service, and is traded in the middle of a contract, he can demand a trade from the team he was traded to.  If the new teams does not trade him, he can elect free agency.
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Re: Puma willing to waive his no trade?
« Reply #17 on: May 06, 2010, 07:28:40 pm »
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« Reply #18 on: May 06, 2010, 07:41:19 pm »
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Re: Puma willing to waive his no trade?
« Reply #19 on: May 06, 2010, 07:45:46 pm »
Quote from: Ty in Tampa on May 06, 2010, 07:41:19 pm
Good to know he's not "pulling the plug on this team yet."

He may not be ready to pull the plug, but one of his mates is "ready to go home."
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Re: Puma willing to waive his no trade?
« Reply #20 on: May 07, 2010, 11:16:50 am »
Lance hits the nail on the head re last four Astros seasons: “If you're running a team, you don't want to get caught in baseball purgatory — where you're not really getting young and you're not really (competing). Where you're in this deal where every year you're signing a marginal veteran and you just never get in the mix.”
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